Yah I have to agree, but I think that was part of the point of this pub. I almost died to a thrower in wolf form, so thats no specials just base damage and I was getting rocked. I run anat/eval and have about 60 DCI. I think your right lox I saw a post you made about anat/eval not working correctly and I am in total agreement with you. But on my template I only have 60 med, to cut that to 40 would not be nice...60 med is not nice as it is, so I'll suffer threw it. I also think that alchemy cure pot chances against lethal poison is a tad low, 100 points into potion making/using and I fail 6-8 times to cure.. just seems wrong to me. But I love that they made poison strong, no resist chars are damn near nerfed now because of it. But to try to stay on topic here, I think throwing was amped up because there were not many people running it, and a lot of people were complaining about how much it was missing when it first came out. I can remember half the guild I was in at the time spent a couple days training throwing and then soulstoned it off and remade the characters because they were not hitting the way all other 120 skills hit. I don't know all I know is you will never ever see me playing a gargoyle.. terrible race in my opinion.