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Is it time for new housing space?
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Servers do not work that way.
That's a whole different topic that I've been thinking about - maybe we should open another thread, although this certainly relates to the original post. I would like to hear from the developers - such as @Kyronix - if moongate travel between shards is even feasible. What happens when you send gold to the bank on another shard? If your bank is on your home shard, would the gold also show up in the bank on the shard you're visiting? What about the other items in your bank box? Would the pets on your home shard be in the stables on the shard you're visiting? An actual character transfer is a lengthy process. What technical problems might moongates between shards present (I'm not talking about the game-changing cross-shard dungeon raids that might ensue, just the technical challenges)?
Really? "You can only pay us this much money a month" isn't really something a business is going to like.limit ppl to 10 accounts. that'll open up housing
Moongate travel between servers isn't possible. What difference do you think there is between "just popping over" and a character transfer?
I just saw your reply after my post on possible technical problems. This is what I was suspecting, although I could use more details on what you're talking about.
I don't know. That's the very question I was wondering about. Apparently you're saying each shard is a separate server, and it's not feasible to jump back and forth between servers, so that's what makes the idea not feasible?
LOL they already do this now, unless you want to run a bunch of email addys just to link accounts to...
And they already do it at the store too, last time I tried to buy something in qty.
: shrugs :
"Slightly less than convenient due to poor planning" != "Limitation on how much you can spend"
While I agree that just paying your subscription does not entitle you to a large house, I do think it should entitle you to equal storage. The idea that someone who wants a smaller house (Luna, Zento, Magincia, any other desirable location where 18x18 and larger don't fit) or simply hasn't been lucky enough to get a larger spot should have to open a second account to try and get equal storage doesn't seem right to me. IMO all houses should have equal storage.
id be pretty pissed off if ive chosen 6 shard shields... for them to then open a free public shard moongate for any shard travel....put it this way ..id want the 6 picks back...and i think many others would feel the same....the idea of a shard gate is cool but ...lets be honest...i and everyone else who has picked shard shields would want there vet picks reimbused
I don't have shard shields) but agree that what to do about the vets with shard shields is a valid concern to the whole suggestion of opening up cross shard travel. But it becomes a moot point if the whole idea of cross shard moongates is not even technically possible, given the way the servers work - which is my main question.
This wont be happening, do you really think they are gonna give up the $$$ from transfer tokens?
I don't see it ever happ;ening. One thing I did read somewhere, that might work, was that originally Ilsh was supposed to be a common ground, all shards could mix and mingle on it, but not go to another shard. Now that idea sounds good to me.
houses should really start to decay after a couple weeks of the account not being paid. now we're borderline free to play discussion tho so... (id gladly pay a few bucks more per additional house on account. the difference would even out if the freeloaders had to actually pay every month.)
2 week too short.. some folks have 3-4 week vacations....guess 60 days insted of 90 would be step right direction,, as folks need pay every 2 months instead of 3 .. so 6x a year instead of 4x
i like the idea of EXTRA HOUSE token...say 2.99/3.99 dollars per extra house ... any shard u like ...linked to your account...think id plum for house on every shard i have a shard shield for... this could make the devs some serious extra cash flow
Okay maybe it was 7x7 outside? It was 5x5 inside, that's all that matters, cause I had a table, chair, table, chair, table on the north wall and that was it lol. I don't know that there were "issues", it was just the way the game was. Although carrying keys, no lock downs, and such was a pain, lol. Since you didn't actually read the post or missed the point entirely is that most of us had to work our way up like the OP is doing, and it took time and luck. While I'm on it the housing setup really hasn't changed that much. It's till the same basic thing. Other than customizing it's all about the same. One thing a lot of people don't realize is that the old school houses will often fit where a custom plot won't. Many spots get passed up. Even my tent was the same size as a small which I suppose you prefer to call a 7x7.
Why would they decrease their revenue from 14.99 to "2.99/3.99" to hold an extra house?
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Or at least a ditch for burying goblins in.
because, as it is, they have people paying 15 dollars every 3 months.
if they decreased unpaid time till decay , those people would be paying about the same.
I personaly think 1 week is enough to realize your account is unpaid. irl people have no problem paying bills on time.
Say 5 account times 15 equals 75 dollars every 3 months
1 account with 5 houses @5bucks per house equals 75 dollars per 3 months (assuming Broadsword creates decay time that encourages upkept accounts)
So that works out to be the same.
