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Can we fix faction rank? So I can have a shot at rank 10 without cheating?
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If it were working properly, which it isn't.
And if it were working properly, what should I do if I get more points than a guildmate, but I don't need the rank they do? You can transfer points to another player at a rate of 4 for 5. So I transfer the points. How does that reward people according the their skill? It doesn't. The whole premise is a myth to begin with... So here we sit, with artifacts still in the game, but not everyone can use them, and not the "best" players are using them. (Not to mention the bugged characters holding rank/points or the faction thieves getting an average of 160 points per week at little to no effort on "dead" shards) I don't understand how that is fair, fun, or right.
And to the person complaining about ganks or how people "brought this on themselves" somehow by having more players in a fight... are people just not supposed to play? If there is a fight should there be a discussion on who gets to participate each time?
My point to the post was that even if working as intended, a majority of the players complaining about not being able to wear their artifacts would still be making their same complaints.
These same players complain about disarms. It costs mana, it's not like it is a 100 point skill anymore. Quit being so soft.
These same players complain about disarms. It costs mana, it's not like it is a 100 point skill anymore. Quit being so soft.
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At the same time the people on the opposing side (read: haha you can't wear your "overpowered armor" anymore!) don't seem to realize that people can, and are still wearing it.
I personally find that unfair and would rather an equal opportunity for anyone who wants to to be able to use the items that exist in the game. Those personal feelings aside, at the very least the system should be working properly. Sadly it isn't.
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I'm not buying anything this guy is selling.I am three characters on EU. I like to RP there and play events. I try to pvp there, but 175 ping makes that very difficult. Sorry, but I won't name my toons. There are some things best kept secret.
I still want to see this mage suit that all max stats, when we all know its impossible without factions.
Better players/cheaters don't deserve better gear. PERIOD
I shouldn't be competing against my own guildies for rank. PERIOD
I shouldn't have to rely on guildies to give me points to sit at rank 10. PERIOD
Exactly! Also, how is having factions (or faction gear) unfair in any way? Are there accounts that aren't allowed to faction up? If so, then it would be unfair. But that's not the case, anyone can join factions and get the benefits (and dangers). As for who moans and groans... well, I could field 4 faction players on my shard before this change, now I can only field 1. Fact is, that sucks.
Faction gear really isn't all that much better, and the super hype gear blows it away now days anyways, but a lot of people don't play all the time anymore and want to get on for an hour or two of pvp. Faction gear enables those players to still be able to fight. Don't take the extra mods, most are there for a reason. It's about impossible to get HCI for a dexxer (have to have glad collar) and the mix of 100 lrc, 40 lmc, 60+DCI, 2/6, and good MR is very tough to get without folded steel's 25 dci, fey leggings 20 dci, and an orni (granted the 3mr isn't necessary, but the orni is).
I just don't understand people hating on faction items so bad. It facilitates pvp and faction fighting. What's wrong with that? (would help if the system as a little more user friendly though)
Uhh, and if you want to compete just as quickly but not be in factions what is your option? Spend time and money.
Nothing wrong with that but it should be the same across the board.
Faction Stormgrip is way overpowered so why should a non faction pvper at the gate have that disadvantage when a faction red jumps him? Same goes for at least 3 other basic faction items that are dispensed like candy from a broken machine.
Wake up and see the big picture.
Because the faction player risks stat loss every time he goes to fel and the blue doesn't. And, if the blue is at the gate, all he has to do is say "guards" and the faction red dies. Again, the faction player has no safe ground against the other oj's. And the blue charater can join factions if he wants do. But obviously he does not want to.
I spent many years of uo being the non-faction blue that you're talking about. I never had much, never played a whole lot, but like the game and the pvp. I could only field 1 non faction character for pvp. That's ok, cause i die, i rez, i fight again. In factions, I could field 4, but now back to one because I don't have the resources to re-build suits for my other 3. So now when I die, I can fight in stat or wait. The 20 minute stat timer is totally killing fights right now because not enough people have multiple characters.
And stormgrip is only good for non-archer dexxers. Not very overpowering.
