at the time, when locked down or whatever, you couldnt recall out of em, couldnt use a charge out of em, use the spell out of em, just a total mess that no one can figure how it got sent out live
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for classic client users they are awkward for an efficient pack arrangement (too big and bulky) i also think the colorations look "messy" and distracting, but the main reason i wouldnt use them is the size. they also face the wrong direction, adding to the awkwardness (they can be turned, but you need a house, and is just another frustration to mess with)
also for a time they just didnt work functionally, but i think thats been fixed.
I'm fairly indifferent personally since I only have one character, and she can't gate, so I just run/portal everywhere... but I have to echo this sentiment. They change something that no one seems to have ever had any concerns about seemingly at random, and then when people are outraged they just say "deal with it". I really don't get it.
Rune libraries are a really neat and unique feature of this game, a neat way for the community to interact, and this change really hurts them. Is this art change really so worth it?
Because at first you couldn't recall with them if you didn't have magery... even if they had charges it wouldn't use them.... second in the EC you couldn't read the locations at all... too light.... now all those things are "fixed" ... they hold 40 runes I believe...
Anyway I like them now that I can see the locations... I cleared out the 25+ runebooks from my pack and condensed them down to 6.... totally awesome now.
Thank you for the responses, Smoot and MalagAste and Uriah.
PVP and PVM are not the only aspects of the game.
Coming from you JC, I'm surprised you say such.
Insofar as my play style when I log in with the thinkpad - tending vendors, crafting items, decorating houses, and helping new ppl is the rule. I log onto my spiffy-Alienware box for hunting, running dungeons, grabbing arse in Yew and IDOC sitting.
*edited because there is no such thing as "play style" for me. playing UO is just that... PLAYING UO.
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+1 for thinkpads yaay
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Atlases actually don't take much more space - it seems like only a few extra pixels, though I've not actually checked. The catch is, you have to rotate them first, so they face the same as all other books/runebooks.
Actually a huge part of the population has returned to the 80s styles. Just because something is new does make it good or better
You young whippersnappers!!!Yep.its called AARP
That is an attitude I find all to often among those who are so busy knowing everything that they cannot be bothered to learn anything.Yep.its called AARP
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lolYep.its called AARP
Actually a huge part of the population has returned to the 80s styles. Just because something is new does make it good or better
You should expect that attitude when your first post I quoted was wrong. So do you see your mistake? I fixed it for you down below. I always learn something new everyday. I wouldn't be where I am and successful today in my personal and professional life.
Actually a huge part of the population has returned to the 80s styles. Just because something is new doesn't make it good or better
So is this another straw on the camels back?
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Do you know why the Thinkpad line was named "Thinkpad"?
Publish 93 Notes: Fire Dungeon has been renamed Ice Dungeon 2.
I will say this much about the new runebooks yes they look better when they are the only thing in your back pack and there is only one. That being said when the functional aspect is lost and replaced with better looks...... It is a net loss. I will take a ugly person that is highly functional over a perfect model that has limited function.
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Now the question is, when they revert, will they go back to the color they were before or will all default to brown.From the Newsletter! Thank you!
3. Will you revert the old runebook art?
Yes we will revert the old runebooks.
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I think they'll get their old color back.
The color itself is just a thin and somewhat transparent layer of paint on the surface of the book.
They only changed the "canvas", so to speak. They made it darker and made the ankh, pages and corners undyeable, which makes the color appear darker and thus less distinguishable.
That is how I think it works, I could be wrong though.
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Maybe if they'd stop making half the game no recall...
Agreed if I wanted to walk every place I would play RuneScapeMaybe if they'd stop making half the game no recall...
I want to keep mine too.
While I've gone back and forth about this, the devs ultimately did the right thing by weighing community feedback. However, now that they're doing this, maybe they could consider one of my earlier suggestions above (in bold orange). It's obvious that a portion of the player base is still getting punished by this majority-approved revert, which will sit no better with me if there's a solution in the middle somewhere. Even if a small part of me feels like some of the "You'll get over it" comments above might deserve a taste of their own unsympathetic attitude.
I remember the day when City of Heroes' (rest in peace) devs got burned by that community's reaction to a costume editor update. They figured out how to incorporate reflective metallic textures onto metal costume pieces, which seemed awesome--and it was! But, after pushing the update through, hundreds of characters' costumes looked really funky and wrong because--uh oh--they hadn't been designed by players around the idea of reflective metal! Imagine going to the hardware store and buying wallpaper and spending a few days wallpapering your house...only to later find it had been altered and Customer Support's response was "You'll get over it." Well, many of CoH's players spent quite a bit of time working on their costumes. Presumably that's what the studio wanted when it spent millions developing that costume editor; so, it's a misnomer--and unsympathetic--to call it ingratitude when a player complains that all their hard work has been altered, whether it's on a costume or a house. Presumably, developers would want subscribers to feel secure in their creations.
