Speedhacking finally over?

[ShadowTrauma]

I don't think any rational person can dispute that some players will create an excuse for dying, however UO often (not always) remains a bad example of gamesmanship based on my many years of experience pvping. - More so currently than in the past, likely compounded by some publish changes and having less players in game (sometimes the former caused the latter).

There are few other games I've played (and I've played many games/mmo's of all varieties) where the culture of cheating is so terribly pervasive, easily accepted, (even worse) seemingly free from punishment, and as readily accessible as it is in UO. It even shocks me that I have accepted the same facts while playing with friends, guildies, and competitors. The most common reason for cheating I've heard is essentially summarized by, "They cheat, so I'll cheat also.", and I'll admit I have debated this same view over the years.

I wish I could say it was a minority of players who cheat, but in my experience it has not been so. This could be due to playing on smaller shards the majority of the time, and I hope that other players experiences are not as disappointing as my own, but based on UO's track record of dealing with cheaters (of all kinds) I remain heavily skeptical on this subject.

UO is the only game I have ever had the "pleasure" of hearing, "Wow, their cheats are better than mine. I wish I had what they were using.", and unfortunately I could understand what they were talking about. It is the one of the main reasons I would never recommend this game to any of my pvp friends that don't already play UO, even though it has had some of the best pvp I've experienced over the many years I have pvped. - These last two statements bring me no amount of happiness to write.

 

[Goldberg-Chessy]

I don't think any rational person can dispute that some players will create an excuse for dying, however UO often (not always) remains a bad example of gamesmanship based on my many years of experience pvping. - More so currently than in the past, likely compounded by some publish changes and having less players in game (sometimes the former caused the latter).

There are few other games I've played (and I've played many games/mmo's of all varieties) where the culture of cheating is so terribly pervasive, easily accepted, (even worse) seemingly free from punishment, and as readily accessible as it is in UO. It even shocks me that I have accepted the same facts while playing with friends, guildies, and competitors. The most common reason for cheating I've heard is essentially summarized by, "They cheat, so I'll cheat also.", and I'll admit I have debated this same view over the years.

I wish I could say it was a minority of players who cheat, but in my experience it has not been so. This could be due to playing on smaller shards the majority of the time, and I hope that other players experiences are not as disappointing as my own, but based on UO's track record of dealing with cheaters (of all kinds) I remain heavily skeptical on this subject.

UO is the only game I have ever had the "pleasure" of hearing, "Wow, their cheats are better than mine. I wish I had what they were using.", and unfortunately I could understand what they were talking about. It is the one of the main reasons I would never recommend this game to any of my pvp friends that don't already play UO, even though it has had some of the best pvp I've experienced over the many years I have pvped. - These last two statements bring me no amount of happiness to write.

Newsflash:

People cheat in every game in existence. Doesnt make it right. Just is what it is.

Anyone that thinks UO has a higher % of cheaters then any other game is a complete fool imo.

 

[budman23]

Newsflash:

People cheat in every game in existence. Doesnt make it right. Just is what it is.

Anyone that thinks UO has a higher % of cheaters then any other game is a complete fool imo.

The difference being in other games the people running the game are at least making an effort to remove the bad people from ruining the rest of the people.

A community where we troll the people who dont cheat or complain about it sure leads to a community of ONLY cheaters.

That being said someone who thinks this enviorment of no policemanship while rewarding those who do cheat, doesnt mean more cheaters than usual, is a complete idiot.

But please i would just love to hear your amazing insights Goldberg.

 

[ShadowTrauma]

Newsflash:

People cheat in every game in existence. Doesnt make it right. Just is what it is.

Anyone that thinks UO has a higher % of cheaters then any other game is a complete fool imo.

Sometimes your responses definately baffle me, it appears as if you are attempting to troll your own thread... Never did I definatively say that UO has a higher percent of cheaters than any other game. I even included several statements that would make it difficult to draw that concluson, often stating that this is purely based on my own experiences in UO, and that it might be different for other players.

I still stand by my post however, and Budman's post mirrors some of the points I was attempting to make, albeit a bit rougher than how I would say it.

 

[Lord X]

Most people who cheat dont cheat. Just ask someone if they cheat. They will be honest with you. Or at least they dont THINK they cheat. They are honest with themselves. Or like has been pointed out, everyone else does it, so they may as well too. In which case it also turns into them not cheating.

Most people that dont cheat will also provide awesome screenshots of them pwning the Crap outta someone with programs running in their taskbars and missing trees or the like. Doesnt matter the program, they ARE the better player.