The big picture is convenience, no casual player wants to spend the time anymore farming for their equipment. Any player that wants to can spend the time to go to the new dungeons and get the equipment to make an awesome suit, those that do not wish to dedicate their freetime to this game anymore have the convenience of joining factions.
The thing is one player runs the risk of sitting out of a fight for 20 minutes, while the other can have an equally good suit and remain in the fight even after death. If a player only needed a suit on one server to have fun then I could maybe agree with you that faction artifacts should be removed, we all know that with the current population of this game that is just not the case.
My opinion doesn't mean much I am just a guy that stopped playing UO actively two years ago having grown tired of having to spend more time looking for a fight then actually enjoying the battle.
Most games with PvP rewards have higher items only attainable through the time-forged performance of more skilled players. This is just how it works. I understand that people can still wear it, I have non-thief guild members who still sport these items. These people utilize the game mechanics to their fullest (whether broken or not). I don't think you are giving credit to a lot of the other players who realized it was a broken system from the start (it wasn't a secret) and just never got into the habit of building suits around it. You set yourself up for disappointment there, because you were aware of the circumstances.
See what you can come up with with a 1/3 50 EP ring with 10 dci while using an enchanted coral bracelet and then get back to me. Until then, it seems you are just another player unwilling to accommodate change. Since reforging, my suits have been nothing but balls out. No luck for you? Try harder, and quit crying about what you think is possible. After all, it is impossible to know anything if you spend your time here being a negative nancy instead of on test trying things for yourself.
BTW, I guess you weren't a long term player judging by your own remarks. Had you been, you would have realized how ridiculous your PERIOD statements are. Like all these other people, you want something for nothing...without a lick of work put into it. Sorry *bro*, but this was NEVER how factions were designed to work.
To all the factioners, stop being lazy and adapt. The devs. made an easy button for your easy button.
That ring isn't possible? Unless you're using a bugged ecru.
Its not? I have had it for years now, and it used to be 75 ep. Impossible? I guess anything would seem that way if you get all your goodies by turning in silver instead of crafting or earning them.
My other EP ring? 1/3 50 ep 6 phys 5sdi. Want to tell me that one is impossible too?
I guess I should mention neither are imbued. :mylittlepony:
Oh no worries. I apologize if I came off a bit harsh, it just gets difficult sometimes when people consistently complain without taking the time to use the new resources available to them. I end up on the defensive alot as a result when I don't mean to be.
Have a good day and see you around.
Also, pie > cake.
Factions will be busted as long as you get points from killing other people as long as people can have multiple accounts.
I find it interesting that players in factions though it was ok as long as everyone could use the items while people who didn't participate in it felt it was wrong that a certain group of people got easy (essentially free) access to top end artifacts. And now that a limited sub-set of factions has access to those items, those who don't have access to those items have a problem with it.
I find it interesting that players in factions though it was ok as long as everyone could use the items while people who didn't participate in it felt it was wrong that a certain group of people got easy (essentially free) access to top end artifacts. And now that a limited sub-set of factions has access to those items, those who don't have access to those items have a problem with it.
You do know that it's possible to be red and not in a Faction right?
I agree with Goldberg in that there's no reason anyone should be forced to join that broken/boring system. I HATE Factions and always have, so why should I have to join?
If the Artis would have been the same as their normal counterparts then none of this would have been an issue. But our ever so worthless Devs, instead of fixing all the problems with Factions and making it into a system that was fun and enjoyable on it's own, they took the lazy way out and threw some overpowered pixels at it and essentially forced every single PvPer (and even non-PvPers) into that broken/boring system whether they wanted to or not.
Oh u poor baby. You just want to hit a button and have everything done for you.
How about you don't even have to log in anymore. The game can just play all your chars for you and you can stop by and check out all you've "accomplished" from time to time.
Good grief, the gimme what I want with no effort attitude of some people just amazes me.
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Again, this isn't how our faction system works.
