IDOC Idea for item release / distribution - script buster

[weins201]

I have been to a few IDOCs lately and am disgusted at the blatant use of looting scripts being used. :whip: One IDOC i could have sworn that None of the chest that were visible even hit the ground. :gun: If you can track the use of a third party program you sure aren't enforcing it soooo how about this.

When a house hits the IDOC Stage it become locked (Private except for OWNER ONLY, no co owner, or friends) and not able to be entered. Also now once it hits it fall time it will, every second throw and item out within 10 tiles of the house footprint (random and not on other houses or water) until all the items are gone. Also and containers inside are emptied, not destroyed as some containers themselves are items of value, they just spit everything out of them. Once all the items have been thrown out then falls and the placement timer starts.

I understand that for LARGE houses with ALOT of itmes this could take a while (my castle with 4k items = 1 hour and 7 minutes) of items.

I am sorry if this offend any of you users of looting programs but you should actually be banned anyhow sooo????

As for you house placers, i also think that is you place a house you should not be able to sell it for at least 30 days. You can destroy it to place another but you should not be able to profit thru the fact that you can spend HOURS at a time sitting at houses to place them. Hell i saw one placed and watched a conversation about newbies being able to get plot, and then the placer selling the plot in 5 minutes for 70 mil.

 

[Gospel]

Lol.

Another person who doesn't understand scripting and thinks he has the solution.

This idea wouldn't solve a thing, therefore just wasting development time. Luckily the dev team has enough common sense to see the futility of such an idea.

 

[Lord Lew]

I like the idea, a random thrown item every 1/10th of a second in different directions, a random number of tiles from the house would be acceptable. At a minimum, the house and its contents should not be viewable by anyone once the house goes idoc. This alone would help throw some confusion into the scripters gameplan. Not sure why this abuse is tolerated, I for one want to see them banned from the game.

Or, all idoc's are set to vanish with their contents, deleting everything!!! Yes rares will vanish and server births, but then so be it!!

 

[weins201]

Lol.

Another person who doesn't understand scripting and thinks he has the solution.

This idea wouldn't solve a thing, therefore just wasting development time. Luckily the dev team has enough common sense to see the futility of such an idea.

What do you mean i dont know scripting, perhaps you should open you eyes and your mind to what script are and how they work, The sript would work if you know the item and the ID and could walk to where it wna when it launches out to ,, and that would give normal players a chance at findin the items and getting them also since the full containers would be empty no script would work to grab the box as a whole. so before you make unkowlegabe comments please think a little.,

 

[Riply]

Ok this will not happen buuuutttttt. I would love to have a progrom set up that detect scriptors and as soon as the person is detected scripting and loots a bunch of stuff at an idoc. A large
bolt of lightening comes down from the sky and burns them to a crisp. All thier loot including anything that they had on the person before the idoc and the idoc material is b;lown up onto the
ground. Also thier body parts with thier names on it are on the ground with a timer of expiration when they go poof. Ok won't happen but if it did I would laugh my arse off.

 

[Goodmann]

you can't script an idoc

 

[Blood Ghoul]

I would think it should be easier for them to design a fix to stop the scripts from working than figure a way to make stuff shoot all over the place randomly..

I am also not 100% sure these scripts are as failsafe as people say. The other night I was waiting at an IDOC with about 8 other people. When it fell there ws only a few boxes in it and I ran over and just picked up a gift box without looking in it and then grabbed a chest nearby. Both had only xmas gift and such but one guy began screaming that i was script looting because I beat him to the boxes I grabbed. I honestly didn't even go that fast but I think sometimes people are being over-sensitive if for some reason they miss something they want..

On the topic of script looting I still do not see how it can be any faster than the UO client side allows. I am able to attempt to pick up items faster than the game will let me and I get the " You must wait to perform another action." But I would guess if you were to run some sort of script while AFK its better than nothing.

If the script looting is as wide spread as everyone is saying I am sure some people at some of the houses I have been camping have been scripting and the only time I have not gotten my "first pick" item was when I did not take into account the crap on the top floor which fell and blocked me from the Red Death statue. Some other dude casually walked over and picked it up while me and 2 others were trapped behind tables and crap.