CoH's devs actually responded by promising to provide future updates to existing costume content as optional additions, not changes, and the community was pleased. (And they stuck to that promise!)
UO decorative options are off-the-charts wonderful. And the thing is, I don't want Broadsword's takeaway from this to be that plants and things like that shouldn't receive touchups because of the reaction to the rune books. I never said I didn't like the new rune books--but to be fair, I never said I didn't like the old ones, either; especially the faded colored books, which I personally favor.
UO's community is really extraordinarily bad at expressing feedback constructively, that'll never change. But, knowing that, I hope the team at Broadsword will take the high road, see through the petty extremes, and take away the right message.
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Well they will catch flack about reverting.
But ya know, I have little sympathy for them, this is another case of fixing stuff that aint broke...and this team is entirely too small to just be doing busy work, sheeeesh.
They poked this hornets nest, this is a mess of their own making. There was never thread after thread of people going "OMG runebooks look just awful, wish they could be changed!!!!!!!!11
This time coulda been spent fixing turnin points to be shardwide, like gold.
Or spent assigning points to BoDs making it a turnin like system, so they would all be useful.
Or spent reprogramming BoD books to function locked down like the SoT books do.
Or if they just absolutely wanted to play with the crayons....make plants NOT be all one color...a bright red plant with green stems and leaves, etc.
But yeah, they shot their own selves in the foot on this one, they just have to take the heat either way it goes
But ya know, I have little sympathy for them, this is another case of fixing stuff that aint broke...and this team is entirely too small to just be doing busy work, sheeeesh.
They poked this hornets nest, this is a mess of their own making. There was never thread after thread of people going "OMG runebooks look just awful, wish they could be changed!!!!!!!!11
This time coulda been spent fixing turnin points to be shardwide, like gold.
Or spent assigning points to BoDs making it a turnin like system, so they would all be useful.
Or spent reprogramming BoD books to function locked down like the SoT books do.
Or if they just absolutely wanted to play with the crayons....make plants NOT be all one color...a bright red plant with green stems and leaves, etc.
But yeah, they shot their own selves in the foot on this one, they just have to take the heat either way it goes
Well, whatever, but just so long as they remember:
Don't ever assume that everybody is just going to fall over themselves to thank Broadsword for "fixing" the plants. I guarantee you, many houses rely on color schemes that have incorporated those so-called "broken", all-green plants.
In the span of just one post, you did exactly what you're grilling Broadsword for doing, and clean forgot what got this trouble started in the first place. But it's alright because no one gets anywhere without shooting themselves in the foot every once in a while, right?
It's all about perspective.
Edit: Now, if you meant that they should make new, additional touched-up plants, well alright then; but if the rune books are any indication, we really should be specific about additional content as opposed to altered, preexisting content after this!
See how I turned your words around there?
Don't ever assume that everybody is just going to fall over themselves to thank Broadsword for "fixing" the plants. I guarantee you, many houses rely on color schemes that have incorporated those so-called "broken", all-green plants.
In the span of just one post, you did exactly what you're grilling Broadsword for doing, and clean forgot what got this trouble started in the first place. But it's alright because no one gets anywhere without shooting themselves in the foot every once in a while, right?
It's all about perspective.
Edit: Now, if you meant that they should make new, additional touched-up plants, well alright then; but if the rune books are any indication, we really should be specific about additional content as opposed to altered, preexisting content after this!
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A little discussion with a cross section of active players would go a long way to preventing things like this Rune Book mess. And no they are never going to make everyone happy, the trick in business is to make more people happy than you whizz off. Sometimes you whizz a lot of people off all at once, and as in the case of Rune Books you know pretty quickly that you really messed up. The best thing to do is take a slice of the humble pie and make it right. The bigger issue here as Uriah points out is fixing something that NO ONE considered to be broken. Which would tell me if I were the boss that my employees are either very out of touch with the customer base or have way too much time on their hands.
Hannes, what you missed the point on, is that there have been threads after threads and requests made in the past to make plants right. But NEVER did I see (maybe I just missed it) anyone griping about the way runebooks looked...
But anyway, I'm done with the discussion, and done with worrying about any of it. Gonna play for a bit longer, take it as it comes-be it spaceships from Asteroids or giant worms from Tremors-and just not give a damn.
But anyway, I'm done with the discussion, and done with worrying about any of it. Gonna play for a bit longer, take it as it comes-be it spaceships from Asteroids or giant worms from Tremors-and just not give a damn.
i totally 2nd the plant thing! i refuse to use those gawd awful abortions called colored plants....they look tacky as hell.... like people wanted to do their house in home interior but all they could afford was dollar tree...all 1 color plastic plants......looks like trailer park gone wrong.........and u people who think ur houses look good with those 1 hued eye sores ...they dont, i hate to break that to ya but they look awful....
