Can we fix faction rank? So I can have a shot at rank 10 without cheating?

[Don't Tread on Me]

let anyone in factions wear any artie, but take away their "buffs". It will let more ppl cross shard PvP, which only helps everyone, while giving no one an extra advantage.

The "buffs" are what makes a lot of the faction arties relevant for pvp. Lets take, for example, HCI on Stormgrip. That HCI lets new faction dexxers have a chance to get their needed min of 45 HCI. HCI is a pretty rare mod, especially on non-arties. Sooooo, for someone new trying to pvp in factions, not having a kicker like that on lvl 1 stuff is pretty important. Also, the crystaline ring and orni are purposfully set up so that faction mages (once lvl10) can don the two and have 2/6 and +20 mage for mage weapons. Without the "buffs" it'd be at 2/3 and the mage would either have to make his own or wear the night eyes or horrible crazy gloves with 3 fcr. Pretty much everyone I know grabs faction arties so that they can pvp, not go up against some big boss with slightly better stuff. Faction arties are really set up for pvp and don't add all THAT much to the pvm fight.

A really good fix for the "unfair" thingy is to not have faction arties worn in tram ruleset. I personaly don't care, but apparently some people do. Oh, and one more thing, faction arties aren't fee. It takes a long time to farm up 5000 silver for a lvl 10 piece. And the PKers of the world are generally on a look out for silver farmers. I know I check when I'm bored.

 

[Orgional Farimir]

Without the "buffs" it'd be at 2/3 and the mage would either have to make his own or wear the night eyes or horrible crazy gloves with 3 fcr.

So with out the "buffs" someone who is in factions has to build the same suit as somone who PvP and isn't in factions. OH DEAR GOD NO!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Don't Tread on Me]

It's not about competition between the non-faction and the faction. It's about being able to suit up fairly easily for pvp as a main style of play. Pretty much all the non-faction peeps I see floating around are not pvp first kind of people. They pvp sometimes. Faction gear was created to enable more people to pvp without grinding their butts off trying to get suits to allow them to pvp. Some people don't like the boss grind, but still want to be able to pvp. Is that wrong? Should someone have to spend hours and days doing something they don't like just to be able to compete in pvp? No, faction arties are and were a good idea. Faction rank / etc could be worked on, but the concept, imo is a good one.

 

[archite666]

Don't tread on me is my new best friend!

I agree 100%

I honestly think the only problem that needed fixed was to keep people who never go to fel from attaining arties.

My idea would fix that.

Make rank 10 achievable by anyone who works hard enough!

 

[Sevin0oo0]

Here's an addition to the IF Faction-Allied Monsters counted as Faction Members determining killpoint.
"Death at the hands of a Faction Enemy" and "Faction Friendly Kills" rules extend accordingly.
Points awarded should be balanced and scaled, to standard received Fame levels and total amounts of spawn. They need to become a challenge, as if using an opposing slayer to more represent the end challenge offered by a human controlled counterpart.
I do not think coverage area should be extended as enemy spawn is sufficient.

 

[Mirt]

Because the faction player risks stat loss every time he goes to fel and the blue doesn't. And, if the blue is at the gate, all he has to do is say "guards" and the faction red dies. Again, the faction player has no safe ground against the other oj's. And the blue charater can join factions if he wants do. But obviously he does not want to.

I spent many years of uo being the non-faction blue that you're talking about. I never had much, never played a whole lot, but like the game and the pvp. I could only field 1 non faction character for pvp. That's ok, cause i die, i rez, i fight again. In factions, I could field 4, but now back to one because I don't have the resources to re-build suits for my other 3. So now when I die, I can fight in stat or wait. The 20 minute stat timer is totally killing fights right now because not enough people have multiple characters.

Remember plenty of us on chesy are offering to help get you suited up if you need it.

 

[Bob the Merchant]

Don't tread on me is my new best friend!

I agree 100%

I honestly think the only problem that needed fixed was to keep people who never go to fel from attaining arties.

My idea would fix that.

Make rank 10 achievable by anyone who works hard enough!

