You want a gold sink. Have a npc sell transfer tokens for like 20-25 mil. Would be a huge gold sink...
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Most likely not. For one, dupers would have a field day. More importantly, they're a revenue generator for EA. We'd see price increases for other things, certainly any future expansions and perhaps even monthly subscriptions.
Yeah, I was thinking about that too. Sorta like how a seed box works.
YEAR: 14
ITEM: Magic Easel
What it does: Generates a random Dye once per week
additional notes: With the number of colors avail in uo this would be a item that would stay fresh because you prob would never get the same color twice. This does not affect the game in any way and I would think this would be a gift everyone want.
YEAR: 10
ITEM: House Paint/Stone Stain
What it does: Generates a random paint/stain once a month that would paint/stain your house/castle. This is a not a temp color and only comes in tasteful colors/stains
I think the way to go on future rewards is make them once a month or weekly because this encourages people to keep accounts open/active to obtain these rewards meaning more $. I know I keep damn near 10+ accounts open just to gather shard shields. I could only imagine if they introduced more items like this to the game how many accounts could I keep open and afford my mortgage
ITEM: Magic Easel
What it does: Generates a random Dye once per week
additional notes: With the number of colors avail in uo this would be a item that would stay fresh because you prob would never get the same color twice. This does not affect the game in any way and I would think this would be a gift everyone want.
YEAR: 10
ITEM: House Paint/Stone Stain
What it does: Generates a random paint/stain once a month that would paint/stain your house/castle. This is a not a temp color and only comes in tasteful colors/stains
I think the way to go on future rewards is make them once a month or weekly because this encourages people to keep accounts open/active to obtain these rewards meaning more $. I know I keep damn near 10+ accounts open just to gather shard shields. I could only imagine if they introduced more items like this to the game how many accounts could I keep open and afford my mortgage
i disagree that it should only be available 2 governors, governors r not the only 1s that run events, not by a long shot. & often the events that we put on r not even in a city. however, i have 2 agree that if it costs that much that it would cater 2 the gold sellers. so have the items be usuable everywhere but the cities, leave that 2 the governors. so if we wanted 2 have say a wedding in a remote location, we could use our 24 hr deco tool for that. imo, it should be something like the pen of wisdom w the same type of charges that is sold through the origin store, not a vet reward. sell the 24 hr deco tool for $20 or something like that. thats gonna keep griefers down & money is fed 2 the developers not gold farmers.
im totally hoping 2 see a real working toilet, thats been sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo overdue!
NO POTTIES,JUST USES PEE STUMP,LIKE GOBLINS DOS
Personally, I think an outhouse or composting toilet would be more appropriate for the time period.
Things I'd really REALLY like:
The ability to make my own Chevron/Crest/Coat of Arms... A flag I can fly from my own place that has my own Chevron/Crest/Coat of Arms on it.
Along that same line the ability to put that Chevron/Crest/Coat of Arms on a shield, Doublet, Tunic, or Surcoat.
The Ability to make that same Chevron/Crest/Coat of Arms as a plaque... that can be hung in a hall.
And to best of all the ability to make a suit of armor for my horse that also carries my own Chevron/Crest/Coat of Arms.
The ability to make my own Chevron/Crest/Coat of Arms... A flag I can fly from my own place that has my own Chevron/Crest/Coat of Arms on it.
Along that same line the ability to put that Chevron/Crest/Coat of Arms on a shield, Doublet, Tunic, or Surcoat.
The Ability to make that same Chevron/Crest/Coat of Arms as a plaque... that can be hung in a hall.
And to best of all the ability to make a suit of armor for my horse that also carries my own Chevron/Crest/Coat of Arms.
If we go back to Chaucer's time, "The Miller's Tale" uses a privy as a plot device for, uh, mistaken identity. Just like the very wealthy did with different palaces and hunting lodges before the advent of indoor plumbing, moving to the next one while others "aired out," this explains the necessity of any UO player having multiple houses.Personally, I think an outhouse or composting toilet would be more appropriate for the time period.
This would work. Goldsellers would hate it. Its tricky tho because that gold would have to be bought from players first. Would only take 1 employee to do it tho and would be a HUGE revenue source that is currently in the hands of players only at this point. Could buy gold from players for 25 cents a mil, sell for 35cents a mil, huge profits and everyones happy.
