Which Client do you use?

[Lady Storm]

I am exclucively in CC not that EC is bad it with Pinco's little touches and the advantages make it nice. But and here is the rub... CC is the only one I CAN pkay.
With my stroke came alot of disadvantages that make life sooo much fun...not One is my sight.
EC has a very very blurry bakground and the art is not difined enough for me to work in it. After a few hours..... I walk away with eyes hurting and aheadache that would knock most of you of the planet.
I have tried all the "fixes" from petra on down have told me to try to make it stop... nope.
I understand the majority of you going to EC ...pinco's work is excelent and its been wanted by most to upgrade the graphics... when it boils down to it even if I ddint have the sight trouble I would remain in CC. Thats UO.... EC is a aboration of the game to please the masses.
EC your welcome to it.... just dont cut me down as I need to remain in CC.

 

[Tanivar]

As for the rest of your complaints though, you only have yourself to blame. You didn't learn to play UO in a day, and it's ridiculous you could judge a new client in that amount of time.

I don't have myself to blame and it was far more than a day dude. If you folks can't come up with valid reasons for your argument, just give up on it. It's starting to get pathetic.

 

[Gospel]

I don't have myself to blame and it was far more than a day dude. If you folks can't come up with valid reasons for your argument, just give up on it. It's starting to get pathetic.

All of my statements are entirely valid. A quick forum search on your point would illustrate that. But we do know that research is apparently not your strong point, don't we?

Amusing to see you question my arguments yet fail to even attempt to refute any of them. I challenge you to prove me wrong, this should be entertaining.

 

[Tanivar]

All of my statements are entirely valid. A quick forum search on your point would illustrate that. But we do know that research is apparently not your strong point, don't we?

Amusing to see you question my arguments yet fail to even attempt to refute any of them. I challenge you to prove me wrong, this should be entertaining.

Babble on. You refuse to accept anything as fact unless it favors the EC and will spout any gibberish to deny and discredit anyone to speaks less than praise for your cherished EC. I was amused by the arguments you folks were making and even amused by the insults to anyone who favors the CC. Now I've grown bored with your nonsense. Try me in the morning.

 

[Lord Frodo]

For the sake of comparsion...here's CC, unofficial fan art and EC all side by side. Sadly my character lacks a mare and doesn't lack enough hair..but eh!

OMG That EC just looks so GREAT.

 

[Lord Frodo]

Sorry but what qualifies you to judge which client ""feels" better?

It's laughable how many people refuse to use the EC based on complaints that are remedied by checking a box in the options in the default UI. How many times have I read that people can't stock vendors or trade with players or see the items in their bag on the EC so they don't play it? 3 clicks would turn all your bags into legacy containers identical to the CC ones, albeit scalable so it's even easier to view their contents.

So many people who zoom in and out looking for that crisp, clean, ancient CC look, completely overlooking the obvious fact that the graphics do not adjust with the zoom. There is a "sweet spot" for getting clear graphics on the EC, explained thoroughly in the EC forum, had you taken 5 minutes to look into it before casting your judgement.

To my knowledge, the only thing the CC does better than the EC, except the possible preference of graphic quality, is running scripts and looping UOA. I have played both clients for years each, and that is the only real advantage I can see the CC having. The rest of the complaints with the EC are all in the mind of the users, and all of them have a solution, should you put more than 10 minutes of standing in Luna into it.

As for the graphics issue, I can understand that. Visuals in many ways define a game and the positive or negative emotions we feel when looking at the screen are in a very real way affected by this. In my opinion, the EC does indeed need a graphical overhaul, and I don't think it's unreasonable to imagine there's a compromise point to be found that would please both parties.

As for the rest of your complaints though, you only have yourself to blame. You didn't learn to play UO in a day, and it's ridiculous you could judge a new client in that amount of time.

I look forward to your trolling and terrible arguments.

And here we have another

 

[Gospel]

Babble on. You refuse to accept anything as fact unless it favors the EC and will spout any gibberish to deny and discredit anyone to speaks less than praise for your cherished EC. I was amused by the arguments you folks were making and even amused by the insults to anyone who favors the CC. Now I've grown bored with your nonsense. Try me in the morning.

This is exactly what I expected. Excuses. Sucks being called out when you don't have a leg to stand on, doesn't it?

Any else care to refute my post? I'm all ears.

 

[RaDian FlGith]

Really? How would you know?

Aside from some tamables and a few other insignificant creatures...... nothing is different. So until you amass enough time in the EC.... you shouldn`t speak out of turn.

Apparently... you're blind. None of the mobs in the EC, to my knowledge, use the same graphics as the CC except in cases of newer creatures. The reason? The original 3D assets for UO that were used to render the original game mobs from were lost in Austin, TX during, as it is told, the move from Austin to EARS.

As to how anyone would know whether the EC graphics were modified 2D graphics, or say, that the original assets were lost... Devs have actually come on these boards and discussed some of these processes. For instance, there was a large discussion at one point about why the EC graphics weren't up to the par that they are in the CC simply because they had to be scaleable, and, of course, were not designed to be so. We also know that the models in the EC are still sprite-based, projected, essentially, on planes (simplistic explanation) rather than fully-detailed, active 3D models. We know this because we were told this by developers.

