So I tried to give the EC another shot....

[Merlin]

Oh, here's the next round of where you ignore what everyone else said, and make up more straw men.

I did, but clearly you didn't. What Aran said was not to say you couldn't criticize. Your quote right there even says so.

That's your opinion. Nobody ever said you couldn't have it. However, there are a lot of currently active, long-term players besides me who can't stand it. You may like the "grid form," but even in the classic view, the artwork for everything from runes to spellbooks is too pixelated for those of us who, you know, have been playing since before the EC. You may be used to it since you never played the CC exclusively, but there are still those of us playing for a long time who can't bear the terrible graphics for daily play.

Even with Pinco's, lots of us find it very convoluted to create macros, and there's no ability to drag spell icons to anywhere on the screen, only to drop them on new hotbars. There's not even Ctrl-Q to cycle backward through what the character has said.

As I already said, you might have some credibility if you stopped with the straw men. Start dealing with actual facts instead of imagining people's reactions.

So you played it once, didn't like it, played UO again with the EC, and you want to impose it on everyone?

If you think it's a joke, then why don't you apply to become a Dev, get the CC dumped, and see so many quit that you'd have no UO to play via the EC. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

Hmmm... did you see the phrase "in my humble opinion"? Ofcourse its my opinion. Just like your criticisms of EC are YOUR OPINION. Are we really getting into the semantics of that? Please lecture us more about 'straw men'.

I played CC exclusively for 4 years. Thank you come again. Save us your self-righteous lecture about CC and the old-timers that can't get past the golden age of UO.

Convoluted to create macros? It's far more easy in EC than in CC to create macros and hot buttons. Must be the words of someone who hasn't ever given EC much of a chance if you're saying that.

Do you not know about the option in EC to have your bag show the same way it does in classic client? Sorry, but the sloppy set up of CC bags just sucks, IMHO. It's inefficient to find anything and 'convoluted' that people still cling to that set up.

So you use facts, but I don't? Please dude. Your statements are all opinion... JUST LIKE MINE.

The theory that half the population would quit if they dumped CC is just as credible as all the people that say they will quit Facebook every time they change their lay out. People would stop playing for a week, then suck it up, come back and play EC. Long-term players that threaten to quit every time the game changes are pretty sad.

The clinging to classic client that you and other long-term players have, in my opinion, is pathetic. It hurts the game in the long-term. Only way for the game ot ever grow is to get a truly modern 3d client and dump both CC and EC.

Why is it so hard for you to understand that people who play EC don't see it your way??

 

[Spiritless]

Meh, neither client has good graphics. You're playing the wrong game if you're looking for good graphics.

I used to be a die hard CC supporter. Then I left UO to play other games, whose client features spoiled me. When I returned, I used the EC and thought it looked weird but the numerous other features like repeatable macros, being able to set keyboard shortcuts without spamming the keys in the chat box, grid containers, decent built-in map with Pinco's etc. made me want to stick with it. So, I did.

When I occasionally login to the CC now, I have the same "this looks weird" feeling that I had once upon a time when I started using the EC. I also miss the ton of extra functionality that comes with the EC, to the point where I couldn't return to the CC and be happy. The EC's features put it at least a little on par with modern MMO game clients which the CC just can't compete with having largely stayed the same for close to 2 decades.

My personal opinion is that people are gimping themselves by using the CC. The CC also remains pretty much the sole source of 3rd party program abuse which is also unfortunate, but will remain as long as it remains around. I recognize, however, that this debate is largely a pointless one and I don't particularly care how others play the game whilst EA are willing to continue maintaining 2 clients.

What I would say, however, is that the EC probably represents the best chance of the two clients to retain new players who are more used to the features of modern MMO gaming clients. The CC provides basically no features other than a window frame to view the game, which itself is small compared to modern screen resolutions. Gamers these days don't want to have to download and pay for a separate program like UOAssist to make the client have what I'd consider basic functionality. A step in the right direction was taken to roll up the best features of Pinco's UI into the default UI the EC provides to prevent separate downloads. I believe the CC download should be a small link somewhere which veteran players can access if they so choose, but the EC should become the 'de facto' client presented to new people registering accounts.

 

[Gedgerez Tesherd]

Well Merlin, I would love to use the Enhanced Client, if it weren't for 3 major issues that diverge my game play completely, which consist of the following: Character Artwork, Character Movement, & The Backpack.

1. Character Artwork

A major flaw for me with Enhanced Client with Character Artwork is the swing location, & animation which actually skips the real time effect with the site & sound of weaponry contact. This for me causes a dangerous delay with melee timing, AND is something that can alter up my attack strategy rotation quite dramatically (with pvp mostly, but also pvm).
I am able to see character appearance detailing on a split second notice while I am on Classic Client. I however cannot distinguish who players are at times when (some that use guild tags & some that don't) during high traffic combat with the the Enhance Client character model, clothing model/color, & armor model/color (at pvp raids, pvm group peerless, & em events).

2. Character Movement

A major flaw on Classic Client, I can watch a player skip (split second 4+ tile range jump of the character model) each time they turn an angle, or have moved 4 tiles in their current direction. This makes an eternal struggle to reach players in melee range. This is also why players so frequently call one another 'speed haxxors' while also an excuse players truly using cheats cover their tracks with deception, "I'm using Enhanced Client." With Enhanced Client player movement seems to not show the 4+ tile movement skipping, BUT when I turn an angle or try to first shift at a diagonal, my character will move in slow motion ever so slightly the first 1 second of any direction shift (with run mode toggled). Nobody can see this occurring except the person doing the movement them self in first person, as I have duel client tested the movement start/stop & angle shifts. This also creates difficulty to reach a target in melee range, but at least I can see the enemy targets true location (again no 4 tile player skipping with Enhanced Client). Each client has it's pro's & cons which can favor usage, yet both require extensive practice to manage on a comforting level game play. Both clients have a definitive flaw, but I have so chosen to deal with with the Classic Clients skipping instead of the Enhanced Clients staggered movement.

3. The Backpack

Fact of the matter is, I cannot avoid the time delay with scrolling up & down in the Enhanced Clients backpack grid. The Enhanced Client backpack grid outlining specifically adds another part of my delay with peripheral vision when attempting to grab/use items while focusing on the center of the screen. This I cannot correct after making a solid effort while failing.

These three issues I have with Enhanced Client cause more trouble than I'm used to having with Classic Client. These three issues are why I use the Classic Client, which is not to suggest that I do not respect the work tied into UOs future with the Enhanced Client.