Plus revenue from those house holder nonpayers that keep other accounts open for characters
Plus revenue from people who would never dream of paying 15 bucks for another account, but would add additional houses for an extra 5 bucks a month
(like i pay 10 bucks a month, every 6 months, but would gladly pay 15bucks a month every month to be able to have a second house on the account)
I think it would increase revenue if the statistics of revolving account pay were analyzed along with the market for current continuous payers who would be interested in paying for another house.
So each way pays the same......It seems to me that your argument is simply to reduce the time before decay starts.
You forget the lost revenue from all those crazy people like me with 7 accounts all holding houses for 14.99 a month ($104.93) are now able to downgrade to 14.99 + 6 houses * 5$ = $44.99. Contrary to your belief that the sum revenue would go up, I believe it would plummet. It sure would in my case =P
right, i didnt consider the people who DO keep every account paid for every month to hold house.
But... i just want a second house for an extra 5 bucks a month ! please?
I'm cool with shortening the decay time to 1 month. I am also in favor of an added fee to own more than one house per account. (just for you Smoot)
quite simply too many shards are green arce sites.... LETS at least get a 2nd house [apart from the siege thing] house on a prodo shard....jesus even if everyone with an account placed a 7x7 on atlantic ....so what???LOL...i doubt they would ......i think people would rather fill the empty luna and castle spots on the quiet shards ....mmm yes i think so....
........and people will moan on atlantic that the space/foundation they placed and paid for over last 6 years is now littered with extra 7x7s and they will never place there dream large tower/keep....lets forget the whole 2nd house crap right now
Well, to answer your question, every single person with two or more houses....Again if you charge 4.99 for an account to have a second house, a) you have only lowered your revenue by the amount they were paying per month for the account down to 4.99. That would be tantamount to committing suicide.
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*walks around the corner and finds himself in the middle of a conversation that should have ended over the weekend*
*considers the fact that a house can be placed on any shard somewhere pretty much anytime*
*Epiphany that by following the eight virtues one can grow from an initial 7x7 on a tight housing shard to a Castle over time*
*ahh Patience, Like the slow crafting of a good Old Moonglow Red*
*Heads of back to the Twin Oaks Tavern for a Glass of Good Old Moonglow Red*
*considers the fact that a house can be placed on any shard somewhere pretty much anytime*
*Epiphany that by following the eight virtues one can grow from an initial 7x7 on a tight housing shard to a Castle over time*
*ahh Patience, Like the slow crafting of a good Old Moonglow Red*
*Heads of back to the Twin Oaks Tavern for a Glass of Good Old Moonglow Red*
By using co-ownership of a house, people are paying $14.99 for 4 months of house ownership not 1 month. One month of active game time and then 3 months from when account closes til a house goes idoc. Meanwhile co-owners can use house freely for storage. This is probably the biggest reason you will not see multiple houses per account anytime soon. And also why Return to Britannia houses probably are being deleted. All that free storage for years that never decayed.
I know....no need to open up more wasted, unused, uninhabited land for housing. Lets just leave it out there, like it has been for years now, plain, and useless.
You did say "what "needs" to happen...." which sounds like no choice....to me anyway.I'm not forcing you to do anything.Rather than everyone try to all fit on one full shard, it makes more sense for those of us who are, for example European to use Europa rather than rush to Atlantic because it's more active than our home shard. And the same goes for the other players who abandoned their local shard in favour of Atlantic, adding to the pressure on the housing space. I'm not suggesting that players who are local to Atlantic should move to Europa etc as that would make absolutely no sense whatsoever
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Well its my opinion and a pretty valid one too..... why have that ''only 2 week threat'' a simple forgetfullness b4 a vacation and bang it goes idoc and falls in just a 2 week spell...sorry 2 weeks is far to short...maybe 3 months is too long...maybe a hald way house of 6 weeks would be a happy mediumn...............Or do u want to bring back the time houses were u have to refresh them every week....by simply opening the door..that was damn right stupid
I said we needed a more even distribution of players, that does not mean forcing anyone to leave Atlantic. All I suggested was that we shouldn't open up more housing on Atlantic and draw yet more players in from quieter shards. If players want to leave, that's entirely their choice.
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Lower Decay process start to 25 days. Open up malas to castles and keeps. Im out..