And when you take the information given by developers and then, I don't know, zoom in on certain assets in the EC, you realize the information to be true, because the closer you zoom in on a mob, the more you realize it's not a 3D asset in-game. As for the graphics, well, I mean, let's just say that the pictures of the revamped graphic tilesets Mesanna has shared with us would be completely unnecessary if the 2D graphics functioned just fine in the EC.

So... "How would you know?" Empirical evidence. But don't let a little thing like fact get in the way of a good, old fashioned trolling.

 

[RaDian FlGith]

I`m sorry but I have to say this....

Since the EC should not require an add on....LIKE UO ASSIST.............. OK,I got nothing after that,guess that says it all.

Yep... great job missing the entire point.

Before I pass you a box with your red, round nose and your pair of Bozo slippers, you might want to understand that I think the same thing of the CC. You should not require an add-on to make the client playable. Thing is... people have played on the CC for years without UOA. And, they have done things to enhance the CC over the past 15 years to make certain mundane tasks (ie: crafting) so that UOA was unnecessary. They could certainly do the same thing with the EC. In fact... contrary to your "ooh, let me find a little tidbit and run with it as though it means something different when taken completely out of context," I actually HOPE THAT THEY WILL do so.

Of course, you probably didn't see the part where I mentioend untapped potential.

I believe I hear Cookie calling you now though, so run along...

 

[Kirthag]

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And how many use the CC WITHOUT UOA?

I've been in UO since 1997 (off & on - a girl needs a break sometimes) and used UOA... for about 3 months in that entire time just to try it out. beh... I rather LIKE manually stacking my ores when I'm mining - gives me that sense of *gasp* ROLE PLAYING! When mining in Fel, there's that added sense of *gasp again* DANGER and yes, the pkers in the shards I play love me to death because I play Fel as I had back when my addiction to this world started - as a crafter. (Now bring back the bounty system for PKers and I'll be 100%! but that's another thread...).

And personally, the EC is nice - but - now bash me senseless - I prefer the CC's UI. Yeah, there are settings I can hunt out to change container display to the original layout (for I likes to organize mah bags the way I likes it! - I STILL hide bags under books!). However, call it nostalgia, the CC just takes me back in time when life (and UO) was ... full of my friends and family.

Now, granted I've moved from my original shard to the shard I have called home since 2000 - but I still log into ATL once in a while and gawk at everything like a noob (especially since my toon is... noobish!).

Like others who are vested & mature in gaming (played D&D before it was cool) - I like change, but not just for the sake of change. And like others who have experienced health issue (another stroke victim here) and their sight just isn't happy with all of the other games out there with graphic engines that just - forgive me - look like a Picasso painting blurred out too much - the CC is a godsend! I can still ride the roads, hunt a stray dragon, and craft myself senseless without having a migraine (altho I still gotta wear these dorky glasses!).

Mostly, especially during events, I will use the CC. It is less taxing on my old computer (yeah, I need a new one) and I can keep up with the fray on Napa. I can even outrun the occassional PKer (suppose they are sleep walking) and get mah butt back to a gate in time to save what resources I've gathered. The EC is "okay", but just doesn't grab me like the CC does.

Is it UI? Is it graphics? Is it nostalgia?

M'thinks is all three.

As a software developer myself (ecommerce software issa pancake) I understand what the dev team is faced with. I'm sure EA penny-pincers are watching how many people use what client (easy enough to track how many patches are connecting for what) and eventually they will make an executive decision to put all resources on one or the other. Maybe they will release the license for the CC *cough, sputter, cough* so those shards-we-are-not-suppose-to-talk-about won't be illegal and peeps can do with it as they will while EA/Mythic then dedicates themselves (and their oh-so-precious) resources to a UI/Graphics/Gameplay balanced ULTIMA ONLINE that will once again be BOSS in the genre.

Or EA can make nice with RG again. ^.^

In any case - we have what we have. After 15 years (omg...) we all must love something about it (graphics, UI, peeps, events, pixel-addiction, no-life, whateveh) that keeps us coming back and paying when there is a cloud-serving-virtual-world-of-galaxies out there to lure us away.

And I should know, I've contributed to a few of those Facebook games people mention - and yes... transaction based gaming with your friends is a formula the UO team REALLY MUST LOOK INTO!

Sidebar: Now, if I could play UO on mah iPad, on & off-line... oh-ehm-geezers.... I'd never get any work done!

 

[Mitzlplik_LS]

Whatever differences there are in a visual aspect is meaningless compared to functionality. But I don`t care, if some are happy making 50k more clicks to do a 100 click thing on a postage stamp,than more power to ya. Fact is,splitting small resources between 2 clients is part of what holds both clients back. Must be a freekin nightmare for the devs.

With zoom and graphic settings and other pinco settings it could be adjusted to be very good looking and smooth running (like it is for me)....but no hater worth their salt will ever wade into the option tab, heck no! I can tell just by replies who has and hasn`t givin it an honest try and actually tried to use/learn the EC/pinco`s. Their mind is made up before they even try it. So have fun on the postage stamp cause i could care less.

One good thing about this thread is I get to add a couple more people to my ignore list. So your rants and personal attacks fall on deaf ears. :loser:

I`ll continue to happily play the EC and support Pinco and will continue to think that the CC is a huge reason why things are the way they are and I`ll also continue to blame the so called jurassic`s for the EC`s lack of hi res detail. Since it had to be dumbed down so people with 15 year old machines and 32mb integrated vid cards could run it.