 

[MalagAste]

Oh, here's the next round of where you ignore what everyone else said, and make up more straw men.



I did, but clearly you didn't. What Aran said was not to say you couldn't criticize. Your quote right there even says so.



That's your opinion. Nobody ever said you couldn't have it. However, there are a lot of currently active, long-term players besides me who can't stand it. You may like the "grid form," but even in the classic view, the artwork for everything from runes to spellbooks is too pixelated for those of us who, you know, have been playing since before the EC. You may be used to it since you never played the CC exclusively, but there are still those of us playing for a long time who can't bear the terrible graphics for daily play.



Even with Pinco's, lots of us find it very convoluted to create macros, and there's no ability to drag spell icons to anywhere on the screen, only to drop them on new hotbars. There's not even Ctrl-Q to cycle backward through what the character has said.



As I already said, you might have some credibility if you stopped with the straw men. Start dealing with actual facts instead of imagining people's reactions.



So you played it once, didn't like it, played UO again with the EC, and you want to impose it on everyone?

If you think it's a joke, then why don't you apply to become a Dev, get the CC dumped, and see so many quit that you'd have no UO to play via the EC. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

Your arguments are rather false. Since you never really gave the EC a try you really don't sound very knowledgeable about it.

First off FYI Ctrl-Q Works just fine at bringing up what I said before... I use it all the time. Last week when I was the Guest Auctioneer you bet your life I used it plenty. You just have to KNOW how... which means you have to actually PLAY in the EC and learn HOW to use it.

Hence my saying that I've always been and always will be willing to invite you into the UORPC Vent and teach anyone who's willing to give the EC with Pinco's a REAL try. Not some hap hazard false accusing try..... a REAL try. I'm willing to spend my entire evening talking till my throat is sore teaching folk to use it. Done it several times. Taught folk all about making macro's what the various features are and how they work.... how to speed up setting up your characters..... how to make a BASE template you can drop and play in under 4 min... Fully macro'd...

You don't think I understand the game inside and out you don't know me well. I think that probably 80% of the die hard CC users are that way because they can't play without their favorite cheat program because half of them wouldn't know how to play a game without cheating. In my opinion you can't really say you did anything if you had to cheat to do it.

Fact is there is only one feature that you CAN'T use really in the EC. Follow... You can't follow another character.... so if they did away with the CC you would also do away with multiboxers. How's that for knowledge.

Ctrl-Q works just fine if you use it without hitting ENTER first. Don't have the chat line open when you go to use Ctrl-Q and it will cycle thru the chat just fine.

 

[MalagAste]

Well Merlin, I would love to use the Enhanced Client, if it weren't for 3 major issues that diverge my game play completely, which consist of the following: Character Artwork, Character Movement, & The Backpack.

1. Character Artwork

A major flaw for me with Enhanced Client with Character Artwork is the swing location, & animation which actually skips the real time effect with the site & sound of weaponry contact. This for me causes a dangerous delay with melee timing, AND is something that can alter up my attack strategy rotation quite dramatically (with pvp mostly, but also pvm).
I am able to see character appearance detailing on a split second notice while I am on Classic Client. I however cannot distinguish who players are at times when (some that use guild tags & some that don't) during high traffic combat with the the Enhance Client character model, clothing model/color, & armor model/color (at pvp raids, pvm group peerless, & em events).

2. Character Movement

A major flaw on Classic Client, I can watch a player skip (split second 4+ tile range jump of the character model) each time they turn an angle, or have moved 4 tiles in their current direction. This makes an eternal struggle to reach players in melee range. This is also why players so frequently call one another 'speed haxxors' while also an excuse players truly using cheats cover their tracks with deception, "I'm using Enhanced Client." With Enhanced Client player movement seems to not show the 4+ tile movement skipping, BUT when I turn an angle or try to first shift at a diagonal, my character will move in slow motion ever so slightly the first 1 second of any direction shift (with run mode toggled). Nobody can see this occurring except the person doing the movement them self in first person, as I have duel client tested the movement start/stop & angle shifts. This also creates difficulty to reach a target in melee range, but at least I can see the enemy targets true location (again no 4 tile player skipping with Enhanced Client). Each client has it's pro's & cons which can favor usage, yet both require extensive practice to manage on a comforting level game play. Both clients have a definitive flaw, but I have so chosen to deal with with the Classic Clients skipping instead of the Enhanced Clients staggered movement.

3. The Backpack

Fact of the matter is, I cannot avoid the time delay with scrolling up & down in the Enhanced Clients backpack grid. The Enhanced Client backpack grid outlining specifically adds another part of my delay with peripheral vision when attempting to grab/use items while focusing on the center of the screen. This I cannot correct after making a solid effort while failing.

These three issues I have with Enhanced Client cause more trouble than I'm used to having with Classic Client. These three issues are why I use the Classic Client, which is not to suggest that I do not respect the work tied into UOs future with the Enhanced Client.

Yes the artwork is annoying the the EC yes some things are ugly.... I don't play much with the sound because it's annoying... especially footsteps and such... also turn the tree sway off..... shadows off.... helps a LOT.

Backpack.... Key here is that you honestly don't need to have your spellbook or anything really in the top of your backpack that you don't need. I have most all my spells up on the bars so I can throw most my stuff from my backpack into the Very BOTTOM of the bag..... Even bandages. You can put your ethy in a box on a bar and either one click it there or use a macro for mounting it.

Also working on macro's for your weapons and putting them in bars is awesome.... I can single click whatever I need to not only change out my weapon but my quiver and talisman as well if need be.... Want to hit someone with a heavy using all sorts of other gear... go for it. It can all be put in a macro and hit at an instant. I don't need anything in my pack as my potions, petals and bandages are all on bars on my screen right close. I set up all 700+ of my characters exactly the same... I have templates set up for tamers, mages, dexers, sampires, etc..... I can drop them in and be ready to play a new character in under 4 min. I can shard transfer and have my character up and running when I get there fully macro'd.

Folk who don't really use the EC really don't understand what they are missing because they can't see past the graphics... which I hate to remind everyone are exactly the same as the CC only horribly out of focus because they aren't meant to be bigger than a super tiny screen..... they aren't meant to be viewed on my 47" LED TV even with HD ..... just not meant for that. Also the mobs are ugly because someone thought they should change them up and they did an EXTREMLY poor job on a lot of it... changing things WAY beyond where they should have..... nothing screams that louder than the hideously ugly Hiryu.... who was once a turkey looking thing.... and is in the EC more of a plucked chicken.

