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why not just ban me?
Ah, so that's your goal. I suspected you weren't aiming to be helpful.

Your concerns have been answered above: notably, the security concern referred to in the OP has been patched. That's the answer. If you don't like it, feel free to invent your own answer to suit your tastes.
 

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Ah, so that's your goal. I suspected you weren't aiming to be helpful.

Your concerns have been answered above: notably, the security concern referred to in the OP has been patched. That's the answer. If you don't like it, feel free to invent your own answer to suit your tastes.
check your PM for reply, this is off topic. nice try at trolling though.
 

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I will ask again. Do you use Norton? Does your "protection" flag Stratics as Unsafe?
 

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Ah, so that's your goal. I suspected you weren't aiming to be helpful.

Your concerns have been answered above: notably, the security concern referred to in the OP has been patched. That's the answer. If you don't like it, feel free to invent your own answer to suit your tastes.
check your PM for reply, this is off topic
Please see bolded text.
 

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good catch, one.
which version of norton are you using ?
take a wild guess how many Norton removal tools are available ? there is one for every norton product made since 2001 systemworks. don't be lame in thinking you need to use norton because you 'paid' for it with your computer purchase. i notice you didn't say a word about why you continue to use outdated ie and/or not use a real browser...
 

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*nods*

Norton does indeed have it's difficulties and as I stated, my dislike of Norton is my opinion.

The facts are that in the two technology departments at the two different school districts and 10 years I have been in tech, not ONE person will recommend Norton. And they do not volunteer/work for Stratics in any way.

AVG, Kaspersky, Avast, my corporate TrenMicro, Spybot, etc, running on my four systems are not flagging on this issue. If you wish to believe Norton over 4 other reputable virus programs, that is your choice.
 

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I will ask again. Do you use Norton? Does your "protection" flag Stratics as Unsafe?
you can ask as many times as you want. this is not about me, it is about you and your website.

think of me as a reporter, asking questions, you can fire questions back at me, but in the end, you are the one accountable.
 

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*laughs* That is what I thought. It is about you.
 

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*laughs* That is what I thought. It is about you.
now you are mocking me? breaking your own rules?

I honestly can't figure out why you and the rest of the censors at Stratics haven't banned me yet. get on with it. I have like 60 infraction points and I've been banned like 6 times in the past.

I must be good for ad revenue... ?
 
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again, your opinion holds no weight as you are an involved party.
And the opinion of someone who's blatantly trying to stir up trouble is so valuable to the discussion...

If you're so desperate to be banned, why not just click the "Log Out" link up the top of the thread.
I know it's not as dramatic - you don't get to complain about the mods abusing their power or anything like that, but at least you'll accomplish the "not being able to post" thing with a semblance of maturity.
 

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*laughs* That is what I thought. It is about you.
now you are mocking me? breaking your own rules?

I honestly can't figure out why you and the rest of the censors at Stratics haven't banned me yet. get on with it. I don't even play UO, I have like 60 infraction points and I've been banned like 6 times in the past.

I must be good for ad revenue... ?
LMAO. *saves this gem*
 

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*chuckles* We share your concerns. Talk to Norton. I am sure their forum is livid about this.
 

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now you are mocking me? breaking your own rules?

I honestly can't figure out why you and the rest of the censors at Stratics haven't banned me yet. get on with it. I have liked 60 infraction points and I've been banned like 6 times in the past.

I must be good for ad revenue... ?
every site has it's pain(s) in the ahse to deal with... ingwhatever your name is, were you bottle fed or something ? why do you require so much attention ?
why do you think Petra even has to respond to you ? she doesn't need to answer to you because of your pathetic brow beat attempt. update your pos system or stfu already.
 

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*chuckles* We share your concerns. Talk to Norton. I am sure their forum is livid about this.
you talk to them and report back to the Stratics community. that's what you should be doing instead of mocking users on your forum. *******.
I think you should sleep on it. You might feel differently in the morning.
 

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lol, now they are deleting the posts they don't like.

this is a f u c k i n g joke.
Relax, dude. This isn't the end of the world.
 

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Stratics is safe. That is all I have to say about that.
 

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Stratics is simply making use of a part of Windows IE, made by Microsoft.

That part of Windows IE was found to be flawed & vulnerable.

