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Yeah, I've heard that. The reason that I chose Norton Internet Security 2010 is because it received top-tier reviews.

5 Stars on CNet
4.5 Stars on PCMag
Ranked #4 on PC Antivirus Reviews
Ranked #4 on Top Ten Reviews
Ranked #4 by an About.com Guide
Of those, CNET is the only one not trying to directly sell the product and make money off the rankings. Still, after years of use, I am glad to finally be rid of Norton.
Would you please recommend some reputable review sites?
I'm sure you already know this but there are problems with every review site. I use the CNET/Download.com all the time, and frequently use the other four you linked. CNET has a problem with dummy reviews posted by the program developers in the user reviews, and at least one of the other sites takes money from the advertiser to improve the rankings. Just saying, buyer beware and you have to question the reviewer's motive behind the rankings.
 

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I looked to see if IE6 was still here.. Java does the same thing when it updates... but there is no sign of it anywhere.

When I run chrome it does not give me those warnings... I wonder... Is chrome just not picking it up because the other 2 browsers do...I did notice that Norton does not really interact with Chrome at all.
If you don't have any of the infected browsers on your system then the vulnerability shouldn't be there for you to get infected. If you're concerned, while you're waiting yo hear back from Symantec and McAfee, I'd suggest using Chrome to visit Stratics because it won't have that vulnerability.

Norton is possibly not detecting your IE version correctly and thinks you're at risk, I honestly don't know how Norton does things, or whether it's checked Stratics since we did have an infection and updated the risk warnings accordingly. But I'd imagine Symantec will ask for info about your setup to correct anything and they'll be in a better position to help tbh.

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Somehow a test site named Pwn2Own just doesn't instill a sense of confidence in me. :)
It's a hackers' site... who better to test AV program vulnerabilities? Umm... unless they WANT the vulnerabilities in there.... dang, who CAN you trust?
 

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Somehow a test site named Pwn2Own just doesn't instill a sense of confidence in me. :)
It's not a website, it's a well-respected international competition. The purpose is to identify security vulnerabilities. Security professionals and hackers, alike, attend the competition and attempt to find exploitable vulnerabilities. If they are able to pop it, they get to keep it.
 

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Something Stratics has added recently, likely something involving the advertisement obsession .....

Probably nothing to do with advertising - if you follow the links that are in the original post by Bigjon, the flagged 'problems' are entries in the item database.

I strongly suspect that Norton is picking up something in there - possibly some javascript used in the query of the database, but I may be wrong on that - relating to data access. Then it's maybe either checking the browser version you are using or the data object handlers you have (although I'm not sure Norton does so sophisticated a check, it might just be going "that sort of code was once a problem so I'm flagging it whenever I see it"), and deciding that the process used in getting data from the database is one that your PC is potentially open to abuse through.
 

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Somehow a test site named Pwn2Own just doesn't instill a sense of confidence in me. :)
It's not a website, it's a well-respected international competition. The purpose is to identify security vulnerabilities. Security professionals and hackers, alike, attend the competition and attempt to find exploitable vulnerabilities. If they are able to pop it, they get to keep it.
That certainly makes it sound more promising. My initial reaction was a mental ' Yeah, right, they pwn my computer thanks to a vulnerability they don't mention 2Own my computer and add it to some botnet'.

I'll do a internet search on it and find out who it's well respected by. That name just doesn't work as credible for me.

Might just be my age. :)
 
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I would take any "review" with a large pinch of salt, if the review has affiliate links to the software being reviewed, which is why I tend to stick to this site

http://www.av-comparatives.org/

From the site

On this site you will find independent comparatives of Anti-Virus software. All products listed in our comparatives are already a selection of some very good anti-virus products. In order to get included in our main tests, vendors must fulfill various conditions and minimum requirements.
 

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I would take any "review" with a large pinch of salt, if the review has affiliate links to the software being reviewed, which is why I tend to stick to this site

http://www.av-comparatives.org/

From the site
Ok. The impartial website you recommended says the following about Norton:

"Due to the big improvements achieved by Symantic, and the various good scores it reached in most of our tests during 2009, Symantec was awarded Best Product of the Year 2009."

It ranked Nortan #1 in 2009, above even Kapersky. The site didn't provide rankings this year, but it listed Symantic in the highest teir in February 2010. Still not understanding the problem.
 

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Still not understanding the problem.
Never forget, a review is usually done quickly, at a set point in time, and even the more thorough ones on internet protection simply can't do a very good job if their review is to come out quickly after release of the product. The real test of a security suite, like the Norton one, comes when it's deployed across a few systems for a fair length of time, including allowing a few of the updates that should be coming out very regularly to get in place, and it gets exposed to the real world.