At any rate we will all play whatever because the DEV's have said time and again that they will continue to support the antiquated old CC .... so long as people are using it. Thinking though they should remove the follow feature from it.

 

[Peekay]

I have never seen it do that1 where is that? also I like the pic of the EC lions rear end better than the cc in cc it looks all wrinkled

...Maybe because it's a tiger and not a lion?

 

[Peekay]

In the last State of UO address, Bonnie said half of players use EC.

Maybe if people would stop living in the late 90's with the 2D joke client, the developers would have more incentive to make EC better.

Maybe if veteran (and even non-vets) players were given the appreciation and awareness they deserve for sticking with a client they have accustomed themselves playing on and interacting with the game through, and their client of choice was given a bit of love in regards to how it handles and processes information and data so that it was smoother, there wouldn't be so much controversy regarding the topic. The vast majority of us CCers don't care much for new fancy and resource intensive artwork and graphics, we just want to not be bogged down to a staggering rate of speed when more than 5 people enter our screen, while mounted we are outran be greater dragon tamers on foot because they are in EC. And even then, we CCers have simply ADAPTED to such shortcomings of the CC, because we're stubborn asshats who refuse to change? No, because the CC, from it's artwork to it's sheer simplistic view of the world and it's inhabitants, is how we prefer to experience UO.

This isn't some dramatic "evolve or die" situation, it's much simpler than that. It's a "hey, this has been the face of Ultima Online for 17 years now, it deserves a fraction of the attention you give to the EC" sort of thing. Chances are that I would more than likely stop playing the game before I ever switch to the EC. I've tried it, and periodically retry it out simply so that I'm not someone ignorant to it's features and what it offers preaching "CC OR DIE", but ultimately the EC is not how I want to continue to experience Ultima Online. I'm not saying EC is garbage, it has many very good features, but to me it just isn't Ultima Online.

It's understandable that Broadsword lacks the sheer manpower to tackle such a project with what they currently have on their plates. But I hope that one day it is eventually something that is addressed and handled appropriately.

 

[Peekay]

Also...

I know that there is a "Use Legacy Paperdoll" option, but it's never actually worked for me, it always resets to default (disabled/unchecked) after restarting the client, which is what it requires to enable.

 

[Thrakkar]

IMHO the EC is as ugly as the CC, since it uses the same tileset. When it comes to choose the client, it boils down to a few things for me:

• Functionality and usability. And here the EC is far more superior...
• Being able to play with a big game window, not that stamp sized mini-window from the CC...

http://stratics.com/community/threads/classic-or-enhanced.309699/

latests polls say more like 65 CC 45 EC

Are we already at 110%?

Nevertheless, thank you very much for that poll! Now we know for sure, how worthless such polls are here on stratics, since sample groups here don't reflect the real playerbase the slightest. Because it has been already stated by Mesanna that the CC/EC ratio is at 50:50...

 

[DJAd]

People moan about sore eyes from the EC? I get sore eyes looking at that tiny window in the CC.

 

[Capt. Lucky]

It's just like Republicans and Democrats. It's basically 50/50 (or so it's reported). So the CC looks a lot better, the EC has more cute little client perks and advantages. Doesn't really matter. At this point they can't end either one, it would be suicide for UO. As long as the CC is available I'll probably keep my 3 accounts. But nothing is gonna change. CC isn't going anywhere. EC isn't going anywhere. So why brother arguing about it? Not sure why they don't have the EC and just lay the CC graphics over it as an option. But since they clearly don't have the resources to do that anymore, it's just pointless to talk about it. CC is here to stay. EC is here to stay. It would break my heart if UO took away the CC and forced me to play the CC for free

 

[Capt. Lucky]

People moan about sore eyes from the EC? I get sore eyes looking at that tiny window in the CC.

What tiny window? You can make the screen size about anything you want. Full screen, etc. I guess you learn the client you prefer

 

[DJAd]

You can make the screen size about anything you want.

How?!

 

[Thrakkar]

What tiny window? You can make the screen size about anything you want. Full screen, etc. I guess you learn the client you prefer

Last time I checked, there are only two options for CC game window size: 640x480 & 800x600. And playing with 800x600 Fullscreen is kinda crap these days. Not only that you have to stare at fistsized pixels, the UI gets bigger too, which is definitely not what i want...

 

[Capt. Lucky]

How?!

Under "options" on your paper doll click the right side icon that looks like an "eye" or the CBS logo Full screen resolution 800x600 then click Game play window 800x600. Might need to click full screen mode above that also. Click save and there ya go. Full screen. You can get really large monitors pretty cheap these days. With my set up I hooked my computer to my HDTV with a few cables. Now there's a monitor Just saying....

 

[Capt. Lucky]

Last time I checked, there are only two options for CC game window size: 640x480 & 800x600. And playing with 800x600 Fullscreen is kinda crap these days. Not only that you have to stare at fistsized pixels, the UI gets bigger too, which is definitely not what i want...

Probably shouldn't use it then

 

[Mandrake of DF]

Its all about what you prefer, - the taste is like your butt... we are all different.

Im a CC fan, but - I would love a client with same graphics but more options. So, let's see what breaking news the new UI that replaces EC will bring us!

 

[Thrakkar]

Full screen resolution 800x600 ... You can get really large monitors pretty cheap these days.

They're still selling large 4:3 monitors these days?

 

[Capt. Lucky]

They're still selling large 4:3 monitors these days?

Probably, lol. But my resolution is 1920x1080 and I'm running the CC just fine. I do enjoy having the black area to the side of the screen though. Regardless of what client I used I'd want my back pack and all that off my screen and still have access to them, all my spell icons and all that. I wouldn't want my screen blocked with all that stuff. So, as it has always been, the CC works great for me. UO has a lot of choices, that's a good thing, let's not limit it. I have trifocals for Ghods sake, lol. CC isn't a problem for me.

 

[Capt. Lucky]

Last time I checked, there are only two options for CC game window size: 640x480 & 800x600. And playing with 800x600 Fullscreen is kinda crap these days. Not only that you have to stare at fistsized pixels, the UI gets bigger too, which is definitely not what i want...

Actual you can mix and match those ratios. There's a lot more options than 2, lol. Mess around with it and check it out. You can have various combinations of full screen resolutions and game play resolutions. You can use full screen or not. Turn full screen off and stretch the window to any size you want. I don't mind if people prefer the EC. If it keeps you playing, super! But don't bs people about the CC client, that's not cool.

