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It not odd Shaunus, Merv started this thread to start trouble as per his normal posting style, he now has three of his guildies on here trying to back him up, cause he told them to in Vent. You and i both know Merv spends more time dead than anyone else on Europa. You are bang on the money about the amount of stealthers in his guild, 98% of his guild play a steather
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Exactly which "back in my day" are you referring to Mervyn?
Because I have played and pvped since day one and there was never a time was getting a rezz was a really big deal so what exactly is your point?
Pre power scrolls you hung with some newer players that had only gm magery or less so they fizzled a few rezzes?
And now you want to revamp an entire system because you are getting a little teary eyed and nostalgic? Lol at that.
Based upon this post and most of your previous posts why am I not surprised to now find out that you run with a stealthing popshot crew on a subpar shard?
No offense Europa, you stay classy
Because I have played and pvped since day one and there was never a time was getting a rezz was a really big deal so what exactly is your point?
Pre power scrolls you hung with some newer players that had only gm magery or less so they fizzled a few rezzes?
And now you want to revamp an entire system because you are getting a little teary eyed and nostalgic? Lol at that.
Based upon this post and most of your previous posts why am I not surprised to now find out that you run with a stealthing popshot crew on a subpar shard?
No offense Europa, you stay classy
I remember res killing him 10 times in a row down in Tera Keep around 7-8 years ago. He kept getting ressed up by his team mate and I kept killing him. "Back in the day" when res killing served the purpose of keeping 2 people out of the fight.
He has never liked me since...
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Mervyns real problem is now most people don't play factions anymore and him and his guild of merry seathers cant put people into stat loss anymore. So they get ressed up and come back and kill all his sealthers. He doesn't like the fact he cant win a fight anymore with a group of stealth archers and put everyone into stat loss
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Once again , Mervyn speaks the truth, UO is on easy mode for so long now its boring they need to make it more diffcult for us to play, i also think the same penalty should be done for Pvm thats even worse on easy mode.
^^ troll
Sounds like youre ready for seige. I give em 2 weeks before theyhead back to mainstream shard lol
Simple answer to the post, Make it so if u fight in fel then u cant insure items when on this facet, That would bring back risk vs reward which was thge best part of uo, Also it would keep trammies happy as they can fam the cursed items that would be needed for the pks and blue pk killers to compete , And then when anyone wants to trammie it up they can just put on there insured crap and go tram .
Fel was much better when u kept what u killed uo was risk vs reward and the devs took that away , The bounty system was abused but it was fun. So i say no insurance and cursed only in fel keep the trammel stuff in trammel, The up side as i said alot more trade crafters would be busy again and players would actually try to stay alive longer Just my views
.Fel was much better when u kept what u killed uo was risk vs reward and the devs took that away , The bounty system was abused but it was fun. So i say no insurance and cursed only in fel keep the trammel stuff in trammel, The up side as i said alot more trade crafters would be busy again and players would actually try to stay alive longer
Just my views
Haha can you imagine the crying from midian and gandalf if their item insurance was taken away? Seige rules in fel on every shard.
Oh no wait, they're all hardcore theyd welcome this change.
Oh no wait, they're all hardcore theyd welcome this change.
lol hahahahaaaa loooooooool Muhahaaaaaaa
Its funny how most of the ones attacking Mervyn come up with reasons in the past death was a big deal! Ive also not seen anywhere where mervyn has wanted to stop pvp in fact on our return to europa its been great the amount of pvp action and the amount of people trying to pvp against. With little success may i add.
The problem with death being no issue means noone learns anything. Most of the pvp we are seeing is tamers who put pet on someone get killed get rezzed put pet on someone get killed etc etc etc that isnt pvp and that person has no reason to do any better because at least one of these is wearing a blessed suit and so costs him nothing at all.
A game is a challenge something which UO is not and if death means you have to walk out of the dungon for a rez thats gotta be better than using sacrifice no? At least there is some negative...
I don't agree with a seriously harsh punishment but something to at least be a bit of a pain because after all in a lot of games death is GAME OVER in UO its a breather at most.
