Go play a trammy shard where players get to choose when and where they will experience PvP.You find a stealther thats wants to fight... kill it.
You are not a pvper, I do not know why i thought you could understand the game.That is up to you.
So you don't know how to deal with it.That is up to you.
He says Siege should have Trammel.You are not a pvper, I do not know why i thought you could understand the game.That is up to you.
Kelmo....you have to let this kid execute his crying. Its been awhile since he's posted a cry/rant thread and he's due for it.Go play there then. Stealth is working as intended on Siege.
Are you?Are you guys even reading my posts? Just curious.
I am, I've noticed that you have yet to counter with a viable argument to what ive said, other than quick responses that have basically no validity behind them involving the Current Discussion.Are you guys even reading my posts? Just curious.
Thank you for the input that had nothing to do with the Original Discussion.Kelmo....you have to let this kid execute his crying. Its been awhile since he's posted a cry/rant thread and he's due for it.
If you read any of his posts......90% of his post is a cry thread about something. He's an example of someone who will always whine about something. Someone give him a lolly pop, usually works with most kids who whines all the time.
Siege is not a PvP shard. You may PvP as an option. But it is not a PvP shard. Folks can play as they wish.I am, I've noticed that you have yet to counter with a viable argument to what ive said, other than quick responses that have basically no validity behind them involving the Current Discussion.
You have made it painfully clear that this level of PvP Discussion is Above your Head, and though you try to make it seem as if you Understand what we're talking about and why there is reasoning behind the examples that I have Given, it seems that you simply are out of your Element.
In other words, You still do not understand this game and what makes overpowered.. Overpowered.
I hear all this whining about Stealthing on Siege.....can someone tell me who's abusing stealthing? Last I knew.....there isn't many on Siege that is PVPing anymore. TNT quit, not for sure about Diablo's guild, and seems to me that few members of BFF is spending most of their time whining on boards about how stealth is so OP and how everyone sucks on this game and is so scared to fight BFF. Hmm......I guess thats the answer BFF is looking for. Theres no PVP going on Siege because everyone is scared of BFF. There you go BFF.......you have your answer now. I think we finally come to a solution why Siege is dead and noone is PVPing. BFF rules.....Stealth is abused. Thanks.
And Darkfall is fantastic, you should try it... oh wait, you're not cut out for games that work the way Siege is supposed to. Nevermind.
Siege isnt a PvP Shard and folks can play however they want, This doesnt not change the fact that Stealth is Overpowered and Abused.Siege is not a PvP shard. You may PvP as an option. But it is not a PvP shard. Folks can play as they wish.
I thought I'd put my 2 cents in since Drax wants to bring my name into this thread. Not for sure about some ppl, but I can play multiple chars on Siege. I choose not to due to getting dismounted and massed targetted. Yes....TNT doesn't have ppl who can play a mage, doesn't mean they suck at Siege.Thank you for the input that had nothing to do with the Original Discussion.
Don't worry, the Devs will do something about stealth eventually if people don't give up pointing out how over powered it is.Siege isnt a PvP Shard and folks can play however they want, This doesnt not change the fact that Stealth is Overpowered and Abused.Siege is not a PvP shard. You may PvP as an option. But it is not a PvP shard. Folks can play as they wish.
WoD Archers
Honor PvP
NS DS Evade
Old Evade
Old Ninja Form
All of these things have been Overpowered and Abused in the past.. and "Its not a PvP Shard and People can play how they want" Didnt change a damn thing when it came time to balance them.
So because others have abused stealth and agree that it's abused... they can't say that it's abused and over powered?I thought I'd put my 2 cents in since Drax wants to bring my name into this thread. Not for sure about some ppl, but I can play multiple chars on Siege. I choose not to due to getting dismounted and massed targetted. Yes....TNT doesn't have ppl who can play a mage, doesn't mean they suck at Siege.Thank you for the input that had nothing to do with the Original Discussion.
I remember you playing a stealther when you was running solo or small guild because you kept getting dismounted ganked on your mage. Now that you run with BFF, you attitude sure does change, hehe. Your a big man aren't you? There is only couple players in BFF that can really back up what they post on here and you surely not one of them.
My Main has always been a Mage, However ive playedI thought I'd put my 2 cents in since Drax wants to bring my name into this thread. Not for sure about some ppl, but I can play multiple chars on Siege. I choose not to due to getting dismounted and massed targetted. Yes....TNT doesn't have ppl who can play a mage, doesn't mean they suck at Siege.