BG

 

[Lady Michelle]

I have been to a few IDOCs lately and am disgusted at the blatant use of looting scripts being used. :whip: One IDOC i could have sworn that None of the chest that were visible even hit the ground. :gun: If you can track the use of a third party program you sure aren't enforcing it soooo how about this.

When a house hits the IDOC Stage it become locked (Private except for OWNER ONLY, no co owner, or friends) and not able to be entered. Also now once it hits it fall time it will, every second throw and item out within 10 tiles of the house footprint (random and not on other houses or water) until all the items are gone. Also and containers inside are emptied, not destroyed as some containers themselves are items of value, they just spit everything out of them. Once all the items have been thrown out then falls and the placement timer starts.

I understand that for LARGE houses with ALOT of itmes this could take a while (my castle with 4k items = 1 hour and 7 minutes) of items.

I am sorry if this offend any of you users of looting programs but you should actually be banned anyhow sooo????

As for you house placers, i also think that is you place a house you should not be able to sell it for at least 30 days. You can destroy it to place another but you should not be able to profit thru the fact that you can spend HOURS at a time sitting at houses to place them. Hell i saw one placed and watched a conversation about newbies being able to get plot, and then the placer selling the plot in 5 minutes for 70 mil.

The first stage of a house starting the condemn stage is this house is like new. When its in that stage the house goes private, and the co n friend list clears, and if there is rental vendors they go right into the house moving crate. The players rentals will have til the house goes IDOC to get their stuff out of the moving crate. no more going into osi the house falls the first time its IDOC.

You know whats really irritating is the ones who place a plot at idocs fill it up then clean it out, take down the plot, and using the same account is able to replace a plot at the next IDOC , We need this some one tries to place to close to a IDOC they get this message. Sorry you can not place in this area its to close to a IDOC. Once the house falls you will have to wait 10 minutes to be able to place a plot in the area.

Im not a house seller and really dont care if they place or sell.

 

[Warpig Inc]

House explodes and contents strewn about. Invised or hidden players near the plot explosion take few hundered HP damage.

In the old plot area are about a dozen rubble pieces. IDOC rubble could be 800 stones. Till they are moved wont be placement

 

[Pfloyd]

House explodes and contents strewn about. Invised or hidden players near the plot explosion take few hundered HP damage.

In the old plot area are about a dozen rubble pieces. IDOC rubble could be 800 stones. Till they are moved wont be placement

You would have 100x more idocs from people making them on purpose. Were you not at the Maginica event where people wanted the buildings to go away?

 

[Lyconis]

I have been to a few IDOCs lately and am disgusted at the blatant use of looting scripts being used. :whip: One IDOC i could have sworn that None of the chest that were visible even hit the ground. :gun: If you can track the use of a third party program you sure aren't enforcing it soooo how about this.

When a house hits the IDOC Stage it become locked (Private except for OWNER ONLY, no co owner, or friends) and not able to be entered. Also now once it hits it fall time it will, every second throw and item out within 10 tiles of the house footprint (random and not on other houses or water) until all the items are gone. Also and containers inside are emptied, not destroyed as some containers themselves are items of value, they just spit everything out of them. Once all the items have been thrown out then falls and the placement timer starts.

I understand that for LARGE houses with ALOT of itmes this could take a while (my castle with 4k items = 1 hour and 7 minutes) of items.

I am sorry if this offend any of you users of looting programs but you should actually be banned anyhow sooo????

As for you house placers, i also think that is you place a house you should not be able to sell it for at least 30 days. You can destroy it to place another but you should not be able to profit thru the fact that you can spend HOURS at a time sitting at houses to place them. Hell i saw one placed and watched a conversation about newbies being able to get plot, and then the placer selling the plot in 5 minutes for 70 mil.

Do not punish those who do not cheat, because you cannot punish those that do.

I have tried and failed placing many houses, and when I did place a house I was called many things; a hacker, a scripter, a cheater, and many a foul word. Many of which I am, but I do not cheat or script.

