This just gets deeper and deeper, LOL.
There is currently a player on pac saying in gen chat that the devs announced that they would be holding a ballot box vote at the April 4th meet and greet to keep the change or revert it.
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There is currently a player on pac saying in gen chat that the devs announced that they would be holding a ballot box vote at the April 4th meet and greet to keep the change or revert it.
I've no idea where he got that info and I told him I thought he was full of BS.
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can i ask what the rationality was for this change? it seems that overall the change did not promote any kind of progress, but rather further frustration and disillusionment with the games direction as a whole.
perhaps im missing something.
Could we have another type of runebook that at least look like the old ones. id be fine with the new ones, as long as i dont personally have to look at them in my pack. i find them distracting and awkard to effectively use.
maybe the devs were worried they would be short on questions for the next 12 months of meet and greets?
can i ask what the rationality was for this change? it seems that overall the change did not promote any kind of progress, but rather further frustration and disillusionment with the games direction as a whole.
perhaps im missing something.
Could we have another type of runebook that at least look like the old ones. id be fine with the new ones, as long as i dont personally have to look at them in my pack. i find them distracting and awkard to effectively use.
maybe the devs were worried they would be short on questions for the next 12 months of meet and greets?
agreed. another decision made in a vacuum.
Pretty sure that she'd just say that the next one who asked they were booting them... and if that was all that you all were going to ask about they were leaving. She's set her mind. Get over it.... I still like it.
all this because someone on the dev team wanted the classic runebooks to look like the new atlases? what kind of reasoning is that. blah
i had a beautifully displayed set of neon colored runebooks. they are so butt ugly now. i hate the change.
I would agree with that sentiment if everyone had access to them, but the neon books were the result of a dye tub exploit. I like the new changes in some ways but prefer the old school look.
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From the 3/21 Dev Meet and Greet on Sakura (full transcript here):
Mesanna: Greetings
EM Asiantam: about RB
EM Asiantam: simple question
EM Asiantam: why did you change their colors?
Mesanna: the issue was to enhance the art ankh and the outer edgings like the newer books
Mesanna: to make them when you dye then they are the same hues as the newer runebooks
Mesanna: it was not to cause isses with the older books
EM Asiantam: she is saying that she used to sort RB by colors
EM Asiantam: like
Mesanna: I get that
EM Asiantam: for Dull she added town runes
EM Asiantam: but
EM Asiantam: as you can see
EM Asiantam: they are now
Mesanna: and we all understand the old colors do not match the new ones
EM Asiantam: very hard to identofy
EM Asiantam: identify
Mesanna: you can dye those books
Mesanna: they will just be a different hue than the older ones
EM Asiantam: she is saying
EM Asiantam: this is worse in Classic
EM Asiantam: than EC
EM Asiantam: can you look into it?
EM Asiantam: so her question is
EM Asiantam: can you revert for Classic
EM Asiantam: not EC
Mesanna: we can look at the hues to see if they line up but we are not removing the art change
EM Asiantam: thank you
EM Asiantam:
Mesanna: most welcome
Mesanna: Greetings
EM Asiantam: about RB
EM Asiantam: simple question
EM Asiantam: why did you change their colors?
Mesanna: the issue was to enhance the art ankh and the outer edgings like the newer books
Mesanna: to make them when you dye then they are the same hues as the newer runebooks
Mesanna: it was not to cause isses with the older books
EM Asiantam: she is saying that she used to sort RB by colors
EM Asiantam: like
Mesanna: I get that
EM Asiantam: for Dull she added town runes
EM Asiantam: but
EM Asiantam: as you can see
EM Asiantam: they are now
Mesanna: and we all understand the old colors do not match the new ones
EM Asiantam: very hard to identofy
EM Asiantam: identify
Mesanna: you can dye those books
Mesanna: they will just be a different hue than the older ones
EM Asiantam: she is saying
EM Asiantam: this is worse in Classic
EM Asiantam: than EC
EM Asiantam: can you look into it?
EM Asiantam: so her question is
EM Asiantam: can you revert for Classic
EM Asiantam: not EC
Mesanna: we can look at the hues to see if they line up but we are not removing the art change
EM Asiantam: thank you
EM Asiantam:
Mesanna: most welcome
Guess it would not be to awfully of an expensive boot since ive closed 36 of my accounts and there are only 12 left to go.
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Dear @Mesanna ,
Whether the new colors match the old ones, is not the issue.
The problem is, that the base color has become much darker. This causes the colors to become darker and thus harder to distinquish from eachother.
When stacked between benches, where you only can see a tiny fraction of the book, of which the yellow corners dominate, it's even harder.
Just take a look at my library.
So I suggest (read, beg you) that you make the base color exactly like it was, before the changes.
You can keep the book corners, even though runebooks actually don't have them.