 

[DJAd]

I wonder how long we got left before this thread gets locked.

 

[Capt. Lucky]

I wonder how long we got left before this thread gets locked.

Yeah kinda wondered that myself, lol. But someone didn't know you could make the CC full screen. So I suppose there's still some good info in here. I try to debate the issue and not the poster, but sometimes that is so difficult, lol.

 

[Petra Fyde]

I wonder how long we got left before this thread gets locked.

Not at all if you keep from getting 'personal'

 

[Capt. Lucky]

I just wonder when the CC will see neon cannons and hot air balloons?

 

[Thrakkar]

Actual you can mix and match those ratios. There's a lot more options than 2, lol. Mess around with it and check it out. You can have various combinations of full screen resolutions and game play resolutions. You can use full screen or not. Turn full screen off and stretch the window to any size you want.

Yeah, I know pretty much all the options from CC since I played with that client for over 5 years. I also have a UOA license as well. Nevertheless, the only way to get the game use the whole available space (i don't use "full screen" here on purpose) on a non-4:3 monitor and not have black bars and keeping the aspect ratio as well is the EC.

But don't bs people about the CC client, that's not cool.

Did I ever do that?
I'm just argumenting with technical facts, not even with subjective things like artwork...

 

[Capt. Lucky]

Well the black bars to me are a must have to throw my backpack, spell icons, paper doll, etc into and not block the game play screen. Having a larger monitor still gives me a BIG play window. So to me running the screen with the black bars is a big feature, lol. I want to be able to get to all that stuff right away. I couldn't imagine a screen with all that stuff blocking it. It's not a bug, it's a feature!

 

[The Zog historian]

Hmmm... did you see the phrase "in my humble opinion"? Ofcourse its my opinion. Just like your criticisms of EC are YOUR OPINION. Are we really getting into the semantics of that? Please lecture us more about 'straw men'.

And guess what: you're again making a straw man. Is that all you can do?

Fact: nobody said you couldn't criticize, but you falsely claimed it anyway. Then there you are, calling me "self-righteous" when you're the only one doing that, playing the part of the wounded EC acolyte. "OMG I have been criticized!"

I played CC exclusively for 4 years. Thank you come again. Save us your self-righteous lecture about CC and the old-timers that can't get past the golden age of UO.

So you claim. And so what? What you want to do is impose your favorite on everyone else who doesn't like it, who doesn't want it, because of a silly belief it's "holding back" the game.

Convoluted to create macros? It's far more easy in EC than in CC to create macros and hot buttons. Must be the words of someone who hasn't ever given EC much of a chance if you're saying that.

I have in fact made more macros than you could possibly imagine in the EC, for a wide variety of characters, but you want to presume something so you can make another straw man.

Do you not know about the option in EC to have your bag show the same way it does in classic client? Sorry, but the sloppy set up of CC bags just sucks, IMHO. It's inefficient to find anything and 'convoluted' that people still cling to that set up.

If you had any reading comprehension ability, you would have noticed the part where I wrote, "even in the classic view..."

So which is it, that you , or you just want to make more stuff up?

So you use facts, but I don't? Please dude. Your statements are all opinion... JUST LIKE MINE.

There's another of your straw men. What I was replying to was what you wrote, as follows: "if they launched a truly modern client 3d client, the same people that use CC would cry foul about every feature and threaten to quit, citing their multi years of service playing the game."

You're making something that's so absurdly out there that it can't even be called a supposition. How do you know? Yet you're claiming it as fact, and that is what I'm calling you out on.

You want to claim something silly like that as fact, and then you're enough of a piece of work to backtrack and say that we all have just our own opinions.

The theory that half the population would quit if they dumped CC is just as credible as all the people that say they will quit Facebook every time they change their lay out. People would stop playing for a week, then suck it up, come back and play EC. Long-term players that threaten to quit every time the game changes are pretty sad.

Wrong. You're clearly not paying attention to UHall (but after all your "Visitor" status says a lot) if you haven't seen people declare firmly that they wouldn't play an EC-only UO. You want to kill off the game by getting your wish? Do you even play these days, or are you just being a troll?

The clinging to classic client that you and other long-term players have, in my opinion, is pathetic. It hurts the game in the long-term. Only way for the game ot ever grow is to get a truly modern 3d client and dump both CC and EC.

Wow, what a wonderful idea. Yes, let someone go bell that cat. Perhaps you have a magic wand to make something magically appear?

Good lord, considering the amount of content we get these days, and that EA probably doesn't have much hope for the game, do you honestly think there are resources to spend on an entirely new client that could turn out like KR?

Why is it so hard for you to understand that people who play EC don't see it your way??

And there again is your use of straw men. I never said you couldn't play the EC. I am not the one saying the game must go on with only one client, but you are. You want to dump the EC? Fine then — say goodbye to your game when too many people quit, and there aren't enough to keep EA interested in keeping the project alive.

It's no surprise you keep ignoring that but have to make up stuff about what you'd like to think people are saying.

 

[Ludes]

I mostly use the EC but both are installed.. sometimes I play in the CC just for old times sake..

I put in a new graphic card a few years ago and saw almost all my EC graphic glitches disappear...

 

[The Zog historian]

Your arguments are rather false. Since you never really gave the EC a try you really don't sound very knowledgeable about it.

Wrong. I have given the EC a try, even setting up lots of macros on characters I rarely play.

Do everyone a favor and don't assume so much next time, ok?

First off FYI Ctrl-Q Works just fine at bringing up what I said before... I use it all the time. Last week when I was the Guest Auctioneer you bet your life I used it plenty. You just have to KNOW how... which means you have to actually PLAY in the EC and learn HOW to use it.

It's never worked for me. Why hasn't it? I don't have time to figure it out.

Hence my saying that I've always been and always will be willing to invite you into the UORPC Vent and teach anyone who's willing to give the EC with Pinco's a REAL try. Not some hap hazard false accusing try..... a REAL try. I'm willing to spend my entire evening talking till my throat is sore teaching folk to use it. Done it several times. Taught folk all about making macro's what the various features are and how they work.... how to speed up setting up your characters..... how to make a BASE template you can drop and play in under 4 min... Fully macro'd...

I have already spent more time than you can imagine. It's too much of a chore when the CC with UOA does it far more easily.

You don't think I understand the game inside and out you don't know me well.

Where did I ever say that? What are you talking about?

