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Festival Was Total Crap *bit of a rant*
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^^^^ that is very true.. So the question to the devs is what points is the system actually using? If it's the turn in points for doing BoDs then we can easily calculate how many points we turn in individually and which ones we should be turning in.. Like I know higher end colored iron bods are worth more than let's say high end alchemy bods (even the large achy bods).
Or does the system allocate certain number of points for smalls and certain number for larges? Are large iron bods the same as large Verite bods?
Please clarify the usable point system. Thanks!
Or does the system allocate certain number of points for smalls and certain number for larges? Are large iron bods the same as large Verite bods?
Please clarify the usable point system. Thanks!
Then Kyronix says it's the quality not the quantity so who knows?
@Kyronix Does the tree use the Banked Points system or does it use the total points listed on the BOD
Size does matter...
GREAT question! @Kyronix any help?
The points listed on the BOD are a good measure of the value of the a BOD (including bonuses for exceptional/large). The amount of entries you get into the reward raffle are based on a fraction of these values (to keep things neater behind the scenes).
There are two values listed on each bod. A value for turning in and collecting a reward now and a value for "banking" points. I believe players want to know which of the two values is being used. The "use now" value, or the "banking" value?
As I said in the previous post, the points listed on the BOD are a good measure of the value of a BOD. The banked point value is a function of the immediate turnin value, so the two numbers are intrinsically linked to the inherent value of the BOD as far as the the growth of the tree is concerned. For example, a small alchemy BOD for 20 greater conflag potions is worth a small advance towards the growth of the tree and yields so many entries whereas a large blacksmithy BOD for exceptional valorite platemail is worth much more towards the growth of the tree and more entries to the raffle for the person who turns that in.
It's a fairly straightforward formula, the higher the value of the BOD (either as represented by the turnin or banked points) the greater the advance in tree growth and the more entries into the raffle you get.
@Kyronix But I think here is the "dilemma".
As an example:
Say you have a 5 part large bod that filled is worth 250 turn in points, or 50 bank points. The small bods to fill it might be worth a total of 300 turn in points individually, but only 6 banked points. So it would be really nice to know which value is being used.
To sum it up:
Which is better, small bods with higher total "turn in" points, or large bods with higher "banked" value.
LBODS =/= the cumulative points of their components.
Take the best Tinkering LBOD there is: 20 Exceptional Valorite Dining Set = 1200 points. BUT that LBOD is made up of six small BODs worth 800 points each = 4800 points.
This is where the disconnect lies. Logically, turning in those six SBods, netting 4800 points, should exceed the growth from the LBOD by a factor of 4. So "quality > quantity" is confusing at best.
So.... A chain mail large bod of normal quality agapite of 20 pieces is worth 800 turn in points... And the individual pieces to fill that bod are worth 500 points each... Those 3 pieces are worth 1500 points respectively. That means it's better to fill the small bods then to fill high end large bods?? I hope I am understanding this correctly.
Also a large cooking bod of 20 pieces for the pan of cookies, cake, muffins, and a three tier cake is only worth 375 points.. So my one small chain mail bod is even a better turn in than a large cooking bod.
If all this is true with how the system works, then we should choose wisely on which bods we turn in.
Also a large cooking bod of 20 pieces for the pan of cookies, cake, muffins, and a three tier cake is only worth 375 points.. So my one small chain mail bod is even a better turn in than a large cooking bod.
If all this is true with how the system works, then we should choose wisely on which bods we turn in.
So would those fractions be like I don't know lets say %2 for a SBOD and %20 of a LBOD. I have the sneaking suspicion that they are using the Bank Point system with the Tree/Gift because that is already in place.
Here is a perfect example of the disconnect between the players and the Devs.
Clearly it is straight forward
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My head hurts...
This is a perfect example of how NOT to scale BOD points!
Does the number of raffles determine how many items a player can get in one gift?
If everyone only gets one then the system seems redundant since the reward is random.
So one raffle = one random reward?
Or many raffles = one random reward?
Or many raffles = multiple random rewards?
Thanks.
If everyone only gets one then the system seems redundant since the reward is random.
So one raffle = one random reward?
Or many raffles = one random reward?
Or many raffles = multiple random rewards?
Thanks.
one item per char. if tree is full/done can still turn in bods during the 3 day period and all get a gift. if not full, the formula goes into affect, not all get reward. raffle type/loto so some wont get. the forth day u click on bag and get reward or not. I think if u don't click on bag the forth day u don't get gift. it goes away to new town, so get your gift. true kronix? important to know or u have pissed off people lol.
ONE gift per character. PERIOD. Regardless how many BODs they turned in.
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There is a little catch..in order for EVERYONE to get a gift..the tree HAS to be at stage 5..in order to get the tree to stage 5, you have to turn in 25614586158616 BODS first.....
So that's your incentive
LMAO I love this guy LOL
Yes.
@Kyronix so can we assume y'all are using the banked value and not the point value????
It really doesn't matter if you fill the tree.
A bod of any value is equivalent to 700 etc large high end bods in this scenario.