We do not need more implementations like the house placement timer.

"Rather leave the crime of the guilty unpunished than condemn the innocent." -Cicero

http://stratics.com/community/threads/idoc-faq-builder-thread.39524/

 

[Spiritless]

The problem is, if people fail to pick up something or don't place they instantly assume the person who did is scripting. The same for people who lose in PvP; if they die, their opponent(s) must have been cheating. It's a defence mechanism which many use to rationalize why they failed as opposed to blaming themselves. In reality, scripting is a lot less widespread in those cases because it's a lot less effective than people assume. Oh, and it's perfectly possible to place a house instantly with the touch of a button if you know how 100% legally.

 

[Wenchkin]

Do not punish those who do not cheat, because you cannot punish those that do.

This, a hundred times

Rather than change IDOCs so non-cheating players are penalized, all EA need to do is instruct GMs to watch big IDOCs on their shard, when they see suspicious activity, they act on it. Might take a few drops to be certain of some cheats, but action should only be taken against cheats.

It would cost EA far less money if GMs were told to hang out in spots where cheating was likely to happen, even for just a few mins a day and catch them, than for the devs to change the game to block cheating. Which as we know doesn't always work and tends to cause a lot more player frustration.

I've always believed that the best way to reduce cheating was to punish cheats on an ongoing basis. Cheating becomes irresistible if you believe you won't get caught. It's less appealing if you think you're highly likely to lose that account and those associated with it. EA don't need to ban every cheat account at once, just start on a visible, steady and ongoing basis. The reason why we have so many cheats is nobody thinks they'll ever get caught.

UO's history has been the odd purge, umpteen threats and a spreadsheet that amounted to little. A shift needs to happen at EA and I'm not sure it'll happen. But tackling cheating throughout the game is better than changing many bits of that game for years to come. I hope the current team are heading in that direction soon.

Wenchy

 

[Sauteed Onion]

What? There are scripts and hacks in UO!?

 

[Speaking the Truth]

I once read this great idea that IDOCs should be changed into an auction system and it would be a great gold sink. I read that the devs are going to implement it next publish.

 

[Winker]

I once read this great idea that IDOCs should be changed into an auction system and it would be a great gold sink. I read that the devs are going to implement it next publish.

That would be a great idea, just like the program Auction hunters. Where they bid on a lock up and see if they got anything good in it.

 

[Shakkara]

Releasing one item at a time still gives scripters the advantage, even if it is in random spots. Because they can pickup much faster, even if they don't know the itemID they would easily be able to code something that checks items dropped in or near their pickup radius, with a white/blacklist that only picks up items with art assets or names that have value and disregards the others.

Even scripters can only pick up one item every second, so the only way to stop them having a serious impact is to flood them with a huge amount of items dropping instantly, and having a lot of other people around to pick it up.

The big situation that is currently advantageous to scripters is "Owned by OSI" houses, as their scripts can amass a list of items they want, then AFK camp it 24/7 and there won't be many legitimate competing people around when it falls. This is something that needs changing. It must be more transparant for everyone when such a house will collapse. Right now they're frequently collapsing in the middle of a decay cycle.

Making all IDOC houses private might be another thing that slows down existing scripts as they can no longer make their 'shopping lists'. Although I don't doubt that they'll just modify them to above example of making more generic black/white lists of items.

 

[Warpig Inc]

You would have 100x more idocs from people making them on purpose. Were you not at the Maginica event where people wanted the buildings to go away?

Ohh my there will be more of those overpowering fishing suits from the turn in being used in the game. Yes it would suck 100x players paying for a month game time just to make some rubble. If the rubble from IDOC was only two artwork forms it wouldn't be desired after short time.

Mag was easy math. If 1/3 the shards preserved the city they would of not get the New Mag. They put in the time and effort. If more then half the Mags was saved they would of dumped the New Mag coding and ideals. The evil shards would of better off having rare rubble sales. Even if one shard demoed their Mag we still would of had a raffle. We need another rubble event destroying Trinsic. No raffle but a rubble turn in for city loyality to decide who gets the New Trinsic in walls housing. Type of Lich form bleed musical chairs dance marathon where a random plot deed is rewarded to one the players by its sign when activated. Keep moving to survive sharks on the hunt.