Things i would like to see are:
If your dead you are not able to join or be active in any global chat.
Bring back exorcism for around champ spawns.
Maybe some kind of cool down after the first rez a couple of mins maybe say 5.
If a pet have been set to attack a player they should not be able to be recovered by logging out.
The problem with death being no issue means noone learns anything. Most of the pvp we are seeing is tamers who put pet on someone get killed get rezzed put pet on someone get killed etc etc etc that isnt pvp and that person has no reason to do any better because at least one of these is wearing a blessed suit and so costs him nothing at all.
A game is a challenge something which UO is not and if death means you have to walk out of the dungon for a rez thats gotta be better than using sacrifice no? At least there is some negative...
I don't agree with a seriously harsh punishment but something to at least be a bit of a pain because after all in a lot of games death is GAME OVER in UO its a breather at most.
Things i would like to see are:
If your dead you are not able to join or be active in any global chat.
Bring back exorcism for around champ spawns.
Maybe some kind of cool down after the first rez a couple of mins maybe say 5.
If a pet have been set to attack a player they should not be able to be recovered by logging out.
As its been said time and time again in this tread, If your guild is not happy with Europa and think its too easy, you can all move over Seige where life is as hard as your wanting it to be.
Getting everyone from your guild to come into this thread trying to persuade everyone your opinion is the correct one will not swing here.
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lol pjay moaning about pets lmao, Pro guild the only guild on server to run with 10000000000 pixies and 20000000000 stealthers, Fact is untill pro came along fkl was europas joke of a guild with kaj , Now gand and co take home the trophy 100% they either dead runing or have 1 mil pets and stealthers, And now he has the nerve to whine about pvp lol just lol
I think you all suck!
Siege is boring beyond belief, granted some people enjoy it, to each their own..but it's a ghost town I have a worked Mage with trash armor and still can't get a fight unless it's against a dp dser who runs and hides on my first exp..the pvp is a joke
However I do enjoy the Ruleset and wish alot of it would transfer over to a more populated shard, but then again there's a reason it's one of the slowest shards..it's a special market, and the majority doesn't enjoy it, interesting enough though I read come play SP in almost every thread from the same 5-6 people almost daily..so we come over with 6 of us and sit in shame ALL day without even a hitch, finally suit up.spam Global for a fight and the majority of answers are..aww man I just xferred my skills off, or come and find us :/
Siege is boring beyond belief, granted some people enjoy it, to each their own..but it's a ghost town I have a worked Mage with trash armor and still can't get a fight unless it's against a dp dser who runs and hides on my first exp..the pvp is a joke
However I do enjoy the Ruleset and wish alot of it would transfer over to a more populated shard, but then again there's a reason it's one of the slowest shards..it's a special market, and the majority doesn't enjoy it, interesting enough though I read come play SP in almost every thread from the same 5-6 people almost daily..so we come over with 6 of us and sit in shame ALL day without even a hitch, finally suit up.spam Global for a fight and the majority of answers are..aww man I just xferred my skills off, or come and find us :/
Well if Merv and his merry bunch of stealters move to siege then that will double your population ++ for Seige and ++ for Merv and his merry bunch of stealthers
If u used crap and didnt run with good stuff u normaly wasnt a real target for pvp anyway i allways used my vanqs in pvp was hated for it ut hey to 1 death id normaly get 40 kills so the cost coverd it
No one is trolling i quit UO just recently, it became too boring and easy, at least factions had some death penalty.
Didnt fancy trying your hand at something new then epi?.... magery? lol
lol
God no, then i would die.
id love to see u on a mage though
be fun as u use to shout how easy it was to kill with a gimp death striker
hmm, insurance.
May I quote someone on the subject of insurance? I hasten to add that I didn't at all share the views of the person I'm quoting - and I admit he was talking about Siege specifically rather than insurance as a whole.
May I quote someone on the subject of insurance? I hasten to add that I didn't at all share the views of the person I'm quoting - and I admit he was talking about Siege specifically rather than insurance as a whole.
Epic, if you re not happy go play siege or go play a game that you feel challenges you skill set more. You must have forgot that blue death has been this way since, well since tram was invented.