Obviously simply creating gold to sell would cause rampant inflation on a magnitude that couldnt be supported for any significant amount of time
Glad you like it. Was mostly humor about their website store being a pos.. but still.
A barn door that will hold 128 pets. 1st year reward. Graphically it could look like a miniature zoo too.
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Britannia has earthlings living on it, and have likely brought over ideas from Earth, hell Lord British had shotguns in his castle he brought with him from Earth. A toilet in Britannia is not a far out idea or concept, Britannia is mainly still medieval because Magic exists in the world and the people never had a real need to develop technology. Besides if we have bathtubs with plumbing in UO [those tubs released last year] a toilet is doable.Personally, I think an outhouse or composting toilet would be more appropriate for the time period.
Singing Ball, labelled as a 7-10th year vet reward, to keep people from crying about it being unfair to recreate Singing Ball.
Unique 2-Story or 3-Story Statue that talks and buffs. 8-11th year vet reward.
Two 2-Story Palm Trees with a hammock in between them. 8-9th year vet.
Animated tiles of some sort. Any age vet reward.
Unique 2-Story or 3-Story Statue that talks and buffs. 8-11th year vet reward.
Two 2-Story Palm Trees with a hammock in between them. 8-9th year vet.
Animated tiles of some sort. Any age vet reward.
NO BUGS
You mean we have modern plumbing?! I put a rainwater barrel on my roof to fill my tub and STILL have to drain it manually and dump the used water out the window!
Our tubs have a shower faucet that turns on and off.... hellooooo! You damn right I want a working toilet.
If you get your wish, I sincerely hope they build a sewer treatment plant first!
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What do you want as a Veteran Rewards??
I won't put the year it should be. Let the Dev's choose that...(Don't make the Veteran Rewards too high cause some of us don't have 16
year old accounts please...)
I want... (1) Demon Slayer Spellbooks so i don't have to craft them, so i can fight Slasher. (Just copy the Fey Slayer Mysticism book and make one called Demon Slayer on it).
(2) Spellweaving +10 to +15 Spellbooks. If they can't increase the 720 cap, how about adding spellweaving mods to spellbooks to save skill points? The Dev's forgot about Spellweavers.
(3) Hooded Robe for Gargoyles so they look like Grim Reapers.
(4) More Fireworks items like this... Staff of Sparks of Chesapeake effect (Blue ones that explode a lot in the Sky). But a different item. Example...Book, Torch, Lantern with 10000 firework recharge limit.
(5) New Singing Ball. (Make lots of them. 5 to 7 Different colors and sounds Singing Balls). Doesn't have to be like the old ones. Keep those Rare. New Singing Ball look and sounds. Kinda like the Japanese Ones. Updated ones. (I know i will never earn one from an IDOC, but i always wanted one). Make the Singing Ball look New graphic so it doesn't look like the Rare ones or Japanese ones. NEW ITEM GRAPHIC so its original. (Example, same look as the Original Singing Ball but one of those Red Animated Sparkles item from Primevil Lich on top of the Singing Ball...Not everyone has a Sparkle. Maybe change the colors of the Sparkles on the Singing Ball from Red to Blue or something. Surpise us!)...
(6) Full Soulstone Maker object (Anvil and Forge) I don't want to buy them off other sites. Red Soulstones are okay. The half ones from Alchemy only use one charge. I want to combine like 3 or 5 of soulstone fragments to make a Full Soulstone or something. When we lose our soulstones we have to make them or pay real life money for them. I don't like that. I rather use that money to open a 2nd or 3rd account.
(7) Castle House Paint Dye tub - Change Castles or Keeps Exterior or Interior Stone Black or White.
Come up with different colors later years...(I only made House Paint for Castles and Keeps because they are left out and you can't customize them). Choose a better name for it as Veteran
Reward, just throwing an idea out there. (Might be too hard to create in game I really don't know).
(8) New Statuettes - I always thought those Statues outside the Termur Museum are nice. Like have a Lady Melisande Statuette, Lord Paroxymus Statuette (Well, i don't know he's kinda ugly. Throw it in there if someone wants that. lol). Lord Travesty Statuette, Grizzle Statuette, a new Shimmering Effusion Statuette. (All the Mondain Legacy Bosses Statuettes).