Lol, your idea is a free hand out. Spend more time playing and less time complaining, that is my solution. Second, you STILL don't have a clue why factions were introduced. Why? All you care about is you you you.

 

[Sprago]

LOL you guys cry to much factions have been fixed for the first time ever go aquire new stuff and quit crying about faction armor they were to easy to get in the first place now you gotta be the top players to obtain the rank 10 thats as it should be SO STOP CRYING just get better

 

[Goldberg-Chessy]

It's not about competition between the non-faction and the faction. It's about being able to suit up fairly easily for pvp as a main style of play. Pretty much all the non-faction peeps I see floating around are not pvp first kind of people. They pvp sometimes. Faction gear was created to enable more people to pvp without grinding their butts off trying to get suits to allow them to pvp. Some people don't like the boss grind, but still want to be able to pvp. Is that wrong? Should someone have to spend hours and days doing something they don't like just to be able to compete in pvp? No, faction arties are and were a good idea. Faction rank / etc could be worked on, but the concept, imo is a good one.

Assinine.

Who are you to say that all non-faction pvpers on every shard are not serious? Thats just plain ignorant.

You on the other hand are quite lazy and I can support this statement by your own words in this thread. You want to compete in pvp but dont wanna "have to spend hours and days" ??

You are a real hardcore oldschool pvper *coughs*

 

[Don't Tread on Me]

Assinine.

Who are you to say that all non-faction pvpers on every shard are not serious? Thats just plain ignorant.

You on the other hand are quite lazy and I can support this statement by your own words in this thread. You want to compete in pvp but dont wanna "have to spend hours and days" ??

You are a real hardcore oldschool pvper *coughs*

I said most, not all, big difference. And I said nothing about every shard at all, my experience is mainly chessy, so that's what I'm going off of.

And no, I am not a real hardcore oldschool pvper at all. But I like to pvp, I like playing with my guild, and I like factions (mostly because of stat, honestly, inflicting it and ovoiding it). I have not played the game sinse beta. I do not have billions of gold in the bank (I don't even have 10s of millions). I enjoy pvping. I don't even come close to fielding a top notch suit, and am having a hard time trying to field a mage suit, but with the hour or two a day I have to play, I do with what I can. I should NOT have to spend my whole life on a game to competitively pvp. I know I'll never be rich or have 1/10 of the stuff that bob the merchant has, but I like that I can finish my suit around faction arties (still very time consuming for me to collect everything I need) and pvp for an hour or two when I get on.

 

[Bob the Merchant]

To those who complain about gold, it is extremely easy to make in all sorts of ways. Standing in fel waiting to kill another factioner is not the way to do it. Without cake, you do not have cake to eat. Make a cake, and there will be cake left over.

Reminds me of "give a man a fish, he will eat for a day. teach a man to fish, he will eat for a lifetime." Most of these folks just want the damn fish.

 

[Orgional Farimir]

It's not about competition between the non-faction and the faction. It's about being able to suit up fairly easily for pvp as a main style of play. Pretty much all the non-faction peeps I see floating around are not pvp first kind of people. They pvp sometimes. Faction gear was created to enable more people to pvp without grinding their butts off trying to get suits to allow them to pvp. Some people don't like the boss grind, but still want to be able to pvp. Is that wrong? Should someone have to spend hours and days doing something they don't like just to be able to compete in pvp? No, faction arties are and were a good idea. Faction rank / etc could be worked on, but the concept, imo is a good one.

So once again let everyone in factions have the arties, with out any buffs. I am in a simular boat as you. I only play maybe 5-8 hours a week now because of work and RL. During those 5-8 hours I Prefer to PvP, not PvM, craft, or anything else this game has to offer. But I am not factions simply because factions on GL is pointless. With imbuing it is NOT that hard to get a good suit together with out the faction buffs. The only people who complaine about not having the over powered faction buffs are the people who rely on them for a crutch.

 

[archite666]

Lol, your idea is a free hand out. Spend more time playing and less time complaining, that is my solution. Second, you STILL don't have a clue why factions were introduced. Why? All you care about is you you you.

This guy again?

Post the suit or Don't post at all. kthx.