Loads easier to complain then to solve problems. Mag event was the one rare time they showed they knew where the players hearts and play style was.

 

[Warpig Inc]

Releasing one item at a time still gives scripters the advantage, even if it is in random spots. Because they can pickup much faster, even if they don't know the itemID they would easily be able to code something that checks items dropped in or near their pickup radius, with a white/blacklist that only picks up items with art assets or names that have value and disregards the others.

Even scripters can only pick up one item every second, so the only way to stop them having a serious impact is to flood them with a huge amount of items dropping instantly, and having a lot of other people around to pick it up.

The big situation that is currently advantageous to scripters is "Owned by OSI" houses, as their scripts can amass a list of items they want, then AFK camp it 24/7 and there won't be many legitimate competing people around when it falls. This is something that needs changing. It must be more transparant for everyone when such a house will collapse. Right now they're frequently collapsing in the middle of a decay cycle.

Making all IDOC houses private might be another thing that slows down existing scripts as they can no longer make their 'shopping lists'. Although I don't doubt that they'll just modify them to above example of making more generic black/white lists of items.

Use the Hollween Trick and teleport everyone within a few screens of IDOCs to a moongate and then area is blocked from recalling for a few hours. Then champ explode locks and rubble block the plot area. Players recall a few screens and some back to the area and rush in to ground zero. Last rubble lfited and let the house placement for that lucky moment. Hidden and Invised players in the blocked IDOC area suffer a massive Lich form bleed.

 

[Blood Ghoul]

The worst part of this entire "IDOC Event" (I know its not really an event) is I should be at work right now!! Its good to be the boss though as I can take all the leave I want.

Woke up this morning and 6 of the greatly worn houses I had in book were already IDOC. I have no idea when they changed though. 4 of them fell fast but of course the one I really want is still standing..

Ugh

 

[Dixie of Chesapeake]

just leave it alone....uo screws up and listens to whiny players all the time....then they end up changing something in game that the majority of the players liked the way it was........not all of uo's players log on to stratics so the Dev's arent hearing from a great deal of the population on issues.... my suggestion. to those who whine about looting idocs....learn how to loot them! i never EVER run scripts...quite frankly i dont know how, nor do i care to learn. i still come out with great items all the time, regardless of scriptors. i know ill take a butt load of heat for this but seriously stop changing things in game because a handful of your player base gets on here and cries about something. oh and there are ways to tell if someone is scripting, getting a lag spike as you walk over the char is a good way. if you encounter this page a gm and let them know, hey there is someone at this idoc running a script as we speak. ive paged a # of times and have seen said offenders just vanish from the idoc a few seconds after i receive a gm response.

 

[Lord Lew]

just leave it alone....uo screws up and listens to whiny players all the time....then they end up changing something in game that the majority of the players liked the way it was........not all of uo's players log on to stratics so the Dev's arent hearing from a great deal of the population on issues.... my suggestion. to those who whine about looting idocs....learn how to loot them! i never EVER run scripts...quite frankly i dont know how, nor do i care to learn. i still come out with great items all the time, regardless of scriptors. i know ill take a butt load of heat for this but seriously stop changing things in game because a handful of your player base gets on here and cries about something. oh and there are ways to tell if someone is scripting, getting a lag spike as you walk over the char is a good way. if you encounter this page a gm and let them know, hey there is someone at this idoc running a script as we speak. ive paged a # of times and have seen said offenders just vanish from the idoc a few seconds after i receive a gm response.

Sadly your shard is in its death throws and you don't have the competition we have on Atlantic. Your experience is different than ours, there are not a handful of cheaters here, there are guilds full of them. I know you do not want the change, but a majority here are sick of these scripters/program hacks. Be it IDOC, PvP, or resource gathering, it needs to be handled. You can call it whining all you want, but using 3rd party programs to give you an upper hand is a betrayal of all that UO was created to be. We have heard rumors that they are able to track those using these programs, and it's high time they start permanent banning those sad souls that use it to gain advantage.