(9) Master Soulstone - Links to the other Full Soulstones. Linked to UO Account and can never be lost from IDOCS. (Added to the Interface so its a Menu that pops up and No longer an object but an option from one of the Help Menus. (Maybe I didn't think this idea thru, Probably too complicated since I don't know how to add these ideas to game). I was just an idea...
(10) One Tile Workable Soulforge - We want to save space in our UO house but this 4x4 Regular Soulforge takes up a lot of area....Trying to save space in UO homes. I can do that Sea Boss and never get one. Your gonna make me grind that monster until my fingers bleed and quit UO. Forget it. Just added it so I don't have to pay RL money for it PLEASE. lol. (We want to save RL money or use that money to keep other accounts active).
(11) SpellBook or Magebook Dye Tub - We have a Runebook dye tub, how about a Mage Book dye tub with Unique Colors then the Original ones. You can add a Metallic Spellbook Dye Tub later. (I Know you can use Natural Dyes and Pigments but weird colors not listed from regular dye tub). Bright colors like some of those 12th year anniversary bag colors.
You don't have to like these ideas for Veteran Rewards. Maybe Add them to Spring Cleaning turn ins or something or in the future. I will think of something new when the time comes. Come on Devs! Make the UO players proud of all of you this year and future years ahead!
Tyeelor of Pacific
I won't put the year it should be. Let the Dev's choose that...(Don't make the Veteran Rewards too high cause some of us don't have 16
year old accounts please...)
I want... (1) Demon Slayer Spellbooks so i don't have to craft them, so i can fight Slasher. (Just copy the Fey Slayer Mysticism book and make one called Demon Slayer on it).
(2) Spellweaving +10 to +15 Spellbooks. If they can't increase the 720 cap, how about adding spellweaving mods to spellbooks to save skill points? The Dev's forgot about Spellweavers.
(3) Hooded Robe for Gargoyles so they look like Grim Reapers.
(4) More Fireworks items like this... Staff of Sparks of Chesapeake effect (Blue ones that explode a lot in the Sky). But a different item. Example...Book, Torch, Lantern with 10000 firework recharge limit.
(5) New Singing Ball. (Make lots of them. 5 to 7 Different colors and sounds Singing Balls). Doesn't have to be like the old ones. Keep those Rare. New Singing Ball look and sounds. Kinda like the Japanese Ones. Updated ones. (I know i will never earn one from an IDOC, but i always wanted one). Make the Singing Ball look New graphic so it doesn't look like the Rare ones or Japanese ones. NEW ITEM GRAPHIC so its original. (Example, same look as the Original Singing Ball but one of those Red Animated Sparkles item from Primevil Lich on top of the Singing Ball...Not everyone has a Sparkle. Maybe change the colors of the Sparkles on the Singing Ball from Red to Blue or something. Surpise us!)...
(6) Full Soulstone Maker object (Anvil and Forge) I don't want to buy them off other sites. Red Soulstones are okay. The half ones from Alchemy only use one charge. I want to combine like 3 or 5 of soulstone fragments to make a Full Soulstone or something. When we lose our soulstones we have to make them or pay real life money for them. I don't like that. I rather use that money to open a 2nd or 3rd account.
(7) Castle House Paint Dye tub - Change Castles or Keeps Exterior or Interior Stone Black or White.
Come up with different colors later years...(I only made House Paint for Castles and Keeps because they are left out and you can't customize them). Choose a better name for it as Veteran
Reward, just throwing an idea out there. (Might be too hard to create in game I really don't know).
(8) New Statuettes - I always thought those Statues outside the Termur Museum are nice. Like have a Lady Melisande Statuette, Lord Paroxymus Statuette (Well, i don't know he's kinda ugly. Throw it in there if someone wants that. lol). Lord Travesty Statuette, Grizzle Statuette, a new Shimmering Effusion Statuette. (All the Mondain Legacy Bosses Statuettes).