 

[NuSair]

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This is a video driver issue. Make sure that you have a clean install of the EC as well as the latest drivers of your video card. If you're still having problems, send a Bug Report with the problem and your video card model and drivers used. However, a simple video card driver update will most likely solve this issue.

It is not a driver issue. I use an NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT.

I appreciate the post, but I know what I am doing and have done all of that multiple times.

 

[Mitzlplik_LS]

It is not a driver issue. I use an NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT.

I appreciate the post, but I know what I am doing and have done all of that multiple times.

I had a similar problem where only on one of my accounts my chat bar would have a bazzillion chat tabs and if I dragged the chat bar up my screen it would auto create a bazzilion more and extend from the top of the screen all the way to the bottom. I just deleted the profile for that char and restarted the game and everything was fine again. Had to remake all my hotbars and such but it took care of the problem. If ya don`t want to uninstall and reinstall I would just delete the char folder or folders and try that.

 

[Flagg]

Whatever differences there are in a visual aspect is meaningless compared to functionality. But I don`t care, if majority some are happy making 50k more clicks to do a 100 click thing on a postage stamp,than more power to ya.

Fixed it for you

Whatever diffrences there are in functionality are ultimately meaningless when compared to overall atmosphere and feel I get from the client.So EC fills my BODs so I don't have to, covers virtually all of UOA's functions in pretty sophisticated fashion, offers a pretty good minimap and makes babies with my GF on my behalf. How much do you think all of this matters if thoughts such as.....
Ok, my char is not supposed to look like that. My pals aren't supposed to look like that. I'm not supposed to look like that when I'm moving and my loyal blue beetle most assuredly doesn't actually look anything like that!!! All of this is touch WRONG!
......are strong enough? Ofc, such thoughts are always highly subjective things to feeeeel. However, when majority of community kinda shares ones much like them, I'm not sure if it is such a good idea to harbor all this passive agressive bitterness towards community for " making EC fail" If it is really so necessary to bark, do so at the right tree mayhaps?

Even those favoring EC agree getting it properly operational takes some work. You need to take a stroll through couple of How-to threads at Stratistics, learn about Pinco's add-on, figure out how to install it, figure out how to tweak it properly.. etc etc etc. Many here love to dismiss it with some " ehhhhh spend 10 mins and.." type of remarks. Sure, for a scarred battle hardened UO vet who has good idea of what he/she wants to do there isn't anything overly tedious or complex to it. However,what does this situation look like when you look at it from POV of some completely new player who doesn't know much about UO, just downloaded the free client and is just figuring things out? First impressions are endlessly important. I recon virtually all of these people try Enhanced Client and only Enchaned Client. How does the world look when such genuine newborn newbie looks at it through eyes of EC? " Alright! The UI seems bit of a mess and does surely require a touch work but, for soooooth, I recognize the potential. Time to head out and learn how to mod and adjust it. I wonder what the magic number for 1024 reso is so my eyes can stop bleeding?" Or does, perhaaaps, such person usually rather go " Ehh? Meh.*log out* "


If " New to UO? TRY IT FOR FREE!!! Window featured " Download Client" - buttons that had pictures of Ford T model and Ford Escort from 1989 instead of UO logos saying " Classic Client" and " Enhanced Client" the game would have few hundred more players. I'm being perfectly serious with this;l

 

[Mitzlplik_LS]

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Bark at the right tree mister.

Oh I am.

 

[Lord Frodo]

Whatever differences there are in a visual aspect is meaningless compared to functionality.

Now this is really funny. We are suppose to play a game we can't stand to look at all just because you think it is meaningless. I am glad that you ignore list is growing, it just show how chicken you are to respond to people that do not agree with you. Soon you will only see %40 of the posters on UOStratics. Lets close down %63 used client users just so the %37 client users can come on here and whine thast UO has shut down.

 

[Mitzlplik_LS]

Now this is really funny. We are suppose to play a game we can't stand to look at all just because you think it is meaningless. I am glad that you ignore list is growing, it just show how chicken you are to respond to people that do not agree with you. Soon you will only see %40 of the posters on UOStratics. Lets close down %63 used client users just so the %37 client users can come on here and whine thast UO has shut down.

Well your not on my ignore and I don`t agree with you. Maybe because you left the personal flames out of it eh?

As for majority.... its a flawed poll since the biggest percentage pf ppl who play do not play uhall. I think theres alot more who use EC than who post here. I think its a mindset. It took me years to finally give the EC a shot,I`ve spent plenty of time mocking EC users and in the end,once I played it for a week and than never looked back..... I don`t see the difference, I don`t miss the CC and my life is better for it. So if some minor graphic differences is all it takes to keep you or anyone else in the dark ages... more power to ya.

Thats what I find funny.

Also what is funny is this majority you speak of is based on a poll consisting of 98 votes.

Truly funny right there.

 

[Flagg]

Well your not on my ignore and I don`t agree with you. Maybe because you left the personal flames out of it eh?

As for majority.... its a flawed poll since the biggest percentage pf ppl who play do not play uhall. I think theres alot more who use EC than who post here. I think its a mindset. It took me years to finally give the EC a shot,I`ve spent plenty of time mocking EC users and in the end,once I played it for a week and than never looked back..... I don`t see the difference, I don`t miss the CC and my life is better for it. So if some minor graphic differences is all it takes to keep you or anyone else in the dark ages... more power to ya.

Thats what I find funny.

