Well the devs said: "No we won't give governors any tools, because EMs can do that for them, and they can do a lot more and better stuff!".
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But it can be infinitely better if we could spawn NPCs, monsters and temporary locked down items!
Huh. I guess I missed it.
No offense but it sounds like you are not getting anything because in your own words none of your fellow shard mates are doing anything at all.On GL's as Governor of Yew... I have maintained the Trade Agreement with the Arcane Arts as requested by all those vocal to me. (No one but one person spoke to me about that. And NO ONE but me put up the funds
I granted ONE title. Only one person asked it of me.
I put out a ballot box first thing when it was available (It has 2 votes aye)... Set a greeting and message on the bulletin board. (It has yet to be used.)
The entire 3 months prior I have always been available. As a Luna house owner I converted the Trailer Park into the Britannian Consulate. Gave each of the Governors who wanted access to my house gave them each a bulletin board for messages a space to place a rune to their home so people could drop them a note in their mailboxes and space for them to deco the spot just for them. It's still up and available and still largely unused.
I put in a proposal for the city of Yew to get a Dock, a Bridge and an Eatery... None of which have been fulfilled. Pretty much was told it was a LOT to ask. I didn't think so. Yew has needed a Dock since the dawn of UO. Why do we have a Shipwright if we don't have a dock? Seriously? I said one would go nicely on the flat bit of shoreline between the Flourmill and the Prison. I could see a nice 3 or 4 prong dock there. Heck if I had the tools I'd do it myself.. (My other suggestion was if this is something that more than one governor of a particular city has asked for..... ie if me and 2 or 3 Yew Governors asked for one then perhaps this is something that they should add to the maps and put out with the next big publish.) I know I'm not the only Yew Governor to ask. I asked for a simple bridge though at this point I'd take a ferry like Skara Brae or a teleporter for all that matters from the end of the road there in Yew to the Yew far Farms which are all the way across the bay so we (ie the Yew Militia) could better patrol the farm and keep our citizens safe from the Slavers that plague our area (Stricktly RP of course... but we have had RP slavers about kidnapping citizens. After all what is the whole EM program about but to help us build RP and have fun? Least that's what I thought that was the way the whole thing came off to begin with)..... and I asked that we have an eatery or tavern of sorts built on the top of the Winery (I have seen this on other shards) and thought what a wonderful idea... you could have nice wine tasting events and such up there. But I was told I was asking too much.
So I recently asked if they could spare a Royal Gardener (EM to come follow me around and "plant" plants) Since I can't lock anything down. But again was denied.
So it's not that I haven't TRIED to do anything for my city for I have... Now my character Willa who is the Governor has LONG been the Mayor of Yew. She's not too keen on the "Governor" title but she still likes to be refered to as the Mayor. Governor seems so.... Big time..... and formal. Mayor is a bit more "personal"... For most of my UO time. I think somewhere around 12 years or so. She doesn't "fight" so she wouldn't be caught dead at the majority of EM events so this is a wonderful way for her to participate and enjoy the EM's. I have always loved Yew and have lived in or around it all the years I've played or at least in my RP sense have maintained living in Yew.
I do always attend the EM events in some form or another unless it's a Fel type event then I attempt to gauge how important it is to the current plot and decide if I want to bother with it. I don't much care for unconsequential PvP. I mean isn't any point to killing reds or anything nothing happens to murderers. You or they just get right back up and go back at it. Not really an incentive to do anything there if you ask me. As for getting scrolls or whatever I have what I need or find other ways. I have no need to go to Fel. Not that I don't go there... just you won't really see me there at an event least not on someone you'd know.
If there were some reason I'd go. Anyway... I thought at first that the EM's would help bring back RP and such to the lands.... However they aren't supposed to play favorites or something so no they don't do much.... they used to come and do things with the RP community and they used to participate more than they do but they don't do much if any interactions anymore and our shards Council is refered to as a "Social Organization"..... nothing more by the EM's. So if other RP groups get some interaction from the EM's other than at the weekly EM events then I'm glad for you... but anytime I've asked about things I'm told that it's not allowed. They won't provide a Gate to MoA auctions on Thursdays from Brit to the Auction because that would be "Favoritism" somehow? I fail to see where helping to give access to a COMMUNITY event open to the public is "Favoritism"... But whatever. They won't help with runes or books to any public event or provide a gate... But if you get married they will??????? Where is the logic in that? Completely stupid if you ask me. I had many hopes about the EM's from the start years ago. But now am only frustrated and growing bitter towards it.