(9) Master Soulstone - Links to the other Full Soulstones. Linked to UO Account and can never be lost from IDOCS. (Added to the Interface so its a Menu that pops up and No longer an object but an option from one of the Help Menus. (Maybe I didn't think this idea thru, Probably too complicated since I don't know how to add these ideas to game). I was just an idea...
(10) One Tile Workable Soulforge - We want to save space in our UO house but this 4x4 Regular Soulforge takes up a lot of area....Trying to save space in UO homes. I can do that Sea Boss and never get one. Your gonna make me grind that monster until my fingers bleed and quit UO. Forget it. Just added it so I don't have to pay RL money for it PLEASE. lol. (We want to save RL money or use that money to keep other accounts active).
(11) SpellBook or Magebook Dye Tub - We have a Runebook dye tub, how about a Mage Book dye tub with Unique Colors then the Original ones. You can add a Metallic Spellbook Dye Tub later. (I Know you can use Natural Dyes and Pigments but weird colors not listed from regular dye tub). Bright colors like some of those 12th year anniversary bag colors.
You don't have to like these ideas for Veteran Rewards. Maybe Add them to Spring Cleaning turn ins or something or in the future. I will think of something new when the time comes. Come on Devs! Make the UO players proud of all of you this year and future years ahead!
Tyeelor of Pacific
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A Ship's Figurehead - fits on the bow cannon spot of Tokuno, Gargoyle, Orc or Britannia ship
Pfft. If only I get one, obviously it'll be account bound.
Yes...year 15 tool that converts account shard shield tokens, one time per month, one shard shield to any other shard than was collected for.
6 year tool that chops down a tree or fills in a 5x5 dirt patch so a house can be placed over top. Can use one time every 6 months, or whatever!
6 year tool that chops down a tree or fills in a 5x5 dirt patch so a house can be placed over top. Can use one time every 6 months, or whatever!
The UO map does not and will not ever work that way.
first year
Blessed bag. Items that are insured and blessed stay on the ghost when resurrected.
First year:
Cursed magnetic bag. Bag that stays on the body will return to owner with cursed items in the bag once you retrieve your bag from the body. The bag can not be looted by another player or monster. Items in the bag can be looted.
27th year:
Teleporter that goes to a marked rune and returns on that exact location.
Fifth year:
Moonglow scaled sized Telescope deed
Also:
Modification to the lighthouse and shed make an option to scale down to one tile.
Blessed bag. Items that are insured and blessed stay on the ghost when resurrected.
First year:
Cursed magnetic bag. Bag that stays on the body will return to owner with cursed items in the bag once you retrieve your bag from the body. The bag can not be looted by another player or monster. Items in the bag can be looted.
27th year:
Teleporter that goes to a marked rune and returns on that exact location.
Fifth year:
Moonglow scaled sized Telescope deed
Also:
Modification to the lighthouse and shed make an option to scale down to one tile.
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27th year? Thinking way ahead!
A version of the Moonglow telescope would be awesome though! Smaller, I would hope. I remember when I first played UO and heard about the telescope braving my way there (back when moongates were random and running from city to city was common) and being sooooo disappointed that it didn't do anything.
That is easy when you step on the exact spot of the marked rune that you came in from if you are friended to that house it will return you back to the 17th year of UO... I mean the house. The teleporter would be binded to a marked rune.
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OMG A GOLDEN THRONE FOR THE BATHROOM!!!! WITH REAL WATER FLUSH SOUNDS!!!!
I LOVE IT!!!
heheehheheheheheeee
Or jokes tossed at you when the character sits on it... like
Hey I am working down here
or
Get off your Blocking my light!
I LOVE IT!!!
heheehheheheheheeee
Or jokes tossed at you when the character sits on it... like
Hey I am working down here
or
Get off your Blocking my light!
Yes, it would be great if you are able to look into the telescope and see the night sky of UO.
or maybe a view of some stars or Heartwood floating in the sky.
But that is a dream similar to changing my underwear. *Scratch*
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I don't really care what the new vet rewards, if any, might be.
I only ask one thing: Please make them decoration *only*. Do not give them any functionality.
Vet rewards should, at best, be status symbols. If you give them any functionality, as would many of the things suggested in this thread, they create imbalances which are impossible for the non-vet to overcome.
I only ask one thing: Please make them decoration *only*. Do not give them any functionality.