Also what is funny is this majority you speak of is based on a poll consisting of 98 votes.

Truly funny right there.

Generally speaking parts of MMO community (or community around any other hobby for that matter) that are involved enough to end up in threads and discussions like these are the..enthusiasts, no? They are the ones so into their hobby they like to keep tabs on what is going on with it, what is new, what is coming and so forth. With this in mind I recon stratics users are, by default, more likely to know and use EC than casual UO players who don't care much of community, dev posts, forum wars and rather just occasionally log to game and do their thing now and then. How could this not be? Is Stratics not the main hub for info, guides and downloads having to do with EC and how to manage it? So surely Stratic user is much more likely to know about and think highly of EC than an UO player who does not browse the Forums.

How many people you recon world has who are genuinely interested and/or involved in what is happening on OSI servers of Ultima Online? 7k?14k?21k? With scale we are dealing with in mind, 100 people makes a perfectly fine sample group really.

 

[Petra Fyde]

I haven't voted.
In our house there are 2 people playing. I use EC, my husband uses CC.
We don't argue over it. I don't try to persuade him to play the client I use, he doesn't try to persuade me to use the client he uses.
We just play the darn game.

 

[Flagg]

I haven't voted.
In our house there are 2 people playing. I use EC, my husband uses CC.
We don't argue over it. I don't try to persuade him to play the client I use, he doesn't try to persuade me to use the client he uses.
We just play the darn game.

Tis a proof of a healthy marriage In world where people kill their better halves over disagreements about Walking Dead episodes, 2 different UO clients crammed in 1 marriage could well be a literal declaration of war;o

 

[Grace of Minoc]

I returned in March 2012, after taking a break about Dec 2008.

Went to download game on my new computer and was given choice of Classic Client or Enhanced Client.

Of course I downloaded the Enhanced Client thinking great an "enhanced client"

Oh my, what in the world? Where is my UO? Where did it go??? What happened to everything??? Was a travesty in the way it looked.

Played it for several hours thinking they must have done this for a reason, but it just didn't feel like home.

Downloaded Classic Client and was Home again!!! Got rid of that "enhanced client" no need for that to take up space on my compy.

Most "new" players are actually returning players (yes there are brand new players too)

If UO did not leave "the light on" ie the Classic Client, I would have not been playing again now for a year straight and spending way too much cash at the ea store along with the monthly fees.

 

[Cetric]

I am thinking that no one uses the zoom option in the EC,at least the ones who complain about bad graphics or pixelation. Tap the zoom out button a cple times and its nice and crisp. I am also thinking that a very small percentage of people who say they try the EC ( and hate it) do not put any time into it or figuring it out or tweakin the miriad of settings it offers. Instead just fire it up,look for 5 minutes and log out. I see lots of comments on other threads about wish it had this or that and..... it does already,lol. Perfect example.

As far as that pic goes.... zoomed out just a tad beyond default..... looks just like it.

And as for lag from another poster up top..... play with your settings.... unless your on a 900mgz p3 than nevermind. I play Siege as well and I can run 5 accounts at the same time. Helps alot when no ones around for a circle.

I put in days trying to get last target mouse wheeling scrolling to work correctly, then a dev confirmed he udnerstood the overcasting issue i submitted a bug report on. Then it just sat there unfixed.

I don't feel like digging up the old thread, but i could explain the issue again if i had to. Anyways, i didn't care for the graphics, and my macros felt slow and cumbersome in EC.

I couldn't hardly actually spot players in the game, like every moving creatures camera angle looked different than the landscape around it, and everything seems to jsut glide around the screen rather than run/walk.

 

[Grace of Minoc]

I put in days trying to get last target mouse wheeling scrolling to work correctly, then a dev confirmed he udnerstood the overcasting issue i submitted a bug report on. Then it just sat there unfixed.

I don't feel like digging up the old thread, but i could explain the issue again if i had to. Anyways, i didn't care for the graphics, and my macros felt slow and cumbersome in EC.

I couldn't hardly actually spot players in the game, like every moving creatures camera angle looked different than the landscape around it, and everything seems to jsut glide around the screen rather than run/walk.

The gliding thing, and they went out of their way to make males look good and females look horrid.

 

[Lady Storm]

You all are arguing over something very moot.....
Its not a point of who is EC and who is CC. If the point of this ittle endevor was to point out to the Dev that more are in EC so EC gets more time in the development area... you forget one thing... Not every person in UO (cover your ears and eyes Petra) reads or uses Stratics. Which makes this survey unbalanced. I have met many who never have even loged in to check out the very helpfull data base. Now that is a odd thing but its true.
So going by what is said here is pretty much by opinion... not facts.
Arguing over which is better served by the Dev's attention is not helping the over all game.
Ladys and Gentimmen we all have our prefrence and needs of which ever client we use. Stop the bickering.
Petra and her hubby have it right.... use what you like and let others do their thing.

 

[Lord Frodo]

Well your not on my ignore and I don`t agree with you. Maybe because you left the personal flames out of it eh?

Maybe you should look in a mirror b4 you say anything about personal flames. But that is ok because us CC users have thicker skin and can take it.

 

[Gospel]

The gliding thing, and they went out of their way to make males look good and females look horrid.

You've gotta be kidding me. I wonder if you were able to type this with a straight face. This is dev hate to a whole new level. I can just imagine them sitting around a conference room saying "ok guys, I think what would really benefit us is to make the males look good and the females really crappy." Well done seeing through the conspiracy!