Copy and pasted from my post above:
what should I do if I get more points than a guildmate, but I don't need the rank they do? You can transfer points to another player at a rate of 4 for 5. So I transfer the points. How does that reward people according the their skill? It doesn't. The whole premise is a myth to begin with... So here we sit, with artifacts still in the game, but not everyone can use them, and not the "best" players are using them. (Not to mention the bugged characters holding rank/points or the faction thieves getting an average of 160 points per week at little to no effort on "dead" shards) I don't understand how that is fair, fun, or right
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How about you stop trying to push your own agendas and instead post screen shots.
If it is so easy to match faction suits then why do you care if faction rank is easier to acheive?
Answer? Your probably one of the guys exploiting the system to maintain your privilaged status.
You reveal no information of your characters or items, and you just make conjecture after conjecture.
Your probably just stirring the pot to get this thread locked.
The majority has spoken. We agree this is broke. It is not about resigning suits, its about other people exploiting to get even better suits, thus getting every advantage they can.
Also even with those jewels you would not get the suit you claimed, so how about you just post screen shots of this supposed suit, unless its fictional.
Not "everyone" should be qualified to use them in a working system. You are taking it upon yourself to give your faction mate points. Perhaps you play on a very very low population shard where the new math is just wrecking things more so than elsewhere? Or perhaps the people you view to be the "best" are overrated since they cannot attain the pieces?
So the option is to make or transfer a char to a larger shard? This is not much of option after years of being in one place with the odd jump here and there....
I just wish some dev team would take the time to say something, anything other than "I've played for 10 years so I understand the game." Sorry miss, you don't.
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Aside from the point Picus has made above, Garillo is still refusing to see what it is I am saying. Or, perhaps he believes faction thieves are the best of the best PvPers. Or maybe the best PvPers are those who have a faction thief to transfer points to them?
I have killed the same person on my shard 7 times in the past week. He gives 1 point. He is rank 10. He will be rank 10 tomorrow. I can kill him another 30 times. He will still be rank 10. Is he the best of the best? Stop refusing to see the forest for the trees.
I have killed the same person on my shard 7 times in the past week. He gives 1 point. He is rank 10. He will be rank 10 tomorrow. I can kill him another 30 times. He will still be rank 10. Is he the best of the best? Stop refusing to see the forest for the trees.
Or maybe I think it's silly it's been months and we are still seeing these posts. I get what the changes did. I get how the points work now. Your shard is dead if the points are looking this this. If you want to pvp in factions you have to play a healthy population shard. That's just what the math plays to atm. I'm telling you there are plenty of non thief, faction pvpers who are not having a problem wearing their artifacs. The problem here is your shard. Not the system. EA fixed a broken system that you were taking advantage of. Your free gear ended. It sucks EA waited so long to fix it, I'll give you that, but I don't think it's sitting well for you that there are many not having this problem. The most unaffected players overall? The ones who never got into churning out character slots so dependent on a Broken. System.
Yes, transfers are needed for MORE than just factions people. Most shards are dead. This is a shard population problem, not a faction problem. EA should address this problem, or at least keep it in mind when they do their math.
Yes, transfers are needed for MORE than just factions people. Most shards are dead. This is a shard population problem, not a faction problem. EA should address this problem, or at least keep it in mind when they do their math.
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I disagree completely, What is it like 10% of a faction can wear rank 10? How would other people like it if there were only select amount of people who can be legendary mages, or get doom arties, or anything. Nothing in this game should limit an average joe from working hard or buying something they want in the game.
As usual pretty much I skipped over every post until the last here... Could it be that only 10% of faction members that you mentioned are able to use those faction arties because they have "SKILL" or are simply better at PvP then those who don't? I mean really lol when you think about it that's what it sounds like.
If that's the case then my solution would be to PvP, learn, get "skilled" and you'll eventually get to wear the faction gear. Until then, resort to old fashioned armor which is NOT that hard to come by? And really, i'm not like trying to bash on your post but you can't exactly toss out a number or percentage like 10% and suggest that acounts for every faction member on every single shard. It's not a number any of us is going to know because simply put, you don't know everyone in the game lol and so theres no way of telling whether or not they have a faction toon on say a different shard than what you play on.