I remember you playing a stealther when you was running solo or small guild because you kept getting dismounted ganked on your mage. Now that you run with BFF, you attitude sure does change, hehe. Your a big man aren't you? There is only couple players in BFF that can really back up what they post on here and you surely not one of them.
Sure they will. Just because you said so. Wait for it.Don't worry, the Devs will do something about stealth eventually if people don't give up pointing out how over powered it is.
The ones standing in the way haven't addressed a single concern brought up. They can't... they can only troll and insult.
As Kelmo stated.....if you enjoy other shards to much, play it. Quit crying on Siege since its not the style you enjoy.Oh BTW, I play on the test shard here and there..
Ironically, Stealth NS DS is Still one of the Most Powerful and Popular Templates on a PvP Shard that has Passive Detect, These people see to manage just fine, Why is this?
Because they are PvPers and Understand that you dont *Need* To rely on stealth to PvP.. Fient as an example is Amazingly Powerful for defense on this template, while not being so powerful that its an Instant Get away Button as Stealth currently Functions.
Sure they will. Because I and many others have made and will continue to make the case for why it's over powered and deserves fixing.Sure they will. Just because you said so. Wait for it.Don't worry, the Devs will do something about stealth eventually if people don't give up pointing out how over powered it is.
The ones standing in the way haven't addressed a single concern brought up. They can't... they can only troll and insult.
I could care less about stealthing......and I won't defend stealthing. I only stated how ridiculous you and few others are for whining over a template that isn't being used for PVP on Siege.So because others have abused stealth and agree that it's abused... they can't say that it's abused and over powered?
Awww.
If by your very statement...you dont care about PvP and really dont pvp...how would you know what is balanced or what isnt?I do not give a damn about PvP. I just play Siege. You folks go PvP all you want. If Siege is not your shard, move on.
You folks just want easy kills. Get over it. The skill is balanced.
There you go. EA/Mythic asks me about the rules. Want a tissue? *throws the box*Sure they will. Because I and many others have made and will continue to make the case for why it's over powered and deserves fixing.
But I'm sure they won't, just because you say so.
Ya.....the DEV will make some changes because YOU, state they will. You...someone who doesn't even play Siege, only come to Siege forum to run your cry threads.Sure they will. Because I and many others have made and will continue to make the case for why it's over powered and deserves fixing.
But I'm sure they won't, just because you say so.
Good thing it's NOT JUST ME.Ya.....the DEV will make some changes because YOU, state they will. You...someone who doesn't even play Siege, only come to Siege forum to run your cry threads.Sure they will. Because I and many others have made and will continue to make the case for why it's over powered and deserves fixing.
But I'm sure they won't, just because you say so.
Keep them coming.......your the town's kiddo drama and everyone gets a kick out of you.
To be honest.....I hope stealthing gets tweaked. I'm getting tired of you and few others continuing to cry over a template thats not even being used on Siege for PVP.Good thing it's NOT JUST ME.
I dont think anyone is really whining, people are pasionate about siege and would like to make a difference in a positive way on both sides of the fence...A lot of folks are heavily invested in siege as well as you...and from what I see, they want positive change...I could care less about stealthing......and I won't defend stealthing. I only stated how ridiculous you and few others are for whining over a template that isn't being used for PVP on Siege.
Elmer.....I agree with you, but its hard for anyone to back up a players view when he/they add "bashing" of players with it. There is only couple players who I would even respect when it comes to changes on Siege, hence reason: most players is all about what compliments their play style and not so much the whole "Siege" as a shard.I dont think anyone is really whining, people are pasionate about siege and would like to make a difference in a positive way on both sides of the fence...A lot of folks are heavily invested in siege as well as you...and from what I see, they want positive change...
what i dont understand is the fact...most people argue just to argue...as a comunity it would be much more productive if people would back peoples ideas who know more then most on a subject...and stand behind them.
If there was a real problem with fishing and a good number of folks who knew a lot about the issue were saying the same thing...i would back them up...they see an area that needs to be addressed so lets make it possitive...but since I dont like said fisherman....well,,,im just going to be a pain in the ass because its my god given right, even though i dont know **** about the topic really....very counter productive....a good number of good folks who think they know something when they really dont...
