You have to be careful with this.
Like I mentioned before I don't want to get jumped by a handful of chickens with different specials.
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Like I mentioned before I don't want to get jumped by a handful of chickens with different specials.
You wouldn't. They wouldn't get any specials without leveling up. I mean just base pets. Like when you tame a chicken it's always a 1 slot. When you tame a drake it's always a 2 slot, etc. Otherwise you're just punished for taming a stronger pet.
I see nothing in here regarding the completion of publish 81,
Updated Publish 81 Notes – Ultima Online
Please can you either confirm or deny you will be adding the missing armour bonuses from publish 81 before releasing publish 97.
Updated Publish 81 Notes – Ultima Online
Please can you either confirm or deny you will be adding the missing armour bonuses from publish 81 before releasing publish 97.
Why does this need to be fixed? Do you really think someone is going to complain if a Sampire goes to Doom riding a Lesser Hiryu? If its a PvP issue then FIX it over there and stop Putting the 5% PvP crowd ahead of the PvM players.
look at you complaining about "Pvp nerfs" to something that's not even on live shards yet....
some people just don't understand the concept of balancing...
Was it Lady Mel or the stygian dragon that complained that it would be unbalanced? Tell me, when have the devs or anyone used the term balancing in regards to pvm?look at you complaining about "Pvp nerfs" to something that's not even on live shards yet....
some people just don't understand the concept of balancing...
Oh for Christs sake (see what I did there) give it a rest.
A trained one, yeah maybe. Sampires shouldn't get and don't need a powerful pet for free. Easy with the anti-pvp obsession dude.
Frequently. It should be balanced. This whole pet update is an attempt to balance pets effectiveness vs other templates, as its been lagging for years. No one template should be obviously superior to all the rest, pvp or pvm.
True but let's be honest how often is pvm balanced? Guess the answer to that is; how long has the sampire build existed? Pvp on the other hand is constantly being adjusted. I don't necessarily agree that a lesser hiyru should be allowed to be transfered fully trained to a none tamer. I do however contend that a lot of devs resources are indeed dedicated to a much smaller (some contend very small) group of players when it comes to pvp.
I completely agree, look in a mirror and you will see that person. PvP balance has nothing to do with PvM balance. Separate the two and balance PvP all you want. PvM has different issues for balance. If our mobs are too easy they just give them more HP and resists. Or they make a dungeon that only a certain template can succeed at. PvP already uses different templates and different gear. Let the Devs give you different pet abilities over in Fel and let Tram tamers have some fun.look at you complaining about "Pvp nerfs" to something that's not even on live shards yet....
some people just don't understand the concept of balancing...
How long would that pet last against a tough mob? How are they going to heal and res it? Answer: They cant!
I'm not anti PvP. Play in the red lands all you want. But leave the your balances over there. I am pro PvM. The reason the game has lasted so long.
I think they do a ton of pvm balancing and a ton more of pvm directed development. Sampires have existed for a good while, but you must remember they have been nerfed a ton of times as well, because they were really overpowered. They really aren't so much any more.
Yeah my misunderstanding then, I thought we were discussing pet slots based only on pet type.
Where's CFC when you need them?
They tank, as usual, and the pet is extra dps, free onslaught, armor corruption, etc, etc... :/
I mean, it happens, you just have to accept it. It's not two games, bleed over goes both ways.
Get on test and you'll know how long they last...
You seem to think Balancing is not important in pvm....
The reason Leveled Lesser Hiryus should Not be usable by non-tamers is because they make Dexers even more effective without the need of skills that made these pets strong in the first place.
Like, Do you even know why tamers want a pet-revamp in the first place?
Just initial slots. They should slot up with training as it is now.
Yep, gotcha now.
It would be pretty damn funny though to get steam rolled by some chickens though...
How does a regular Dragon that has been leveled up to 5 slots compare to a Greater Dragon?
Tamer mages also get to damage mobs and use their pet. That has never been an issue in PvM.