I go to many shards and see LOVELY deco done by the EM's.... You won't see that on GL's. Our stuff is bland and plain ..... no deco at all most anywhere. I realize this is up to the EM's of a shard but who gives a rats about a shard but those who play on it? Not sure what I'm supposed to feel about that. But it makes me sad that our EM's don't do any of that and always tell us NO... Yet other EM's do those things. I think the inconsistencies is becoming more of an issue. Just my opinion.
I guess I also believed the Banner System was going to be more than a glorified teleporter to a town I can't stand too but.... I suppose I was wrong. What's the point of having an RP town if it's not recognized by anything more than a teleporter to a place that's not part of Britannia where you live? I don't know.
I can't say what other Governors have done... I know that many of them did submit proposals and such but like me have not gotten much response. Save the bulletin boards everyone is getting, ballot boxes and the House yet to be built... 2 of our Governors actually HAVE their houses already. I submitted mine awhile ago... was told that the submission was passed on to the builders but I'm still waiting on the building to be put in. One of the other Governors also put in the necessary stuff to get the building not sure they have theirs yet either... but doubt it. So not speaking for others I know they have actually submitted things but have been similarly denied. So not wanting to speak for them I haven't, not my place to.No offense but it sounds like you are not getting anything because in your own words none of your fellow shard mates are doing anything at all.
I wouldn't expect an EM to do anything if except for 1 person(yourself)there is zero support or participation
It's hard to hold events when you know that certain people are going to show up and grief, Aran. There's an event I'd really like to try to do but I know that someone will come tear it all up since it would be outside and I can't lock stuff down in town. There is one particular person on my shard, Aran, who seems to delight in such behavior. Not much point putting in a huge effort with such people around.
Huh, what a jerk. I'd hate to have that guy around!
Governors can now use the bulletin board within each City for all manner of announcements and communiques.
The bulletin boards are a great addition, but only citizens of each particular city that a board is in can read it. On my shard, there is not a large enough active population to make citizen-only events viable. It would be much more helpful if there was a way for governors to reach more people.
Sorry Kyronix, but your system of "Governors can do things through the EM, which is far more flexible" turned out to be a total disaster just like I and many others predicted.
Sorry, but after watching this round of elections and how the process went I am even more in the camp of keeping ANY additional power out of player hands. I watched as TOOOOOO many questionable things went on this election cycle.
But the problem is with the bulletin boards they will only work for citizens of that city. If I ran an event, I think that probably only one citizen of my 3 population would show up and that'd be me. I want a way of inducing folks to swear their allegiance to my city and if others can't read the bulletin board how can that happen?
Technically (at least on Chesapeake), the governors offices were requested LAST term. (And to my knowledge, none have yet been built on my shard, but I have not looked at others.) Furthermore, they were less specifically requested than they were OFFERED, with the stipulation that we had to "provide building materials", which nearly all of the governors immediately did. In fact, one of our cities had no governor at the time and a few of the rest of us gathered the materials for that city so that the next governor would not be left out.
What kind of abuses did you see and what could be done to prevent them in the future?
I disagree with your assertion that it is a "total disaster" as evidenced by the fact that its working quite well on many shards where the Governors are actively engaging the citizenry, holding events, and adding dynamism to the every day lives of Britannia's citizenry.
Wow, I'm flabbergasted! This is a wonderful idea and I'm not sure why nobody has thought of it on my shard. This is simply giving an EM a 10th anniversary sculptor and having them lock it down in the abby or at that shrine you posted.Tried to get an extra +500 to luck statue for all to utilize on Napa Valley (as Yew governor), but was rejected for being too decorative and not useful enough for Yew citizens and the betterment of the city. Instead, was advised to think of adding items like a dock, moongate, or stable.
*puts on flame retardant suit before I begin*
This is a fallacy.