Cetric, I have used the mouse wheel last target macro since I started playing EC. It works fine for me. MW Up for last target, MW Down for target self. I don't know wether it might be a hardware issue on your end or if you just didn't set it up properly. I do think its amusing that you paged a GM about it though.

Lord Frodo, I've seen you post intellectual and well written posts before. When did you start exclusively trolling? I know you can do better than that and raising valid points will earn you a lot more respect than witty put downs and veiled insults. See my post a page or two back? Your "team" failed to respond to it, in my opinion because they can't argue it. Perhaps you could attempt to refute some or all of my points rather than insult people and bring nothing to the table yourself.

 

[Gospel]

Generally speaking parts of MMO community (or community around any other hobby for that matter) that are involved enough to end up in threads and discussions like these are the..enthusiasts, no? They are the ones so into their hobby they like to keep tabs on what is going on with it, what is new, what is coming and so forth. With this in mind I recon stratics users are, by default, more likely to know and use EC than casual UO players who don't care much of community, dev posts, forum wars and rather just occasionally log to game and do their thing now and then. How could this not be? Is Stratics not the main hub for info, guides and downloads having to do with EC and how to manage it? So surely Stratic user is much more likely to know about and think highly of EC than an UO player who does not browse the Forums.

How many people you recon world has who are genuinely interested and/or involved in what is happening on OSI servers of Ultima Online? 7k?14k?21k? With scale we are dealing with in mind, 100 people makes a perfectly fine sample group really.

I have no problem with the sample group. It's the same as the last 20 or so people that put this same stupid poll up trying to prove a point. Here's the problem. No, Stratics is not "the hub" or whatever nonsense you claimed. Most people I play with in game refuse to post here due to the nature of the "community" and the selective moderation. There is UO Forums, where I would warrant a larger majority play the EC, there is UO Craft, UO Guide, etc. Stratics may be the oldest, but that kind of goes with the old school mentality that many CC players hold.

The real point is that the results of this poll are completely pointless, and your posting of it equally so. What results did you expect to find that weren't in the last 20 identical posts? Or did you just want your turn at having the hot thread of the week? What exactly drove you to create yet another of these threads that couldn't be solved by reading the last several?

I sincerely hope you have a better answer than "you missed the point," "you're a troll," "fanboy," etc but I won't hold my breath.

 

[Mitzlplik_LS]

Maybe you should look in a mirror b4 you say anything about personal flames. But that is ok because us CC users have thicker skin and can take it.

Good,playing on wut you guys play on..... u need it.

 

[Tanivar]

Ladys and Gentimmen we all have our prefrence and needs of which ever client we use. Stop the bickering.
Petra and her hubby have it right.... use what you like and let others do their thing.

Your right Lady Storm, but with the ongoing attempts to get rid of the CC, someone has to speak in it's defense. If all the EA people who might stop in to UO Stratics read are EC fans declarations that the continued existence of the CC has corrupted the minds of billions, will bring modern human civilization to an end, and wipe mankind from the earth as it clearly did to the dinosaurs 65 million years ago, so on and so forth, someone at EA might decide to shut down the CC because no one speaks for it, only against it. If we want to have the freedom to use the client we prefer, the CC, we have to protect it. Fortunately given the arguments used against it it's fairly easy, but it does have to be done. Like with Freedom, if no one protects it, it will be gone.

 

[Tanivar]

The real point is that the results of this poll are completely pointless, and your posting of it equally so. What results did you expect to find that weren't in the last 20 identical posts? Or did you just want your turn at having the hot thread of the week? What exactly drove you to create yet another of these threads that couldn't be solved by reading the last several?

If the poll numbers had favored the EC you'd be on a soapbox ranting how it proves the EC is winning out over the CC.

Why are the numbers different this time though? The past polls typically ran about half and half. Why the sudden shift to heavily in favor of the CC?

 

[Flagg]

I have no problem with the sample group. It's the same as the last 20 or so people that put this same stupid poll up trying to prove a point. Here's the problem. No, Stratics is not "the hub" or whatever nonsense you claimed. Most people I play with in game refuse to post here due to the nature of the "community" and the selective moderation. There is UO Forums, where I would warrant a larger majority play the EC, there is UO Craft, UO Guide, etc. Stratics may be the oldest, but that kind of goes with the old school mentality that many CC players hold.

The real point is that the results of this poll are completely pointless, and your posting of it equally so. What results did you expect to find that weren't in the last 20 identical posts? Or did you just want your turn at having the hot thread of the week? What exactly drove you to create yet another of these threads that couldn't be solved by reading the last several?

I sincerely hope you have a better answer than "you missed the point," "you're a troll," "fanboy," etc but I won't hold my breath.

So to wrap your post up..
* Stratics is not a major hub for UO community because UO Forums and because UO Guide, UO Craft and because of Reasons and because Stratics is apparently really bad place to be?
* Large majority of everybody except people who read Stratics propably always use EC everywhere all the time.
* Stratics users are actually hive mind of some seperated unique case of Old School mentality that makes them entiely different from rest of UO community. Surely nobody but Stratics users who are playing 15++ year old MMO has such mentality.
* Poll and my posts are all completely stupid and pointless (Which, apparently is "the real point")
* There are 20 identical active recent threads out there

Thank you for this valuable contribution.
The sum of all parts is that it almost appears this thread for some not all that mysterious reason causes major agony in your nether regions and clearly this thread is full of text and results that are extremely unpleasant for you to read. You don't have to do any of this It's O.K Specially if you have such strong dislike on Stratics community as a whole.