I think that probably 80% of the die hard CC users are that way because they can't play without their favorite cheat program because half of them wouldn't know how to play a game without cheating. In my opinion you can't really say you did anything if you had to cheat to do it.

So what are you falling back on, that silly argument that I must be cheating since I don't like the EC? It's you who doesn't know me well, if that's why you think I prefer the CC.

Fact is there is only one feature that you CAN'T use really in the EC. Follow... You can't follow another character.... so if they did away with the CC you would also do away with multiboxers. How's that for knowledge.

And I don't multibox or use scripts.

Ctrl-Q works just fine if you use it without hitting ENTER first. Don't have the chat line open when you go to use Ctrl-Q and it will cycle thru the chat just fine.

And I don't have the chat box open. But I did test something. It seems to work on a character I hadn't played yet in the EC, for whom I chose not to import macros and settings. You realize, though, that Ctrl-Q scrolls to the beginning and stops, i.e. if you scroll to the beginning, you can't scroll again to the last thing the character said.

So is that the price of the EC, that I'm going to have to make base macros and settings all over again, copy the file across 37 characters, then tweak each one as needed? No thanks, I'm too busy playing the game, even if it would be the EC with horribly pixelated item artwork in backpacks and washed-out textures.

Now I'd like you to answer a question: show me where any CC fan ever said to ditch the EC. Well? On the other hand, it's always EC fans that demand "ein game ein client!" CC fans are just fine with letting EC fans use what they'd like. Why can't you be the same?[/quote][/quote]

 

[Thrakkar]

... you ... who doesn't like it, who doesn't want it ... that ... play ... I ... you ...

At first I thought, that you're trying to put a sublime secret message in your text with your bold stuff. But now I don't think so anymore. At least I don't understand it...

 

[Merlin]

And guess what: you're again making a straw man. Is that all you can do?

Fact: nobody said you couldn't criticize, but you falsely claimed it anyway. Then there you are, calling me "self-righteous" when you're the only one doing that, playing the part of the wounded EC acolyte. "OMG I have been criticized!"



So you claim. And so what? What you want to do is impose your favorite on everyone else who doesn't like it, who doesn't want it, because of a silly belief it's "holding back" the game.



I have in fact made more macros than you could possibly imagine in the EC, for a wide variety of characters, but you want to presume something so you can make another straw man.



If you had any reading comprehension ability, you would have noticed the part where I wrote, "even in the classic view..."

So which is it, that you , or you just want to make more stuff up?



There's another of your straw men. What I was replying to was what you wrote, as follows: "if they launched a truly modern client 3d client, the same people that use CC would cry foul about every feature and threaten to quit, citing their multi years of service playing the game."

You're making something that's so absurdly out there that it can't even be called a supposition. How do you know? Yet you're claiming it as fact, and that is what I'm calling you out on.

You want to claim something silly like that as fact, and then you're enough of a piece of work to backtrack and say that we all have just our own opinions.



Wrong. You're clearly not paying attention to UHall (but after all your "Visitor" status says a lot) if you haven't seen people declare firmly that they wouldn't play an EC-only UO. You want to kill off the game by getting your wish? Do you even play these days, or are you just being a troll?



Wow, what a wonderful idea. Yes, let someone go bell that cat. Perhaps you have a magic wand to make something magically appear?

Good lord, considering the amount of content we get these days, and that EA probably doesn't have much hope for the game, do you honestly think there are resources to spend on an entirely new client that could turn out like KR?



And there again is your use of straw men. I never said you couldn't play the EC. I am not the one saying the game must go on with only one client, but you are. You want to dump the EC? Fine then — say goodbye to your game when too many people quit, and there aren't enough to keep EA interested in keeping the project alive.

It's no surprise you keep ignoring that but have to make up stuff about what you'd like to think people are saying.

Almost your entire response was about petty semantics and mostly off topic at this point. Not worth my time to respond to absurdities and waste the time of others following this thread.

Yes, I have seen people claim they would quit if UO dropped CC. But again... I don't believe people would hold true on that threat (especially not half the population of the game). UO is a strong community of gamers. They would adapt, overcome, conquer. They wouldn't just throw it all away, all their years of hard work, friends they made, so on and so forth - to take their toys and go home. Would there be a few who did? Sure. But I bet they'd be back shortly thereafter. However, to the benefit of all parties, I doubt the devs would drop CC anytime soon so its really a moot point to debate much further.

Spiritless and MalagAste made a far better case for the pluses/minuses of EC vs CC than I could. So I leave it at that.

 

[The Zog historian]

Almost your entire response was about petty semantics and mostly off topic at this point. Not worth my time to respond to absurdities and waste the time of others following this thread.

What an expected non-response response. When confronted with plain facts, you're still evading. You are not worth anyone's time when you are the one making constant straw men, while ignoring that what you want to do will do nothing but drive so many away that EA will pull the plug on the game itself.

That would be some game you'll have: the client you want, just no servers to play on. What reality do you live in?

Yes, I have seen people claim they would quit if UO dropped CC. But again... I don't believe people would hold true on that threat (especially not half the population of the game).

Wrong. Do you always assume so much?

UO is a strong community of gamers. They would adapt, overcome, conquer. They wouldn't just throw it all away, all their years of hard work, friends they made, so on and so forth - to take their toys and go home. Would there be a few who did? Sure. But I bet they'd be back shortly thereafter.

I've seen it happen, including with some of the best friends I ever had in the game, for a lot less than imposing a client. You're really willing to bet the game's life on thinking people will return? Or do you just not care since you probably aren't even playing the game right now?

However, to the benefit of all parties, I doubt the devs would drop CC anytime soon so its really a moot point to debate much further.

At least here you're correct, because the Devs know that their very jobs depend on the game's survival, and the game will lose too many players if it becomes EC-only.

Spiritless and MalagAste made a far better case for the pluses/minuses of EC vs CC than I could. So I leave it at that.

Another straw man. This is not a client-versus-client debate. This is about the plain fact that given the choice between quitting and EC-only, a lot more than you think will choose the former — not everyone, but enough. A business doesn't need to lose all customers before the owner decides to close it.

So why don't you answer my question? Why are "ein game ein client" types only EC fans? Those of us who prefer the CC actually have the courtesy, the "live and let live" attitude, of believing someone can have his choice of clients. If you like washed-out textures and pixelated artwork in backpacks, go right ahead.

 

[Merlin]

What an expected non-response response. When confronted with plain facts, you're still evading. You are not worth anyone's time when you are the one making constant straw men, while ignoring that what you want to do will do nothing but drive so many away that EA will pull the plug on the game itself.