Now I know there are those of you that argue for the resource gathering. You justify this by saying that it makes it easy to find what you need. Mayhap the Devs can program in resource vendors to fill your insatiable need for bulk resources at an amazingly high price. Maybe soak up some of the trillions of duped gold floating around.. Just a thought, flame away.

 

[cdavbar]

This, a hundred times

Rather than change IDOCs so non-cheating players are penalized, all EA need to do is instruct GMs to watch big IDOCs on their shard, when they see suspicious activity, they act on it. Might take a few drops to be certain of some cheats, but action should only be taken against cheats.


Wenchy

Wait, UO still has GM's. Even if UO still has GM hiring the amount of people it would take would destroy what little profit the game still makes. There's more important things to worry about like coming up with a server consolidation plan or getting more subs to fill up the land.

 

[Sauteed Onion]

Wait, UO still has GM's. Even if UO still has GM hiring the amount of people it would take would destroy what little profit the game still makes. There's more important things to worry about like coming up with a server consolidation plan or getting more subs to fill up the land.

I'm fairly certain nobody wants to "fill up" this game by first purchasing the game and it's xpacs and then subbing into it when they realize how bug ridden and cheat dominated most of the fun or interesting aspects of the game are. Before there was a bribing system I could go to either Luna smith/tailor area or West Brit smith shops and watch somebody botting up bods all damn day for whatever hammer they would wind up getting, and although not as rampant as most claim there are some rather dubious pvp hackers and scripters running around a few of witch talked regularly with me on ICQ and bought suits I'd make for them. Before they made it to where you if you logged out in a champ area for so long it'd teleport you to the closest shrine thingy, every single guild or nasty pvp'er would leave a ghosted or stealthed "camera" at a champ spawn in fel and check it ever so often. I was in several guilds that used this tactic and all of them were hating that that got dealt with, and I'm not even a pvp'er at all. Unless you count being able to get pwnt quickly a "pvp'er".

The devs need to start somewhere so it can become a desirable game for people to come into, and they are trying with the bugs and exploits; but that's not working out so well. Maybe dealing with these pro IDOC haxors is a good move. Personally, I think they need to stop half arsing updates; put the new loot system to every thing in the game.. Get all monster loot rules on the same level.. What I mean by that is either make Crimson cinctures/Crystalline Rings/Paroxymus Swamp Dragons etc drop in people's back packs like the newer SA arties, or make the newer SA arties drop on the corpse like the older ML arties do. Personally I say make it like the newer SA arty system; less griping and finaggling when something cool drops on a Mel corpse but you forgot to break party. Secondly, individual loot boxes even when partied, so no worrying about breaking party in the first place. The "whole" corpse opens up at it's usual pace. Thirdly, fix party bars so they just return to normal health bars once a party breaks.. none of this they just disappear off the damn screen wildness that it has been. A long time ago we got a video of somebody interviewing Jeffy Jeff and he mentioned "some players may have noticed we've had GM's pull them to the side and ask them to stop hacking" blah blah, they knew they were breaking the rules and they been doing it for probably way longer than this guy been working on video games. Ban them. They'll buy a new account and hack some more, but the benefit of banning them is the revenue of new account. They'll probably buy a few soulstones too.

Scripters claiming "It's not hurting you if I run my doom arty scripts, or lumberjacking scripts, or mining scripts or all of those scripts so STFU".. if you're stupid enough to think I'm stupid enough to believe that.. or that you think for a second that I'd believe even you think that, I'm surprised your brain actually has the capacity to automate breathing for the rest of your body. In the event you are that stupid, let me tell you why it's stupid to think like that. Scripting those resources, arties, etc while you're at work and then tossing them on your vendor when you get home or whatever you're doing is ruining those 3-5 days worth of some poor random guy manually chopping wood or mining ingots because in general you're tossing them on your vendor at way lower prices than they guy who's doing it legitimately. I'll not point fingers aloud, or even mention guilds, but I've had this discussion in game with a few doing the doom thing and they at least had the testes to admit it jacked up the economy pretty good. And this was years ago @ _@. There's no telling what's going on in this day and age. What exactly does any of my random ranting have to do with house scripts and bugs? Nothing. Just thought I'd share my randomness. Meow.