 

[archite666]

So once again let everyone in factions have the arties, with out any buffs. I am in a simular boat as you. I only play maybe 5-8 hours a week now because of work and RL. During those 5-8 hours I Prefer to PvP, not PvM, craft, or anything else this game has to offer. But I am not factions simply because factions on GL is pointless. With imbuing it is NOT that hard to get a good suit together with out the faction buffs. The only people who complaine about not having the over powered faction buffs are the people who rely on them for a crutch.

I wouldn't say its about crutches.

I would say that in pvp, people are always going to try to get the best suits possible, for the biggest advantage possible. If they didn't no one would wear armor at all.

Some people want a shot at getting the best mod suit possible and some folks want a way to suit characters up rather quickly.

 

[Don't Tread on Me]

So once again let everyone in factions have the arties, with out any buffs. I am in a simular boat as you. I only play maybe 5-8 hours a week now because of work and RL. During those 5-8 hours I Prefer to PvP, not PvM, craft, or anything else this game has to offer. But I am not factions simply because factions on GL is pointless. With imbuing it is NOT that hard to get a good suit together with out the faction buffs. The only people who complaine about not having the over powered faction buffs are the people who rely on them for a crutch.

You can make a pvp suit without faction arties... true. I never wanted a handout, but I appriciate the ability to field a suit with 45 hci etc on my dexxer with my faction chars. I spent years as a non-faction blue learning to pvp and for most of that, I was unable to achieve my 45 hci. I finally got a glad collar and then was able to start playing. Years, really? I don't play a lot, I didn't have much of a guild then, but it shouldn't take that long to get the min requirements needed to effectively pvp. Granted, I probably could have got a totem or headress or something sooner, but it never worked out for me. Always something to do in game, can't always just run the gauntlet with a 2 man guild...

btw, there are non-faction arties that are extremely more powerful than anything the faction arties are doing. I agree that some of the buffs are absolutely not needed, but some are in place to enable "lesser" players to achieve the minimum needed requirements for pvp. Of course, now most people can only wear their stormgrips, fey leggings, kasa, rune beetle car, and maybe crimmie. At least that's a start though, right.

And for those who say I'm complaining about not having gold. Not true. I'm just saying that faction arties gives poor bastards like me a fighting chance to still be somewhat relavent in the faction fight. Though my archer only has 35 dci now because I can't wear my folded steal and i can't afford a normal pair. if i had a normal pair, 50 would be ok with me, i like 60 better, of course, but 50 would be ok. but i am wearing my mace and shields because that's all i have (spent months collecting gold for those for me and my bro.... long ago now).

I just don't understand all the uproar about the faction arties. It makes no sense to be all pissed off. They facilitate pvp. Bottom line. To me, that's a good thing. The more people out there, with legit suits, the better. I try to get just about everyone I know who isn't in factions to join, cause it only makes fights better. Why not? Stat ain't that long, and it's cool to put the other guy in it! And all you bluebies who already have your suits, well, you don't need to worry about the super-decaying faction point system either cause faction arties are the devil. Right?

 

[Bob the Merchant]

This guy again?

Post the suit or Don't post at all. kthx.

How about you post a decent argument why you should get everything for free and not have to work for it? Reforging gave EVERYONE the opportunity to get better than faction gear. Unfortunately people like you just talk and talk but never bother to listen. Good luck not getting your points bud, its obvious you spend more time as a board warrior than you do playing the game.

Good for you Money$$...

 

[Bob the Merchant]

Out of curiosity, did any of you bother to read the original faction charter? Guessing people like $$$ did not.

 

[archite666]

Out of curiosity, did any of you bother to read the original faction charter? Guessing people like $$$ did not.

Suit please, Move along.
Any other ideas for fixes out there? Rumor has it that there is def a fix in the works. We also have been working to subit feedback via uoherald. You can tell them how unhappy you are via this link Feedback | Mythic Entertainment | Ultima Online

 

[Petra Fyde]

I think this thread has existed long enough to get your points across. Cleaning out personal attacks is hard when everyone quotes them. Time to call a halt.