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Bo Bo

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if you asked 90% of the shard you will find out i do give lots away for free..
Yeah and than ask for it back a few months later, and here is the other one Bo loves "If you’re going to ask millions for something you got FREE" so the next 120 myst or wait you a crafter the next great bod you get handed to you from a npc for free you just gonna hand it over to the Bo??
It is simple Siege is a vet shard, you can be killed anywhere! You and everyone else complaining here seem to have forgotten the full name of siege. It is Siege Perilous, in case you forgot what perilous means here's the definition
per·il·ous/ˈperələs/

Adjective:
  1. Full of danger or risk.
  2. Exposed to imminent risk of disaster or ruin.
 

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Yes It is Siege but we also need to find a balance.
The game need to be fun for all
There is alot, like Luka, who don't have mills in the bank. If it cost mills, when they try to PvP, they may just give up.
We try to get more players on Siege. We will get more red guilds too if we success that. If the reds guilds main goal is to make money from killing players, we may end up with an emty shard again.
It's nice to see an active red guild again, but sometimes, it's better to only get the wool from the sheeps than kill them all before new grow up. With that, I mean a little less looting or cheaper buy back may be better than getting alot of mills, only to see the a field without any sheeps and sheep dogs to hunt/fight.

Also instead of blaming everything on GIL, try to find back too, where GIL had some wanneby PvP'ers, who was willing to try to fight back. To make that happen, with both with GIL members and new blue guilds who grow up, try to go a little easy on them so they enjoy it and don't have to use most of their playtime farming money to replace their items. Let them use their time to get more shops up running and to have some fun fighting the reds.
 
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Rumpy

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If the reds guilds main goal is to make money from killing players, we may end up with an emty shard again.
Looks like Siege will become empty! No one forces people to wear nice things. Risk Vs Reward.

Please see above for full definition of this server.
 

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What did happen to that Jamie Fix, who wanted to help getting more players?
I'm not saying, don't kill or don't loot

I do know, your guys try to share the fun. :)

Looks like Siege will become empty! No one forces people to wear nice things. Risk Vs Reward.
True, but what is most fun, fighting someone, who can give you a little challenge or someone who die to 2-3 spells ?

I would just like to see an end of the Arr / GIL pancakes and see your guys having fun fighting and killing each others.

Don't get me wrong
 

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What did happen to that Jamie Fix, who wanted to help getting more players?
I'm not saying, don't kill or don't loot

I do know, your guys try to share the fun. :)



True, but what is most fun, fighting someone, who can give you a little challenge or someone who die to 2-3 spells ?

I would just like to see an end of the Arr / GIL pancakes and see your guys having fun fighting and killing each others.

Don't get me wrong
I think Jamie would still like to see more people on the shard. I think hes just frustrated after yesterdays drama and all that. I mean imo we have been far nicer then some pks have in the past. Pk guilds that would dryloot/rezkill you even after you had nothing on your body/cut up your armor and trash talk you as well. Not to mention buybacks almost never happened in the past. At yesterdays event yes ARR did kill people but almost everyone got their stuff back other then maybe Ginsu who I believe said he chose not to come back and get it, and the event was able to still go on. Well other then the robes I guess. But I donlt think anything we have done has been worthy of being called scum, I certainly have not done anything worthy of being called scum! I totally agree with you however that we should go easier on new players. Driving people off is only going to make the shard boring for us. GIL however is not a new guild most of their members that we have killed have been here for quite some time. I think the problem is lately there hasn;t been enough risk on Siege. People have gotten too used to having it easy with what little pks there have been normally looting lightly or not looting anything at all and almost always offering buybacks. So I do think to a degree some people on the shard really need to toughen up some. I agree too I want an end to the drama and crap and I really wish they would come out more and fight us because it is fun when people fight us! :)
 

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I think Jamie would still like to see more people on the shard. I think hes just frustrated after yesterdays drama and all that. I mean imo we have been far nicer then some pks have in the past. Pk guilds that would dryloot/rezkill you even after you had nothing on your body/cut up your armor and trash talk you as well. Not to mention buybacks almost never happened in the past.
Yes and I like your guys alot. I do really feel you all try to share the fun.
I also know, most of you go alone insted of being a gang, who don't leave their victim a chance to try to fight back.
I do understand Jamie is frustraded and I understand GIL is it too. Noone like being called scum or in other ways disrespected.