That would be some game you'll have: the client you want, just no servers to play on. What reality do you live in?



Wrong. Do you always assume so much?



I've seen it happen, including with some of the best friends I ever had in the game, for a lot less than imposing a client. You're really willing to bet the game's life on thinking people will return? Or do you just not care since you probably aren't even playing the game right now?



At least here you're correct, because the Devs know that their very jobs depend on the game's survival, and the game will lose too many players if it becomes EC-only.



Another straw man. This is not a client-versus-client debate. This is about the plain fact that given the choice between quitting and EC-only, a lot more than you think will choose the former — not everyone, but enough. A business doesn't need to lose all customers before the owner decides to close it.

So why don't you answer my question? Why are "ein game ein client" types only EC fans? Those of us who prefer the CC actually have the courtesy, the "live and let live" attitude, of believing someone can have his choice of clients. If you like washed-out textures and pixelated artwork in backpacks, go right ahead.

You didn't present any "plain facts", just opinions. Once again, you speak as if you think everything you say is a fact and anyone who disagrees are merely stating wrong opinions. Get over yourself.

How am I "wrong" about predicting whether or not people would leave the game? Have you seen the future? Your guess is really no better than mine.

Who's the one being a troll and making assumptions? Have I made any comments about how often you play? Then why are you falsing making assumptions about how often I play? Once again, all semantics with you. Just smoke and mirrors.

The game's survival depends on long-term planning. Expecting the CC to hang around another decade is certainly not an example of long term planning.

You have the "live and let live " attitude because you have no choice. I'm not the one playing the out-dated 1990's client. If you want patheic 2d graphics and for the game to simply die a slow death because the devs should fear the vet players aversion to change, then continue on your way. I'm sure you will have another snarky, condescending response that adds very little to the substance of why you actually think CC is superior and merely accuse me of creating more 'straw men'.

 

[MalagAste]

@Zog.... I like how you take general statements and turn them around to be about you. I never said YOU were a cheater.... Never said YOU used cheats. I honestly think that your whole reason for ever posting is to be a troll... and to blow smoke around twist words and incite folk. Well... find someone else to bark at.

As for you saying you did try... Obviously not if you couldn't get some of the simplest things to work for you. My guess is that you are biased and don't want it to work..... expect it to be bulky and fail because you want it to... it could be so overly simple and you are making it out to be worse than it is because YOU simply WANT it to fail because you are not ready to give it a truly HONEST try.

When you are... my offer stands to those who are truly willing to try the EC. Until then.... don't bash me for my love of the EC. As someone who has over 15 tamers and characters on every shard I think I know what's best for ME. I find the EC an invaluable tool to make UO better than ever. Yes the graphics suck but so does the postage stamp screen of the CC..... I'm not dumbing down my graphics to suit an outdated client and ruin everything else I do on my computer just so the CC is big enough on a 47" screen to see. On a screen this size it ought to be larger than one small corner of my screen.

At anyrate doesn't matter they won't ever stop the CC so sleep well in that knowledge. But I can honestly say that if I were forced to return to that... I think I'd rather move on. I know UO is crack.... but EQ Landmark can be as well.. and likely that's where I'd go.

 

[Dermott of LS]

...

Ahh the old "If they drop the CC, half the people will quit" argument... which seems to miss the flip side of the argument that if they drop the EC, the OTHER HALF will quit... so now what?

Actually... "now what?" is very simple. Finish the new Pinco-based EC User Interface, finish and release the High Resolution artwork, then begin on the bullet-point list of other problems the EC has had due to it never being finished in the first place.

If the CC is so "perfect" and "the way UO is meant to be played" then we can SHUT DOWN UO Assist and then never worry about any further upgrades to the CC in the future as it is obviously complete.

Or just maybe certain people can realize that the CC itself is NOT perfect (much in the same way that most EC users will freely admit the EC is not perfect either) and why.

Even after four years now (as of Sept 15), my linked post about finishing the EC remains topical.

 

[Viquire]

I agree with @Dermott of LS ! Still plenty of room for improvement, I wouldn't play CC without assist.

 

[The Zog historian]

You didn't present any "plain facts", just opinions. Once again, you speak as if you think everything you say is a fact and anyone who disagrees are merely stating wrong opinions. Get over yourself.

Wrong. I'm pointing out plain fact, known by anyone who plays the game. Kill the CC, and while some may still play, enough will quit that UO will be done. EA won't consider it worth maintaining.

You just can't refute that, so instead you've turned this into a client-versus-client debate when it was no such thing. You need to get over yourself.

How am I "wrong" about predicting whether or not people would leave the game? Have you seen the future? Your guess is really no better than mine.

Because you're claiming something that is the complete opposite of anyone who, you know, reads Stratics and plays the game.

Who's the one being a troll and making assumptions?

Go get a mirror and look into it for your answer.

Have I made any comments about how often you play?

No, and you're now trying to change the subject.

Then why are you falsing making assumptions about how often I play? Once again, all semantics with you. Just smoke and mirrors.

"Falsing"? Is that the new UO Noobese lingo?

I'm not making any "assumptions," but in fact presumptions based on your minimal post count here, and the plain fact that you know nothing about the population that would quit if the CC were done away with.

The game's survival depends on long-term planning. Expecting the CC to hang around another decade is certainly not an example of long term planning.

First, you're assuming the game has 10 years left. You're just the kind to blame it on "EA kept the CC around and that drove players away." You have the EC — no one is being driven away.

You have the "live and let live " attitude because you have no choice.

Only in your illogical world could two choices become "no choice."

Are you going to answer the question or just create more of your straw men? Why is it that every time someone says "ein game ein client," it's always an EC fan? Hmm?

There's no one I've ever seen who's called for one client, and for it to be the CC. You're welcome to find an example were there ever one, but then again you'd probably make a sock puppet for that.

Me: "We like our client, but go ahead and use yours."
You: "We like our client, AND IT'S GOT TO BE THE ONLY ONE!!!!!!!"

I'm not the one playing the out-dated 1990's client. If you want patheic 2d graphics

If I want "patheic" graphics with washed-out textures, horrible fonts and pixelated artwork — then I'd play the EC.

But that still is not the issue, no matter how much you try to derail the thread. Once again, you're making it a client-versus-client debate. The only point all along, which you cannot deny, is that without the CC, so many would quit that EA would pull the plug. You want to see many thousands of players go? Do you have a hidden wish of destroying the game you claim to play?

