Mysticism, Focus and Spellweaving.... Just with those three right there you can outdamage ANY tamer/pet.
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As long as you don't pvp nor fight high end caster mobs. No spell resist? Good luck with that.
Yeah good luck with fighting as a tamer with just taming lore and vet too..... Duh.
You asked Point for Point about Stronger than the 360 points of Taming and I can name about 20 different combinations that would point for point do more than Taming, Lore and Vet.... Since Taming, Lore and Vet only do ONE thing ...... allow you to keep and tame and heal pets... It does NOT have anything that will help you with resist..... Nor does it have anything that will help you stay alive in PvP..... or do massive damage. Truth is any combination of fighting skills Swords, Archery, Throwing, Fencing, Macing with Chivy and Tactics will do 10X the damage in PvP or PvM to mobs than a Tamer could do with just Taming, Lore and Vet... MAgery, Eval and Med will do 10X more damage than Taming, lore and Vet.... and all those combinations will also keep you alive... and offer 100 more benefits... than just Taming, Lore and Vet..... so don't even go there.
i read some, skimmed some; so i may have missed someone saying it already.
combine vet and healing into one skill (use of anatomy/animal lore to have the ability to rez characters or pets, respectively)
combine vet and healing into one skill (use of anatomy/animal lore to have the ability to rez characters or pets, respectively)
Enticement made a select few that knew the trick very very rich. It was manipulated to lure nobles out of guard zone to be killed. 800-1000 gold with instant respawn and death with 2 hits it was the hunt of choice back then.
the only thing a grt dragon does well is tank ( there are templates that tank better but require skill to play)....that is why there are soo many at Events. A couple mages can stand back and cast grt heals while the dragon stands next to the boss and tries to survive...and if he dies who cares...you dont need his body. Hopefully he hits the boss enough to get a chance at a drop. It is the only time you see tons of Grt dragons.
Before all the flames begin...yes there are exceptional tamers with exceptional fully trained Grt drags that can do well...exceptional things...but that is rare!
Before all the flames begin...yes there are exceptional tamers with exceptional fully trained Grt drags that can do well...exceptional things...but that is rare!
Agree 100% with what MalagAste said in here, tamers are pathetic nowadays. I don't even play mine anymore they are so lacking, GD's were nerfed way too much, not enough variety of pets we can use THAT DON'T SUCK!
To throw my two cents in:
I think Vet is fine, just as you need healing and anatomy to heal players you need vet and lore to heal pets, I think it's reasonably tidy and balanced to have lore affect control chance and healing. 300-320 skill points leaves enough left that you can vary the type of tamer you want to play and you can leave vet off and heal in other ways if you want.
There was talk of new pets in the expansion which I think is the right direction for taming. As someone mentioned above it also would be cool to make herding useful on a tamer.
I think Vet is fine, just as you need healing and anatomy to heal players you need vet and lore to heal pets, I think it's reasonably tidy and balanced to have lore affect control chance and healing. 300-320 skill points leaves enough left that you can vary the type of tamer you want to play and you can leave vet off and heal in other ways if you want.
There was talk of new pets in the expansion which I think is the right direction for taming. As someone mentioned above it also would be cool to make herding useful on a tamer.
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Thanks you guys you've posted some good points. It's a lot to think about. I know there are other skills that need attention. Forensics anyone?
I just happened to ask myself when I am going to play the original Flutter the tamer again, and I can't seem to get excited to play her skill set:
taming lore vet mage med eval all 120. My archers are so much more fun to play. I asked myself what would have to change and I thought
if they merged lore and vet into one skill and I had 120 more skill available I would toss it into Mystic... which sounds OP until you realize that
people have generally the same template without eval. But for me to find it fun I'd want to cast. Just my opinions mind you. Nothing that I have
even suggested to anyone.
I just happened to ask myself when I am going to play the original Flutter the tamer again, and I can't seem to get excited to play her skill set:
taming lore vet mage med eval all 120. My archers are so much more fun to play. I asked myself what would have to change and I thought
if they merged lore and vet into one skill and I had 120 more skill available I would toss it into Mystic... which sounds OP until you realize that
people have generally the same template without eval. But for me to find it fun I'd want to cast. Just my opinions mind you. Nothing that I have
even suggested to anyone.
Bane Dragons are pretty equivalent to Dread War Horses. The Dread War Horse is more desired for PvP, because they're not vulnerable to a Slayer, while Bane Dragons are (Dragon/Reptile Slayer). For PvM, the Bane Dragons are stronger than Dread War Horses, due to their poison ability. Any time a Bane Dragon is hit in melee, there's a chance he'll poison his attacker. If he's hit at range, from either an arrow/bolt or a spell, he has a chance of blasting his attacker with Poison Breath, which can also poison. If the Bane Dragon is at full power by feeding him Blackrock Stew within the past 24 hours, then his poison inflicts DP. Since the Bane Dragon can keep up to 8 melee attackers DPed, he can significantly out damage a Dread War Horse.