Vet rewards should, at best, be status symbols. If you give them any functionality, as would many of the things suggested in this thread, they create imbalances which are impossible for the non-vet to overcome.
Vet rewards should make vets stronger than non-vets, every single one. Having played for ten years SHOULD impart some "imbalance" versus new players.
Ethereal horses, etc., should be vet accounts only, and 10% faster than a regular mount. Another 5% for every tier up from the three year mounts.
These aren't Newbie Rewards, they're Vet Rewards. Veterans, who've played and paid for years. Give them an advantage.
Ethereal horses, etc., should be vet accounts only, and 10% faster than a regular mount. Another 5% for every tier up from the three year mounts.
These aren't Newbie Rewards, they're Vet Rewards. Veterans, who've played and paid for years. Give them an advantage.
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Vets do have an advantage; accumulated possessions, weapons, armor, and experience. Otherwise, your or my monthly fee is the same as the amount paid by a brand new player. There's a very good reason that all but one of the old "vet bonuses" have been phased out.
Just a few, from the past:
Ethys, when first introduced, saved vets gold that would otherwise have been spent, back when the cost of a horse and stabling actually meant anything. (If NPC horses had kept up with inflation, they'd cost something like 800k gp today.) They were also instantly storable - no need to park your horse anywhere, just put the ethy back in your bag. *And* they were an unkillable mount. Those all added up to a significant disadvantage. Try playing for a week without using an ethy mount; it's a very different experience - and there's a reason just about everyone today *does* use ethys.
Black dye tubs: For those without a bugged dye tub, these were a cash cow. Black clothing was being sold at a 100x markup over anyone else's clothes... and people were willing to pay.
Runebook dye tubs: I ran a very successful scribe; he sold 50 to 100 books a *day*. After this vet award, his sales dropped to almost nothing. The difference? People wanted dyed books, and I didn't have a runebook dye tub. Plus, it's quite useful to have your books color-coordinated in your pack, if you carry more than one or two...
Shard Shields... I don't think I even need to go into how ultimately unbalancing these have been.
+5 skill points per year up to year 4: Another which was clearly unbalancing without more explanation.
The only remaining "vet" bonus is the stats bonus when you hit 6 months. I'm still not a fan, but at least that one's quickly over and done with for the new player.
Just a few, from the past:
Ethys, when first introduced, saved vets gold that would otherwise have been spent, back when the cost of a horse and stabling actually meant anything. (If NPC horses had kept up with inflation, they'd cost something like 800k gp today.
) They were also instantly storable - no need to park your horse anywhere, just put the ethy back in your bag. *And* they were an unkillable mount. Those all added up to a significant disadvantage. Try playing for a week without using an ethy mount; it's a very different experience - and there's a reason just about everyone today *does* use ethys.Black dye tubs: For those without a bugged dye tub, these were a cash cow. Black clothing was being sold at a 100x markup over anyone else's clothes... and people were willing to pay.
Runebook dye tubs: I ran a very successful scribe; he sold 50 to 100 books a *day*. After this vet award, his sales dropped to almost nothing. The difference? People wanted dyed books, and I didn't have a runebook dye tub. Plus, it's quite useful to have your books color-coordinated in your pack, if you carry more than one or two...
Shard Shields... I don't think I even need to go into how ultimately unbalancing these have been.
+5 skill points per year up to year 4: Another which was clearly unbalancing without more explanation.
The only remaining "vet" bonus is the stats bonus when you hit 6 months. I'm still not a fan, but at least that one's quickly over and done with for the new player.
You didn't like the lighthouse, shed, Davies locker and teleporters?
i am sorry. I thought they were cool.
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I never said I don't like them. The problem is that they are limited to vet rewards. They ought to be a natural part of the game; the vet teleporter could be a giant gold sink, but instead it's a freebie... if you use a vet pick, and have sufficient age to claim one. If not? You get the inferior store version... and you'd better not be using it for a public location, as there's some players who will happily take a few minutes to burn every charge you can load onto them.
This should have stayed a vet reward, and had the cap removed.
You are correct. I like the thought (especially from so many years ago when one single tree prevented dropping a house), but it isn't just artwork that can be changed on the client side. This would need server-side editing of a shard's individual map, and I don't see the Devs up for that.