Like I keep saying, but what can't get through to you, not every CC fan will quit, but enough will, and EA would pull the plug. That isn't an "assumption" or a guess. It's a fact.

and for the game to simply die a slow death because the devs should fear the vet players aversion to change, then continue on your way.

Ah yes, I was right: you would be just that kind to blame it all on the CC, when you have no idea of the genuine problems that has driven the game away.

I'm sure you will have another snarky, condescending response that adds very little to the substance of why you actually think CC is superior and merely accuse me of creating more 'straw men'.

Oh, that's rich, the troll insinuating someone else is trolling. I'm sure you'll have another vapid, vacuous reply that further derails the thread from the issue. And as far as straw men, you just made another one. Good lord, you just don't get it.

So how are you going to like that game of yours, everybody pushed into your favored EC client, but no official servers to play on?[/quote]

 

[The Zog historian]

@Zog.... I like how you take general statements and turn them around to be about you. I never said YOU were a cheater.... Never said YOU used cheats. I honestly think that your whole reason for ever posting is to be a troll... and to blow smoke around twist words and incite folk. Well... find someone else to bark at.

You replied to me with a snippy tone, and now you dare accuse me of trolling? Now you're backtracking after making insinuations?

You claimed: "Your arguments are rather false. Since you never really gave the EC a try you really don't sound very knowledgeable about it."

Which is completely false.

You claimed: "I think that probably 80% of the die hard CC users are that way because they can't play without their favorite cheat program because half of them wouldn't know how to play a game without cheating. In my opinion you can't really say you did anything if you had to cheat to do it."

So what were you saying, hmm, that I'm part of this "80%"? Or I'm in a tiny minority of legitimate users? You painted with a broad brush. Don't cry foul when I call you out on it, especially when this "80%" is a number you pulled out of the air.

You claim I know nothing about the EC, but you clearly know nothing about CC users. You should just be quiet now and stop replying to people if you don't want a reply in return.

As for you saying you did try... Obviously not if you couldn't get some of the simplest things to work for you. My guess is that you are biased and don't want it to work..... expect it to be bulky and fail because you want it to... it could be so overly simple and you are making it out to be worse than it is because YOU simply WANT it to fail because you are not ready to give it a truly HONEST try.

You should stop making assumptions about people you know nothing about. You say things like "you really don't sound very knowledgeable about it" but are completely off base — and out of order — with your assumptions. I spent far too much time to spend any more on the EC when I'd rather be playing the game. You have a lot of tamers, well, good for you. I have 37 characters, and most are unique enough that when the macros don't get imported well, I have to copy files manually and then tweak a lot. And UOA macros don't get imported, either.

When you are... my offer stands to those who are truly willing to try the EC.

I really don't have time to keep fooling around, even if I wanted to play with washed out textures and horribly pixelated artwork.

There's one thing: when the EC can organize things without requiring me to keep moving the mouse around, let me know. Until then, I far prefer UOA.

Until then.... don't bash me for my love of the EC. As someone who has over 15 tamers and characters on every shard I think I know what's best for ME. I find the EC an invaluable tool to make UO better than ever. Yes the graphics suck but so does the postage stamp screen of the CC..... I'm not dumbing down my graphics to suit an outdated client and ruin everything else I do on my computer just so the CC is big enough on a 47" screen to see. On a screen this size it ought to be larger than one small corner of my screen.

And guess what: I never "bashed" anyone for liking the EC. I never said you were doing anything not good for yourself by using the EC. That's the difference between CC fans and EC fans. The former say, "Go use your own client," but the latter say, "One client only, and it must be ours!!!!!"

At anyrate doesn't matter they won't ever stop the CC so sleep well in that knowledge. But I can honestly say that if I were forced to return to that... I think I'd rather move on. I know UO is crack.... but EQ Landmark can be as well.. and likely that's where I'd go.

As I keep pointing out, the Devs know well that their jobs depend on keeping the CC around. Killing off the CC (at least without a decent replacement that isn't KR Part 2) will send off enough subscribers that EA will in turn kill off the game. That's all there is to it.

If you don't wish another reply, then don't make another of your own.

 

[Ashlynn_L]

While the EC may have flaws at least it comes with client functionality that doesn't cost an extra $15 and should have been incorporated in to the CC 15 years ago.

I do miss the Third Dawn client though.

 

[The Zog historian]

Ahh the old "If they drop the CC, half the people will quit" argument... which seems to miss the flip side of the argument that if they drop the EC, the OTHER HALF will quit... so now what?

No one ever said that every CC user would quit, but enough would, and EA would see UO as a waste to keep going.

Lovely game that would be, don't you think? The EC client imposed on everyone...just no official servers to play on.

If the CC is so "perfect" and "the way UO is meant to be played" then we can SHUT DOWN UO Assist and then never worry about any further upgrades to the CC in the future as it is obviously complete.

Show me where anyone ever said that.

Or just maybe certain people can realize that the CC itself is NOT perfect (much in the same way that most EC users will freely admit the EC is not perfect either) and why.

Show me where anyone ever denied the CC wasn't perfect.

 

[The Zog historian]

While the EC may have flaws at least it comes with client functionality that doesn't cost an extra $15 and should have been incorporated in to the CC 15 years ago.

I do miss the Third Dawn client though.

Back in 1999 after UOA was approved as UO Pro, Designer Dragon made a promise:

In fact, here it is: http://uo.stratics.com/uohoc/logs/1999-06-03-pub.shtml

Glamdring - *ImaSupa* It has been noted that preliminary versions of Last Target, Target Self, and Target Health bar are working and in private testing. Any word on how these might function?
DD - Well, they use configurable macro keys. And there's more than just those. But you will have to wait and see. It's much nicer than any 3rd party stuff available.
DD - Like, much nicer. But I don't want to give too much away. Uhh... let's just say that if you have problems targeting things with the mouse, you'll be very happy.

Targeting was the big reason for UOA, at least with anyone I knew. I waited and was ultimately so disappointed with what UO delivered that I broke down and bought UOA for my accounts, and it was worth it. Is it now $15? It used to be $10. I figured it was a small one-time cost to eliminate certain frustrations with the game.

 

[Ashlynn_L]

Targeting was the big reason for UOA, at least with anyone I knew. I waited and was ultimately so disappointed with what UO delivered that I broke down and bought UOA for my accounts, and it was worth it. Is it now $15? It used to be $10. I figured it was a small one-time cost to eliminate certain frustrations with the game.