The ankh, on the other hand, should be toned down a bit, so it doesn't look exactly like an unmarked rune.
I have made this little mock-up to illustrate what I mean. The two blue books to the right, are the same book before and after the changes. The two to the left are undyed.
The two books in the middle, show how I imagine they could look.
Yours sincerely
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That made no sense.
Whether the new colors match the old ones, is not the issue.
The problem is, that the base color has become much darker. This causes the colors to become darker and thus harder to distinquish from eachother.
When stacked between benches, where you only can see a tiny fraction of the book, of which the yellow corners dominate, it's even harder.
Just take a look at my library.
So I suggest (read, beg you) that you make the base color exactly like it was, before the changes.
You can keep the book corners, even though runebooks actually don't have them.
The ankh, on the other hand, should be toned down a bit, so it doesn't look exactly like an unmarked rune.
I have made this little mock-up to illustrate what I mean. The two blue books to the right, are the same book before and after the changes. The two to the left are undyed.
The two books in the middle, show how I imagine they could look.
Yours sincerely
Piotr
Before you were saying there was no color change. Now you are saying it doesn't look like an unmarked rune when it clearly does.
Someone make an image with a rune on top of a runebook.
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19... unless of course one or more is UNDER your runebooks... or another rune
Look there are not a lot of things I complain about. In fact it is a pretty short list when they fixed mining and Lumber jacking and made it a scripter only profession and made both of those skills that I very much enjoyed very much not worth engaging in. And made several years effort of marking runebooks with trees and mining spots totally wasted. So I put more effort into my scribe and marking runes and filling books. Now after a hour of trying to decide if it is a rune or a runebook the headaches start. I did not have a massive library only one floor with 140 books, I finally took it down the other day and boxed the rune books up. I got sick of looking at what is an outright eyesore. Rune Books really are effectively broken now for me. Thus taking away another part of the game that I enjoy. And the best I can figure is the only reason for it is Mesanna really likes very crappy art.
For me your arguments have lost all credibility in this since they have been based in misinformation starting with they didn't change the color. Only after Mesanna said they did change the color have you came at it from a different angle.
No..... I have a decent monitor and I use the EC which that wouldn't be a problem in since they don't stack on top of one another and besides..... my play screen is larger than a postage stamp.Well, there are actually 20 runes, but I accidently placed two of them almost on top of each other.
I'll bet you had to use the zoom to count them though.
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In this picture, I've placed a rune right on top of a runebook. (3rd book bottom left)
Keep in mind you are trying to convince someone who argued the colors were identical and only the gold trim was added
Lol this hurts my eyes
Oh they are clearly different. Maybe some colors are closer than others but my colors didn't transfer well.
And player base has the right to vote with their dollars. I say if you don't like it and you have multiple accounts pack up 1/2 of em in response. Enough of you 300 account holder people do this, they will get the message. Corporations Look at Dollar figures.
Don't you feel a little stuck up ? I mean just because you like something, I have to 'Get over it' You do realize we both pay subs to play this game ? You are not the UO Queen FFS.
Hard to believe that the devs don't pay more attention to this site. Oh wait ... It's basically the same 20 peeps making the same 5 arguments ... Hmmmm... And to the guy w 48 accts - really?? I love this game as much as the next guy (or gal) but really?
More insults.... Some people have bad eyesight, so its totally cool to single them out and harass them ?
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You're playing on a massive TV screen (which I doubt many UO players are doing) and playing in the EC, which according to the devs is only about half the player base. While I don't doubt this change looks different to you than it may to others, it IS a noticeable difference for those of us using the CC on normal sized monitors. Given the many complaints in this thread and in game, I think it rather unfair to insist that everyone who doesn't like it should shut up and get over it or get their eyes examined. It's not just one person--it's many.
While I don't think this change is as game-shattering as some are making it out to be, it's certainly proving unwelcome for many players. I just don't see why this was necessary or why it's being upheld despite so much criticism. I still think the best option would be giving players the ability to toggle which look they wanted on their own books. If there's another underlying reason this change was needed then so be it, but "to make them match" just doesn't cut it for me. If anything needed to change, it should have been the new books, not the ones we've had for years and built community service houses out of.
Runebooks don't have gold scrolling on the edges (as you can tell when you open one--and neither do atlases for that matter). The gold DOES make them harder to distinguish if you have a bunch of them and HAS made a significant impact on the look of rune libraries. The change was supposedly made to make runebooks look more like atlases--how about making them WORK the same instead?
Of all the things the players have requested regarding art over the years, changing the appearance of rune books is something I don't recall ever seeing anyone ask for. I just don't understand the impetus behind it when there are many more worthwhile and requested uses of the artists' time.
i wish i could like this 100 times.
here's an idea @Mesanna ... change the runebooks back to their original graphic then CHANGE THE RUNIC ATLAS to "match" the old style runebooks.