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Oh plz no removing vet or mix vet and healing together do very little to help tamers all it does is give every other class the opportunity to use the entire arsenal of a tamer to theire full potential
To help tamers real skill have to matter the more real skill you have the better and 360 is too little should be 480
Take a page out of barding and spell songs somthing similar could be done for tamers
or give uss the opportunity to shift from defensiv to offensive ability on our pets there are some weps that allow you to do that
And just to make this clear i m not anti tamer
Tamer is pretty much the only thing i realy enjoy playing in this game warriors mages archers i can only play for a short while before i get bored i just realy hate to see tamers watered down even more
To help tamers real skill have to matter the more real skill you have the better and 360 is too little should be 480
Take a page out of barding and spell songs somthing similar could be done for tamers
or give uss the opportunity to shift from defensiv to offensive ability on our pets there are some weps that allow you to do that
And just to make this clear i m not anti tamer
Tamer is pretty much the only thing i realy enjoy playing in this game warriors mages archers i can only play for a short while before i get bored i just realy hate to see tamers watered down even more
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But isn't this the way it is already? It would be awesome if taming (or any other skill) had a bonus for "real" skill I agree. But with the advent of Mythic tokens it's really a moot point. You buy skill now.
Fact of the matter is, people will find the best way to manipulate the game so that they get the greatest reward with the least amount of effort. That's the gamer mentality now.
When UO was young it was a big deal to Grand Master a skill. We were proud of working up a skill to GM. So much so that sometimes we'd screenshot it and post it to brag.
That's not the case now. So in an effort to give those soldiers a break who have to wait 15 minutes to get a pet res from the vet, I was pondering other ideas.
Got that right esp after UO Nerfed them from all the UBBER WHINERS crying that they were so powerful but yet a Tamer could walk in and tame one. Guess Tamers are the true BAD BUTTS in UO.
You do understand that as a Tamer we can only have a GD out and no other pet, they take 5 follower slots. We can't even ride an ethy put a garg can fly, now why is that? Flying should take a follower slot just like Ethies do.
No not the way i see it because you still need to invest skill points ( and imo 360 is already too little)
What you will get is pvm warriors running 1 slot pack instinct animals or runebeetles that can res on the fly and heal them if needed reason they or I are not doing that now is because it is unpractical having ro run to the vet if the pets die
I do not think it is a good idea making the best pvm class even better
And make taming nothing more than a support skill like SW
Lower the timer to 5 min on npc vet or even remove it I m not against that even if it is silly
PvP the big issue is not the removal of vet, but how you return the healing process. If now I only need taming and lore to heal my pet in pvp, now I have an easier way of keeping my pet alive. It adds a skill to PvP that didn't exist without the need for added points. I'm fine with it on a lower end pet that don't deal damage in PvP, I'm no longer a fan based on dreads, greaters, and other pets that deal damage. Just my opinion...
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What you are missing is what this creates, not what is... I agree, anyone who pvp's with any pet is lazy imo- that doesn't stop them from doing it. AND - it's about what this new idea creates. It creates more people using pets in pvp. if you have an added, free healing bonus to your pet just because of the skills, I can only imagine the crazy hybrid templates we would see because of this.
4/6 chic ninja tamer with a cu is rare these days, but does exist.( with resist now cause he doesn't need vet) so you can bandy your cu, your cu heals itself, and you can remove any curse/mortal... I see a ton of people moving to this style of pvp if this addition is allowed in pvp.
I'm not saying it's a bad idea for pvm. But I would hope it stays far away from pvp or taming will become the new go to for pvp.
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The point you arent getting is we already have this....no one uses vet and they heal with magery or chiv. (all they cant do is rez)
And if your complaint is we will see a lot of strange and different templates in pvp...I say...perfect! That is what pvp needs more people...more varied templates
And if your complaint is we will see a lot of strange and different templates in pvp...I say...perfect! That is what pvp needs more people...more varied templates
I am easily getting that point, I should have clarified high damage dexxers cannot heal their pets and a Mage can heal, but now you can heal yourself and your pet at the same time... Vet is literally only used to res pets, I get that.
This would also eliminate riding swipe in bushido.
This would eliminate VvV bonus of ressing your horse,
Hybrid temps galore- and bring them on!!!
You almost simultaneous eliminate dismounting- because you can heal the pet that is being run down.
Pet ressing potions and npc's are no longer required to help res your pet cause any tamer can do it.
And you act like ressing/healing your pet in pvp isn't a big deal... That's why most tamers are either Mage temps or chiv temps. If bandages heal and res your pet, tamers will not only come out of the woodwork, they will change the pvp of the game. If it's a rideable mount that you can heal and ride away on it, it changes the game... And change is fine...
Truly my point is this. In trying to fix something that is not necessarily broken, you end up breaking another system... Welcome to UO 17 years later...
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This would also eliminate riding swipe in bushido.
This would eliminate VvV bonus of ressing your horse,
Hybrid temps galore- and bring them on!!!
You almost simultaneous eliminate dismounting- because you can heal the pet that is being run down.
Pet ressing potions and npc's are no longer required to help res your pet cause any tamer can do it.
And you act like ressing/healing your pet in pvp isn't a big deal... That's why most tamers are either Mage temps or chiv temps. If bandages heal and res your pet, tamers will not only come out of the woodwork, they will change the pvp of the game. If it's a rideable mount that you can heal and ride away on it, it changes the game... And change is fine...
Truly my point is this. In trying to fix something that is not necessarily broken, you end up breaking another system... Welcome to UO 17 years later...
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For me....Change is Good!
This game needs change....from top to bottom
This game needs change....from top to bottom