I think most of the roleplayers have left...then again, it's a pretty empty shard where a group of roleplayers could get trained and set up without too much hassle from other players.
Because I've never been part of the Siege role play community except for a few months the old ORC clan, I can't say that they roleplay or not. Sure they claim to, but since they are usually hidden, it's hard to know if they roleplay as a group...la
They are still an active community and I did join their alliance.. they are nice. However I didn't really see much in the way of role-play. They do have a very awesome town.
While the lack of change from each of the development groups over the years is certainly an issue, learning from the past is better than forgetting it and make the same mistakes over and over.
You are correct that most Siege players stealth around hidden.
I would agree that it's not too perilous these days. Unfortunately the shard got a bad wrap and it stuck. So what's the easiest way to stay out of harms way on the shard you play? Stay hidden.
I'm sure that's the case, but at one time, Siege used to be the shard people would try out before they left the game for good. Making Siege easier isn't going to provide the rush that some players want and thus they'll skip Siege altogether and just leave UO...la
I don't know if this is played across the Atlantic, but some American schools have a "deer and wolves" game to simulate predators and prey. UO does not have an automatically growing population of either, and that makes it worse. If you get too many wolves on Siege, all the deer will go away.
We had tried to have half of the shard red, that made the blue anti guilds grow. We need both the sheep's and the wolves. Right now, we have to few sheep's to keep our wolves.
Do you realize that nothing is bringing in new "sheep," because nobody wants to be one amidst so many wolves, and all you wolves will die out?
You could not be more wrong, we love our wolves, it's not wolves who make our sheep stop playing. People who play on Siege accept the risk, a little adrenalin kick can be nice, when you get attacked and maybe make it to town or for some, success hide and stealth away.
I could not be more right. Most people who play UO do not want to be sheep. They don't want "adrenaline." They don't want the "risk" of being attacked. They don't want to have to "hide and stealth away."
Why, everybody loved getting mowed down in a dungeon by reds twice their number! (That's sarcasm there.)
Actually...no. Sheep are perfectly capable of selling to each other.
Unfortunately for your argument, that isn't the case. While it would be in a perfect world...it just doesn't happen on Siege...la
Keep telling yourself that..people don't consistently farm Medusa so they can sell slithers to the local fisherman for 10 gold. Blacksmiths don't forge away at the anvil to get runic hammers for the newest reforged luck pieces to sell to the hefty paladin so he can go farm 10% SSI Jewls for the nearest lumberjack. Once the "need" for PvP armor isn't needed, you will find the demand for PvM and PvP armor in its likeness diminish in value and make the grind vs effort vs profit steer people away! But in the end at least Mary will still be able to make her splendid fish pies for the Roleplayers!
Years ago, I had a shop runned of Tina Tink. Tina was a miner, smith, tinker, carpentry, fletcher and lumberjack with magery to get around. Side by her shop was a small tower, that was guild house for a small red guild. Tina made her first mill from selling weapon and armor to them. They did never attack her and did let her customers shop in peace. Now many of our reds was somewhat roleplaying, also this guild. If they saw Freja, who was red and open for PvP, they would attack her, but never Tina.
Unfortunately for your inability to understand basic economics, what I spoke of applies to ANY world of finite resources, whether the real one or UO. There are basic economic principles that are inescapable, and they're in fact most relevant on Siege where players can't earn easy gold by selling to NPCs. In fact, my particular branch of economics criticizes the assumptions of neo-classicists and others, stressing that human behavior results from dealing with an imperfect world of imperfect information. In a "perfect world," what I'm talking about wouldn't even apply.
You're making one straw man after another, then begging the question by presuming a need for "PvP" armor. Actually, if you would understand the path of trading and how materials and finished goods go around, people do trade so that a BOD filler gets a runic hammer for someone to reforge armor that someone's tamer needs so he can get that elusive clean jewelry for another character. It's no different than a farmer growing produce for a corporate executive to eat while he manages a group of people whose children need school supplies.