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Speaking as someone who uses both a 17" LCD and a 23" LCD to play UO, there's no difference - either monitor looks the same, and on both, the new look looks awful, and is far harder to distinguish, as in the picture above. I really can't see how it gets better just being even bigger when someone's playing on a 48" TV screen - nor do I see how UO, a computer game, *should* be debatably functional only on console-gaming sized screens.
Yep! @Mesanna and her team.... i dont know what they are thinking half the time. Asinine.
im sure some of you have seen my set up. I have 7 screens running when im going full blast... 32 inch - 14 inch... the runebooks look awful on everyone of them.
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Ah yes, I forgot about the screen on my 15" laptop. Guess it's time for me to quit UO, since I can't fit a 48" on the desk.
hahahaAh yes, I forgot about the screen on my 15" laptop. Guess it's time for me to quit UO, since I can't fit a 48" on the desk.
No I don't. Mesanna pretty much said the same thing at least 2 or 3 times now....
And while I realize we all pay to play... I happen to like the change. I'm pretty sure Mesanna told everyone it's NOT changing back...
Now you can whine and complain all day long but it's not going to change back...
So why not try to get them to fix something far more broken... Like the fact that you can't use any of the special dyes on either these or the new atlas's... you can't use the plant dyes on them either... Personally I'd prefer if they gave us more ways to dye them... Instead of spending all energy criticizing her decision to make them actually not look like muddy poo in the pack and partially hue like they should have all along. And Kudos to her for sticking to her guns. Just ask nice to add more ways to distinguish them with more ways to dye them and more color variations.
And you all give me crap if I complain I want to quit because I can't do something as simple as loot a boss mob at the EM Events... You all want to close accounts because they changed a runebook to look nicer? Whatever.
Making the Ankh stand out could have been a cool idea. It should have been done using complimentary colors similar to the color of the book and not with safety vest yellow. That's how my eyes see this and it's even worse when trying to buy blank runes with a pack full of these caution light runebooks.
If they don't plan on changing this back at least give us the option to dye the Ankh and borders another color. Have it sold in shops, have it player made or make it another vet reward for all I care, just do something. @Mesanna @Kyronix
If they don't plan on changing this back at least give us the option to dye the Ankh and borders another color. Have it sold in shops, have it player made or make it another vet reward for all I care, just do something. @Mesanna @Kyronix
Here is my take on it.
Kyronix> I don't think anyone is going to use the new atlas.
Mesanna> Just jack with the coloring of the old ones, it will upset people but we will do it in the guise of standardizing the hueing of both types of rune books.
Mesanna> If they cant distinguish the old books from the runes, or in a rune lib, then there is the incentive for them to use the atlas. Also lets make the crafting recipe a one time drop while we are at it !
Sure fixing far more broken things is a priority I agree, but why break not broken things in the first place? ( I just see this as a straw man excuse ).
I am not suggesting quitting UO over rune books. I am suggesting that devs that seem to think their opinion > everyone else's ( Its my game attitude), is easily swayed by higher execs when a account exodus occurs..
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I already closed the other 36 But whether it is 12 accounts or 1200 accounts who are you to judge how I spend my spare change?
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Was so excited about these. Made a bunch!!! moved all my runes from my small library into them, celebrated all the freed up lockdowns. And only then did I realize they didnt work like the runebooks...as useless as teats on a boar hog.
So I put the runebooks back, and threw the useless sumbitches away. Wont make another one, period. Fooled me once...
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Ummm.. U said it in a forum. Isn't basically every reply or post here able to be judged? Lighten up Francis.
I like the Atlas in the back pack lets me put the most common places in one book for each toon..... Wish the pen of wisdom worked on them but no huge deal. Now for particular places for particular characters theold rune books are not going anywhere. I recall, gate, SJ of the book to the default IE In the red runebook its Fel Hythloth but wait is that the red runebook or the brown runebook , or is the green book or the blue book and we won't even go into the nightmare of 20 books and 60 runes in the backpack when marking books for someone else. But i side track.......... The Atlas does have one good use and as you said other than that it is as useless as the teats on my boars...... Nope wait them boys teats ain't worthless, they provide hours of laughter as the piglets try to nurse off dads teats LOL
I know not this Francis you speak of, so you obviously have me confused with someone else. You can call me Tyrath, Mike, MR. T5R, Big Daddy Pump A Stump, or Master but drop the Cutesy names, we ain't never gonna know each other well enough for sweetheart names.
I have played so little in the last six months or so that I have yet to use one of the recipes for the atlases and make some. How do they work, then, if they don't work like runebooks? I was just under the impression that they hold a few more runes and look different on the outside. What makes them so useless in comparison to runebooks??