It is good to have this conversation every now and then.. and I recon many agree it is interesting to see what Client UO community is using. As mentioned in OP, it'd be great to get some extremely accurate numbers on this from Mythic. In abcense of those, all kinds of " POINTLESS polls in TERRIBLE web siites like Statics that surely don't in any way offer any kind of representation of people who play UO on OSI shards is the next best thing.

Your right Lady Storm, but with the ongoing attempts to get rid of the CC, someone has to speak in it's defense. If all the EA people who might stop in to UO Stratics read are EC fans declarations that the continued existence of the CC has corrupted the minds of billions, will bring modern human civilization to an end, and wipe mankind from the earth as it clearly did to the dinosaurs 65 million years ago, so on and so forth, someone at EA might decide to shut down the CC because no one speaks for it, only against it. If we want to have the freedom to use the client we prefer, the CC, we have to protect it. Fortunately given the arguments used against it it's fairly easy, but it does have to be done. Like with Freedom, if no one protects it, it will be gone.

Tanivar I'd guess you have no reason to worry on that regard.. Mythic doesn't need Stratics polls to get very accurate data on this. I think it is always possible Stratics users, in fact, are not some extremely unique isolated case of people greatly differing from NORMAL UO PLAYERS as Gospels' exiting and colorful theory implies. In case this is the case, then what Mythic people see when reading what server side of business feeds them is approx the same message as one this poll has.

Something all can prolly agree on is that the current situation is an unfortunate deadlock from POV of Mythic; community isn't in a position where getting rid of either of the clients were an option they could really consider. Which prolly means the nightmare situation where their already limited-in-size dev team has to keep supporting two clients continues in distant future.

 

[MalagAste]

If the poll numbers had favored the EC you'd be on a soapbox ranting how it proves the EC is winning out over the CC.

Why are the numbers different this time though? The past polls typically ran about half and half. Why the sudden shift to heavily in favor of the CC?

Because more and more people are quitting UO. Because many of those were EC users tired of waiting for the HR updates that never were coming and promises of "fixes" for the things that the EC can't see.... which haven't come.... and improvements to the client that were long promised but again never came... so fed up they quit.

Lack of support, lack of customer Support for games and account management = less players and less EC users who have moved on to prettier games.



Oh and I guess I could add a whole lot less people who read or post on stratics, not that a vast majority of players read or post here anyway and even less take the polls.

 

[Mitzlplik_LS]

LOL I bet theres more ppl playing Oceania at 4am than the amount who`s taken this poll. What are we up to now 108 Woooooo weee! Some super accurate info flowing there thats truly representative of the population of all shards .

This poll was just a veiled troll thread,just like all the others that pop up every month or so.

 

[Flagg]

LOL I bet theres more ppl playing Oceania at 4am than the amount who`s taken this poll. What are we up to now 108 Woooooo weee! Some super accurate info flowing there thats truly representative of the population of all shards .

This poll was just a veiled troll thread,just like all the others that pop up every month or so.

Are all posts and threads you disagree with trolling..or only most? Since your own remarks are busy dwindlign down towards snarly one liner remarks and calling people randomly trolls, maybe it is an idea to make good out of your highly dramatic threat few pages back and leave the thread at peace hmhm?

 

[Storm]

I like the original poll/post I am always curious who is doing or using what, Why does it always have to degrade into us vs them? I support the EC as most of you know but I also believe in having CC as a option also! lets play nice together because nobody wins if we fight... just saying

 

[GreywolfUK]

Everyone has their own opinion as to which is the better client, what both camps seem to forget, IT IS UO, does it really matter what client a player uses, we all play UO, so stop the pancakes and do what we love to do PLAY UO.

 

[Madrid]

I like the original poll/post I am always curious who is doing or using what, Why does it always have to degrade into us vs them? I support the EC as most of you know but I also believe in having CC as a option also! lets play nice together because nobody wins if we fight... just saying

It's quite simple really. With one of the clients, the EC (gamebryo client that powers RIFT) UO has a future with the other client the CC 1992 game engine there is no future. What do you want to support with limited resources a client that has a future or doesn't have a future. CC's track record, while it has it's jurassic fanbois, has proven that it cannot draw in new subscribers.


The one client is holding back the other. There is no way that the CC client is going to attract new players. If the CC client was able was able to attract new players Ultima Online wouldn't be in the state where it only continues to lose subscribers because new players would replace/replenish those that leave.

UO is in a downward spiral as a direct result of maintaining an archaic 15+ game client. If focus was centered on optimizing the EC client and getting some nice graphics into it then it creates the ability to draw in new subscribers.

No one is going to look at UO on youtube or any game website in it's current state and give it a try.

"Continued support of the classic client is UO's mortal wound!" is why it ends up being us vs. them. There is zero future in the classic client.

 

[Mitzlplik_LS]

Are all posts and threads you disagree with trolling..or only most? Since your own remarks are busy dwindlign down towards snarly one liner remarks and calling people randomly trolls, maybe it is an idea to make good out of your highly dramatic threat few pages back and leave the thread at peace hmhm?

