Pvp is dead because those few people that pvp flock to one or two pvp faction guilds. Not a whole lot of guilds to actually fight. Add in the usual tamer pvm to factions and a lot of idle time sitting in chat lamenting on why Siege is damn slow...
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Trouble is here the blighters just get back up a couple minutes after being shot and come back.
Maybe they actually like the low population here. Fewer targets to hunt and many of those fewer targets have taken up Stealthing so they can't be found so there are even less targets available. Less visible people, the social types lose interest and move back to a production shard so there are less targets here. Whatever makes the PKers boats float I guess.
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I'm not part of ARR. But, i should have my character done next week and then i'll fight you. No dragons, ofcourse. You still a fencer? I know Bliss was asking for a week for someone to beat him for two million gold. Have you not logged in the past week?I will personally ask in general chat if any aar would like to fight 1v1 and we will all see how many takers i get
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You know when you mention these PvP'ers and what guilds they are flocking to for faction guilds, you know we are talking about like 5 or less people to a guild, right? How many people are in GIL? Because two years ago it had over 70 people, more than double of any guild on SP.
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My point exactly. I'd take my hat off to you, but someone looted it. No, not the point about the world ending, the other one. That is fun. Vets know the risks. It helps a LOT if newcomers get to see veteran players getting up and carrying on again after being killed, rather than getting up and reaching for the logout button. And no, I'm NOT accusing any vets of that - I'm saying that people who are new to PvP often have an unhealthy attachment to their items. Ripping the band-aid off only works for a small percent of folks with that mentality - and you don't know in advance if you've got one of those in front of you. So, if they're labeled as new, be gentle, or at least, be encouraging as you smear their entrails all over the ground, and help them get up again afterwards. The vets? Those with a guild tag that doesn't contain 'N', 'E', and 'W'? We know the risks. Or, at least, we should by now.
When you coming back to UO to protect everyone, Otto? Make use of that KSS title you was given?
Seems like people here have a serious infatuation for this arrr guild. from the sounds of the posts ive been reading they may be a little bull headed but at least they seem to be playing this shard the way its supposed to be played. but im new so what do i know
I can not wait until im a salty veteran here! and have it made to where i can afford to lose stuff and run from the pk, survive, and antagonize in chat with a good ol fashion "
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Welcome to SP!Seems like people here have a serious infatuation for this arrr guild. from the sounds of the posts ive been reading they may be a little bull headed but at least they seem to be playing this shard the way its supposed to be played. but im new so what do i know
I like your way of thinking!I can not wait until im a salty veteran here! and have it made to where i can afford to lose stuff and run from the pk, survive, and antagonize in chat with a good ol fashion "
Why don't you ask for me so I can mop the floor with you? My character has been done for months and since then, you never want to fight!I will personally ask in general chat if any aar would like to fight 1v1 and we will all see how many takers i get
Funny...last night's general chat had Arr with 7 or 8 on and Parn has told me on many ocassions that the guild is doing great with active numbers. O-S still seems to field a few , Sprago's guild seems to have good numbers and active players. The only faction guild that seems to keep around five is FYOU. Don't confuse Gil for a faction/pvp guild lol Gil has a ton of characters but usually just fields around 5-10 with the majority of the player base owning multiple accounts that are very pvm or crafter orientated.
So yes...any new players or returning players that are interested in factions/pvp seem to flock to the established guilds and alliances that these guilds have. In the last 3 or 4 years there was typically 4 or maybe 5 guilds/alliances that were active and could be counted on to fight on a nightly basis. The dominate faction guild was of course KOC but other's like TNT, JSV, LOW and TRU's guild could always be competitive depending on numbers.
Every guild does this to some degree. I have a ton of armor, wep's, reg's, alacrity ect ect that I keep in case I need them. If a guild member or buddy is asking for a particular item then I try to help them out as best I can.
if you don't want your game play to be affected by others then you shouldn't play an MMORPG
ALSO as for the crawl before not once did we kill a "NEW" player to siege, we killed only vets and didn't even loot suits or anything, matter of fact i even delivered some back to players at the established meeting point. So people need to quit crying over this and grow up or exit browser and play solitaire where you wont get killed. I agree this is a good idea but if they are new let them at least see what can potentially happen and learn exactly what they are getting into on siege.[/quote]
The issue is not that a spawn is getting raided. Hell I have spawned on a very consistent basis the last couple of months without a single raid. The issue is more that this is an announced event to try and get new players here on Siege. There are pvp events planned, there are tavern nights and tours that could get interupted by reds. How fast do you think a "newly" created char will finish a Riktor spawn or perhaps they should just limit the spawning to Oaks spawn's ??