Damnit.... just realized I forgot to change my text to blue for this.

 

[Goldberg-Chessy]

Sometimes your responses definately baffle me, it appears as if you are attempting to troll your own thread... Never did I definatively say that UO has a higher percent of cheaters than any other game. I even included several statements that would make it difficult to draw that concluson, often stating that this is purely based on my own experiences in UO, and that it might be different for other players.

I still stand by my post however, and Budman's post mirrors some of the points I was attempting to make, albeit a bit rougher than how I would say it.

Are you kidding me?

"There are few other games I've played (and I've played many games/mmo's of all varieties) where the culture of cheating is so terribly pervasive, easily accepted, (even worse) seemingly free from punishment, and as readily accessible as it is in UO"

That is in your own terms even more then definitive. Do you even know what the word means?

I called you out for saying that UO has a higher % of cheaters then other games based upon your own words and you then tried to backpeddle by saying you didnt mean it definitively. Thats just plain sad.

 

[budman23]

Sometimes your responses definately baffle me, it appears as if you are attempting to troll your own thread... Never did I definatively say that UO has a higher percent of cheaters than any other game. I even included several statements that would make it difficult to draw that concluson, often stating that this is purely based on my own experiences in UO, and that it might be different for other players.

I still stand by my post however, and Budman's post mirrors some of the points I was attempting to make, albeit a bit rougher than how I would say it.

Your posting to attempt to save his feelings is a worthless gesture.
His posture of protect his template and playstyle is so apparent his arguments (which he has none legitimate) are pathetic.
He basically is saying na na im right and your wrong, these points are about the same you could get with an argument with a 5 year old.

I have waited to see Goldberg explain his points but there never is an explanation, just some random stupidity added to some meaningless shard he plays that no one else does where apparently
he thinks hes better than the nonexistent player base he plays against.

Of course he doesnt play Atlantic, its populated, we sure can count on a pvpr who AVOIDS pvp to make all the right decisions right?

I would rather have a random trammel person make changes or give their opinions, at least they might try instead of being another self serving worthless member.

 

[ShadowTrauma]

Are you kidding me?

"There are few other games I've played (and I've played many games/mmo's of all varieties) where the culture of cheating is so terribly pervasive, easily accepted, (even worse) seemingly free from punishment, and as readily accessible as it is in UO"

That is in your own terms even more then definitive. Do you even know what the word means?

I called you out for saying that UO has a higher % of cheaters then other games based upon your own words and you then tried to backpeddle by saying you didnt mean it definitively. Thats just plain sad.

Unlike yourself I will once again refrain from being disrespectful and disparaging your personal statements/opinions. I know what the word definitive means to me in this instance, if I had definitive proof "That there was a higher percentage of cheaters in UO." I would have said that precise statement. Instead I was careful to make sure that I included the comments in my post were based on my own experiences in the game, feel free to ignore that again if you wish. I'll even be so bold as to apologize if my post didn't make that clear enough or if my wording was too strong.

This will most likely be the last time I respond to you on this particular issue, it just so happened you picked a topic that I am passionate about, being that I am often disappointed by the cheating culture UO has allowed to exist over the years (I am glad they are finally getting around to some potential duping "fixes"). Please reply again if you feel you must. I'll even take the time to fully read your opinion, but unless you have anything substantial/relevant to add to the topic, then I will politely bow out and let you continue trolling your own thread.

 

[Cetric]

I know of some people that use proxy servers to make their lag better. Not neccesarily as a cheat, but just to make it playable. People that play on us servers from europe, for instance. This happens in other games besides UO. What do you think of those people? They are enhancing themselves, is it making them better than you? no, are they faster than you? probably not... But without it they would be at a huge disadvantage. Just tossing that out there, as those inparticular ive never seen as a cheat, and are usable in most games, including wow and gw.

Some people cheat at everything they play, some people are firmly against it. happens with everything. I was playing songpop on my phone the otherday and a guy answered a song in 0.1seconds. If i hit a song the instant the gump is up the ebst i can do is .4seconds. How did he do that? Should i accuse him of cheating? How many people by modded xbox controllers that cause rapid firing, ever died to a guy using a pistol in call of duty, that is firing like an automatic? Probably used a modded xbox controller, but how can you stop that?

and the world goes on..

the problem with accusations in uo is, everytime someone sees something they aren't fully aware of what is happening, they start blabbering about cheats and scripts, etc etc. Rather than try to get better, they just make this excuse and say so be it. Some people here are special cheaters, they macro skills and stuff. How big of a cheat are they compared to the guy that duped val hammers?

i've seen some hilarious accusations over the years about scripts and crap running. People think the word script is found in a thesaurus next to "magic" and "voodoo" or soemthing it seems like. Granted, some times it might be true, but others, it is pure ignorance. The problem is, the guy crying wolf all the time hurts the credibility of those that know what the differences are.