--Also any word on whether cinnamon rolls being added in game or not would be lovely.

 

[kelmo]

I once read this great idea that IDOCs should be changed into an auction system and it would be a great gold sink. I read that the devs are going to implement it next publish.

It is raining something...

 

[the 4th man]

I actually watched an idoc the other day and heard 2 chars. talking about what time it will fall, and such.....then one mention a site, that had "uo" in it......out of boredom, I looked it up and it was like script city......I asked myself, "serious?"

There's some serious losers on this game, and all who partake in that site, or use it, you're a serious loser......if you got a problem with that, let's duke it out, otherwise, be a little cheating weasel.

Devs change it would ya??

 

[Bobar]

Wont happen - what more to say?.

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

What I love most about this little gem of a post is that the way he's phrased it, you either agree with him or support scripting, or are a scripter.

Complete bunk on a substantive level, of course, but I suppose that trolling, which is really all this post is, is an effective-enough tactic, unfortunately.

You know he's right though because he puts that little smiley that says the word "next."

Only thing better is if he bolded or capitalized lots of his words.

-Galen's player

 

[Wenchkin]

Wait, UO still has GM's. Even if UO still has GM hiring the amount of people it would take would destroy what little profit the game still makes. There's more important things to worry about like coming up with a server consolidation plan or getting more subs to fill up the land.

I'm talking about those that are on the payroll now being asked to be proactive. Also, dev time isn't free, I think it costs significantly more than a GM's time does Imagine the costs of all the anti-cheat code we've had, and the costs of testing and further changes to it over the years. You take that money and spend it on the GMs instead and UO doesn't lose money from that. In fact, you gain better support and the devs have more time to focus on more important stuff. Also, no more player frustration from anti-cheat code and tedium.

I'd rather get rid of cheats and attract players to a "clean" game than watch server merges wreck it. And really, we do need good GM support, we pay higher in subs supposedly for improved support - let's see some of that. How many players will come to UO if they think the population has dropped so far that shards are merging? I certainly wouldn't be keen to pay in advance if I wasn't sure the game had longevity. And if it was full of cheats and badly supported then I'd run a mile.

Wenchy

 

[cdavbar]

--Also any word on whether cinnamon rolls being added in game or not would be lovely.

This was the BEST line, made my day lol.

Also I'm not saying don't take action, I just think the OP is starting in the wrong area, and in the wrong way. Trust me, being a player that started when my father played beta when I was a kid, I know the reality of the fact that the devs need to fix many many things to get people back.

 

[Gospel]

What do you mean i dont know scripting, perhaps you should open you eyes and your mind to what script are and how they work, The sript would work if you know the item and the ID and could walk to where it wna when it launches out to ,, and that would give normal players a chance at findin the items and getting them also since the full containers would be empty no script would work to grab the box as a whole. so before you make unkowlegabe comments please think a little.,

Thank you for illustrating my point. Also the irony of you spelling the word "unknowledgeable" incorrectly was very amusing, thanks.

 

[weins201]

you can't script an idoc

You have NOOOO clue what you are talking about, there are scripts for both loting and placing, open your mind step into the real world

 

[weins201]

The problem is, if people fail to pick up something or don't place they instantly assume the person who did is scripting. The same for people who lose in PvP; if they die, their opponent(s) must have been cheating. It's a defence mechanism which many use to rationalize why they failed as opposed to blaming themselves. In reality, scripting is a lot less widespread in those cases because it's a lot less effective than people assume. Oh, and it's perfectly possible to place a house instantly with the touch of a button if you know how 100% legally.[/qu


Another person claiming I dont know what I am talking about - you are WRONG again, I know what the scripts are how they work and their speed and reliability. and it IS a problem. Open your eyes and ears and get over it. Scripts are used and work and need to be dealt with like they SAID they were going to do.