Sorry, but these took what, 15 min of work to code. Doesn't really show much commitment to improving the system to me. Message boards and ballot boxes are a small part of the feature debt of things that should've been included at launch, in my opinion.
Just for clarification, the EM/Devs would spawn the plot(s), and the current Governor would have access right to customize it - as if it were a normal house. No big new thing that players can't do already.
Sorry, no. I have to agree with Kryonix here. Sure there may be some players who wont abuse it, but I don't want some random player going crazy with lockdowns and spawning monsters. If these powers were allowed, it is safe to say that everyone would be expecting a governor on nearly every shard to start abusing those powers.
I totally agree, however Atlantic has the added benefit of having a more grateful community. We have been talking to Khaleesi and want to replicate some of her events. However we can't without an EM's assistance or we won't be able to run the event due to *******s who will steal, axe, and or insult everyone and everything there. I've actually have to be careful when I advertise events in chat because of this.
Sorry, usually I don't engage in these sort of threads, but to ignore that the roll out of this has been a disaster is ignoring reality. Yes, there have been a few examples of people running with this system, such as the protests and guards in Britain on Atlantic... however there are many more examples of failure.
Our EM's will not lock down things for any player-ran events on Catskills. I feel that's an awful thing for them not to provide as it is these events that keep the interest of players in this game, PERIOD. They should provide that OR EVEN BETTER have the in game GM's assist with that. Mesanna PLEASE allow EM's to do this across all shards OR like I said get the in game GM's to assist OR like I suggest create a tool that allows players to do that themselves (Governors can access that thru their context menus; players can buy it from the Origin store for some cash).Wow, I'm flabbergasted! This is a wonderful idea and I'm not sure why nobody has thought of it on my shard. This is simply giving an EM a 10th anniversary sculptor and having them lock it down in the abby or at that shrine you posted.
I provided a ton of items for a "player event" that I hosted and ran. The EMs were kind enough to just lock them down for me so I could host an event without being grieffed (which we have issues with on Chessy Peaks).
All the tables and crafting items are EM locked down, player brought chairs and the vendor stalls. It's still "temporarily" up and is located around the square in the north of Minoc on Chesapeake if you want to look at it in game:
Perhaps the take away from this isn't that the Governor system is broken. Maybe our EM system is broken? I know it's only a part time gig kind of deal, but perhaps they need a better established guidelines of what is and is not acceptable.
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That is not enough Kyronix. Sorry!
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So everything that has been done on Atlantic and Chesapeake should be wiped? I can see the angle on the spawns being used to grief. I know the yellow crystallized essences have been used to grief. Though to say that lockdowns and other 'needless' things are not needed when you play on a shard that has been given such attention is a little heartless to people who's main shard hasn't been given such accommodation. Though if you are arguing that all of this should be wiped. Well, that is another avenue that could be argued. However, I don't think a lot of people would be happy with that solution. I particularly would not like to see the spruced up deco on Atlantic removed, but that is just my opinion.
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On this specific topic.... I will agree people are lazy, and a lot will very seldom if ever check a board in game. But, there are ways around that. The last I checked Communication Crystals placed inside a Packy will still allow a person to broadcast as if it is a herald. Have not checked in a while so someone please correct me if I am wrong.
Was I the one with the accounts? No, and they are called trial accounts (Which cannot vote). My "Army" was RP + a form of putting my name out there. I have 3 accounts open, so unless my 3 accounts = 50 votes then I'm not sure where any of this BS is coming from.
Then why bother adding anything like the governor system into the game if you feel that way? Heck, why add anything that gives any players a new ability if you're going by this logic?
If the vast majority would not abuse the system, my question is why should something like being able to adjust or place a town crier should be limited cause of the lowest denominator of player. If they were to post racist comments, curse words, or in general anything constituting harassment, wouldn't that be a violation of the TOS they agreed to when they started this game? Wouldn't that mean they should be banned or receive a 24 hour suspension plus loss of Governorship? I mean, I understand to a degree the amount of trouble that could be raised with certain tools, but I do not understand the argument against something like the ability to do a town crier because of the lowest common denominator. There is a TOS for a reason.
Then you are living in wonderland.