Norton reports that vulnerability to it's users like a good Security Program should. Better warned than unwarned.

That part of Windows IE has been fixed in IE versions after IE6.

Stratics was never the problem, Microsoft IE was.

Simple enough?


Sheesh... :)
 

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Norton has its good aspects. However it flags just about everything even if it's safe and you have to pay for the software. I have no desire to pay for software that finds problems with everything.

I also never use IE, its vulnerabilities are enough to make it undesirable for me.
 

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now you are mocking me? breaking your own rules?

I honestly can't figure out why you and the rest of the censors at Stratics haven't banned me yet. get on with it. I have like 60 infraction points and I've been banned like 6 times in the past.

I must be good for ad revenue... ?
So you understand that the problem isn't with stratics, you understand that stratics is safe, and you simply just want to be banned? Explains a lot.

Better idea, log off. That will save you time. No need to create such unnecessary drama. Unless you just want to be banned to satisfy some part of you.
 

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Stratics is simply making use of a part of Windows IE, made by Microsoft.

That part of Windows IE was found to be flawed & vulnerable.

Norton reports that vulnerability to it's users like a good Security Program should. Better warned than unwarned.

That part of Windows IE has been fixed in IE versions after IE6.

Stratics was never the problem, Microsoft IE was.

Simple enough?


Sheesh... :)
there was a problem being stuff put in here. Did stratics get sold and if so why is it once sold or traded did the problems all of a sudden start?
 

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there was a problem being stuff put in here. Did stratics get sold and if so why is it once sold or traded did the problems all of a sudden start?
The new advertisement obession Stratics has splattered all over it's site might use that part of IE that is tripping the Norton alerts.

If so, it's certainly added to the annoyance of the advertisements for those of us who use Norton.
 

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I honestly can't figure out why you and the rest of the censors at Stratics haven't banned me yet. get on with it. I have like 60 infraction points and I've been banned like 6 times in the past.
Certainly, send me a pm with the previous 6 user names and I'll ban you for ban evasion.

If you're determined to pick a fight with me, do it when I'm awake. This tirade started at 2am my time.
 

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It is just really coincidental that stratics was sold or transferred to this new team and all of a sudden there are problems major security problems
This one isn't a 'security problem' as such though, Norton is known to sometimes flag sites incorrectly (they even have a page telling you what to do when they get it wrong, it isn't an uncommon event...) and everything else tried results in no problems being found with Stratics. The Norton alert warns that if you have an old, unpatched web browser there may be something linked from Stratics that can compromise your system. From everything I can find, trace or test, it's an invalid warning.


Norton is flagging your site as infected. therefore your trash talk of Norton really holds no weight.
Norton has also flagged several hundreds, if not thousands, of websites in the past as being potentially dangerous. It gets things wrong sometimes. In this case, it seems to have got it wrong. It's not a case of 'trash talking' Norton - it has a long record of doing this sort of thing, which is one of several reasons why it has a fairly poor reputation with a lot of IT folks. Some things, it does fairly well - some things, it does very badly.

Still, since you seem hell bent on not listening to anyone, swearing at people and chucking around all sorts of insults, I doubt anything I've written will get through to you at all....
 
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Ah, so that's your goal. I suspected you weren't aiming to be helpful.

Your concerns have been answered above: notably, the security concern referred to in the OP has been patched. That's the answer. If you don't like it, feel free to invent your own answer to suit your tastes.
You see thats just it, I downloaded IE8 and applied the patch, it is still doin it!
 

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You see thats just it, I downloaded IE8 and applied the patch, it is still doin it!
By 'doing it' I guess you mean you are still getting the Norton warnings?

I suspect Norton is still warning you, because Norton is not particularly clever and doesn't check which browser you are using, or how up to date the patches for it are. It just looks for what it considers might cause a problem and reports it as a threat, regardless of whether or not it can affect your browser.
 

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You see thats just it, I downloaded IE8 and applied the patch, it is still doin it!
I'm using Norton Internet Security 2010. I don't get this message/warning. I've tried using Chrome, Firefox, and IE. Can't manage to make the warning appear.

What version of Norton are you using?
 

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Just had a thought - although all the Microsoft links we've referenced to date are browser updates, is it possible that Norton is tripping up and issuing alarms because of the Microsoft Data Access Components, which was what were being manipulated through the gap in the browser security?