If that's the case then my solution would be to PvP, learn, get "skilled" and you'll eventually get to wear the faction gear. Until then, resort to old fashioned armor which is NOT that hard to come by? And really, i'm not like trying to bash on your post but you can't exactly toss out a number or percentage like 10% and suggest that acounts for every faction member on every single shard. It's not a number any of us is going to know because simply put, you don't know everyone in the game lol and so theres no way of telling whether or not they have a faction toon on say a different shard than what you play on.
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I've already explained how this is not the case several times in this thread.
Oh and its already establishe dthat the top ten percent of the faction are supposed to be able to wear the gear. She didn't make that number up. Its also not working properly on low population shards.
What agenda? More than likely I was playing factions before you ever considered UO.
Truthfully? I worked hard to put together everything I have in game. When I see a bunch of snot nosed kids dirtying up various shards with *holier than thou* ideals, yes I get peturbed. Nothing more annoying than a gaggle of griefers only intent on making things difficult for everyone but themselves.
Why do they do this you might ask? Its pretty simple, when you get something for nothing people tend to take the items for granted. Its human nature.
Privilaged? It took me years to get the gold to do what many of these people did for nothing. Does it tick me off to hear people griping that they can't wear something for nothing anymore? Yes, hell yes.
I don't feel that who I am or what I have is relevant to the discussion. What is relevant however is the facts (ehem, conjecture acc. to you)
1) reforging (one piece I own for posterity...3casting focus 5hci 2mr 2hpr 10lmc 25 lrc...name one faction piece better)
2) high end loot (7 modded ring can sure beat a crystalline ring, mr3 orny? who cares, I have 4 mr on some pieces.)
3) imbuing
No, I am just not happy with all the BS. People need to stop thinking UO is here to hand them stuff for nothing. If you aren't in the top 10% of your faction, don't complain if you can't wear your stuff because this was how factions was designed.
Also, I am allowed my opinion here. Like you I also care how the game is shaped. I have seen many a bad change take place as a result of overzealous posters here. Finally I came out of my posting shell when I decided enough was enough.
I just posted the stats on one of my pieces. I think with a bit of creative thinking you could figure out the rest. If you think it is still impossible, perhaps spend more time playing and less time posting. You may actually learn something!
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Anyone can say anything it does not make it true. You mention items which aren't even able to be made like your Ecru which is over 500 weight.
I don't think people should have to burn 100 barbed kits to get their suit, thats rediculous, even if the suits were able to equal faction arties suits ( which they are not) It would cost the person hundreds of millions of gold which is crazy.
Oh and here are my *facts* (Facts meaning things you can type on these forums inorder to prove your point but which are baseless and have little to no proof, much like what you have done)
I'm the one that invented factions, so I think I know how it was "ment to be"
I also played UO in secret Alpha which was way before you played so I'v been doing factions alot longer than you. Yes, factions was in secret Alpha.
I also logged into your account and saw that you apparently have huge stock piles of Ornys, mace and shield, and Conjurer's trinkets. I now understand why you don't want people to have access to faction items, your stuff would depreciate in value. I can't blame you now that I know your just doing whats in your best interest.
Boy, Its great to never have to prove anything we say.
Also, I do not have snot coming from my nose. Your begrudging depiction of all of us is well noted, and certainly makes you more credible.
Until you provide proof of this suit which is "equal" to faction suit status, I have nothing left to say to you. POST THE SUIT.
I don't think people should have to burn 100 barbed kits to get their suit, thats rediculous, even if the suits were able to equal faction arties suits ( which they are not) It would cost the person hundreds of millions of gold which is crazy.
Oh and here are my *facts* (Facts meaning things you can type on these forums inorder to prove your point but which are baseless and have little to no proof, much like what you have done)
I'm the one that invented factions, so I think I know how it was "ment to be"
I also played UO in secret Alpha which was way before you played so I'v been doing factions alot longer than you. Yes, factions was in secret Alpha.
I also logged into your account and saw that you apparently have huge stock piles of Ornys, mace and shield, and Conjurer's trinkets. I now understand why you don't want people to have access to faction items, your stuff would depreciate in value. I can't blame you now that I know your just doing whats in your best interest.
Boy, Its great to never have to prove anything we say.