I clearly remember fighting against you long before Armstrong convinced us all to join factions again, and those were fun battles. They would last for hours at harry or down in Despise. Those were the fun days, loot the dead so when they got a res they would need to run out and restock while you fought away using there loot.
Stat loss killed PvP and you know it! How many people do you think would leave the game if there was a harsh penalty for death? I would say it would kill the game completely.
So what you, Merv, Pjay, Thrakkar and the rest of your guild are asking for is to put people off playing just so you can stealth around and res kill them so they cant play the rest of the night... Great Idea! Not!
I clearly remember fighting against you long before Armstrong convinced us all to join factions again, and those were fun battles. They would last for hours at harry or down in Despise. Those were the fun days, loot the dead so when they got a res they would need to run out and restock while you fought away using there loot.
Stat loss killed PvP and you know it! How many people do you think would leave the game if there was a harsh penalty for death? I would say it would kill the game completely.
So what you, Merv, Pjay, Thrakkar and the rest of your guild are asking for is to put people off playing just so you can stealth around and res kill them so they cant play the rest of the night... Great Idea! Not!
While all the talk about the benefits to pvp that a greater death penalty would bring is interesting, I'm actually interested in improving the gameplay for ALL players, I didn't really intend this thread to be a discussion about PvP, afterall I have a blacksmith miner also.
Not Epyc fyi
Not much we dont get any
not feeding the trolls any more, feeding time at the zoo is over.
PS it was meant to read Epic Fail, Typo
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I would argue otherwise (as I am sure many would). But if this idea were implemented, it would be a sure bet any players that would try to give UO a shot would not want to stick around...
So please indulge us, how would this resurrect once per hour restriction improve the game for ALL players?
Of course there was a difference. But the gap between crap (= ordinary exceptional items) and Vanq./Inv. items was a lot smaller than between current exceptionals and high end imbued/reforged/arti stuff.If u used crap and didnt run with good stuff u normaly wasnt a real target for pvp anyway i allways used my vanqs in pvp was hated for it ut hey to 1 death id normaly get 40 kills so the cost coverd it
LOL. I'm not in his guild...
And where in this thread do I support any of his ideas?
You're so full of it. Mervyn is the one who says death used to be hard, and other than his lackeys, everyone else is pointing out that death is in fact not the big deal MERVYN claims it once was.
Got it? Stop putting words into our mouths.
I had never heard of you guys before. If your little gang can't keep a tamer, pet and a resser down, then it's no wonder your reputation is what it is.
Here you are saying nothing that is the least bit comprehensible.
As others have pointed out, other games are not "game over" upon death.
UO is not Donkey Kong. We invest time to build up skills and acquire items. The current status of death as a time-out is fine for both PvP and PvM.
Things the rest of us would like to see in UO:
Your guild can't join or be active in any global chat.
Your guild can't res for an hour.
And there you go again with the pets thing. Is that such a problem with your self-professed "PvP"?
Lets make death more fun...
Hardcore mode... when you die, you're done. Simply the biggest thing that could actually effect someone. Maybe, it can even kill all your characters on your account, so that you can't just transfer items and gear back over... makes it so you have to work for stuff! YEAH! /sarcasm
Hardcore mode... when you die, you're done. Simply the biggest thing that could actually effect someone. Maybe, it can even kill all your characters on your account, so that you can't just transfer items and gear back over... makes it so you have to work for stuff! YEAH! /sarcasm
This post was never intended for a discussion about pvp as Mervyn has pointed out but its bound to end up being applied to pvp because that is the only thing PRO play UO for because nothing else is challenging. On our return its become clear that there are players in fel now who just have no idea how to play UO and you have to ask the question why don't they know. I think its pretty easy to assume if death was a little more harsh maybe people would learn how to apple, cure, teleport, etc etc all the things to survive instead of just standing there and taking what comes.
I could also list games which game over means you need to start again and i in no way advise UO go down that route im just pointing out the extremes Death can be. It seems clear UO is at the other end of the scale where death is just routine. I could also tell you many games now come with a Hardcore mode which death is Game Over maybe this is because those games have also realized death isn't harsh enough.