The issue is not that a spawn is getting raided. Hell I have spawned on a very consistent basis the last couple of months without a single raid. The issue is more that this is an announced event to try and get new players here on Siege. There are pvp events planned, there are tavern nights and tours that could get interupted by reds. How fast do you think a "newly" created char will finish a Riktor spawn or perhaps they should just limit the spawning to Oaks spawn's ??[/quote]if you don't want your game play to be affected by others then you shouldn't play an MMORPG
ALSO as for the crawl before not once did we kill a "NEW" player to siege, we killed only vets and didn't even loot suits or anything, matter of fact i even delivered some back to players at the established meeting point. So people need to quit crying over this and grow up or exit browser and play solitaire where you wont get killed. I agree this is a good idea but if they are new let them at least see what can potentially happen and learn exactly what they are getting into on siege.
I'd just pop MI at Oaks and kill everyone
O-S currently is inactive and has been for a while. They had 1 member, Bliss who has been on, who now no longer plays.
The max we can field at a time, is probably 10-12 people who are active members. The most we have had on as of late, was 8 people which was a rare occurence.
Thanks
I know I am. Wanna buy a T-Shirt?
Oh? I thought I saw a O-S member at the last couple of EM event's. But regardless still good numbers for a faction guild on Siege
Sure...I will take one of the Rumpy wins UO shirts. I'll hang it right up beside my Free Ricardo...Hang Diablo fanny pack.Thanks
With all the subjective personal pronouns I don't have a clue who "we" is referred to in many of the posts I read. However I'd like to point at that I tried one of the shard wide champ crawls that GIL ran a few months ago and half my suit was looted. Got half my suit back from a meet up point, and was told by someone (I think iSpreadEm) that the person that took the rest of my suit logged off. I just remember the guild I was ARRR.
So an event on 17th December 'hunt Rumpy' doesn't appeal?Trouble is here the blighters just get back up a couple minutes after being shot and come back.
Maybe they actually like the low population here. Fewer targets to hunt and many of those fewer targets have taken up Stealthing so they can't be found so there are even less targets available. Less visible people, the social types lose interest and move back to a production shard so there are less targets here. Whatever makes the PKers boats float I guess.
I'm thinking, would it be possible to make a way to donate some mid level suits to this events, maybe dry them a special color including a robe or dress in a special color.
Then set up some chests, guildleaders from both red and blue guild can access. This way, we could borrow a suit to the ones comming from other shards.
The PK's would know, the stuff belong to the chests and if they loot, they could drop it back there or leave it on corpes if the victim is ressed and can reach it.
I don't know if it could work. This way, they would not lose their own stuff. Many returning players do not even have a LRC, MR, resist suit. I believe I have some free lockdowns in NEW2 Inn, NM, so I could add a few chests for it.
It would allow good and evil could work together to help get more players here. I was thinking the suits would come from both sides. This way, the guests would still risk to die and get looted but it would not cost them any money to replace a suit as it don't belong to them. If they did success getting it with them home, they could use it until they lose it and a killer drop it back in the chests for next event.
I see, there is a risk, they may dye it a different color to keep it. Maybe we to find a tailor with a special name to make the plain suits, then the guilds can help imbue them.
Just an idea
Long ago, UDL made an even, naked murderer run cross Britain, it was fun.So an event on 17th December 'hunt Rumpy' doesn't appeal?
Maybe we could try again but let the reds use GM gear, not imbued at all. Not sure if spell books should be allowed other than magebook and some healing regs and bandages for the warriors
Then invite crafters, PvM'er and players from other shards to try to hunt them down,
They should have to follow the road from Barder Town to Brit and if still alive to Trinsic
There should be a gift to the winner, the red who stay alive longest.
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Funny this was posted because the banterring that soon ensued after the crawl ended had alot of "We never attacked" and "we never looted" statements. Just pointing out the inconsistencies of aar statements. Again, I think these ideas Hoff's has is a great way to try and improve the community, not to mention possibly get more people here. Even if it's only to try the shard out. I don't want to add fuel to the fire, but, I logged on last night just to refresh and happened to notice a conversation involving hugibear. It sounded alot like hugi and someone else killed a newer person, then looted what hugi said was crap gear. Sorry, but killing people is part of siege...Looting a newer persons "crap" is trammy carebear s**t. Way to improve the community aar...
The problem I see is, if someone new to PvP get looted to much, he may give up as it get to expensive. If players join faction to try out PvP, they may die alot and rarely success killing someone. They will mostly only have their PvP gear for the killer to loot where a farmer may have a nice loot bag and the killer may leave his crappy armor.