 

[Zynia]

If the script looting is as wide spread as everyone is saying I am sure some people at some of the houses I have been camping have been scripting and the only time I have not gotten my "first pick" item was when I did not take into account the crap on the top floor which fell and blocked me from the Red Death statue. Some other dude casually walked over and picked it up while me and 2 others were trapped behind tables and crap.
BG

Well said. In Felucca, we don't have to worry about scripters.

 

[Speaking the Truth]

It is raining something...

I'm glad you noticed I was being facetious. Since we just had a thread full of horrible ideas related to IDOCs. That being a main theme in the last one and a leading contender. We're going for part two it looks like.

 

[weins201]

just leave it alone....uo screws up and listens to whiny players all the time....then they end up changing something in game that the majority of the players liked the way it was........not all of uo's players log on to stratics so the Dev's arent hearing from a great deal of the population on issues.... my suggestion. to those who whine about looting idocs....learn how to loot them! i never EVER run scripts...quite frankly i dont know how, nor do i care to learn. i still come out with great items all the time, regardless of scriptors. i know ill take a butt load of heat for this but seriously stop changing things in game because a handful of your player base gets on here and cries about something. oh and there are ways to tell if someone is scripting, getting a lag spike as you walk over the char is a good way. if you encounter this page a gm and let them know, hey there is someone at this idoc running a script as we speak. ive paged a # of times and have seen said offenders just vanish from the idoc a few seconds after i receive a gm response.

It is truley amazing how little most of the players who think they know about script says they can see who is, and pages and somthing gets done. LMAO the only thing that is done is they are pulled away for a but and they return since they were at their keyboards. You have NO way of konwing if somones is scripting just because you walked near them LMAO.

THE GAMES NEEDS TO BE CHANGED IF THEY REFUSE TO DO WHAT THEY SAY THEY WERE GOING TO DO ABOUT SCRIPTERS BUT DONT.

 

[weins201]

What I love most about this little gem of a post is that the way he's phrased it, you either agree with him or support scripting, or are a scripter.

Complete bunk on a substantive level, of course, but I suppose that trolling, which is really all this post is, is an effective-enough tactic, unfortunately.

You know he's right though because he puts that little smiley that says the word "next."

Only thing better is if he bolded or capitalized lots of his words.

-Galen's player

TALK ABOUT TROLLING LMAO

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

TALK ABOUT TROLLING LMAO

There you go, both all caps and colored text.
Makes you extra right.
*shrugs*
-Galen's player

 

[Dag Nabbit]

It is my opinion that when a house falls,everything in the house should vanish with it. With this,the plot it stood upon should be locked so that other houses can not be placed within a certain amount of time.

 

[Sauteed Onion]

Well said. In Felucca, we don't have to worry about scripters.

Perhaps not house placement/looting scripters >.>

 

[weins201]

There you go, both all caps and colored text.
Makes you extra right.
*shrugs*
-Galen's player

Did it specially for you sweets

 

[HonorableAdventurer]

People will swear up and down all day that scripting does not exist and it doesnt work.. These are people who dont want scripting to go away because they enjoy the "BENEFITS" of cheating
If scritping was not a very important tool for cheaters then on patch day you wouldnt see a dramatic drop in people not being around ...
The more people become vocal about wanting something to be done about it the more the Devs should consider taking a stand on it ..

UO is special in many ways but one I am not proud of is the fact that they admit they know of all the rampant cheating and refuse to do anything about it ... I have never played another game that cheating has become such an open acceptable form of play

The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

Did it specially for you sweets

Unfortunately, none of it can properly compensate for an argument that entirely lacks merit.

Scripting is an issue, and is when used in the right circumstances a significant advantage in every aspect of the game, of which IDOCing is only one. One can acknowledge this, and think that scripting is bad, and want it to be stopped, and yet also acknowledge that your argument is more-or-less entirely without merit.

-Galen's player

 

[Lady Michelle]

It is my opinion that when a house falls,everything in the house should vanish with it. With this,the plot it stood upon should be locked so that other houses can not be placed within a certain amount of time.

