Awesome job Frodo. You really took your posting to a new level.
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I have read your posts and responded to them. You have failed to make a single point that hasn't been easily refuted by myself or others. Other than issues of personal taste, you have not made a single legitimate complaint regarding the EC that can't be explained by your own ignorance of in-game adjustable options.
If you don't like it just because you don't like it, that's the only reason you need to give and it's good enough for me. But proposing imagined shortcomings of the client based on your inexperience does no good for anyone, much in the same way that your latest post failed in the same way.
As I can't seem to get a single legitimate response out of you, much less any semblance or an intellectual debate, I think it's time to take the advise others have given me and just ignore you. If you can't put 5 minutes of thought into your posts to support your own damn opinion then you're pretty much useless to me.
Try them again and pay attention to what your reading this time.
Not inexperienced dude. Try reading them again.
Please do start ignoring my posts. Better yet add me to your Stratic's ignore list. Name is T, A, N, I, V, A, R. Your insults in place of valid arguments routine has gotten old.
I imagine I am being pretty useless to you, I'm not giving you opinions you can counter leaving you apparently down to tossing insults.
Gospel, let's indeed agree to end this 'discussion'. since you've refused to listen to any valid argument unless it's in favor of the EC. Your dragging it on & on and insisting I repeat things in response to your posts is showing there is no point in debating this.
Make another post so you have the last word and this waste of time can come to an end.
Hypocrisy is nauseating, "dude." It's amusing that you'd rather repeatedly refuse to debate and rather repeat the same diatribe post after post. You are afraid to post anything resembling legitimate argument out of fear you will be proven wrong. I've seen lots of Internet tough guys in my life, but an Internet coward is a rare treat indeed. Don't fret, at least you've got Lord Frodo to like your posts.Try them again and pay attention to what your reading this time.
Not inexperienced dude. Try reading them again.
Please do start ignoring my posts. Better yet add me to your Stratic's ignore list. Name is T, A, N, I, V, A, R. Your insults in place of valid arguments routine has gotten old.
I imagine I am being pretty useless to you, I'm not giving you opinions you can counter leaving you apparently down to tossing insults.
Gospel, let's indeed agree to end this 'discussion'. since you've refused to listen to any valid argument unless it's in favor of the EC. Your dragging it on & on and insisting I repeat things in response to your posts is showing there is no point in debating this.
Make another post so you have the last word and this waste of time can come to an end.
No I stooped down to your level to prove you wrong. Don't worry what Gospel say because he/she is always right and when proven wrong he/she just comes back with such whitty remarks.
I just can't look at players, avatars, call them what you will in the EC. Anytime I see a screen shot of an event on my shard (in the EC) , I think Oh God that looks disgusting. So that blob isn't me but the CC client blob is.
It's like waking up in hospital and looking in the mirror and seeing a hideous mess and the nurse saying "yeah but we organised your backpack for you!"
It's like waking up in hospital and looking in the mirror and seeing a hideous mess and the nurse saying "yeah but we organised your backpack for you!"
Rhetorics be damned, you activately puruse and promote removal of Classic Client with such devotion and zeal. Because of this, I assumed you must have some very clear and rosy idea of what will actually happen come the glorious day of it's removal from face of the Earth. Guess I was wrong though. Since you suddenly seem pretty sure CC's removal doesn't actually do any significant good to EC, why is it so important to see it gone? Surely we both can agree it's removal causes great deal of harm to significant portion of UO's remaining subscribers. Why is it so important to piss these people off in every turn if you don't even properly believe in the idea of the GOOD that follows such drastic measure?
Dermott of LS Yeah tis very difficult not to agree with most things you said. To me, most frustrating part in lack of EC's polish are the smallest of things. Out-of-box condition of default zoom, little more tweaked default UI, everything ordered neatly and rationally on screen with player using a wide screen monitor and 1920x1064 in mind...All of these would help the extrremely rare occasional newbie to give UO an actual change. With size and recources of dev team in mind..I'd feel a bit unfair if I bothered asking stuff like graphics of the whole thing, at least all mobile objects(namely PCs/NPCs) re-done and whatnot.. but stuff like zoom and UI of EC share the OH COME ON!!! - category together with issues like account managment and whatnot.
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This could have been my story.
I have been playing since 1999 till 2005 and returned in september 2012.
In the meanwhile I played wow, doac, forsaken world and god knows what.
BUT UO has always been my first love.. and I love how 2D is kinda anatomically correct.
As a rl horse lover, almost every 3d horse in whatever game has looked wrong, the lines are too sharp.
2d gives me a fairly rounded pony, which I love.
Apart from the graphics, uo cc is the client I love, the client of memories and nostalgia and the one who brought me back after all those years.
If cc gets thrown out of the window I will quit uo forever. Because then it isnt the game I used to play anymore.
I play the CC on my new Windows 8 machine.
And since we all know Windows 8 is shinier and newer then the old Windows 7 that seems to be your pipedream I guess my Win 8 CC wins.
Wtf was your point again with your ridiculous Windows comparison?
I'd have another user strictly for CC but I havet seen SevenOoooO in months post here ... kinda got me worried, too he is another stroke case.
I do hope he is just been too busy n rl.....