Hence the figure of speech "They Know Enough To Be Dangerous"
Case in point
Yessir.......that is very true and wise!!!!one hell of a thread here...good to see the same faces fighting over the same stuff
but really friends take a minute to realize siege is such a small community that everyone knows each other at this point. might as well be constructive together otherwise..you could find yourself more alone then you do now when you log onto siege
There are plenty of siege players...you just can see the little A-Wads.....there all stealthing aroundYessir.......that is very true and wise!!!!
Or how about the fact that an accumulative of 175 Skill (100 Hide/75 Stealth) is a defensive counter to ALL Templates (And skill variations) in the Game with the Exception of Tracking/Detect.Passive detect should go in. Based on this...
With 100 Hide, and 75 stealth, I will never fail to stealth, or hide. Im ok with this. But if my abilities in a skill are that low (62.5% of full scale), then I shouldnt be flawless in it. So if im walking around stealthed, at 62.5% skill, then i should make the odd noise, or error in my movement. Thus I should be revealed once in a while. So make passive detect with 0 skill work on a up to 100 stealth. Now im not sure the coding on this, but it shouldnt reveal a 100 hider. Since they are a good as it gets at hiding.
From there taper it back. a 120 stealther will never be passively revealed by a 0 skill player. However a 100 detector, should be able to passive reaveal 35-40% of the time a 120 stealther.
And passive detect will help the PvMer, the crafter, everyone. Since who hasnt been minding thier own business, and bang one or two people pop outta stealth and kill you. This is fine, but if they only put 75 points into stealth, and two of these half skill guys are trying to sneak up on me, im pretty sure I should hear them coming, and have a fighting chance.
It's a feature of UO, don't like it go play another game. See what I did there? On a side note, this is ****ing pointless since we already made a poll clearly showing favor for passive detect.What? You mean the vending machine arties?
What? Stealth is a feature of UO. Don't like it you say? You go play another game. OMGOSH... See what I did there? :gun:It's a feature of UO, don't like it go play another game. See what I did there? On a side note, this is ****ing pointless since we already made a poll clearly showing favor for passive detect.What? You mean the vending machine arties?
Just one question, if Siege is the veteran shard which by it's definition should make it more difficult (hence the Felucca only ruleset) then why is Stealth allowed to be easier to play on Siege than production? Surely veterans should be able to play it effectively even if it's weaker than on production servers? Stealth on Siege should be the way it used to be, you have to count steps and use the stealth skill after hiding and each time before your number of steps run out, no nerf just returned to the way it used to be.What? Stealth is a feature of UO. Don't like it you say? You go play another game. OMGOSH... See what I did there? :gun:
Not exactly true, I don't agree with the use of smoke bombs and refuse to use them. I use the hide skill, and if I can put 200 points in hiding and stealth then if you want to defend it, you also should have to invest 200 points. And trust me there is a player who actually invested the 200 points and he really is a pain in my rump and he actually gets the best of me the majority of the time (aint that right, Ru?). You cannot have your cake and eat it too, BR.They are all players who abuse hiding/stealth. They are scared that if passive detect goes in, Siege will actually become the hard shard. They're trying to preserve their ability to avoid other players and pvp at will.
Think of the non-pvpers... why should they have to risk being killed on Siege? Why shouldn't they have easy-mode travel, exploration and pvp escape?
No.. that's not trammel-ish at all. Why should there be balance? Think of the non-pvpers!
If you wont to know how to defeat and counter a stealther you must first become one, then and only then will you see just how many weaknesses they really have.How does one deal with the template?
Being of the Two Deadly reveal pvpers (Me on loki, or Ru) And have played both Reveal/Track and Hide/Stealth Extensively.If you wont to know how to defeat and counter a stealther you must first become one, then and only then will you see just how many weaknesses they really have.
I'm on prodo waiting for Siege to Come back, Playing a PvP Disco Dexxer, I'd hate to see what this board would look like if i brought that to PvP, people are already like this when you talk about nerfing their stealth, God save us if i Take your pets outa pvp to.All this argueing about stealthers and yet where are the true pvpers of Siege these days? Perhaps those of you who have left Siege to find pvp should all come back and build this shard back up.
My system has went into shock, this may be the first and very last time I actually agree with you!Stealth on Siege should be the way it used to be, you have to count steps and use the stealth skill after hiding and each time before your number of steps run out, no nerf just returned to the way it used to be.