It is my opinion that when a house falls,everything in the house should vanish right into michelle's bank box. Im sure that is what you ment so I fixed it

 

[Speaking the Truth]

The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

Okay, Keyser Soze.

 

[CovenantX]

UO is special in many ways but one I am not proud of is the fact that they admit they know of all the rampant cheating and refuse to do anything about it .

I'm sure every MMO you've ever played has many cheaters. and probably many more in them, because of the rl cash value of the virtual items/currency.

EA/UO doesn't condone cheating, it's just hard to stop it, take WoW for instance (all of blizzard MMOs actually), You have no clue how many people script/bot to sell gold/loot, and they have punk-buster.

It's just not as obvious on WoW, since most things are Instanced/private.

 

[RaDian FlGith]

you can't script an idoc

You certainly can script items AT an IDOC though. This past week I have seen enough items vanish at the exact same moment that the house dropped to know it's no coincidence. Yes, I know... must be my 25 megabit connection or my 14ms ping that's too slow to deal with the fact that someone else saw it dropped first, right? No... there are definitely scripted programs out there that grab specific items the moment they become available. And it's only a problem in houses where you can see the item.

 

[Gospel]

People will swear up and down all day that scripting does not exist and it doesnt work.. These are people who dont want scripting to go away because they enjoy the "BENEFITS" of cheating
If scritping was not a very important tool for cheaters then on patch day you wouldnt see a dramatic drop in people not being around ...
The more people become vocal about wanting something to be done about it the more the Devs should consider taking a stand on it ..

UO is special in many ways but one I am not proud of is the fact that they admit they know of all the rampant cheating and refuse to do anything about it ... I have never played another game that cheating has become such an open acceptable form of play

The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

Oh how I've missed your unintelligible nonsense. And look, you're even copying my sig of your rambling a with one of your own. I knew you loved me!

Well, I can't say I'm shocked to see you here. I have no doubt you agree fully with the OP and his laughable suggestion. This thread just got even better. If we can get Popps and Warpig involved this will be a strong contender for thread of the year.

Oh yeah back on topic... Um let's see here geniuses... How does a script place a house first exactly? You're aware there's a random timer and a limit on attempts built into the game, right? A script can't circumvent (that means go around) game mechanics and attempt to place every .5 seconds for unlimited amounts of time. Really an experienced house placer has extremely high odds of placing before a scripter. If you don't realize that, it's because you don't know what you're doing. Same goes for looting.

This is the same reason real pvpers don't use scripts. Scripts perform actions when conditions are met but do not "think" better than a player with knowledge or instinct. As you have neither, I can understand your confusion.

Scripting is always the first excuse an inferior player gives for being outplayed by a superior opponent. Put that in your juicebox and suck it.

 

[Petra Fyde]

The devs have never, to my knowledge, refused to do anything about cheating. What they have refused to do is name banned cheaters. They can't do that.
IDOCers, more than any, should be able to see evidence of where bans have occurred. When houses inexplicably fall at strange times and all, or part, of the contents are deleted. Don't you ever make the connection? I do.

They will never totally stop cheating. They'd be pretty special if they did, it would be the only game, RL or virtual, that was cheat free!
So how about stop giving them grief for not achieving the impossible?

It may surprise you to know that many, many normal players play happily for days on end without giving a passing thought to whether other people are scripting or cheating, they just play the game.

IF you have actual proof of a script or hack submit it to EA - or even post it in our Bugs forum and I will make sure it reaches them - that's if you trust me - the list of people who can see those posts before they are made public is VERY limited. Those I consider to be probable exploits are passed to Mesanna and her team without ever being made public.
IF you find someone you believe is scripting, send in a GM call - but don't hang around waiting for something to happen, it's not necessary, just go on with your day.
Let's stop the witch hunts on Stratics please, they achieve little and are bad for the health of the community.

 

[Dag Nabbit]

It is my opinion that when a house falls,everything in the house should vanish right into michelle's bank box. Im sure that is what you ment so I fixed it

Dagnabbit! You're right! What was I thinking? Psst...hey! wanna share some of that booty with me?