Also, I do not have snot coming from my nose. Your begrudging depiction of all of us is well noted, and certainly makes you more credible.
Until you provide proof of this suit which is "equal" to faction suit status, I have nothing left to say to you. POST THE SUIT.
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I know right? The guy makes all these claims about how faction suits are not overpowered but he also says that not everyone should have them? He also claims its easy to build suits that are competitive to faction suits, you just need a bunch of gear which most people say is impossible to make and he won't post any proof.
I will have to set the record straight and post my suit here. I know what is realistic of a suit and I know that factions make it way easier to build around.
Factions was revamped for pvpers to not have to grind 1000 hours to get a suit. That is not the case anymore, thus its broken.
I will have to set the record straight and post my suit here. I know what is realistic of a suit and I know that factions make it way easier to build around.
Factions was revamped for pvpers to not have to grind 1000 hours to get a suit. That is not the case anymore, thus its broken.
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Welp, Here it is. The stats are: All 70s, 100 LRC, 40 LMC, 18 HPR, 16 MR, 25 HPI, 50 EP, 2/6, CF 4%, Damage eater 12%, 70 DCI, 6 SDI.
The only thing its missing is 9 SDI, but it was literally impossible to fit on here. I burned over 100 barbed kits, as well as farmed many of the artifacts and bought the few that I could not get. The legs were the only piece that were imbued in order to bring everything together. Take note of the high end arties, the slither and the -15 mage wep. This suit would cost about 350 million gold to buy.
I could have made it insanely cheaper with faction arties. So how much do players have to spend to have a competitive suit? People on here say we want everything handed to us? Really? Does this look like it was handed to me? I think factioneers want an easier way to build a nice suit. Which is what the faction revamp was intended for.
The only thing its missing is 9 SDI, but it was literally impossible to fit on here. I burned over 100 barbed kits, as well as farmed many of the artifacts and bought the few that I could not get. The legs were the only piece that were imbued in order to bring everything together. Take note of the high end arties, the slither and the -15 mage wep. This suit would cost about 350 million gold to buy.
I could have made it insanely cheaper with faction arties. So how much do players have to spend to have a competitive suit? People on here say we want everything handed to us? Really? Does this look like it was handed to me? I think factioneers want an easier way to build a nice suit. Which is what the faction revamp was intended for.
Very nice suit.Welp, Here it is. The stats are: All 70s, 100 LRC, 40 LMC, 18 HPR, 16 MR, 25 HPI, 50 EP, 2/6, CF 4%, Damage eater 12%, 70 DCI, 6 SDI.
The only thing its missing is 9 SDI, but it was literally impossible to fit on here. I burned over 100 barbed kits, as well as farmed many of the artifacts and bought the few that I could not get. The legs were the only piece that were imbued in order to bring everything together. Take note of the high end arties, the slither and the -15 mage wep. This suit would cost about 350 million gold to buy.
I could have made it insanely cheaper with faction arties. So how much do players have to spend to have a competitive suit? People on here say we want everything handed to us? Really? Does this look like it was handed to me? I think factioneers want an easier way to build a nice suit. Which is what the faction revamp was intended for.
No more excuses GUYS...let the bod collecting begin
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I will say it again,
Fix faction rank. Make it so average joes have a shot at rank 10. There are so many things wrong with the current system, its crazy.
Fix faction rank. Make it so average joes have a shot at rank 10. There are so many things wrong with the current system, its crazy.
Do you recall when you could make 75 EP ecru's? The first I crafted was this one. This is the lesser of the three. the two previously mentioned are in use. Please note its weight, then add another 100 weight for when it was 75 EP. I added other so called impossible to craft items just for you, FYI this is all from my *did not make the cut pile*. Please take note that many haven't even been enhanced yet.
Here is a the problem with the logic being implied here. By only using spined kits, I made a 45 hci 45 dci 30 sdi 50 ep 25 hpi 11 mr 9int 5hpr suit. The cold was 60 but it was corpse proof with above 70 phys. Hundreds of mils? Try tens of thousands per piece.
I refer to the picture included. Eat crow sir. Seriously. No need for me to post my suit, I think my "reject" pile should more than suffice.