Syrus, can you tell which version of those components you have installed? Supposedly 2.5, 2.6 and 2.7 were vulnerable to this, but 2.8 and onwards are not - so if you have 2.8, I'm wondering if that's being spotted by your Norton and it's therefore happy you are secure from the 'threat'?

(http://support.microsoft.com/kb/301202 might help if you are not sure).
 

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Just had a thought - although all the Microsoft links we've referenced to date are browser updates, is it possible that Norton is tripping up and issuing alarms because of the Microsoft Data Access Components, which was what were being manipulated through the gap in the browser security?

Syrus, can you tell which version of those components you have installed? Supposedly 2.5, 2.6 and 2.7 were vulnerable to this, but 2.8 and onwards are not - so if you have 2.8, I'm wondering if that's being spotted by your Norton and it's therefore happy you are secure from the 'threat'?

(http://support.microsoft.com/kb/301202 might help if you are not sure).
I'll check when I get home. At the moment, I am using Mac, Safari, and whatever antivirus comes standard on Leopard. Still no warnings.

I'm not trying to discredit anyone (except maybe ingsmsico). I'm just explaining my experience. During the hacking event, I clicked through the warnings continually, navigated all over the site. I've continued to use the site, despite the warnings mentioned in this thread. As a result, I've encountered no virus and I have received no spam. Also, none of my email accounts or gaming accounts have been hacked.
 

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I'm using Norton Internet Security 2010. I don't get this message/warning. I've tried using Chrome, Firefox, and IE. Can't manage to make the warning appear.

What version of Norton are you using?
I'm using Norton Internet Security 2010 along with the Utilities and get it. I've tightened some of the settings which may be why my copy of it is sounding off when I come to Stratics. I traded some ease of use for added defense.
 
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No you silly person ... it is about Norton being hours, even days behind in updating the heuristics and other libraries their lousy product uses!

Why can't you and other folks who use the product get it through your heads that it - and it alone - is the only product available that is bloody wrong!

And that fact was stated in another thread. Jeez.
 
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We have 700+ systems at the site with >12K throughout the company. Not including about another 7-800 laptops that travel. Not one Norton installation ... because it sucketh!
 

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No you silly person ... it is about Norton being hours, even days behind in updating the heuristics and other libraries their lousy product uses!

Why can't you and other folks who use the product get it through your heads that it - and it alone - is the only product available that is bloody wrong!

And that fact was stated in another thread. Jeez.
I'd rather they take a little time and get the update right than just throw out an update to show their quick at it, or maybe assume the report is not necessary because their have been fixes published for it.

It may well be the only product that is getting it bloody right. ;)
 

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We have 700+ systems at the site with >12K throughout the company. Not including about another 7-800 laptops that travel. Not one Norton installation ... because it sucketh!
I can imagine getting the calls from 12.000 computer users over Norton Alerts would make you have that opinion of it. You would be driven nuts by it. :)

I'm a home user who only has to deal with the excessive alerts from two computers and I have learned which ones can be very safely ignored. I've primarily used Norton for 14 years with an occasional straying to another product. I've always come back to Norton. While overly thorough, it's worth putting up with.
 

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Yeah, I've heard that. The reason that I chose Norton Internet Security 2010 is because it received top-tier reviews.

5 Stars on CNet
4.5 Stars on PCMag
Ranked #4 on PC Antivirus Reviews
Ranked #4 on Top Ten Reviews
Ranked #4 by an About.com Guide
Of those, CNET is the only one not trying to directly sell the product and make money off the rankings. Still, after years of use, I am glad to finally be rid of Norton.
Would you please recommend some reputable review sites?
 

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CNET seem confused. They give it 5 stars at the review you link to, which states "Reviewed by: CNET Staff on November 08, 2008" - but in the panel alongside for 'Quick Specs' it says "Date added: September 09, 2009 ".

CNET also give Norton Internet Security 2010 a 4 star review here :

http://reviews.cnet.com/internet-se...ernet-security-2010/1805-3667_7-33770774.html

Dated 09/24/2009

Whilst the user rating is averaged at 3 ....
The 4-star review summary says:

"Dramatic improvements to its Norton suite during the past two years indicate that Symantec has been listening to the needs and complaints of its customers. The company's strong and surprising changes to Norton's impact on system performance that it introduced last year are maintained in this new version, and a new behavioral detection engine called Quorum shows that Symantec can juggle performance and protection."