Pi. It's all about a squared Pi.
or 42, maybe it's 42
or 42, maybe it's 42
Just turn in those junk small dull copper bods. Turning in valorite plate deeds is just dumb. I mean, who DIDN'T think they were reusing the bod point system for this???
FFS stop badgering Kyronix. The devs are under ridiculous time constraints to get some of these systems in place, and while we all probably agree (even the devs) that they aren't always designed the best way - they don't have the luxury of time and/or hindsight in order to implement every little feature in the best way possible. This festival is most likely throw away code that may or may not ever get used again. And honestly, it works sufficiently well considering they probably only spent 2-3 days developing it.
FFS stop badgering Kyronix. The devs are under ridiculous time constraints to get some of these systems in place, and while we all probably agree (even the devs) that they aren't always designed the best way - they don't have the luxury of time and/or hindsight in order to implement every little feature in the best way possible. This festival is most likely throw away code that may or may not ever get used again. And honestly, it works sufficiently well considering they probably only spent 2-3 days developing it.
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Well...I've turned in well over 100 BOD's..all smalls, all exp DC and higher worth banked points anywhere from 8.0 - 13.5
Still haven't hit lvl 1 tree....
Thank you to all who have helped me try to achieve this goal but I am sorry to say I am not wasting any more of my time or resources.
Still haven't hit lvl 1 tree....
Thank you to all who have helped me try to achieve this goal but I am sorry to say I am not wasting any more of my time or resources.
Can we micromanage this a little more?!?! It's obvious which bods are worth more. Stopped splitting hairs and whining!! Sweet Fancy Moses!!!!
Then tell me, because it is NOT obvious to me. I see some insinuations, and some possibilities. But nothing that says this is what we are using.
Kindly look again at what Lord Frodo and Kyronix had to say just a bit above here ...
Lord Frodo said: "So would those fractions be like I don't know lets say %2 for a SBOD and %20 of a LBOD. I have the sneaking suspicion that they are using the Bank Point system with the Tree/Gift because that is already in place."
Kyronix replied: "Yes."
See the bold, red part that I highlighted? Frodo made an educated guess and Kyronix replied to the affirmative. To me that means the banked value is what is being used on the tree/gift thingy. That's how I read that whole two posts. Simple.
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Thanks for the response. Right, I saw that right away. When I read it seemed more like @Kyronix was just trying to confuse the issue a bit, and I wasn't completely sure. I'm still not sure which part he was agreeing with. Why not just say "Congrats, yes we are using the banked value". Anyway, in my opinion, it is rapidly tumbling down my list of enjoyable things to do in UO. So it is a moot point. Yet another thing that could have been really nice, but is turning into a Charlie Foxtrot!
Go back and read Kyronix' post that Lord Frodo was referring to. It could be that Kyronix is agreeing with the percentages, with regard to the amount of entries you get into the "raffle". Not the method by which points are calculated.
Those %s are the Bank Point System %s and why would he flat out say YES if all of it is not true. He may not tell us flat out how it works but he has been known in the past to confirm when someone is right.
Gotcha. There is just some doubt in my mind.
But it is academic at this point. Like others, I think I am tired of messing with it.Either way they are scaled the same if you take face value or banked value
50/1 is 50/1
So if , for example, the tree needs 50,000 face value or 1,000 bank value to max out the bird r still worth the same to the elf either way
50/1 is 50/1
So if , for example, the tree needs 50,000 face value or 1,000 bank value to max out the bird r still worth the same to the elf either way
Bird = BOD
And unlike some folks in this thread, I didn't even bother. First my time ingame is pretty limited, second I can't see getting my blood pressure raised that high ... and last of all, I have better odds of getting that Val Plate Gorget I need to complete the plate LBOD I have.
Not true. If they are banked points you use LBODs. If turn in points, perhaps large, perhaps small, depending.
You sir are the winner!! FYI, my blood pressure is fine, but I would like to know. Before I bother with any more of my BODs LOL Good luck getting the gorget!
which shard
@Lord Frodo ... LA which is my main one. I have puny characters on other shards but LA is home.
After completing several hundred bod's that I had collecting dust, I now remember why they were collecting dust for many years. It's very tedious and boring, and yeah no one is forcing me to do this. But I like helping my shard to get at least one fully grown tree with a star on it. My time is limited and I work in real life. The bar for achieving these goals should be lowered on most of the shards. The very players who support this game who love to contribute to new content are being turned off by this unrealistic expectations that we can achieve the final stag. I recommend that on xmas day all shards should have a fully grown tree on there shards. The event will be almost concluded at that point, and what better way to end it!
Sorry for the rant, I feel better now
Sorry for the rant, I feel better now
I felt this rose to the level of effort necessary to bother putting this together - hehe
Ode to Keith ...
I feel and do exactly as Riply do. This is my last try and I sacrifice all sorts of Bods and materials .And loads of time. Its now or never. Its so hard no way ill ever do this again. Im not alone on the shard doing this at all but we are at stage small tree. So far I have turned in smith carp and bow BODs for 24720 pts. I still have filled not turned in bods and more to come. After this im going to be drained of materials for a very long time so this is it. Thanks Riply for all you have done I hope we can make it but it doesnt look promising .