I like your question. Is this the answer? Like, is it because they want weaker pets that only one template can use?
I'm glad you fell into that perfectly..I like your question. Is this the answer? Like, is it because they want weaker pets that only one template can use?
The Answer is to "Balance" the game between Pvm templates more than it is now.
With that being said...
ok, ive been mucking around and maybe i missed it..... so we can not do anything with Greater Dragons at all.
we cant go in enter them into the 'training mode' and we cant 'imbue them' to fix lopsided resists or anything at all?
so Greater Dragons really have nothing to do with this pet revamp.
im i correct in saying that or am i missing something?
we cant go in enter them into the 'training mode' and we cant 'imbue them' to fix lopsided resists or anything at all?
so Greater Dragons really have nothing to do with this pet revamp.
im i correct in saying that or am i missing something?
another question.
i had a fully trained Cu that i copied over with my tamer.
i put it into 'training mode' and it went from a 4 slot pet to a 3 slot pet.
now im done training it and i went into the 'pet imbuing' and i used up all the points and now its a 4 slot pet.
am i now done with this pet?
it can go no higher?
cause i see the 'train pet' button is once again there and i hit it again and now im back into training mode again.
so does this mean i can train him up to 100% again and get another shot at points and will that then put him to a 5 slot pet????
i had a fully trained Cu that i copied over with my tamer.
i put it into 'training mode' and it went from a 4 slot pet to a 3 slot pet.
now im done training it and i went into the 'pet imbuing' and i used up all the points and now its a 4 slot pet.
am i now done with this pet?
it can go no higher?
cause i see the 'train pet' button is once again there and i hit it again and now im back into training mode again.
so does this mean i can train him up to 100% again and get another shot at points and will that then put him to a 5 slot pet????
3rd thing, am i the only one that is highly underwhelmed with the regen rate on pets?
i maxed out my Cu on regens, silly me thinking they where the same as ours.
but they must not be because i hit him (im a archer) and i dont really see the HPR doing anything.
i maxed out my Cu on regens, silly me thinking they where the same as ours.
but they must not be because i hit him (im a archer) and i dont really see the HPR doing anything.
Good question! We'll have to wait a bit I think to test that kind of stuff out.
Yup. GD's are supposed to still be overall best... but somehow I really doubt that will be the case. I feel like (of old pets Bake's are going to be the new uber pet. Highest base damage of any 2 slot by a wide margin, second highest HP of any 2 slot next to raptors, and already have good resists and magery. Add in 3 levels of boosts...
Tsuki wolves may also be pretty studly if you can find one with 200 dex, since you can't get past 150 with training. Highest of any potential 5 slot I believe, of monsters we know.
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If publish goes through as is (which odds are it will not) greater dragons will be history. I'll take a rune beetle with 3 resists at 80 and poison in the mid 90's (Really why do I even need to waste points in cold resist anyway). That plus 700 HP's and 1500 mana AND special moves ANNNNND the ability to currupt armor/level 5 poison. There is simply no comparison. Either the pet abilities have to come WAY down or the greater dragon has to be buffed in some way in order to avoid making the greater dragons obsolete.
Giant Beetles & Fire Beetles will be the best over-all pets if the revamp goes live as is.
Mountable pets, with ~700 HP, 500 mana, & 24-33 base damage (same as a greater dragon), instead of "dragons breath" it'll have "rune corruption" (but you can choose not to have it...(no one would))
70s/80s in all resists and um, all of this at 2-3 followers each (2) pets. Yea no one will be using a Greater Dragon, when you could essentially have two of them.
Mountable pets, with ~700 HP, 500 mana, & 24-33 base damage (same as a greater dragon), instead of "dragons breath" it'll have "rune corruption" (but you can choose not to have it...(no one would))
70s/80s in all resists and um, all of this at 2-3 followers each (2) pets. Yea no one will be using a Greater Dragon, when you could essentially have two of them.