So you realize then that elected faction rank also helps determine what you can and cannot wear? If you are faction commander, punkte upkeep is not required. So much for your know how huh...this stuff I mention is factions 101. Yet no one seems to bring it up, hmmm.
Wow, that didnt take long. I think it would take you at least a day to sort through all the shards, chars, and goodies. Value? Are you jealous or something dude, I don't care about gold. In fact, I used to be one of those people who would hand out suits in new haven. With that in mind, aside from giving it away gold hardly is a motivating interest.
Anyway, I will not respond any further to your quibbles. I know what is possible, and I know it doesn't take faction arties to do it.
Good luck to you, I hope one day you can wrap your head around crafting. Let loose your inner rainman and stop being obtuse.
Edit: one thing to mention in response to what you posted....where is the 25 lrc 10 lmc pieces? Without those it's impossible to do the LRC LMC in 4 pieces without using an orny or tally. Don't think those are possible either? Try reforging using 4 charges instead of 6. You might be surprised by the results.
With a bit of thought before hand, a person can build a VERY GOOD cookie cutter suit in no time. Also, factions were revamped to bring interest back into them, not make it easy for everyone to wear rank 10 items. Again, please refer to the faction rules that have been posted for years about the method points are supposed to be earned...not given freely to you.
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Once again.
My point: Factions revamp was made for pvpers to get quicker access to arties needed to pvp rather than farm for months. That is not the case now.
It currently only serves to make the higher tier pvpers even more powerful.
You have proven nothing. You said you already built a suit that is as good as a top tier suit without arties. Which we all know is false, your reluctance to post it, is even more proof. I would not be caught dead is that "Cookie cutter" suit you posted. 45 dci? Don't make me laugh. Can we duel now?
Do faction arties make the best suits? Yes.
Is rank being hoarded by a few select pvp guilds? Yes.
Is factions currently creating an even bigger gap between casual pvper and the elite? Yes.
I don't care that you can create a below average suit for cheap, we all know you can do that. I would have conceded that point without your wall of text.
You cannot match the power of faction arties suits. You have proven that.
My point: Factions revamp was made for pvpers to get quicker access to arties needed to pvp rather than farm for months. That is not the case now.
It currently only serves to make the higher tier pvpers even more powerful.
You have proven nothing. You said you already built a suit that is as good as a top tier suit without arties. Which we all know is false, your reluctance to post it, is even more proof. I would not be caught dead is that "Cookie cutter" suit you posted. 45 dci? Don't make me laugh. Can we duel now?
Do faction arties make the best suits? Yes.
Is rank being hoarded by a few select pvp guilds? Yes.
Is factions currently creating an even bigger gap between casual pvper and the elite? Yes.
I don't care that you can create a below average suit for cheap, we all know you can do that. I would have conceded that point without your wall of text.
You cannot match the power of faction arties suits. You have proven that.
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"Sorry to burst your bubble, but I already have that suit. Non factions even. Granted it doesn't have a crystalline, but there is no substitute for 50 EP"
Remember this post? I can quote too. I just showed you as close as you can get with nonfactions and you claimed you already had a suit even better than mine. Please explain before posting more
*Facepalm* at the people in this thread.
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
It is impossible to create a suit that is equal to factions. I have spent hundreds of millions of gold on my suit. I am an expert when it comes to crafting and reforging. I'v spent hours on test center figuring out the best way to get overcapped gear. I have burned over 100 barbed kits now on my gear and still I am short when it comes to my old faction suit.
This is pvp we are talking about, don't tell me you can make a similar suit with a few less mods, 1 mod is 1 mod. In pvp we strife for the perfect build because it gives us that much more of an advantage.
Heres a little exercise... Here is the minimum any GOOD pvp mage is going to want:
- Close to all 70s
- 100 lrc
- 40 lmc
- 15 sdi
- 18 HPR
- 16-18 MR
- 70 DCI
- Damage eater >12%
- 25 HPI
- 15 mage wep
- +15 magery
Now with 100 barbed kits, hours of crafting, Buying a crimson cinture, an Orny, A SLITHER, a -15 mage wep bokuto, various little artifacts, I have gotten close to this. However, with a few pieces of faction gear I could make something even better.
