Note to Garth and Frodo:
To address the edit, for pvp I see most chiv templates using parry.
Eh, I guess man but you don't really kill people by just spamming weaken.
AGAIN I am a paying customer of EA/BS/UO and have every right to say what I think no matter what you think. Just because YOU do not like my answers really means very little to me. I am letting the DEVs know what I think and why this is even being discussed. Do you tell people that do not pay to play UO that support your ideas that because they no longer PvP that their opinion does not matter, no you do not because they support you and your ideas. And what I offer is something I and a few others are tired of all this PvP crying NERF this NERF that and no one telling the DEVs we pay for this game too and our voice holds just as much weight as the PvPers. Sorry you do not agree but you know UO does not revolve just around the few PvPers that like to cry the loudest around here.
I only actively started posting about PVP issues around January of this year.
For some reason you think chiv chars only offense is holy fist. It is easily paired with so many other skills because it is not tied to another skill (such as necro or magery).
As I read this I was imagining Elijah Wood wearing a worn out, dirty winter coat in Mid-August being forcibly removed from a McDonald's for urinating on the counter and screaming about people ruining his PvM. 'I am a paying customer dammit...'
The only way you'll kill a 4/6 chiv 1v1 is if their internet goes/client crash. I've tried it more than once, and everything I do is just pointless since they cast so fast. They can't kill me either though, even with Fist, so it's a wash. If their mana pools weren't so ridiculous, it'd be simple to just run them out of mana.
And your point is worthless. Piss and moan all you want and throw insults along with it matters very little to me. You try your bully tactics in game and here on the boards to no affect but that is ok we understand.
Chivalry's only offensive spells are holyfist (Mastery) & holy light (chivalry). I never said they couldn't be combined with other skills. (I was hoping someone would bring that up)
1) Karma isn't a real requirement.
Not quite true. I believe it ultimately has no bearing on Remove Curse and Cleanse by Fire, but it does affect how much Close Wounds heals for.
Ok I'm seriously not trying to diminish the point of the thread, or be a troll, but do I have this right ? Once the allmighty mage is again on top of the PvP heap, will it then be "balanced" ? Or is this literally about a simple win/loss record of equal proportions ? What is balanced ? The person with the fastest ping should always win every fight regardless of template ? Is that balanced ? Help me understand this balance, because I just don't.
It's a requirement, I understand it's very easily maintained (also takes no skill investment). but Necromancy works the same way with negative karma (to a similar, but lesser extent)
One offensive Mastery spell warrants a 33-50% speed reduction in one defensive Chivalry spell. not necessary, Holy-fist isn't that hard to live through
Necromancy can cause you to run out of mana if you use it correctly, the main reason I never liked to incorporate suits into the argument is because suits as a whole have gotten better for every template, not just chivalry.
a Mage stacking debuffs? Those debuffs being Poison & Curse. both of which are removed by two different spells.
QFT
I'm dying here. I really enjoy necro, but not sure which you are talking about. I do like Exorcism when my miner gets attacked by someone who doesn't see my 2 skeletal dragons with me
The thing with Paith is, when he pvp's, he only does so in a group, and the only role he has is to be the guy that casts curse/keeps the target cursed. The dexers he's with do all the damage, but I haven't seen them that often lately. I'm not sure if they're playing other shards (I do know they primarily played Atl), other games, or just not playing since they can't abuse Mortal like they used to. He's likely attempting to "balance" Chivalry so that he/his group can kill people again. Unfortunately, group vs single target is not how you balance pvp.
The OP has even admitted himself that he has never been killed by a Chiv char even before the Holy Fist nerf.
This is a case where his ego backfires and works against him in his arguement. -referring to the OP.
My argument has to do with how fast it is cast and how many curses the spell can remove.
Your argument involved (not limited to) necromancy being worthless because of remove curse. I said it's not, pointed out viable counters, along with counters other spell-schools offer.
He can't kill them and they can't kill him is what I get from it. Therefore Chiv is over powered. Over powered to me would be if the Chiv guy was steam rolling him but by his own admission that is not the case. The Chiv template can simply hold its own and escape or stand and fight to a draw. Since there are multiple ways to get around chiv at 4/6 I am just not seeing the problem, other than he does not want to adapt or can't figure out how to counter chiv.
Well it seems u somehow know what you speak about and even more did some Kind of testing.
Blood Oath is irrelevant & has been for years. Pinco's UI has a script that AUTO-TOGGLES players out of war mode when hit by Blood Oath.
Umm.. i posted that curse bug should be fixed and I am the one that made an LMC bugged character thread that got it fixed. lol.Covenant, what I find HILARIOUS is that Paithan etc were abusing curse bugs, lmc bugged chars and everything possible. Do you see them asking to get these bugs removed? no....
They complain about things that are ridicolous ( in this case a spell of year 2003 ), just because they CANNOT insta kill someone so they need more advantages to their own templates, ie he plays with 4-5 archers with suits worth billions shooting mortal and ais at 1.25 speed....
I find it funny tbh , also a bit pathetic but still....
I am very far from a competent PvP but am very competent in evading and escaping and run Chiv and resist for the very purpose of being HARD TO KILL This is nothing new, I have pretty much been running those on my fel farmers and Siege farmers since Age of Stuff. Why because it is a effective counter to most PvP templates in particular spamming mages. Granted the mana and MR on suits has allowed me to drop intelligence back to 40 and put dex up to 100 and str at 120 and have the same mana pool. The point is I am no more over powered on my Chiv Resist miner, LJ, macer, tactics hiding and jeweled up stealth character than I was 10 years ago. I just swing a little faster knocking the els and hide critters down.. and capping HCI/DCI is a lot easier but again something every other template does or can do. Now I could add taming and lore and transfer a dread and still would only be on the low end of competitive in PvP. I think the real problem here is more people are using the Chiv template to greater effect and some of the PvPs either don't want to or can't figure out the Paladins weakness, and yes we have several that very few PvPs/Pks bother to use. we are actually very easy to keep disrupted, but you just are not going to score high hitting insta kills on us. As a PvM fel ruleset player I am there to farm and build the best template to retain what I have farmed and that means a highly defensive character with the ability to hide/invis pot/ smoke bomb and stealth away with the goods. Not get rolled and looted and yes I run 4/6 and there are certain PvPs that make my escapes very difficult and the majority I wonder why they provide no challenge at all to me escaping when it is so easy to do. What this thread really comes down to is someone wants to spam 3-5 second kills and hit a brick wall with the paladin template and can't or won't adapt to be effective against it. None of this is new, the only thing new is more people using the paladin template and hybrids of it since Holy Fist came out.
From what I could comprehend from your post... i never said removing a curse should be longer than the curse. I said it should be the same cast as the faster curses (curse, oath, corpse) etc.
This had nothing to do with remove curse and how fast it is compared to the curses out there. Thanks.
Then why is a large part of your argument based on exactly that?
Again nothing to do with how fast remove curse is vs the curses it takes off and the amount it takes off.
My argument is simple.