I never said I don't like them. The problem is that they are limited to vet rewards. They ought to be a natural part of the game; the vet teleporter could be a giant gold sink, but instead it's a freebie... if you use a vet pick, and have sufficient age to claim one. If not? You get the inferior store version... and you'd better not be using it for a public location, as there's some players who will happily take a few minutes to burn every charge you can load onto them.
I view vet rewards the opposite from how you see them.
They are not at all free. It is perfect for people that doesn't have a lot of time to play the game but can still sell things like the shed to help them out. They are paying for it by proving their loyalty to the game. I know two people that has done that. Which gave them enough for new suits and weapons.
Hmm I see ..
So Brianfreud2 we get down to your real agenda.
Natural part of the game ...right ... a new player who can be anyone, comes in to the game and gets a full set of Shard shields cause he should be able to buy as many as he likes and proceeds to make a living off the game... this is fair?
Cause that is what will happen till they drain the good out and perturb the last of us to leave and the game folds...
If the truth be known most new players stay under 6 months and its rare to get one to add into the die hards.
They count as my and every other vets equil?
*steam out of ears*
Vet rewards are no way shape or form free.
To get the months in, takes my hard earned money... Meaning every month must be paid for. Even at 10$ a month (at the 6 month paid sub) to get the months needed to collect these "freebies" hmm thats what ... 1920$ just in the sub and thats only 1 account. This is not counting the advancements of the publishes we have bought and the ex-pacs... oh and dont forget the upgrades.
And you sit there and tell us its not fair that we vets get rewarded for this devotion and money we have spent.
We have kept the damn doors open so the young new players can come in and learn to love the game as we do.
I caved in on the first year mounts and tub use... it seemed fair as a boon for both the vet who had extras and the young who were drooling over them to the point of distraction not to mention the purchaseablilty of the steed in the UO store.
I did not agree that the high end items should have their age limit removed, there is a cause for abuse with them being so.
Not to mention it encourages the sale of gold from outside venues for RL cash.
When you see a new player riding a 55 million tiger you know that gold came not from their hard earned hours in game...
Is that what you consider fair sir?
Money given in your book is the way to go?
I for one do not think the Dev is that far gone that this will ever see the light of day...
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So Brianfreud2 we get down to your real agenda.
Natural part of the game ...right ... a new player who can be anyone, comes in to the game and gets a full set of Shard shields cause he should be able to buy as many as he likes and proceeds to make a living off the game... this is fair?
Cause that is what will happen till they drain the good out and perturb the last of us to leave and the game folds...
If the truth be known most new players stay under 6 months and its rare to get one to add into the die hards.
They count as my and every other vets equil?
*steam out of ears*
Vet rewards are no way shape or form free.
To get the months in, takes my hard earned money... Meaning every month must be paid for. Even at 10$ a month (at the 6 month paid sub) to get the months needed to collect these "freebies" hmm thats what ... 1920$ just in the sub and thats only 1 account. This is not counting the advancements of the publishes we have bought and the ex-pacs... oh and dont forget the upgrades.
And you sit there and tell us its not fair that we vets get rewarded for this devotion and money we have spent.
We have kept the damn doors open so the young new players can come in and learn to love the game as we do.
I caved in on the first year mounts and tub use... it seemed fair as a boon for both the vet who had extras and the young who were drooling over them to the point of distraction not to mention the purchaseablilty of the steed in the UO store.
I did not agree that the high end items should have their age limit removed, there is a cause for abuse with them being so.
Not to mention it encourages the sale of gold from outside venues for RL cash.
When you see a new player riding a 55 million tiger you know that gold came not from their hard earned hours in game...
Is that what you consider fair sir?
Money given in your book is the way to go?
I for one do not think the Dev is that far gone that this will ever see the light of day...
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The whole point of vet rewards is to reward the vets....it's that simple, a new player has done nothing worthy of being "rewarded" yet, however the vets have, so it's only fair that the vets have things that improve their characters, skills, houses, etc. plus now that every vet reward is usable by any account, a new player could simply buy the vet reward they like when they have enough gold for it, except shard shields.