It is not a matter of reworking our suits, its a matter of not being able to achieve a certain level of efficiency as we once were able. Any one who says we just too lazy to rebuild our suits, does not know what they are talking about either when it comes to crafting or pvp.
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
It is impossible to create a suit that is equal to factions. I have spent hundreds of millions of gold on my suit. I am an expert when it comes to crafting and reforging. I'v spent hours on test center figuring out the best way to get overcapped gear. I have burned over 100 barbed kits now on my gear and still I am short when it comes to my old faction suit.
This is pvp we are talking about, don't tell me you can make a similar suit with a few less mods, 1 mod is 1 mod. In pvp we strife for the perfect build because it gives us that much more of an advantage.
Heres a little exercise... Here is the minimum any GOOD pvp mage is going to want:
- Close to all 70s
- 100 lrc
- 40 lmc
- 15 sdi
- 18 HPR
- 16-18 MR
- 70 DCI
- Damage eater >12%
- 25 HPI
- 15 mage wep
- +15 magery
Now with 100 barbed kits, hours of crafting, Buying a crimson cinture, an Orny, A SLITHER, a -15 mage wep bokuto, various little artifacts, I have gotten close to this. However, with a few pieces of faction gear I could make something even better.
It is not a matter of reworking our suits, its a matter of not being able to achieve a certain level of efficiency as we once were able. Any one who says we just too lazy to rebuild our suits, does not know what they are talking about either when it comes to crafting or pvp.
"Sorry to burst your bubble, but I already have that suit. Non factions even. Granted it doesn't have a crystalline, but there is no substitute for 50 EP"
Remember this post? I can quote too. I just showed you as close as you can get with nonfactions and you claimed you already had a suit even better than mine. Please explain before posting more
I see no mention of this system being created to promote UO on easy mode as you suggest Money$$. Transfer tokens were put in place to make moving characters around more easily.
Faction items were put in place as a reward for progression towards the ultimate end game, rank 10 faction commander. If you think that includes having point holders to get rank or triple point kill zones, you are mistaken.
Anyway, I admit I am guilty of replying...you sir are a good fisherman that almost had me on the hook! A quick suggestion though if I may, try putting as much time into campaigning for rank within your faction as you do calling people out blindly here on the forums. Perhaps by doing so, you won't actually need to kill anyone to wear ranked items or perhaps even end up being wrong again!
TL;DR version: quit crying, start playing. Nothing in life is free, same goes with UO.
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archite666
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You have yet to show the suit you promised. Until you show it, you don't have much credability here.
We are still waiting. Calling people out blindly? Seems people like Mervyn agree that I call out those who deserve it.
I'v had better luck here calling people out than attaining rank in game, hence the problem. Hence why i'm here. Its almost impossible to maintain rank. This is why we are calling for change.
I'm finished with this guy. Whose next?
*Takes a bow*
Fix Faction RANK NOW!
We are still waiting. Calling people out blindly? Seems people like Mervyn agree that I call out those who deserve it.
I'v had better luck here calling people out than attaining rank in game, hence the problem. Hence why i'm here. Its almost impossible to maintain rank. This is why we are calling for change.
I'm finished with this guy. Whose next?
*Takes a bow*
Fix Faction RANK NOW!
4 pieces of armor = 100 lrc, 40 lmc now. What part of reforging do you not understand? This is without a AoF.
btw, that is with 7 modifiers used incorperating mana phasing orb and Lt. Sash. That leaves you 13+ mods left from those 4 pieces and another 12+ more from the two you havent even considered yet (plus peripherals). forrest gump maybe I can see here dude, rainman no.
btw, that is with 7 modifiers used incorperating mana phasing orb and Lt. Sash. That leaves you 13+ mods left from those 4 pieces and another 12+ more from the two you havent even considered yet (plus peripherals). forrest gump maybe I can see here dude, rainman no.
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archite666
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*Yawn*
Now who has suggestions for how we should fix factions?