Shortening the house decay grace period necessitates that EA first fix account management problems, namely responsiveness. The horror stories are infrequent, irregular but still cannot be ignored. I never did hear if Parnoc's GM got her problems resolved.
Storage after the limit was made when lag was an issue.. was Always trouble.
53 accounts Are what I own but as I have said before 47 only are ever in use at one time. A few I have prema retired for personal reasons.
Not all own big homes like my Origin Castle Estates, Catskills, Napa, Oceaina.
Sone have humble homes with limited storage.
Some fool told me to stop whining about storage and just open another account and place a house................
I nearly took their head off and then calmed down... and began to laugh....
Silly person had no idea who she was telling to go add another account to the pot!
EA gets enough of my money thank you.
I think we all know I pay enough to them for someones take home pay.
All I need is to be able to have my tailor's & smiths be able to keep their cloths on hold all their books and do bods.
This would make work efficient and cut out a ton of lockdowns that are used.
Really, is that too much to ask?
1 lock down, the ability to have a menu for access, and with that access to be able to drop a bod on it locked down.
Is it really too much to ask?
Or is that so hard for the dev to comprehend?
Its a real need.
53 accounts Are what I own but as I have said before 47 only are ever in use at one time. A few I have prema retired for personal reasons.
Not all own big homes like my Origin Castle Estates, Catskills, Napa, Oceaina.
Sone have humble homes with limited storage.
Some fool told me to stop whining about storage and just open another account and place a house................
I nearly took their head off and then calmed down... and began to laugh....
Silly person had no idea who she was telling to go add another account to the pot!
EA gets enough of my money thank you.
I think we all know I pay enough to them for someones take home pay.
All I need is to be able to have my tailor's & smiths be able to keep their cloths on hold all their books and do bods.
This would make work efficient and cut out a ton of lockdowns that are used.
Really, is that too much to ask?
1 lock down, the ability to have a menu for access, and with that access to be able to drop a bod on it locked down.
Is it really too much to ask?
Or is that so hard for the dev to comprehend?
Its a real need.
Stop the apeasement with telling them to cut back on the decay...
You do not talk for all of US.
Unless you really want to hear our military personel to go balistic... or those who in future desasters,who will have a hard time getting their mind wrapped around the loss of home and life will find it hell to even think of a game to loose... this time limit was put in because of natural disasters, military service, and CC issues with the Management of our acounts.
Because of this Billing Management system I know of over 100 players who walked away in the last 2 years who wont come back no matter what is offered... all because a reoccuring billing that was set stopped working.
These players work and didnt think they needed to keep eye on what should have been safe.
You can say they had 90 days...
We all know life can get busy and with familys and work to balance the one thing that is at the bottom of the barrel in thinking is a game.
If YOU want to donate your time so be it but dont offer everyones to apease or horse trade for things we shouldnt have to beg for.
You do not talk for all of US.
Unless you really want to hear our military personel to go balistic... or those who in future desasters,who will have a hard time getting their mind wrapped around the loss of home and life will find it hell to even think of a game to loose... this time limit was put in because of natural disasters, military service, and CC issues with the Management of our acounts.
Because of this Billing Management system I know of over 100 players who walked away in the last 2 years who wont come back no matter what is offered... all because a reoccuring billing that was set stopped working.
These players work and didnt think they needed to keep eye on what should have been safe.
You can say they had 90 days...
We all know life can get busy and with familys and work to balance the one thing that is at the bottom of the barrel in thinking is a game.
If YOU want to donate your time so be it but dont offer everyones to apease or horse trade for things we shouldnt have to beg for.
Castles and keeps will never fit in Males or Tokuno. When AOS came out the devs stated at the time the land was designed with obstacles roughly every 20 tiles or so by design so nothing bigger than an 18x18 could physically be placed in any new lands going forward. The only exception were those 4 castles in northern Malas that were part of a contest long ago and that's because a GM placed them and GM's can place anywhere they want.
See above post ^
Yes, and if there's one thing we all know is that when the devs design something to not be done, it can't be done by anyone ever.
Me being rather clever, I think I detect some sarcasm here.
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If that were true then there would be no tram and no item insurance....
I think they should make safety deposit boxes we can rent in the city we are loyal to with a recurring fee which scales with the number of items in the box. The fee would be deposited in the city treasury. It would add another means of increasing the city treasury, give us more secure storage and be a gold sink ( albeit a very minimal one ).