Nope,just the same ones posted repeatedly about the same this versus that. Its obvious. No where else have I said someone was trolling,so nice try..... now here, *throws a dead rat* eat troll and be satisfied as you have been exposed.

Madrids got it right and I couldn`t add much to anything he has already said.

 

[Gospel]

What I sincerely don't understand is why CC users specifically are so quick to turn it into a CC vs EC battle. It happens every time. I don't care if they like the CC, knock yourself out if that works for you. I use both clients and I am not nearly as biased as some of our less intelligent posters would like to insinuate.

I know that the majority of the complaints about the EC are directly related to poor understanding of the user interface options. Not all of course, but easily the majority.

Some may like the "feel" of the CC, and that's fine. It's a game and its meant to be enjoyed. Do it the way you enjoy it the most, no one should have the ability to remove that option from you.

Madrid puts it as clearly as it can be said. The CC does not have a future with new players. The CC does not attract new players nor does it welcome them with even the simplest of conveniences that have become commonplace in modern gaming. It's old, it's bad. I can totally understand why someone who has played it for years would still love it though. If I picked up my NES Mario 3 cartridge and it turns incompletely changed with things I'm not familiar or comfortable with, I would be enraged.

I think we understand everyone's opinions. I think many of them are valid. Now perhaps instead of repeating yourselves and trying to find the best ways to insult each other without getting an infraction, maybe you could think of a solution to the division of our community like adults.

I think it 100% possible to create a client that would please the majority of people here. Even a combination of both current clients would be a step forward. What I would like to hear, rather than childish insults and us vs them attitudes, is how we could find that middle ground and make something that works for all of us.

 

[Gospel]

If the poll numbers had favored the EC you'd be on a soapbox ranting how it proves the EC is winning out over the CC.

Why are the numbers different this time though? The past polls typically ran about half and half. Why the sudden shift to heavily in favor of the CC?

Hey yeah, cool post. Very topical and all that. I openly challenged you to refute the points raised in my post last night. You made an excuse and backed out. I challenge you again. Same post, same challenge. You have my word I will listen to every counterpoint you make if you can actually make one.

Please stop making these ridiculous little jab posts and debate like an adult. That's all I am asking. If you intend to dodge my challenge yet again with another excuse, perhaps you should consider yourself bested and find another thread to troll.

 

[Madrid]

The comparison between the CC and the EC is much akin to comparing operating systems. You have a group of people supporting Windows 95 and then a group of people supporting Windows 7.

We have players who enjoy the Windows 95 (because that's all they know and are familiar with) trying to convince the Windows 7 supporters that the Windows 95 has more functionality and that there is a future in Windows 95.

Some players just aren't willing to change from the Windows 95 OS to the Windows 7.

There's no future in Windows 95 folks...none.

You think Microsoft is still supporting Windows 95?

 

[Flagg]

Madrid

The one client is holding back the other. There is no way that the CC client is going to attract new players. If the CC client was able was able to attract new players Ultima Online wouldn't be in the state where it only continues to lose subscribers because new players would replace/replenish those that leave.

I'm pretty sure significant majority of people genuinely new to UO that end up on OSI at least initially start by using Enhanced Client. I assume we can agree on this much? So in that sense it isnt up to Classic Client to " Attract new players" anymore. That is on EC's turf. How would you say EC is doing in this regard? Two thumbs up?
Of course, it is because EC's massive potential is UNTAPPED due to chains Classic Client keeps on UO, yeah?

Okay, so let us imagine Mythic comes to realize the very popular, very well loved Classic Client is actually holding UO and it's loyal playerbase back. They make your day and completely erase Classic CLient tomorrow, thusly unchaining the potential of Gamebyro-based Engine,OF RIFT FAME!

What does this, in your hopes and thoughts, do to EC? Genuinely curious to hear this. You want it to happen so badly I'm sure you got very well build day after fantasies of this;p So please share them. Now that Mythic's extremely scarce resources are free of the parasite that is CC, in what way do you visualize it unchains the massive potential chained within Enhanced Client? What sort of a sleeping dragon awakens now? What are the massive improvements and changes that suddenly become possible with UO's current dev team? Does UO suddenly change into entirely new game running genuine 3d graphics&3d world, such as Rift or TOR or WoW or whatever? Who..you know, makes this game? Or is EC client(based of Gamebyro of Rift fame!) some sort of skynet like self-aware construct that builds the game itself?

 

[Dermott of LS]

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OMG That EC just looks so GREAT.

The terrain of the EC image looks fine, the reduced resolution of everything on top of it... not so much.

 

[Madrid]

Flagg

What should be done if the EC wasn't being shackled by the CC is a rherotical question. You know the answer to that as does anyone with half a brain.

"What can be done with the current team?" That's certainly where you got me.

What should happen, what will happen and what could happen are all different things, as is what could have happened.

That ship has probably sailed long ago. Right now we have a ship that's left it's port and is sailing towards a cliff unless someone turns the boat in another direction. That's the reality folks. As more time goes by UO isn't attract more players it's the opposite and nothing has been done to change that.

Given the resources it's unlikely anything will ever happen and Ultima Online will one day go off the cliff. I'm pretty sure I'll still be here when it does but I won't be happy about it as I'm a firm believer it could have been avoided.

Past leadership and short sightedness are to blame, as it the playerbase for sabtoaging efforts to improve and modernize UO as well as EA for not offering more support for the Ultima Franchise (which will always have a world of potential).

