Idea to help stabilize UO's economy...

[Tanivar]

There's zero proven cases of them using their access to steal anyone's information for their own gain.

Never said it was them doing for their own gain. What I said is that with access to so many gamers computers, they have to be a major target for hackers.

Try paying attention while reading the posts you reply to. <shakes head in irritated amusement>

 

[Tanivar]

So let me get this straight, when you player your crafter, all you did is craft...and then sell to an NPC?

..........................

<sighs> another one.

Go back and reread my reply to the fourth quote.

And yes I do foraging which involves hunting to get resources to craft with so that is something else I do other than just crafting, though it is crafting related.

 

[Tanivar]

It's pretty obvious that Tanivar is one of these scripters we're talking about. Who would play UO to craft items that cost about 8 gold and sell them to an NPC for 10 gold by hand?
Nobody should be buying this bs...

Your Crafter isn't skilled enough to make leather and metal armors? <laughs> Sells for a lot more than 10 gold old b.s.er

 

[Driven Insane]

Never said it was them doing for their own gain. What I said is that with access to so many gamers computers, they have to be a major target for hackers.

Go find me proof that they have been hacked in their many years of operations. Your thinking is so whacked. If what you said was true, then I guess we should all remove our virus/spyware/adware scanners, because according to your way of thinking they must be major targets for hackers.

 

[Tanivar]

Go find me proof that they have been hacked in their many years of operations. Your thinking is so whacked. If what you said was true, then I guess we should all remove our virus/spyware/adware scanners, because according to your way of thinking they must be major targets for hackers.

Don't read much Tech News I take it? Don't read any news reports from major news organizations where various places announce they've been hacked?

You just made my ignore list. #1 since my return.

 

[Driven Insane]

Good, put me on ignore.

Sick of reading the garbage you post and your moronic responses where you dodge the questions I ask and contradict yourself left and right.

 

[claudia-fjp]

Total gold wipe. All of it. 100%.

Poor people in UO tend to have bad items. Rich people tend to have vast wealth in items. Wiping all the gold the rich will still be rich and the poor still poor. It's been to the point for a long time many players don't even bother looting gold off monsters. A gold wipe would get people out and about actually PLAYING the game again. Many many trillions of gold has been duped over the years and only rarely did they catch the dupers and delete the gold.

No, I'm not poor. Yes, I'd lose a lot of gold, but it gets really tedious dealing with the massively inflated about of checks. They're going to raise the cap on what you can put an item on a vendor for it's gotten so ridiculous.

Yes, yes, I know this will never happen. It SHOULD to fix past mistakes, but it won't.

 

[Tanivar]

They're going to raise the cap on what you can put an item on a vendor for it's gotten so ridiculous.

Yeah, that'll help fix the economy... <g>

You'll see some people buying storage increase items from the UO store though. It takes at least 40% extra storage to have that many checks in the bank. $$*KACHING*$$. Somebody involved with UO is up for a bonu$.

 

[The Zog historian]

The rules were your computer had to have a very good security setup.

My computer was on my own cable hookup at home.

Computer Internet use at work was documented by the system and monitored. Unlike many who post how they play UO or browse the forums at work instead of doing their job, any doing so would have found their rump in a sling the following morning. We were being paid to do a job, not waste time on non-work whatever. An older work ethic that has apparently gone out of style the last couple of generations. People under 50 or so tend to have a much different set of ethics.

I could not agree more. I work some nights and weekends out of necessity, with the luxury of refusing to stay in the office past 5. There's no way our IT department would accept Punkbuster on my computer. They would never know, but my sense of duty to my employer would demand that I report it. And I'm just 30-something.

At my work, out of necessity we've blocked Facebook, Myspace, though curiously not Linkedin (most of us don't need that much networking in our line of work, unless we want to gripe about our jobs and/or are looking for new jobs). We also have strict rules that deny access to sites with "forum" in the URL, that are suspected forums. The denial criteria are very heavy-handed, but with appeals. Just e-mail the IT department what site you want to visit, and what the business reason is!

 

[The Zog historian]

And trust me, nothing you're bringing home from work is that valuable. Because having worked in the financial and mortgage fields I can tell you the fact that you're even allowed to put work information onto your own system means either it's worthless information or your company's IT department/management is a joke.

Bullcrap. I can put data files on my laptops, tablets or home PCs as I see fit. I'm one of not many who's trusted with that privilege and will not abuse it. And having personally worked with our infosec officer, who's responsible for 4000 global employees and advises me on whether our subadvisers' policies are strong enough, I know he knows what he's talking about.