Econ 101: as demand goes down, ceteris paribus, prices go down. Even if supply diminished, what would actually happen is that once very good armor becomes common, that would encourage new players to stay because very good gear would be cheap, if not given away. It's a piece of cake for me to make a basic all-70s suit with a bit of mana regen and stats for someone who claims to be a newbie. It's no loss to me if the person isn't what he claims, and besides, only a newbie would ask for a suit which was once pretty darn good (and is still quite usable besides).
Nonsense. You're again making a straw man. Why do you think there's trading of armor, weapons and resources on standard shards? It's because people still have needs that others will satisfy.
And do you realize that you could have gotten just as wealthy by selling to those who the reds killed and looted? Once again: sheep are perfectly capable of trading among themselves, with no need to buy from the wolf that can only take from sheep anyway.
Why do you not understand that people do not want "spice"? If players liked the chance of being attacked, so many would not have left in 1998 and 1999, and we wouldn't have Trammel. If players liked the chance of being attacked, Siege would have a lot more people playing.
Your claim there is nonsense, and you've talked to me enough to know better. So stop it.
Oh I did that too, a red once stopped, looked at Tina Tink and told her. I got you a lot of customers, I had killed a lot and looted armor and weapon with your name on *Evil Grin*
No it's not true, a lot sheeps love Siege and play there and they do not hide in town like you.
You can't prove that. And it's the wolves we are missing at the moment.
But they get bored and quit
Nope for they are greedy and a customer is a customer no matter of color
And something like that would not work on regular shards, because most players have never wanted to play for an hour, only to get overrun by reds and lose everything. I've been on the receiving end, and the chasing end when a bunch of us would get together to drive out the reds. For those like me who PvP, a fight could be fun, but most people don't want to bother with that.
You're trolling. You know that's not true about me, which means you're intentionally misrepresenting me.
Really, Siege is missing wolves? From what I've seen every time I checked it out, there were far too many wolves for the sheep — a big reason why I never bothered to accept your offers.
Not at all. There's always something new to do in UO. Look at the new life breathed into Doom, and anywhere else now that loot has changed.But they get bored and quit
You're missing the point. They might as well trade with each other, instead of the extra step of dealing with a wolf who took what a sheep had.
I have attempted to be respectful because we had good dialogue in the past, but now you're resorting to insults.
Then you haven't spent much time their recently...la
Yawn, another non-reply reply. Do you have anything constructive to add, or are you just going to keep trolling me?
Neither have you, Mr. restarting-his-account.
Zog spoke the word and it is now law.
Well, I have spent time there in the last few weeks and if you had spent that much time, you'd agree with me.
People wont agree on this point - there will be a wide variation in opinion, as there is in any population.
I'll ask again: are you going to keep trolling, or are you going to add something constructive to this conversation?
Of course, I never so much as implied any such thing, and you know that. Either find a quote, or stop misrepresenting my posts, troll.
I've popped in from time to time when bored. It's been a few months since Freja's last invitation, and there just wasn't anything there for me.
That's just the point. There are still PvPers and those with PK mindsets, and they would be going to Siege if there were so many sheep to prey on.
Oh, so you feel above being told not to resurrect that thread?
And I'm the furthest thing from a communist in real life, which does not stop me from, you know, explaining why it doesn't work. One doesn't have to "believe" in a system to know about it.
"Tramalite" [sic]? You have no idea who I am, so you can just shut up now.
Bullcrap. You think criminals are necessary?
False comparison. You really want to compare a state of nature, with its unthinking predators that still die out on their own, to humans with the capability of thought processes? If that's all you think people are, it explains a lot.
The nice thing about Siege is that if somebody is a jerk you can kill them. And if you can't, somebody else can kill them for you. There is no where for them to hide (Trammel).
the majority of combat items worth selling are not bought by players who use UO as a social chat or deco game. yes theres a good amount of deco / novelty drops, stuff every pvmer needs like crimsons and tangles, but a huge portion of why people pvm, and the reason the devs did the loot revamp is providing pvpers with gear.
I nor anyone else ever claimed otherwise, but you're assuming a need for the end product. In a world where there cannot be war, there would not be a need for production of fighter jets rather than airliners.
Again, you're assuming the need for the end product. Players otherwise would turn to luck as a highly prized mod.
they wouldnt turn to luck, because no one would be buying the stuff that you use luck for.