It may get even worse, if this new PvP'ers success to be a part of a kill, he will then loot alot, because he really need the loot to to replace some of the gear he have lost trying to PvP.
The ones he loot will remember it and sure not go easy on him next time they get him.
I had a guildmember, who had to pay back 2.5 mill for his suit as he forgot to Siege Bless an expensive item or there is a bug with the Siege Bless. This player had been here long time but this 2.5 mills was all he had. I'm not blaming anyone but I do feel this killer could have been a little more large. It is a lot money for one kill.
A farmer or someone trying to PvP may be able to afford losing a suit of a value of 100-250k but 2.5 mill, that's really alot.
It may get even worse, if this new PvP'ers success to be a part of a kill, he will then loot alot, because he really need the loot to to replace some of the gear he have lost trying to PvP.
The ones he loot will remember it and sure not go easy on him next time they get him.
I had a guildmember, who had to pay back 2.5 mill for his suit as he forgot to Siege Bless an expensive item or there is a bug with the Siege Bless. This player had been here long time but this 2.5 mills was all he had. I'm not blaming anyone but I do feel this killer could have been a little more large. It is a lot money for one kill.
A farmer or someone trying to PvP may be able to afford losing a suit of a value of 100-250k but 2.5 mill, that's really alot.
Apparently you didn't read the entire conversation. Hugi said he "DID NOT" loot anything. Way to change the story around to suit your needs and then pile on an entire guild because everyone hates 1 member. By the way this "new person" is a faction member".
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The way I stay happy on SP is to, at all times, have multiple replacements of what I am wearing and have no expectations of the PKs. Back when we had "PvP guilds" we could some times strike deals, but we don't have that population anymore. Rather than asking anything of our PKs (and then being disappointed and angry), we could offer the new folks a couple suits to come by our shard. One for the event, which they can plan on losing. The other to have as a gift to either re-suit with or save for their next visit.
The other way I stay happy on SP is to remember that PKs are not evil RL. On other platforms...let me correct myself....on most other platforms I personally play, I RP evil. If I were a better MMO player, or were inclined to spend the bulk of my life learning to be a better player, I would be evil here. But I am not. The RP character of Luka is nuetral. When I do allow PKs here to get to me RL, and it happens.....I need to step away. Sometimes I remember to do that. Sometimes I don't.
All that said....I think we can, the ways things are now....still invite folks to our shard for announced events. I just think that if we ask or expect the PKs to behave a certain way at the event is a mistake. I wonder if we can ask them "out of character" to help prepare for the event? Any PKs want to chime in on that idea? Then the effort towards growing our population is shared by the PKs, who also benefit from it, while not curbing thier "in character" play at the time of the event.
The other way I stay happy on SP is to remember that PKs are not evil RL. On other platforms...let me correct myself....on most other platforms I personally play, I RP evil. If I were a better MMO player, or were inclined to spend the bulk of my life learning to be a better player, I would be evil here. But I am not. The RP character of Luka is nuetral. When I do allow PKs here to get to me RL, and it happens.....I need to step away. Sometimes I remember to do that. Sometimes I don't.
All that said....I think we can, the ways things are now....still invite folks to our shard for announced events. I just think that if we ask or expect the PKs to behave a certain way at the event is a mistake. I wonder if we can ask them "out of character" to help prepare for the event? Any PKs want to chime in on that idea? Then the effort towards growing our population is shared by the PKs, who also benefit from it, while not curbing thier "in character" play at the time of the event.
Welcome To Siege. Where you die and get looted. If you don't like it -> Tram.
Thats nothing to do with community, its called playing the game. Get the hell over yourself.
All this worship of building a community, not a single one of you are helping. If anything, all the pancakes you guys do hurts it more then anything we do. I keep hearing all this building community crap since I came back in May and I have yet to see anyone do jack or new people really appear. If anything, Arrr has made more people come to the server.
There seems a very easy solution here. Why does Hoffs not ask you to be the guard of the event here on Siege and for the good of the shard you take reponsibility for ensuring the events go smoothly? Invite people to raid the event knowing that you will be prepared to repel any disruption. A temporary truce and the possibility of PvP for your guild.
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Hey Mr Knowitall that guy was a faction character in fyou, and he was complaining about his crap gear being looted, like 10-20 minutes after hugi and spred killed him and his pets. Spred had since gone to bed and Hugi said "sorry dude Hugi didnt loot anything and the guy that did logged" Incase you didnt realize you are postin on the siege boards, when you die you should not expect to get your gear back. He was a ****bag tamer wearing crap gear lookin to score a kill with no risk. Actually Hugi should have looted him and trashed it all.