Should see my 700 hp nightmare 80s all resist (except cold). 1500 mana, pyro ability, and mortal. Takes down AW's with ease and its untrained in combat. Oh yeah and it's mountable of course
. Mind you this is an untrained nightmare with no skill trainings. Imagine this thing maxed out.
Wrong. I've already soloed Ancient Wyrms, Baracoon and The Great Ape with a lesser Hiryu tanking, do research and test before you speak. You can't just come on Stratics and claim knowledge contrary to what you "believe" with that said..I don't think there needs t be a change.
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I believe it.Should see my 700 hp nightmare 80s all resist (except cold). 1500 mana, pyro ability, and mortal. Takes down AW's with ease and its untrained in combat. Oh yeah and it's mountable of course
Giant Beetles, Fire Beetles, & Lesser Hiryus. all dropped from 3/5 down to 1/5 follower slots between live shards and TC1.
I asked Bleak over gen-chat yesterday about this but, He either didn't have an answer, or I missed what his answer was.
I'm not sure if many/any other pets were reduced in follower counts or not... but Hell hounds seem to always be 2/5 (pre-trained) , they use to be 1/5 (as currently on live shards).
IMO, if you're looking for a single pet to use all the time, anything that can level 1 => 5 will be the "best" all-around. I don't think that is what the devs are aiming for.
I was hoping for this same thing, tired of riding a big old ugly clumsy swamp dragon but stuck to it cause of the damage absorb. Mesanna obviously didn't comprehend the question or didn't listen carefully enough. I'd love to have a choice with the same damage absorb feature but I suppose I know what will be said, they'd have to redraw the pets with the armor on them and that's too much work.
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Seems it'd be pretty much just a rehue for the pet, no need to redraw them.
Just a thought; what if there was a small % chance for any tameable creature to spawn with an uncapped slot-maximum? So say dogs and chickens normally spawn as 1 slot, with a max of 2. But keep searching long enough, and you can find that rare one with a 5 slot maximum. That would seem that it could inject just enough variation into the system to avoid literally *everyone* running around with GDs/Beetles/whatever the otherwise "top" pet type ends up being. Who wouldn't want to be taking down GDs with their trained 5-slot Rabbit of Caerbannog?
I have a feeling these numbers will get toned down quite a bit, but yeah. Even with worse stats just one of some of the abilities will make trained pets easily superior.
Wouldn't this be exactly what PvP'ers want and complain about?
If you see a player and his dog in Fel.....no longer are you just gonna jump in with you key roll attack.
No, now you will have to guess what their set up is and take a chance, you may win and you may lose but it will be back to skill and how quickly you can react to their "random" attack style.
I think it could have possibilities.....
I'd imagine everyone has their own opinion, but one dog is not the same as multiple pets attacking, so I think you've missed the point.
I have discovered that if you use all your points on stats, skills and resists, without adding any special abilities etc, you don't go into the 'advanced training'. You don't get a bar, or messages, or power hour, you just revert back to normal 'pet training' to fill up any power scrolls you added.
What I haven't really worked out yet is the purpose of those lists of creatures.
What I haven't really worked out yet is the purpose of those lists of creatures.
Greater dragons being history as top pet would be great, my gargoyle tamer could actually have a stable with more than one type of pet...
I managed to unlock "acrane pyromancy". My pet now cast something interesting and throwing sculls with candles on ground. 
How did you do it? If I may ask. I never had enough points to "get" it.I managed to unlock "acrane pyromancy". My pet now cast something interesting and throwing sculls with candles on ground.
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I managed to unlock "acrane pyromancy". My pet now cast something interesting and throwing sculls with candles on ground.
Once you done training and upgrades to final 5 slots (do not do any magic abilities or special moves!) and used all points, use pet training gate one more time to get 5k+ points
Its called conduit, its in the necromancy mastery for players.I managed to unlock "acrane pyromancy". My pet now cast something interesting and throwing sculls with candles on ground.