 

[Goldberg-Chessy]

Your posting to attempt to save his feelings is a worthless gesture.
His posture of protect his template and playstyle is so apparent his arguments (which he has none legitimate) are pathetic.
He basically is saying na na im right and your wrong, these points are about the same you could get with an argument with a 5 year old.

I have waited to see Goldberg explain his points but there never is an explanation, just some random stupidity added to some meaningless shard he plays that no one else does where apparently
he thinks hes better than the nonexistent player base he plays against.

Of course he doesnt play Atlantic, its populated, we sure can count on a pvpr who AVOIDS pvp to make all the right decisions right?

I would rather have a random trammel person make changes or give their opinions, at least they might try instead of being another self serving worthless member.

I have been pvping exclusively on Atlantic for years bud

I dont cheat and unlike yourself I also dont make excuses or whine about other supposed cheaters.

But as I exclusively play warrior templates I do not have the need to whine like mages do. I kill or chase mages like you offscreen and have fun. Mages like yourself mash more keys then me while they rage & run away. Then template whine in chat

Same old story.

 

[Viper09]

I got accused of cheating because I stole a stat scroll from someone and was able to out maneuver and escape them by hiding. I don't even use UOA. I don't deny that some people cheat and hack, however people definitely use it as a scapegoat to explain why they lose to someone, why they couldn't catch someone, etc a little too often.

 

[puni666]

This "cap" you speak of is ONLY achieved by people running these programs, it makes no sense to have it as high as it is.

Since you run the templates you just complained no one should die to, and run particularly faster than every other player, i would say your opinion is worth lots LOL.

This sure adds value to the game right?

BTW by your own thought process and statement you are "better player and better prepared" to run these programs, now the community can see why no one new is coming.

Lol, I've never run these templates. I just know where the crying is originating from. Once this pub's out I'll be back to running some sort of weaving nox dexer most likely. My pixies are going to be speed hacking everywhere.

 

[budman23]

Lol, I've never run these templates. I just know where the crying is originating from. Once this pub's out I'll be back to running some sort of weaving nox dexer most likely. My pixies are going to be speed hacking everywhere.

YOU stop to cast a spell? LOL!

 

[puni666]

YOU stop to cast a spell? LOL!

It's called timing. Everyone stops to cast spells. If there was a cheat out there that allowed you not to not stop and cast don't you think everyone YOU thought cheated would be using it? You're just in a poor spot when people decide to stop and cast. Or can't you be to blame?

 

[puni666]

Biscuits, I've been suckered in by a QQ'er! I've let my UO self go .

 

[budman23]

It's called timing. Everyone stops to cast spells. If there was a cheat out there that allowed you not to not stop and cast don't you think everyone YOU thought cheated would be using it? You're just in a poor spot when people decide to stop and cast. Or can't you be to blame?

The quote was meant to go against the fact as to how often you could be seen on any casting template, which is never.
Perhaps how you took it is a direct reflection of your character.

 

[RawHeadRex]

Someone is lying in this thread and the people who truly know them... know the truth.

 

[Zosimus]

Someone is lying in this thread and the people who truly know them... know the truth.

I know everything and I know nothing.

It's all speculation unless you have 100% truth which you do not. Suspect and facts are two different things. If you are going to troll a thread at least balls up and point the finger.


As I have said many factors can make one believe another is using such programs. Not all cheat but then again all cheat if half do. Pointless anyway. It's just a board warrior thread which needs closed anyway.

 

[RawHeadRex]

It's against this sites rules to point the finger. Like i said, people who know this person know they are lying. I won't comment on this again because instead of speaking my mind, people like you think it's trolling.

 

[Viper09]

I know everything and I know nothing.

It's all speculation unless you have 100% truth which you do not. Suspect and facts are two different things.


As I have said many factors can make one believe another is using such programs. Not all cheat but then again all cheat if half do. Pointless anyway. It's just a board warrior thread which needs closed anyway.

Well said.

 

[puni666]

I know everything and I know nothing.

It's all speculation unless you have 100% truth which you do not. Suspect and facts are two different things. If you are going to troll a thread at least balls up and point the finger.


As I have said many factors can make one believe another is using such programs. Not all cheat but then again all cheat if half do. Pointless anyway. It's just a board warrior thread which needs closed anyway.

Aye.