And hey dont come round here runnin your ugly mug like you are a big peacock. Go ahead log on and catch your death just like always, than cry about this or that.
I have not carefully read all of the foregoing posts. But I take exception to the comment that Siege players never leave their houses except for events. Indeed, I know players who do not even run stealth who are out and about every day.
As to the rest of the conversation here, I will say that I agree with Blind Otto's posts.
But I also know that the reason there are no guards is because the shard population is too low. Too many of those old guards have left for other games or are swamped with rl concerns (*tips hat to Otto*). What *does* it take to get the PvM community to run guards at events? I know that GIL's contingent is led by Morgan Ironfist (a well-known fact) - but getting enough "guards" on at the same time has been a huge issue (also a known fact). When I first came to Siege, I had decided that I would try my hand at some PvP but I failed miserably. First, I couldn't even get my attacks through my opponents' faction armor. Then, my defenses were weak when I was caught. And of course, there were never enough others on at the same time I was to be able to help. I am still building skills on my 5 characters, and I am still willing to learn PvP. And I miss Righty.
Quite personally, I would LOVE to see a guild such as KSS resurrected! WE NEED KNIGHTS! Now, as far as KSS itself goes, I do know the rl reasons behind why it has faded. But there is no reason that someone else could not build a guild whose honor and glory lay in protecting Siege players.
*throws down gauntlet* I hereby challenge the fighters of Siege to consider their ways and allegiances - is there not a group willing to play the "knights in shining armor"? Even the "black knights" historically protected their own young . . . .
*eyes townsfolk placing kindling around the box she is standing on - gets off of soapbox*
Otherwise, I had a great interview with Sprago over the weekend and sometime this week I hope to get that interview in proper form to post up.
You may now carry on with your regularly scheduled programming. . . .
I prefer to keep siege populated low and I aggree that events should NOT be PK free! This is SIEGE PERILOUS!! Not for the week ,timid junior players! Only True Die-Hard Ultima* players need venture to Siege land!!!
making "events" or anything else "safe" goes against everything Perilous! Why not Hire some "protection"???? I dont care much for events but would definately offer my services as a Slimey Body guard! and im sure other would too, I dont think safe events will magicaly make ppl stay....thats just doesnt make sence. events are few and far between and the ppl who stay on siege accept/enjoy/tolerate the "danger" factor! By Decree, Viscount Goop
making "events" or anything else "safe" goes against everything Perilous! Why not Hire some "protection"???? I dont care much for events but would definately offer my services as a Slimey Body guard! and im sure other would too, I dont think safe events will magicaly make ppl stay....thats just doesnt make sence. events are few and far between and the ppl who stay on siege accept/enjoy/tolerate the "danger" factor! By Decree, Viscount Goop
I agree, many who join Siege is looking for the spirit of UO before Trammel, they are not looking to be safe. They may not be looking to PvP all of them but they are looking for the risk and to have to look over their shoulder.
I believe, what kill Siege right now, is, it is damn boring, when you see noone around.
I believe, what kill Siege right now, is, it is damn boring, when you see noone around.
Hello,
I think the game already provides plenty of options to protect an event.
A dragon tournament would be fun, just do it on the top of a house with a "I ban thee" ready.
Instead of asking people not to kill, why not do the opposite. As someone suggested, a newbie race between towns would be fun. People would have to deliver an item to the next town and avoid being killed/stolen. Also, a reward could be given to the person who looted/stole the most.
For any event, I think the key point is to gather people in a safe place first. I'm pretty sure we can all agree that setting a meetup point where everyone get killed as they arrive one at a time isn't the best way to start the night.
Zalfein
I think the game already provides plenty of options to protect an event.
A dragon tournament would be fun, just do it on the top of a house with a "I ban thee" ready.
Instead of asking people not to kill, why not do the opposite. As someone suggested, a newbie race between towns would be fun. People would have to deliver an item to the next town and avoid being killed/stolen. Also, a reward could be given to the person who looted/stole the most.
For any event, I think the key point is to gather people in a safe place first. I'm pretty sure we can all agree that setting a meetup point where everyone get killed as they arrive one at a time isn't the best way to start the night.
Zalfein
I will personally ask in general chat if any aar would like to fight 1v1 and we will all see how many takers i get
when since you posted this have you asked for a duel? try it and see how many you get? i know i am not scared. so what if i die. thats the point the pvp win or lose
sureno