Add to that the current leadership of 2D Messana I'm going to venture to guess she is also a die hard jurassic. So the rest of the jurrassic should remain calm and confident that nothing will ever change and the CC client will be there indefinately because you have 2D Mesanna in your corner.

I'm pretty sure Mesanna was a major force in nixing KR. This is pure conjecture on my part. Maybe Mesanna can see the forest for the trees, I would hope so as the lead producer and Matriarch of the game she would be looking out for the future but I have my doubts.

Even if Mesanna can see the big picture (which I doubt) the resources don't appear to be there to do anything about it.

So because of past decisions, the economy, and current resources were a ship that's left port sailing towards a cliff.

Doomy! Gloomy!

 

[Tanivar]

Same post, same challenge. You have my word I will listen to every counterpoint you make if you can actually make one.

Challenge accepted Gospel. Start by simply rereading my posts in this thread, then go to my profile page and read the last thirty or so posts concerning this topic. Why repeat so much when it's already been posted? This time just don't tune out the facts that don't favor the EC as you read through the posts. Actually do listen this time as you just said you would, and I win your challenge.

 

[Dermott of LS]

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What does this, in your hopes and thoughts, do to EC? Genuinely curious to hear this. You want it to happen so badly I'm sure you got very well build day after fantasies of this;p So please share them. Now that Mythic's extremely scarce resources are free of the parasite that is CC, in what way do you visualize it unchains the massive potential chained within Enhanced Client? What sort of a sleeping dragon awakens now? What are the massive improvements and changes that suddenly become possible with UO's current dev team? Does UO suddenly change into entirely new game running genuine 3d graphics&3d world, such as Rift or TOR or WoW or whatever? Who..you know, makes this game? Or is EC client(based of Gamebyro of Rift fame!) some sort of skynet like self-aware construct that builds the game itself?

There is a post I made a couple years ago linked in my sig. That should hold the answer to your question. That the points in that post are still unaddressed is not a failing of the EC, but a failing of EA/Mythic/Bioware/Managers/Devs, whoever in not doing more to support and grow the client.

I support the EC... well, let me go even further, I support ANY Client that advances the game on a technological level. However, that does NOT mean that I think the EC is in any way "perfect" or that it would be this amazing thing simply because they shut down the CC. I can ravage the quality of the EC as well as if not more viciously than any non-EC player/poster here. I can nitpick it inside and out and I STILL find it to be a better client on the whole.

However, instead of retyping everything I typed in that years ago post here, I can sum up the BIGGEST problem the EC and every client UO up to and including the CC has had and it's simply the lack of finishing what has been started. That has been UO's biggest problem from the very beginning. Regardless to whom you chalk the blame, the problem has remained the same for 15+ years and shows no sign of changing any time soon.

 

[Lady Storm]

I will say this once more this time with a little more feeling................
:whip:
I own 53 active accounts............ Thats how much $$ cabbage in rl??
I CANT USE EC
There fore if we drop the CC....
YOU CAN KISS MY $$$$ BYE BYE..... (NO you cant have my stuff.. i'd distroy it. Sorry the UOecconomy is bad enough with out my Billions worth of junk making it worse)
I cant take the headaches EC gives me ... I have tried so many times to use it but when it gives me a monster headache that lasts for 3 to 5 days or longer you stop using it.
Not to mention the eye strain and beleave you me that is very bad... the stroke made the right side forget to blink.. and if I am so concentrated on the screen to see it I dont blink!
Dry eye of the worse kind...
Now I will not talk bad about the EC. It has its use's and many do seem to like all the stuff the Dev and Pinco have made to make it a great thing to use.
But for my and others sake drop the yelling and screaming about getting rid of CC.
UO launched in this antique CC. I am beta and beleave in leaving the game as it was... didnt want tram didnt want to loose the rights of houseing ... hell the game has changed enough for you all, so leave my tiny corner alone.
Please.

 

[Prince Erik]

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And how many use the CC WITHOUT UOA?

Me.

Actually the KR client was my favorite - I truly did like it a lot. I've tried the EC but it didn't stick for some reason. I should give it another try with this Pinco interface one of these days and see how it goes.

-PE

 

[Lord Frodo]

What I sincerely don't understand is why CC users specifically are so quick to turn it into a CC vs EC battle. It happens every time.

:loser: OMG this is so funny. Should we see who really threw the first stone. It sure aint no CC user.

One client (the CC) is holding the entire game back and "continued suppport of the classic client is UO's mortal wound".

If UO was flooded with people then I wouldn't have a leg to stand on but the CC client and the EC in it's current state Ultima Online is unable to attract new players.

The reason the EC is in the sorry shape it's tailor made to attract the CC users to make the switch.

I'd rather see ALL of the CCers hit the road and have a chance at attracting new players by bringing the EC client to full froth than continue having 2 clients.

I'll be breaking out champagne if the day ever comes where the decision is made to trash that ****** CC client.:gun:

So the CC users started all this BS. YOU SO FUNNY.

 

[Dermott of LS]

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Me.

Actually the KR client was my favorite - I truly did like it a lot. I've tried the EC but it didn't stick for some reason. I should give it another try with this Pinco interface one of these days and see how it goes.

-PE

Hey! Don't YOU get into this too! You're still around even? Drop me a note sometime here, ICQ whatever and let me know what's up. If you need any help with the EC, also let me know. I've made sure not to drop the Chessy house... just in case.