At yesterdays event yes ARR did kill people but almost everyone got their stuff back other then maybe Ginsu who I believe said he chose not to come back and get it, and the event was able to still go on. Well other then the robes I guess. But I donlt think anything we have done has been worthy of being called scum, I certainly have not done anything worthy of being called scum!
The killing may had been a little annoying but was placed between the events 3 parts, and I did not hear anyone complain about looting. I sure had fun even when I had to run alot instead of fighting. Can't fight 2-4 at the time, I'm a rusty old lady :p
And no, scum is the last thing I would call Arr, I find you are very mature PK guild, we sure had seen a few in the past, who may deserve the label scum.

[qoute]I totally agree with you however that we should go easier on new players. Driving people off is only going to make the shard boring for us. GIL however is not a new guild most of their members that we have killed have been here for quite some time. I think the problem is lately there hasn;t been enough risk on Siege. People have gotten too used to having it easy with what little pks there have been normally looting lightly or not looting anything at all and almost always offering buybacks. [/quote]

Yes even a few NEW2's had feeled it was a little to safe, at least one told me :)

So I do think to a degree some people on the shard really need to toughen up some. I agree too I want an end to the drama and crap and I really wish they would come out more and fight us because it is fun when people fight us! :)
About the event, I think many feeled the robe was a special item, not something they was going to sell but keep as memory. I think most would had found a buy back price of 500k fair but several mills was more than most could afford. I know we got the robes for free, so we did not lose money but still it was something special for the ones, who took part in the event.

I really hope we can get a little peace before next event. I do expect PvP there too. Maybe wait with the looting to after last part of the event, let the blues try to fight without risk for looting between the events. I think I was frustrated because without my bow, I could not put up a fight at next attack. I would not had minded losing my bow and armor at last attack, I really did not expect to get it with me home.

I don't know how the others feel about it. Sure there may be a few, who don't want any PvP at all but it is Siege.
When UDL invited all to a knighting, they would kill all, who did not leave fast after the event, but they would not loot any of them.

It may be a goood thing to have some events, where all can try out PvP with little risk, I know we had that in the past.
Maybe some shards events like that, could be a good thing.
For many it was great, that at this events, they could hang out with the reds in a peaceful way, knowing, that next day, they again would be their target with risk for looting.

Just some thoughts as I really want to see Siege alive again without being a carebear land
 

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Siege rule #1 has always been: Never wear what you can´t afford to lose.

If you´re going to an event where there might be a drop, bring a throw away blessed weapon that you can afford to unbless in order to bless the event drop if you want to keep it.
Or if you have a bag of sending on you when the event item drops, use the bag.
Or if you have a stealther friend, give item to him and let him stealth away and secure it.
Or like Freja said, bring a CBD in case the item can be blessed with those.

I know it sucks losing a memorial item that you wish to keep but if you really want to secure it, use the Siege bless on it, you can always replace a weapon.

Oh, and GIL rules!!!
 

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Aye, I agree - PK's and PvP belongs to Siege! ...but:

1. PvP is Player versus Player fighting -> when one person doesn't fight back it's plain pk'ing
2. PK'ing is only fun (that moment) for one person, the other one is hindered to further take part in the game/event for some time (healers being killed).
I also made friends with PK's when I showed back up, leaving a distance to my corpse waiting for them being finished looting.
Killing that person again after she/he re-equipped the stuff from corpse is ress killing, that simple (spoils the fun).
3. Events are made for the community, not for individuals. 1/3 kills 2/3 like it was at the Siege Olympics - yes, it was ok for me, no crying.
Still I'd have preferred to be able to follow the games and take part in 'em at that point.
4. Thinking in a social dimension, we have conflicting interests.
A) Going berserk on everyone that doesn't wear your tag/color. Taking away one or all item to make money with it in its easiest way. What is that kind of behavior? Showing superiority over another player, that simple and taking joy from it.
[here I left the observing and made a personal judgement]
B) That other group, being socialized to an extent that they behave in a particular behavior part of socially desirable. Those like that events character,
the community feeling maybe and to some extend an item to take home to be reminded of it.
Group A can take all that easily away from group B, looking at their own interest only. Group B is no harm to A. Group B can easily exist without
Group A (nothing I'd be looking for), but not vice versa.
Again, PK'ing belongs to Siege to a certain amount, going over the top with some actions that either effects c)many d)influential players divided by
frequency of actions won't outlaw the action (at least on Siege interestingly) in general but rather the individual person [see Diablo e.g.].
Does it effect single players attitude for further events and taking part in them (on Siege)? Imo it does.
The common saying here is "if they can't take it they are not worth Siege". Is that so? As group B (you remember above?) you've grown used
to get killed or at best fight back and even kill back (PvP in its best way) but asking for respect for both sides interests, killing in the end, is too much asking
and close to socialized real world? ...What are the rules of the game?
Spoiling the fun for some by few by harassing/bullying? We got factions, seems not to be enough.
Get PvP organized, surely EM Aurora is holding a tourney in the future. Be assured that fighting there is much more honored than killing the running.

Communities can just live with respect to each other otherwise there will always be social strife. I don't want Siege to be labeled "Paradise for antisocial
behavior", it's just a game, I know - still it's interesting that sometimes real life fares better with interest conflicts than it's done on this server.

For future events: Play respectful, otherwise in the end it's no more than stealing a baby's toy and be proud of it.
"With great power comes great responsibility"!

Someone wrote down the final results? I saw bow shooting in colour: gold for White Knights, silver, bronze?
The other ones were mostly black&grey ;) ...the boat race was won by Black Knights - who cheated imo :twak:, second by Red Knights aka :arr:
and third place White Knights; still I doubt those results :mf_prop:

Thanks to the PvP/PK people playing fair and to EM Aurora never losing her faith...guess we are all winners :grouphug:
 
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Rumpy

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What did happen to that Jamie Fix, who wanted to help getting more players?
People started crying about everything.



Thing is, I am going to kill anyone I see and everyone I see. I'm going to loot them, heavier now and buybacks will be rare less its 500k or more. We were being nice before, I can't speak for what my guildmates do, but I know we are all kind of over people complaining about nothing, so now I think its time to give people something to complain about.
 

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People started crying about everything.



Thing is, I am going to kill anyone I see and everyone I see. I'm going to loot them, heavier now and buybacks will be rare less its 500k or more. We were being nice before, I can't speak for what my guildmates do, but I know we are all kind of over people complaining about nothing, so now I think its time to give people something to complain about.
I wasn't complaining. I just asked if I could buy it back. Since I can't afford it, life goes on. Your being more sensitive about this than I am. But I have played this game before. I emember when Yama always used to cut up my armor. *giggles*
 

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yall had the last 2-3 years of no pvpers/reds on this shard. guess what where is the population??? did it all leave once a red showed up?? dont blame the reds/pks/pvpers for the lack of population! Bo blames those that dont help and the devs! Cant speak for the entire Arr guild but Boself has helped more people than most. Y'all should ****can your elitist attitudes and try to find the real problems here.
 

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Thing is, I am going to kill anyone I see and everyone I see. I'm going to loot them, heavier now and buybacks will be rare less its 500k or more. We were being nice before, I can't speak for what my guildmates do, but I know we are all kind of over people complaining about nothing, so now I think its time to give people something to complain about.
Start with me and get some of that anger out of your body, your bad :pirate: :lick:
 

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I wasn't complaining. I just asked if I could buy it back. Since I can't afford it, life goes on. Your being more sensitive about this than I am. But I have played this game before. I emember when Yama always used to cut up my armor. *giggles*
I wasn't talking or referring to you.
 