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I'll third the plants. While they're at it, I'd love a tool to let me toggle the pot off or on on all the non-growable plants. Those pots generally are terrible, and ruin otherwise good graphics.
Oh, I'm not saying I'm a fan of them; I'd love to see a new improved version too. But I'm really not the one who's missed the point. Because the point is, congratulations, now you know what it feels like to sit in the producer's chair, and decide that you know what's best for everybody because you weren't looking past your own preferences and tastes, or the tastes of either a majority or minority of subscribers (because it really doesn't matter, when you could have made the new content optional to avoid punishing a single player with either the majority or minority's preferences after it was you who developed the so-called bad art in the first place).
So while we may coincidentally share the same opinion with regard to the plants, I don't wish to join the high and mighty club with you in suggesting that our tastes need be ram-rodded down every last subscriber's throat, because a) that would make me a hypocrite within the context of this thread I'm posting in, and b) if the plants weren't up to snuff, then any changes should have been addressed in the weeks following their release, not in the following months or especially years. That is a phenomenally bad design decision in this genre, even worse than producing the ugly plants in the first place. This isn't a single-player game, and yours and my tastes don't exist in a vacuum. As a producer, you'd have a responsibility to recognize that in a sandbox built for hundreds of thousands of people, once you've put decorative content out there for a while, it is out there, and one of the most pig-headed things you can do is decide later on that it's up to you to, essentially, to walk into hundreds or thousands of players houses without their consent and alter their furniture or wallpaper or what-have-you in order to "fix" it for them. This is a unique problem for shared multiplayer environments where the players have a hand in creating those environments. So, no, I think that it's you who's missed not just the point, but the real lesson behind this thread.
If you're that confident in your tastes, then ask for new, better-looking plants to be put into the game alongside the old ones, as additions, and watch and see how many players throw their old ones out in relief (heck, watch the old ones become valuable rares). I'm sure it will be many in this case--maybe even most--but that doesn't mean that I will ever see another player's lawn or furniture or decorative preferences as mine to "fix". If they didn't want people to decorate their homes with ugly plants, then they shouldn't have made ugly plants. Now they're in the world, and obliterating such decorations for the sake of improvement, in the case of MMO sandboxes, will almost always have the unintended consequence of eroding subscribers' confidence in the permanence of their creations.
So while we may coincidentally share the same opinion with regard to the plants, I don't wish to join the high and mighty club with you in suggesting that our tastes need be ram-rodded down every last subscriber's throat, because a) that would make me a hypocrite within the context of this thread I'm posting in, and b) if the plants weren't up to snuff, then any changes should have been addressed in the weeks following their release, not in the following months or especially years. That is a phenomenally bad design decision in this genre, even worse than producing the ugly plants in the first place. This isn't a single-player game, and yours and my tastes don't exist in a vacuum. As a producer, you'd have a responsibility to recognize that in a sandbox built for hundreds of thousands of people, once you've put decorative content out there for a while, it is out there, and one of the most pig-headed things you can do is decide later on that it's up to you to, essentially, to walk into hundreds or thousands of players houses without their consent and alter their furniture or wallpaper or what-have-you in order to "fix" it for them. This is a unique problem for shared multiplayer environments where the players have a hand in creating those environments. So, no, I think that it's you who's missed not just the point, but the real lesson behind this thread.
If you're that confident in your tastes, then ask for new, better-looking plants to be put into the game alongside the old ones, as additions, and watch and see how many players throw their old ones out in relief (heck, watch the old ones become valuable rares). I'm sure it will be many in this case--maybe even most--but that doesn't mean that I will ever see another player's lawn or furniture or decorative preferences as mine to "fix". If they didn't want people to decorate their homes with ugly plants, then they shouldn't have made ugly plants. Now they're in the world, and obliterating such decorations for the sake of improvement, in the case of MMO sandboxes, will almost always have the unintended consequence of eroding subscribers' confidence in the permanence of their creations.
The flag changed because the underlying item it represented changed. Nothing about runebooks changed to require a color change. Logic fail on your part.
My guess would be a lot......... Now If they would just get on with the revert so I can put my runes back in Rune Books instead of dyed bags.Haha all that time dumped into this only to revert it now. I wonder how many emails it took until she finally gave way
Just dye all your books brown with your runebook dye tub.
I happen to like the gold ankh's and accents and the pages to not be dyed... Personally I still think things that are "dipped in paint" look like crap.
Why not use the Runic Atlas instead of the Runebook? I've replaced all my runebooks already
I replaced some of mine... though I find the Atlas nice in some cases... It takes a VERY long time to sort all the runes into a logical order for the Atlas.
Yeah I wish there was a way of sorting the runes without having to take them out and put them back in the book
I think we all do.