I know of 1 person who Rage's something terrible in general chat when he/she is killed and in an opposing faction so it seems logical to assume death was something of a hindrance (20min stat).
If this person is dead why should i be able to hear the bile he/she spews out in chat and more to the point why should everyone else hear it? Thus my proposal if your char is dead you cannot join or be active in general chat.
As for tamers if we kill a pvp tamer we always try to kill the pet because they will not be able to rez the pet because they don't have vet a trade off you would expect to pay a price for if your pet died. If logging out negates the trade off nothing has been lost. If we manage to kill the pet that person would have to find a tamer or go to a town to rez their pet that's down time similar to a stat loss but a lot less.
In the past you died in UO and lost all your stuff you would have to walk to find a healer which could take 10mins+ then you would have to walk to a moongate/town another 5 - 10mins then find some more armor, pots, regs, bandies, etc another 5 - 10mins? I cant remember the times because it was so long ago but at best theres a 20min downtime before you can engage in battle again. Its funny how thats a similar time to stat loss and yet the claim is back in the day death was no big deal and yet stat loss is a big deal?
The pot calling the kettle black?
I could also list games which game over means you need to start again and i in no way advise UO go down that route im just pointing out the extremes Death can be. It seems clear UO is at the other end of the scale where death is just routine. I could also tell you many games now come with a Hardcore mode which death is Game Over maybe this is because those games have also realized death isn't harsh enough.
I know of 1 person who Rage's something terrible in general chat when he/she is killed and in an opposing faction so it seems logical to assume death was something of a hindrance (20min stat).
If this person is dead why should i be able to hear the bile he/she spews out in chat and more to the point why should everyone else hear it? Thus my proposal if your char is dead you cannot join or be active in general chat.
As for tamers if we kill a pvp tamer we always try to kill the pet because they will not be able to rez the pet because they don't have vet a trade off you would expect to pay a price for if your pet died. If logging out negates the trade off nothing has been lost. If we manage to kill the pet that person would have to find a tamer or go to a town to rez their pet that's down time similar to a stat loss but a lot less.
In the past you died in UO and lost all your stuff you would have to walk to find a healer which could take 10mins+ then you would have to walk to a moongate/town another 5 - 10mins then find some more armor, pots, regs, bandies, etc another 5 - 10mins? I cant remember the times because it was so long ago but at best theres a 20min downtime before you can engage in battle again. Its funny how thats a similar time to stat loss and yet the claim is back in the day death was no big deal and yet stat loss is a big deal?
The pot calling the kettle black?
i tottaly agree with your point about death and i beleive that this is what is killing uo no risk no enjoyment with equipment you can solo nearly every thing in game risk free might as well not bother ie quit . then sudenly i joined siege wher all that risk is back cant wear an ubber set because u would just lose so now how do i still kill the monsters i do it with team work and what fun it is siege maybe low population but i play with moor people on siege than i used to play with back in the populated days siege is where uo is not just an item based game every thing about it is better and in 6 months iv only been pkd three times.
it is a sence of achievment and a thrill to one risk equipment and to defeat mobs without having an ubber set of equipment . all the devs can do on prodo shard is make mobs have high hit points moor bordom
so you can choose to play uo with god mode turned on or play uo with moor enjoyment
You have no clue bud. The games you mention do not involve months of character and suit building like UO does.
If in the past it took you 20 minutes to get rezzed and rearmed I feel sorry for you but that is a personal issue because it sure as hell didn't take myself or anyone else I played with that long.
In your own words it took you 10 minutes to find a healer, then more time to walk to a town, then 5- 10 minutes to get your supplies? It took you 5-10 minutes to grab a suit of armor and regs or bandies from your bank? That's laughable.
Were you maybe wearing mittens when you played back then bud? You were hardcore wow!
I apologize. Who knew people were that hardcore?