Maybe where you worked didn't trust employees to put data on their personal computers, for good reason. We've locked down most of ours, but the restriction you talk about is never universal. Oh, and I never work on anything valuable at home...just info about hundreds of millions of dollars in personal accounts, and equity research worth several millions per year per sector. You don't think I'm going to take the utmost care about installing something with the potential to scan any folders?

Punkbuster was never used, but there's always the first time. IRS systems were supposedly never to be used for personal curiosity about famous individuals' incomes.

 

[The Zog historian]

Good, put me on ignore.

Sick of reading the garbage you post and your moronic responses where you dodge the questions I ask and contradict yourself left and right.

Are you ever going to reply to his point or not? Tech news is filled with stories about companies getting hacked. Blizzard was recently hacked, for crying out loud!

And hackers have the easiest way when they come from within. It's so easy to look squeaky clean and pass a background check, and if you don't get access yourself, to befriend or strongarm someone who does.

 

[Lord Frodo]

2. Scripters farm resources
3. They have found items that can be crafted whose value to an in game NPC > than value of the resource itself.
4. They script make the items, and script sell it around to every NPC that will buy it.

OMG
So if a player does this he/she is either a scripter or stupid as stated by yourself and others in this thread. So in your think scripters must be very stupid to be doing this, but you state the are making tons of gold doing this so why is it stupid for a player to do this.

Please make up your mind.
Scripters are making tons of gold and a player is smart enough to make the same things

or

Scripters are stupid for doing this and any player that does it is just as stupid.

You can not say scripters are smart and figured out a way to make a ton of gold and at the same time say playes are stupid for doing it also.

 

[Driven Insane]

Are you ever going to reply to his point or not? Tech news is filled with stories about companies getting hacked. Blizzard was recently hacked, for crying out loud!

Good, post on an alt account. That'll strengthen your arguement.

The point is that yes people/companies are hacked all the time. So what is one more program going to change that, especially when that program could potentially solve so many problems that UO has in regards to cheaters. Might as well just uninstall your virus/adware/spyware scanners since they put you at risk as well. Hell why you're at it might as well remove Windows, given all it's security problems. So the point is that we're all at risk from being hacked daily. Adding Punkbuster or any other monitoring program is not really substantially adding further risk as people for one reason or another imply.

Besides most "hacking" isn't what people think where it's like the movie Hackers or the Matrix. Social hacking is generally the cause. Where someone who doesn't even have to have that much computer knowledge is able to get ahold of a password or router id, etc and gains access to restricted systems and does their damage there.

Finally I don't really care what your experience has been. I worked for the largest CC company as an Internal Consultant of Risk Management and Business Continuity Planning and before that I worked in the mortgage business with the heads of every major lender in the US. If your really allowed to download sensitive data to your personal computer... then yes...your IT department/management is asking for trouble. Part of my job was to monitor all the areas for clear desks and locked screens. These things, along with the ever so popular piggybacking into secured areas are usually the cause of most inflitrations. Not some well known and widely accepted monitoring programs.

 

[Driven Insane]

So if a player does this he/she is either a scripter or stupid as stated by yourself and others in this thread. So in your think scripters must be very stupid to be doing this, but you state the are making tons of gold doing this so why is it stupid for a player to do this.

Here's how it works though, let's assume someone can make 50k an hour doing this.

Honest player does this 2 hours a day = 100k per day

Scripter does this 24 hours a day = 1.2 mil per day

Then let's figure the scripter does this on 5 accounts = 6 mil per day

Honest player doing this 2 hours a day for a month (30 days) = 3 mil

Scripter doing this 24 hours a day for a month = 36 mil

Scripter doing this 24 hours a day X 5 accounts for a month = 180 mil


I can clearly see how this would be very lucrative for a scripter, but as a real live player, I could easily make alot more than 50k an hour doing something way less boring.

*If my math is off, it's because I did it in my head. Feel free to correct me.*

 

[Viper09]

Good, post on an alt account. That'll strengthen your arguement.

Hate to burst your bubble but The Zog Historian and Tanivar are different people.

 

[THP]

wind the clock back...dont allow event moderators to make items that are all singing all dancing and ''unique''...[Btw ....like was promised when the new EM program took over from the original dodgy GM program ].....iam sure most people just like doing the challenge of the events for themselves???

There......huge problem solved b4 it was created [END]

 

[The Zog historian]

Good, post on an alt account. That'll strengthen your arguement.

Accusations of sock puppetry, wow. Too bad I'm a different person.