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Actually, vet rewards *are* free. You don't pay $10+ a month to buy a vet reward. You pay for UO service. After x number of payments, UO has historically made the decision to grant gifts back to subscribers, in the form of vet rewards. They don't have to, and afaik, as has often been pointed out elsewhere, UO is the only game that gives them.
But I never said not to reward the vets. I suggested that vet rewards should be status items, not items of functionality.
Captain, I agree that opening the utility of most vet rewards has at least evened the scale to some degree, assuming that one can actually find a given gift for sale. Deciding to buy, and not use up our vet points, a friend and I both spent a good 7 to 9 months searching for anyone with a metallic leather dye tub for sale, on any shard; he finally found one in January, while I found one last month. On *any* shard. So yes, it may be buyable and useable, but this assumes that someone decides to use a vet reward to claim one in the first place, something which sheds and shields have made a far less likely proposition these days.
Storm, the Charger was a ML pre-order gift first; that was August of 2005. The vet reward ethy horse was added in July of 2001. There was a 4 year window in which there was nothing for the non-vet to balance that inequality. As for the rest of your comment, sorry, some of it I simply dislike your implications, especially "Money given in your book is the way to go?"...
In short, some players here seem to have entitlement issues. You are owed nothing by the devs for being "a vet". Realistically, at this point, half the so-called vet accounts I know are on at least their second owner. And at the same time, many of the returning players I run into are on new accounts. *Maybe* if accounts had never been transferrable, and *maybe* if one could guaranteed always be able to find and reactivate old accounts (over half of mine could not be found by EA when last I came back), then *maybe* it might be different. But at this point, it's the account, not the owner, which is being given a gift... and besides, the only thing you're entitled to get is the thing you've actually bought; namely, a month (or 3, or 6) of gameplay. Anything more that the devs/OSI/EA/Mythic/Broadsword decide to give you, yes, that is by definition a gift.
Besides, Mesanna mentioned in the recent video how holiday gifts suck up significant dev time. I would imagine vet rewards to be similar, *especially* when they contain functionality besides just deco. As a paying subscriber, with accounts of many varying ages, I would much rather see dev time spent working on things that benefit all subscribers, not on creating gift items which will go only to a few.
But I never said not to reward the vets. I suggested that vet rewards should be status items, not items of functionality.
Captain, I agree that opening the utility of most vet rewards has at least evened the scale to some degree, assuming that one can actually find a given gift for sale. Deciding to buy, and not use up our vet points, a friend and I both spent a good 7 to 9 months searching for anyone with a metallic leather dye tub for sale, on any shard; he finally found one in January, while I found one last month. On *any* shard. So yes, it may be buyable and useable, but this assumes that someone decides to use a vet reward to claim one in the first place, something which sheds and shields have made a far less likely proposition these days.
Storm, the Charger was a ML pre-order gift first; that was August of 2005. The vet reward ethy horse was added in July of 2001. There was a 4 year window in which there was nothing for the non-vet to balance that inequality. As for the rest of your comment, sorry, some of it I simply dislike your implications, especially "Money given in your book is the way to go?"...
In short, some players here seem to have entitlement issues. You are owed nothing by the devs for being "a vet". Realistically, at this point, half the so-called vet accounts I know are on at least their second owner. And at the same time, many of the returning players I run into are on new accounts. *Maybe* if accounts had never been transferrable, and *maybe* if one could guaranteed always be able to find and reactivate old accounts (over half of mine could not be found by EA when last I came back), then *maybe* it might be different. But at this point, it's the account, not the owner, which is being given a gift... and besides, the only thing you're entitled to get is the thing you've actually bought; namely, a month (or 3, or 6) of gameplay. Anything more that the devs/OSI/EA/Mythic/Broadsword decide to give you, yes, that is by definition a gift.
Besides, Mesanna mentioned in the recent video how holiday gifts suck up significant dev time. I would imagine vet rewards to be similar, *especially* when they contain functionality besides just deco. As a paying subscriber, with accounts of many varying ages, I would much rather see dev time spent working on things that benefit all subscribers, not on creating gift items which will go only to a few.
Can we get this thread back on track please? We're supposed to be suggesting ideas, not debating the existence of Veteran rewards per se.