Personally, I'v never liked the competition within each faction. I think there needs to be other ways to get points. I think Rank should be determined on some sort of scale for each player. If the player works hard enough, though doing whatever activities are established, they should be able to reach rank 10. My first idea would be:
-Have faction monsters give kill points.
-Have each rank be based on attaining a specific number of kill points like 1 rank per 10 KP. Rank 10 for 100 kp or something like that
-Keep decay the same or possibly increase it.
The end result? Players have to go to fel to kill faction monsters every so often to maintain their rank, now you still take KP for killing enemy factioneers so average joes could run around and kill monsters and still be able to wear gear that their uber counterparts wear. Naturally this would lead to factioneers constantly checking faction monster spawns (Like demons at fire) looking for enemies farming their points. This would give us a place for faction pvp to happen other than yew gate. I'v seen this system work on siege. The other advantage is that no one would be able to get rank and never go to fel again as you would need to farm points fairly often, and elite pvpers would be able to get rank from killing factioneers still. Also the population of the shard would not matter.
If 100 KP is too easy, we could scale it so like 10 for rank 1 , 20 more for rank 2. That would mean 550 points would be required to wear rank 10.
Anyone here (with credibility) have any input?
Now who has suggestions for how we should fix factions?
Personally, I'v never liked the competition within each faction. I think there needs to be other ways to get points. I think Rank should be determined on some sort of scale for each player. If the player works hard enough, though doing whatever activities are established, they should be able to reach rank 10. My first idea would be:
-Have faction monsters give kill points.
-Have each rank be based on attaining a specific number of kill points like 1 rank per 10 KP. Rank 10 for 100 kp or something like that
-Keep decay the same or possibly increase it.
The end result? Players have to go to fel to kill faction monsters every so often to maintain their rank, now you still take KP for killing enemy factioneers so average joes could run around and kill monsters and still be able to wear gear that their uber counterparts wear. Naturally this would lead to factioneers constantly checking faction monster spawns (Like demons at fire) looking for enemies farming their points. This would give us a place for faction pvp to happen other than yew gate. I'v seen this system work on siege. The other advantage is that no one would be able to get rank and never go to fel again as you would need to farm points fairly often, and elite pvpers would be able to get rank from killing factioneers still. Also the population of the shard would not matter.
If 100 KP is too easy, we could scale it so like 10 for rank 1 , 20 more for rank 2. That would mean 550 points would be required to wear rank 10.
Anyone here (with credibility) have any input?
let anyone in factions wear any artie, but take away their "buffs". It will let more ppl cross shard PvP, which only helps everyone, while giving no one an extra advantage.
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archite666
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I can certainly roll with that. I would like to see a few more items added to factions like the potions and bandaids. You do after all, want to give some sort of incentive. Remember we make ourselves freely attackable and incur stat loss for 20 minutes when killed. Someone like me who has all his arties would have to have some kind of incentive. I mean personally, I will always want to play factions but we have to offer people something.
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Sevin0oo0
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The rank scaling and decay seemed fair, points didn't. To not get points by killing faction enemies?? doesn't even make sense.I know mobs give silver, but they're Still essentially Faction members.
The higher the rank, the better the available reward didn't make any sense to me either, seems it would have point of diminishing returns instead of making rank10 to be like a greater dragon battled by those in GM made only. Seems the low end guys are the ones that really need the boosts the most - as they get better, they can lose the reliance on those and further customize their gear.
I might not have any credibility, but I'm sincere.
What freely attackable? Only to people who choosed to be in factions, to get all the nice freebies and then only in fel.
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archite666
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I agree 100%
There is no sport where the better someone does, the bigger advantage they get. It makes no sense to have a reverse handicap. Thats one of the many fundimental flaws with the system.
"Hey your really good or... you cheat... either way... heres some more mods for your suit."
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archite666
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Yeah thats a big deal when your doing things like champ spawns. Think about the reds that roll in factions. Being in factions means you have no guard zone to protect you from the huge gank squads.
I'm just saying there does need to be a little incentive..
Personally, I think if you capture a town in factions, your faction should have signs or banners in trammel in that town. It would similar to another mmo I played where you got recognition for taking control of a territory.
But thats a whole different story.
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