The point is that yes people/companies are hacked all the time. So what is one more program going to change that, especially when that program could potentially solve so many problems that UO has in regards to cheaters.

So you agree about companies being hacked. Why is Punkbuster going to be any different?

Might as well just uninstall your virus/adware/spyware scanners since they put you at risk as well.

Malware scanners don't scan for the purpose of returning information.

Hell why you're at it might as well remove Windows, given all it's security problems. So the point is that we're all at risk from being hacked daily. Adding Punkbuster or any other monitoring program is not really substantially adding further risk as people for one reason or another imply.

When not running Ubuntu, I use locked-down versions of Windows. And they're just fine. I don't need something that sends information to Punkbuster, who could easily hire a rogue employee that might sleep for months before seizing an opportunity.

Besides most "hacking" isn't what people think where it's like the movie Hackers or the Matrix. Social hacking is generally the cause. Where someone who doesn't even have to have that much computer knowledge is able to get ahold of a password or router id, etc and gains access to restricted systems and does their damage there.

If you really were an authority in this, you'd have called it by the proper name "social engineering," which falls into the second example I'd given in my previous post.

Finally I don't really care what your experience has been. I worked for the largest CC company as an Internal Consultant of Risk Management and Business Continuity Planning and before that I worked in the mortgage business with the heads of every major lender in the US.

Congratulations! Being a fifth wheel wins you a cookie, and I won't even start speculating on why you are no longer at "the largest CC company," or the nonsensical generality of "worked in" means. Look, stop being a poseur. "Don't you know who I am" -- actually "Don't you know who I was" -- isn't going to work here when your initial tactic of blowing smoke has failed.

There are commercial and freeware programs to scan for all types of malware, used all over the world, and the software is customizable in search folders and other exclusions. We're talking billions of PCs around the world. I'm not about to trust Punkbuster with its far less widespread use, no matter the hypothetical benefits you claim it would do for UO. Even if I didn't have sensitive personal and work information, out of pure principle I wouldn't have Punkbuster on any machine I touch. You've surely heard the old adage about chains and weakest links, so you should know that a company's security is only as good as what the least trustworthy employee can do (deliberately or carelessly).

I will not invoke Godwin's Law, but you're on the precipice of "What do you have to hide?"

If your really allowed to download sensitive data to your personal computer... then yes...your IT department/management is asking for trouble. Part of my job was to monitor all the areas for clear desks and locked screens. These things, along with the ever so popular piggybacking into secured areas are usually the cause of most inflitrations. Not some well known and widely accepted monitoring programs.

So you were just a security guard. And as far as sensitive data on my computers, thankfully the world's businesses don't run on your opinion. Otherwise those of us with secure technology would be hamstrung by self-righteous ignoramuses who complain about unlocked screens but have no problem with questionable third-party software. We understand you now.

But wait a minute. You said, "Well known and widely accepted," meaning you're talking about something other than Punkbuster.

 

[The Zog historian]

Hate to burst your bubble but The Zog Historian and Tanivar are different people.

Careful, old friend. He'll start accusing you of being a second alter ego!

Reminds me of when one of our old friends got banned from that certain establishment/hangout, because it was thought I was dual-clienting.

 

[Dermott of LS]

...

Wow we went from defining the problem to proposing a solution that does nothing to solve said problem, to being told how to solve the problem, to playing on work computers, to hacking, to sock puppets... what's the next derailment?

 

[Zyon Rockler]

HAHA... It just goes to show what money can do to you.. I say make an exchange for new gold make all gold old gold.
You turn in old gold at 1 mill for 1 new gold.. Then every so often the gold becomes old gold.. SO you have to work to become rich again. Vendors will only take new gold and new gold will be worth so much more that it will be worth hunting and selling items will lose value. It will be worth working for it rather then doing nothing..

 

[Driven Insane]

what's the next derailment?

None from me, I'm done with this idiotic thread.

The cheaters won. They went to great lengths to make sure no detection software of any kind was added to the game and apparently it's still a sore subject.

 

[Ivonna Seasmore]

None from me, I'm done with this idiotic thread.

The cheaters won. They went to great lengths to make sure no detection software of any kind was added to the game and apparently it's still a sore subject.

awww did someone get mad, grab his ball and go home...........

 

[Driven Insane]

Not at all. It's just a pointless conversation when EA has no intention of doing anything to stop the cheaters who have ruined the economy and many other aspects of the game.