I can understand why people would buy it but I always felt that the existence of UOA is a reason why the CC and Third Dawn client never got certain functionality added to it and it has always bothered me. It just seems crazy people were expected to pay $15 to a third party (who effectively has a monopoly on it - there are no "legal" alternatives) for something that should be native to the client so I never bought it on general principle.

 

[Captn Norrington]

I have been in UO 17 years, I have never once dropped my subscription on my two main accounts, not a single time. I love UO, It is the only game I've ever not gotten bored with in under a year.

With that said, If CC were deleted and we all had to use EC I would quit without a second thought, and never look back. Those who know me know I 100% mean it. Some people say they're going to quit the game many times and never do, some quit and come back, not me if I say I'm gone, I'm gone and will never be back. I have tried to use EC over the years, I still can't stand using it. I respect the fact that some people prefer EC, and don't really care whether a person prefers using CC or EC because it doesn't affect the way I play the game (with the exception of vendors stocked in EC, it is almost impossible to use them in CC)

Someone said earlier in the thread that we would all "be back for our fix", I assure you, I would not come back and many others would not either. The main reason is that EC is not UO to many of us who use CC, it just isn't. Also if CC were deleted the game would lose a huge amount of players who might have returned in the future. Think about it, why do people return to UO? to re-live their memories of the past and play what was once their favorite game. If the game no longer looks the same, they can no longer re-live their memories and would lose interest.

If you like EC, play EC. If you like CC, play CC. It really is that simple.

(For those who say EC would be improved if CC were gone: When has EA ever improved anything they own just to make players happy?)

 

[GarthGrey]

I've tried the Wiki Client, and yes that's what I prefer to call it, and it's just not for me....my .02.

 

[Olcher]

The EC is a failed experiment to bring UO in to the 21st century. Really it's an abomination: the models are ugly, everything is blurry, bug ridden and as far as I could tell there was no performance differences between the two clients. That's just the beginning. About the only thing that it has going for it, and I've never tried it, is Pinco's UI - but I just can't get past the fundamentals that I know Pinco's won't change.

I'm pretty sure that when (if..) Mesanna said that the EC is 50% of the player base that it's a face-saving lie. Even if it's the truth, how disappointing is it that 50% of your player base still uses a client that hasn't seen an update in what, 10+ years? In the past she's stated that it's a really small population that uses the EC so I'm inclined to stick to that belief. I've only ever known one person that uses the EC on a day to day basis...

They really should do themselves a favor and dump the EC and give the CC some [much needed] attention.

 

[Thrakkar]

This is about the plain fact that given the choice between quitting and EC-only, a lot more than you think will choose the former — not everyone, but enough.

I'm pointing out plain fact, known by anyone who plays the game. Kill the CC, and while some may still play, enough will quit that UO will be done.

If this is really a plain fact, then you must have some concrete numbers. So please share them with everybody...
Because without them, it is just your personal opinion based on stratics community, your friends and/or any other community. And how much those communities reflect the real numbers we recently saw in smoots poll about client usage, which was way off from the truth...

I really don't care about all these hypothetical drop CC or drop EC arguments, because neither of them will ever happen. I just think, that a discussion starts to get cumbersome, when someone tries to sell something subjective as something objective. That's usually the point, where a discussion should end...

 

[Spiritless]

lol this is a boring argument, but it also works both ways. Drop the EC and some people who preferred the EC would quit the game.

What point does that prove exactly? Well, not much really. Of course people are gonna get annoyed if you take away their preferred method of playing the game which may be the straw that breaks the camel's back in many cases whichever side of the fence you're on. Even if we assume 60/40 or even 65/35 that's still a lot of people on either side in a game struggling for population anyway.

It isn't news that people would get annoyed if you hose their preferred method of playing and may quit altogether. I guess that's why they haven't and aren't going to?

 

[Mandrake of DF]

Wrong. I'm pointing out plain fact, known by anyone who plays the game. Kill the CC, and while some may still play, enough will quit that UO will be done. EA won't consider it worth maintaining.

[/QUOTE]

I cant understand your arrogance and total lack of insight in the game or how to run a bussiness. Or, are you just so selfish that you demand everyone else have to do things your way?

I have never read anyone playing CC claiming to kill EC, or the game will die.

Ultima Online was born 17 years ago, and many old players keep to love the CC - along with a bunch of new players. For thoose that prefer the EC client - they got a good update when it was launched, but still it isn't finished. Both clients need some love and upgrades - thats a fact.

If you should continue discussing this thread, you should contribute instead of tearing it down. This is a community where we discuss things, and each client got pro's and con's - and each player has their own preferances.

You should respect that and discuss the pro's and con's instead.

 

[Mandrake of DF]

The EC is a failed experiment to bring UO in to the 21st century. Really it's an abomination: the models are ugly, everything is blurry, bug ridden and as far as I could tell there was no performance differences between the two clients. That's just the beginning. About the only thing that it has going for it, and I've never tried it, is Pinco's UI - but I just can't get past the fundamentals that I know Pinco's won't change.

I'm pretty sure that when (if..) Mesanna said that the EC is 50% of the player base that it's a face-saving lie. Even if it's the truth, how disappointing is it that 50% of your player base still uses a client that hasn't seen an update in what, 10+ years? In the past she's stated that it's a really small population that uses the EC so I'm inclined to stick to that belief. I've only ever known one person that uses the EC on a day to day basis...

They really should do themselves a favor and dump the EC and give the CC some [much needed] attention.

The game has room for both clients, and players who love each side of it. Who know's whats in the new UI that come's on monday!!! I hope that it gives the EC a lift, then they could concentrate on give CC some love as well.

They stated that for to get high quality all images in the game have to be redone - that takes a while. But, they are working on them part for part - so we will see some improvements.

We just have to accept that it is players loving each of the client, and we are so lucky that we can choose what to use.

 

[Piotr]

Back in 1999 after UOA was approved as UO Pro, Designer Dragon made a promise:

In fact, here it is: http://uo.stratics.com/uohoc/logs/1999-06-03-pub.shtml

He also said:

Glamdring - *Estraven* Is there a possibility to create such thing as intershard portal? It could allow for safely moving an evolved chracter to another shard (for whatever technical or personal requiring a big amount of money and perhaps even some quest element (say, it appears only once in a while in some place you have to find out about)
DD - We are not going to allow character transfer from shard to shard. We feel that it is too disruptive to the culture and community of specific shards.

He was right. Unfortunately someone didn't listen...