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yall had the last 2-3 years of no pvpers/reds on this shard. guess what where is the population??? did it all leave once a red showed up?? dont blame the reds/pks/pvpers for the lack of population! Bo blames those that dont help and the devs! Cant speak for the entire Arr guild but Boself has helped more people than most. Y'all should ****can your elitist attitudes and try to find the real problems here.
I don't think that the PvP/pk'ing is the root of population lack. Just talking about my points it's about equal fun for everybody, no matter the play style and a hand full of thoughtfulness. My talk was about attitude.
Finding the real problems might be that other thread good for, future plans for Siege. For or against second char slot, second house on Siege, etc.
The discussion taking place there will hopefully be read by the devs and taken care of accordingly...
 

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bo said it years ago, just put insurance on this stupid perilous shard and than all the nampy pamby people which seems to be most of you will not cry when you lose your ****. Which leads me to my next point you might as well change the description of this shard on the shard page list on this website. Cause the only thing bo is hearing is namby pamby crying from a bunch of spoiled little girls not getting there stupid robes. Which if any of you had a half of brain y'all realize that there is a part 2 to this event, and guess how the EM will be making the teams again! What a bunch of morons!
 

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Exactly and that's where we'll see who has his lessons learned and does better :)
 

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I am disgusted in the turns this thread has taken.
 
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Kelmo!

I left a "White Knights" robe in the mailbox of your Abyss house for Luka...

I have had no luck finding you or her on Siege as of late...

:mylittlepony:Thanks!
 

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Guess you all dont remember the orc sandy event. Saint Dismiss managed to make about 7-10 new players leave that wanted to start a new orc guild. All the new people that did that event were brand new, then Dismiss wanted 500- 1mill per sandie. Needless to say that every single person from that guild quit that day... With proud statements of how they were crybabies and not Siege material. Now lets move forward to Rumpy and Bo's statements of risk vs reward. Bottem line is that when your rich you dont care. Or when your sooo good at playing and paying that you dont give a toot about what the other guy might be feeling.

Some people honestly DONT CARE about who or how they hurt a complete stranger or pixel. Certian people play this game acting like they're nice pixels but proofs in the pudding. My favorite statement is when the PK loots items and then cant figure out why no one trades or plays with them. I can think of at least 5 names of past players who quit and were honestly dumbfounded why no one would play or trade with them. These people would complain cause others would smokebomb or plain run away... no one would trade and bann them from vendor houses. So remember who does what to you and the community and treat them accordingly.
 

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Wait Guardian KX is gonna preach to someone about who does what to the you and the community and treat them accordingly. Are you serious.. Do you have any clue what you have done in the past?? Do you not remember what you did to krystal?? Funny how your memory is selective. Now go back and reread Bo's post how bo has said it for years, that insurance would have cured all these namby pamby peoples woes. Stop tryin to pile on and state something useful for once.

and to kelmo--- Bo could give a crap how you feel, Bo knows that comment is directed to the Bo. Bo read your post before you edited it. Bo is simply stating facts. If people cant handle losing a stupid robe that they will prolly be able to get again next week, than they seriously shouldnt be playin here. And its funny it was your idea in vent to kill them and take there robes, specially lukas.
 

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I imagine right now Luka is feeling about as embarassed as I was when someone else took it upon themselves to complain that I had been killed and looted when I had no intention of protesting myself. Luka did exactly what I do, ask if the'new owner' would sell back.
When the answer is 'yes' but the price is too high you just shrug your shoulders and move on. Diablo got to keep a robe of power that I lost because I didn't like his price.
Killing and looting of robes at this event was expected. The extortionate price being put on their return was not, most people here don't indulge in 'rares' trading and do not consider these robes to be such, just momentos of an enjoyable event.
And now, to save Luka from further embarrassment, I think this thread is done.
 
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