Also, the user complaints don't concern the security, but the footprint and false positives (i.e., more secure than necessary). Still not seeing the problem.
 

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Patched up Windows with IE 8 shouldn't be vulnerable to something which affects much older versions of IE. If it did affect your software, I would have expected the following list to include IE8. Taken from the Symantic page here:-

"Affected
  • Microsoft Internet Explorer 5.5, 5.5 SP1, 5.5 SP2, 6.0, 6.0 SP1"
See above, if it doesn't affect the software on your system, I expect the patch isn't intended for use on your system either.

Unless by some chance you still have IE6 or earlier on that system (should be feasible to remove it if you do) then I believe you're safe.

I suspect this warning relates to the previous infection we had as our staff have been doing a lot of work to fix and secure the site. See here - if you still have concerns send George Vanous or Petra a PM.

Wenchy
I looked to see if IE6 was still here.. Java does the same thing when it updates... but there is no sign of it anywhere.

When I run chrome it does not give me those warnings... I wonder... Is chrome just not picking it up because the other 2 browsers do...I did notice that Norton does not really interact with Chrome at all.
 

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In very simple words:

The 'hole' Norton is identifying was patched in 2004

It will not affect any pc having windows and browser newer than that.

You can't download the patch for internet explorer 8 because the hole doesn't exist in that version of internet explorer.
they fixed it in 2004
and apart from that, we fixed the site too. Norton is behind the times on that as well, but only by a few days, not 6 years.
Well then Petra.. your site still has a problem. My machine is less than a year old. I use IE8 and Windows Vista Home Edition. I also use a paid updated version of Norton. And yes I do patch them all the time. I have never had a problem.. but once before and after the Microsoft patch there was not problem. All of a sudden.. out of the blue.. after no patches from Mocrosoft or Norton (there were no patches between a few days ago and when I started getting the warnings) I get these warnings on both Norton and McAfee and with IE8 and Firefox. The only time I DON'T get the warning is in Chrome which leads me to believe that Chrome is possibly not catching stuff.

I'm sorry to say that you may still have a problem. I have emailed and called Norton and emailed McAfee to check this out. I hope to get an email back soon from them with an answer.

So your "NEWER" (2004) quote is HIGHLY mistaken and simply wrong because ALL of my stuff is up to date and NEWER than 2004. So there is NO NEED to yell at me. I find it disrespectful and unwarented. I have been a member of Stratics for a very long time and have never had problems with being yelled at before. It's not necessary. I am a 50 year old woman. Not a child. I am sure you are not a child either. So please. Let's all act like adults and try to fix this problem. It is not only my problem but it seems that others still have it too.

I will post back and let you know what Norton and McAfee says.

And if the others would please stop bickering and stay on topic to fix the problem that myself and others are STILL haveing.. that would be much appreciated.
 

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When was the last time you updated Norton or McAffee?
I run an update every day. I ALWAYS update even between the automatics. There were no updates between the time I started to get the warnings.

I do not believe that Stratics is a real threat. It MUST be in some of the scripting that they have or in the adds somewhere. Could be in the cookies the way they are written or something.. or it could just be Norton or McAfee... who knows. But I (and I'm sure others) would like to get to the bottom of this.
 

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To repeat this:

Stratics is simply making use of a part of Windows IE, made by Microsoft.

That part of Windows IE was found to be flawed & vulnerable.

Norton reports that vulnerability to it's users like a good Security Program should. Better warned than unwarned.

That part of Windows IE has been fixed in IE versions after IE6.

Stratics was never the problem, Microsoft IE was.

Simple enough?


Sheesh... :)
Something Stratics has added recently, likely something involving the advertisement obsession, is using a part of Microsoft Windows Internet Explorer that had or perhaps has been found to still have, a vulnerability. Norton is picking up on the use of that part of Microsoft Windows Internet Explorer and reporting a possible risk due to that part of Microsoft Windows Internet Explorer being used.

One of the recent updates from Norton may have included code that added that Microsoft Windows Internet Explorer fault back to the danger list. The fix Microsoft made for the IE6 fault may not have worked very well.

Stratics is not the source of the problem.

I repeat... Sheesh! <g>
 
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