I have just added you to my list of people who will say any nonsense to try and prove a bs point. Thanks
While I did mention item insurance in my original post, I would like to clarify that I and others do like item insurance (hence why not many people play Siege). I'd just like some kind of death penalty for a sense of accomplishment when you survive a dungeon or a boss. If so many people are against stat loss because they don't want to lose time, how about raising the stakes? I personally wouldn't mind losing half a mill per death in insurance. If i was playing in trammel I'd just uninsure my items and think twice about insuring items just for convenience.
I understand where you're coming from. But my point was that there are more than just fully trained, highly experienced PvP and PvM dungeon crawlers in this game.
Now, let us imagine all the other players. The new players, the untrained characters, the mules, the non-experienced players, etc. I can't see this idea working out very well for those remaining people, especially not the new players who may come around sampling this game.
Technically, though, we don't need a system to force us to only resurrect once an hour to get a feeling of accomplishment...
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But you don't need to insure anything in trammel anyway, people just do it for convenience, if you have a lot of stuff on your corpse, it remains for soooo long, plus nobody else can loot it, and even if a monster rummages through the corpse and takes an item, trammel is so protective that only the person whom was looted gets looting rights to his own goods on the monster.
No, you don't need to insure anything. However, my point was that there exists more than just highly trained and experienced PvP and PvM dungeon crawlers in this game. People who you seem to only be thinking about for this idea of yours. All other players/characters who do not fall under this category do not have anything to gain from your idea, and it would only serve to make their game experience very tedious.
I could see a forced durability loss by percent as a more acceptable idea. However, forcing people to only resurrect once an hour is too much, especially if people don't play for hours on end in one sitting.
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Exactly. Either you lose everything and have to start a new character from scratch or its just a joke. 20 minutes or 500k means what exactly?
Who is to say what degree of penalty is correct?
If Mervyn ever pvped 1 vs 1 he would understand that the idea of a fight is to decide who is the better warrior/mage during that encounter. The death is just the outcome. It should not also be a huge penalty. Half the time I win a 1 vs 1 fight I don't even loot. Its about winning the fight and knowing you bested your opponent. Maybe next time he will best you.
I guess for people like Mervyn just knowing that you bested your opponent is not enough? You also need to trash talk your brains out because you put them out of commission for 20 minutes? Lol at that. Chest thumping monkees. Too many of them these days and factions especially promotes it. I wonder if Mervyn is an active faction pvper...
Fine, let's see you do this on an honor system. The rest of us don't care to follow you off a cliff.
DO YOU EVEN REALIZE WHAT YOUR INANITY WOULD DO TO A NEW PLAYER WHO DIES TO A MONGBAT OUTSIDE HAVEN?!
If you want more challenges/to make death have more meaning to you, as you play your character do so.
Say you want to lose money as you die... just donate it to the community hosts that do events for the shard, that way everyone wins... you get to lose out on your millions and the community event people can do more with some extra income.
Or if you want to be penalized by death and not help out the community, just add restrictions for yourself, IE: Can't use LRC, LMC, all items/armours have to be things you've made, etc., for a specific period of time...
Say you want to lose money as you die... just donate it to the community hosts that do events for the shard, that way everyone wins... you get to lose out on your millions and the community event people can do more with some extra income.
Or if you want to be penalized by death and not help out the community, just add restrictions for yourself, IE: Can't use LRC, LMC, all items/armours have to be things you've made, etc., for a specific period of time...
PERMA-DEATH OR I QUIT!!!!!!
I'VE HAD IT UP TO HERE WITH THE TRAMMIFICATION OF UO!!!!!!!
PERMA!! DEATH!! NOW!!
PERMA!! DEATH!! NOW!!
PERMA!! DEATH!! NOW!!
PERMA!! DEATH!! NOW!!
Perma death, just like the old days, when death had real consequences because it was permanent!
-Galen's player
I'VE HAD IT UP TO HERE WITH THE TRAMMIFICATION OF UO!!!!!!!
PERMA!! DEATH!! NOW!!
PERMA!! DEATH!! NOW!!
PERMA!! DEATH!! NOW!!
PERMA!! DEATH!! NOW!!
Perma death, just like the old days, when death had real consequences because it was permanent!
-Galen's player