Also I don't feel like defending myself against a bunch of twits who nitpick everything I say. So I messed up one little definition. Could it be that it was late and I was tired and since I haven't worked in that industry for years that I didn't bother jogging my memory for the exact correct terminology. I could easily sit there and insult them and question why a bunch of know it alls, who are clearly leaders in the corporate world, are working at companies that apparently can't buy their employees a laptop for work use only. Or why these genuises who are certainly so much smarter than us peons that they must be making 6 figures a year don't just buy a machine solely for gaming, thus eliminating the need for them to install and play games on a computer that contains their work's deepest secrets. Contrary to what was said above, I was far from a security guard. I don't know many security guards with an in depth knowledge of Risk Management and BCP systems such as the LDRPS system......yeah go google it. Every company I worked for handed me a brand new laptop and cell phone to use for work. I never felt the need to install UO or any other game on it as I have plenty of personal computers for that purpose.

And as to why I'm no longer with that company....I resigned after a few years. I did not like traveling due to the motion sickness that I've mentioned before in threads about 3d gaming and I also did not like being away from my family.

Back to the actual subject of cheaters and the mess they've created in our beloved UO. When this subject intially came up years ago, everyone who wanted something done about the cheating was beaten down by these same types of people claiming it was an invasion of their privacy or that the moment they allowed PunkBuster or any other monitoring software on their machine they would, with a 100% certainly, have everything stolen off their computer. Well they won, and the cheating continues along with the decline of the game.

Finally, feel free to keep your smartass comments to yourself. If that's all you've got to contribute then it's nothing more than trolling.

 

[Tanivar]

awww did someone get mad, grab his ball and go home...........

No, still here. There just isn't much point in wasting time reading replies where the person posting them clearly didn't read the posts he's refering to. Since that trait is common to his posts, I made use of this new Forums Ignore feature.

 

[Driven Insane]

No, still here. There just isn't much point in wasting time reading replies where the person posting them clearly didn't read the posts he's refering to. Since that trait is common to his posts, I made use of this new Forums Ignore feature.

Hey bud, you're replying to a post that wasn't directed at you. Maybe take your own advice and learn to read. :loser:

**This guy's just pissed from another thread from about a week ago because he hates Fel, PvP and PvPers. Not someone's opinion I care about anyways**

 

[Tanivar]

Hey bud, you're replying to a post that wasn't directed at you. Maybe take your own advice and learn to read. :loser:

Your post wasn't there to read.

This new Forums ignore feature does a much more thorough job of ignoring a poster than the old Forums did. Sheesh, any quotes from you in other posts and any posts by you are just not there. I clicked show ignore to do the courtesy of at least reading a possible reply to my mention of you and found that out. Think I liked the old Forum's Ignore better. It at least listed a post notice and who it was from to avoid this happening.

And with that, your gone again.

 

[Zyon Rockler]

Well I think maybe we should look at what makes cheaters always get the better hand more then try to stop them make it fair in the range of doing something forever none stop and well being human. I do not think my self that punk buster is the way to go cause to me its bad game systems that make it the way it is. I would rather see changes to the way things are put in the game rather then trying to stop ppl from doing something. I just think ppl will find a way around it so you should balance it from within.

Like capping the amount one can make in so much time. rather then trying to see if they are doing it or if a macro is doing it. I do not care myself as long as they are paying to play and not using a dupe. I would like to see things that can be done with out a person being there but to tell the char to move to the next place. I think making things real hard to do makes the game a waste of time. Like boats should be one man run where you have over lay system to work everything for you. That makes it easy for a macro or bot to take over. This is true but in turn it makes the game more fun and playable.

Vendors need to be redone with new stuff on them better suits and stronger made things that cost more. The stuff on them now makes them out dated to say the least. New chars should be like oh wow look at the cool stuff i can buy. Not like what is this stuff on here orc loot or something? The changes that are needed are just coming to slow cheating is something that happens when a game is no longer fun or worth playing the way the game masters think it should be. So much for the way things should be.

Windows sees everything we do, Our phones can hear us see us follow us around even record us. Our computers can do alot more and soon the coffee maker and the toaster are going to get in on it. I would not be to far gone to say that a tv can see into your room as well as you can see into it. I know this is sometimes fantasy. You need to ask your self how much are you willing to give up and if fighting will really stop it, even maybe is it all-ready to late? What do you have to hide any how is that bad for you to be seen naked? Should we not hear what you think and feel?

punk buster was just a tool to learn and see not to stop you from doing things but to see you doing things. Think about it...
best thing to do is to make the game better for the ones who do not cheat and take it away from the ones who do.

 

[Petra Fyde]

I think that's enough on this.