I do hope he is just been too busy n rl.....
I can't believe you tried a comparison like this to the CC & EC.
Microsoft isn't supporting 95 anymore because they wanted us to give them more money for their new operating systems, not because Windows 7 is better. Perhaps a few more bells & whistles that few people will ever use, but that they can call improvements. If you want to compare clients to windows, call the CC Windows 98 and the EC Vista. It's far more realistic. 
OI can't believe you tried a comparison like this to the CC & EC.
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This describes exactly what's been happening over the past few years...
We get die hard Jurassic Fanbois posting about "CC this and CC that", "Don't take my CC away. I love the CC client" and what happens? A few months later there off playing some other games with NICE GRAPHICS!
Meanwhile were stuck with a client that can't draw in new players and UO subscriptions continue to decline.
Absolute Madness and a recipe for failure.
"I have another one for the CC but can't find him"
Sorry but I can only laugh at that.@ LadyStorm I hope your friend is okay and you get in contact with him/her.
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^Since you chose to drop by and laugh at them wacky jurassics, you might as well reply to my previous post. Yesterday you were pretty much admitting it is unlikely anything good comes out of ditching CC. It's nice to see you've made it safely back to your own trench over night though.
Again, how is it up to CC to draw in new players ??= How is this not cross for EC to carry?
(ofc, in real world this is largely a question of which direction EA chooses to throw money and PR but hay. )
Again, how is it up to CC to draw in new players ??= How is this not cross for EC to carry?
(ofc, in real world this is largely a question of which direction EA chooses to throw money and PR but hay. )
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Flagg I already answered that rhetorical question (that anyone with half a brain could figure out for themselves) in post #27. Up until now you've been objective but now your starting to Troll so I'm done with you if you continue along this line. Dermott in his Finish the EC thread has also done a good job of summarizing things that could be done to improve the EC. It's not rocket science things that could be done to optimize the EC and get a client that looks good so Ultima Online can start attracting new players to replace the ones that leave.
Pinco has done much in the way of providing functionality.
Getting away from a client like the CC that has zero chance of bringing in new customers is a step in the right direction. The good that would come with dropping the CC would be the first step in focusing all resources on a client that has the potential to bring in new players. Consolidating whatever limited resources we have to one client only..one that has a future the EC would be a good thing.
Pinco has done much in the way of providing functionality.
Getting away from a client like the CC that has zero chance of bringing in new customers is a step in the right direction. The good that would come with dropping the CC would be the first step in focusing all resources on a client that has the potential to bring in new players. Consolidating whatever limited resources we have to one client only..one that has a future the EC would be a good thing.
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hasn't it just?
I think it's time to cool it down some.
I cant believe Im saying this I thought I could never get used to the enhanced client but slowly with pincos I used it moor and moor and recently my computer crashed and I had to reinstall all and have just realised after seeing the fantastic new fire beetle in the enhanced client I thought I would see if it had changed in the classic client and low and behold I had not even re installed the classic client on my computer and doubt I will ever put it on again.
I know that all the id quit if posts will probably follow but think if the programers could concentrate on one client maybe moor bugs would be finished.
the only downside to some people of getting rid of the classic client would be that all the easy cheat illegal programs could not be used any moor.
I know that all the id quit if posts will probably follow but think if the programers could concentrate on one client maybe moor bugs would be finished.
the only downside to some people of getting rid of the classic client would be that all the easy cheat illegal programs could not be used any moor.
If no one minds, I'd like to take this opportunity to increase my post count in a thread that will soon be locked and forgotten.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Thank you for your cooperation.
moor and moor.
I just worry that uo could be killed off and think that the teams resources would be better used on one client if they chose to close enhanced client I would gladly return to the classic client . it has nothing to do with forcing opinions just logical to not split what resources ea are putting into uo
Sorry, we're not going down that road again.
as above
no free speech on this board. it's run like the old politburo.
thanks for playing.
thanks for playing.
Yea bro! you tell'em! Give them some moor!
Personally, I am in favor of a background check and a three-day waiting period on speech.
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Those type of statements like in the locked thread only inflame and pit the community against each other and while I to like the ec at this time we need to come together not fight over something they have no plans of changing
The 'debate' is boring now. It's like watching fanboys debate PS3 vs. Xbox 360 endlessly or having an argument about whether you should use Google Chrome vs. Firefox. EA have decided to keep supporting both clients so that's the end of it. If they find it not viable to do so, they'll make the call one way or t'other.
By the way, you're not entitled to free speech here. Stratics is a private company and the boards are moderated at the mods' discretion which you agree to when signing up.
By the way, you're not entitled to free speech here. Stratics is a private company and the boards are moderated at the mods' discretion which you agree to when signing up.
Totally agree.
Free speech only protects you from censorship from the government. It does not protect you from private entities, who may censor whatever they want within their spheres' of influence (such as an online forum).
Now there remains the issue of what happens when there are no longer any public spaces, and all is privately controlled, thus nullifying the concept of free speech. But that's a more complicated discussion for a different venue (not UHall).
Now there remains the issue of what happens when there are no longer any public spaces, and all is privately controlled, thus nullifying the concept of free speech. But that's a more complicated discussion for a different venue (not UHall).
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