When I ran a 400+ networked PC site with both an intranet and internet direct to every PC, we ended up dumping Norton/Symantec for a whole string of problems - false positives, blocking of websites because of improper detection of code, failures to update properly, clashing with other programs running on the PC, and huge problems if you ever needed to uninstall the product (even the Symantec tools for that job didn't work properly, and the only solution their helpdesk settled on was reinstalling the OS and starting again...).

Generally, I've been told, the product is better than it was in the past, but I still hear many people complaining of problems with it. No security suite is perfect, you will always find people damning or overpraising their pet hates and favourites, but for me, and a lot of other people, Norton isn't a sound product, especially on it's own.

What we're seeing in this thread, and the others like it, really looks like yet another case of incorrect detection of a 'threat' - Norton has a past history of that, and given that no other programs seem to be finding any problems, and the 'threat' detected is a very old one that is protected against by pretty old patches and updates, I'm convinced there is not a current problem at all.

I hope the Stratics owners have chased up the verification system with Norton, so they get the site checked and (hopefully) cleared off the Norton 'problems' list, it would be good to hear if they are pursuing that line. Meanwhile though, everything I'm finding suggests there is NO problem with Stratics at the moment.
 

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Ok. The impartial website you recommended says the following about Norton:

"Due to the big improvements achieved by Symantic, and the various good scores it reached in most of our tests during 2009, Symantec was awarded Best Product of the Year 2009."

It ranked Nortan #1 in 2009, above even Kapersky. The site didn't provide rankings this year, but it listed Symantic in the highest teir in February 2010. Still not understanding the problem.
late lastnight I ran a sunvm with xp pro sp1, ie 6 and no protection at all. only network and activesync in systray, completely unprotected. I logged into this site, clicked on every single link the OP gave us. I got a message saying that 'talisman' is undefined on some of the pages. I then turned the vm box off and then scanned the swap file that acts like the virtual hd of the vm. Nothing was found, no malware, no trojans, no nothing. norton is freaking out cause it's seeing something 'undefined' while using ie6. norton doesn't say there is xyzuploaderubertrojan.exe on your system, it says there is a vulnerability solely while using ie6 and that you are open to attack/s, from these types of vulnerabilities specifically. Just because norton got good review (finally?) does not mean they are infallible, they are just covering they're collective butt's by spamming this to make sure ie 6 users update.

I updated to ie7 on xp vm and after restarting the message was gone about undefined objects. I updated to ie8 and after restarting there was no message as well. I also dl'd firefox and opera, repeated everything above and nothing was found. Still not understanding the problem.
 
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late lastnight I ran a sunvm with xp pro sp1, ie 6 and no protection at all. only network and activesync in systray, completely unprotected. I logged into this site, clicked on every single link the OP gave us. I got a message saying that 'talisman' is undefined on some of the pages. I then turned the vm box off and then scanned the swap file that acts like the virtual hd of the vm. Nothing was found, no malware, no trojans, no nothing. norton is freaking out cause it's seeing something 'undefined' while using ie6. norton doesn't say there is xyzuploaderubertrojan.exe on your system, it says there is a vulnerability solely while using ie6 and that you are open to attack/s, from these types of vulnerabilities specifically. Just because norton got good review (finally?) does not mean they are infallible, they are just covering they're collective butt's by spamming this to make sure ie 6 users update.

I updated to ie7 on xp vm and after restarting the message was gone about undefined objects. I updated to ie8 and after restarting there was no message as well. I also dl'd firefox and opera, repeated everything above and nothing was found. Still not understanding the problem.
Me neither sorry was out of town for couple days. I am not a computer guru all I know was learned from owning and reading. My concern altho somewhat removed from the responses, is I have not changed much till recently. After the changes suggested I tried IE8 and the supposed 4 year old patch and still have same problem. I have been on this sight for 8 years. Never had a problem persay and they are tellin me it was patched in 04, and certain versions of IE are affected ok I changed those. Still it persists. Others say use this use that. My point is what I had been usin this hole time was fine. Till the hackin came about and I am bein fed that it is my fault. Blah Blah Blah maybe my skirt is to Short and I deserved it !
 

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The vulnerability is for IE6. You're using IE8. You're safe. Relax.
 

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Me neither sorry was out of town for couple days. I am not a computer guru all I know was learned from owning and reading. My concern altho somewhat removed from the responses, is I have not changed much till recently. After the changes suggested I tried IE8 and the supposed 4 year old patch and still have same problem. I have been on this sight for 8 years. Never had a problem persay and they are tellin me it was patched in 04, and certain versions of IE are affected ok I changed those. Still it persists. Others say use this use that. My point is what I had been usin this hole time was fine. Till the hackin came about and I am bein fed that it is my fault. Blah Blah Blah maybe my skirt is to Short and I deserved it !
hmm ic. well I can't reproduce it myself with ie8 on a clean blank windows install, which leads me to believe your system may have been compromised with much older malware prior to the update or ... Norton is just flagging everything out of the ordinary no matter what. What's really telling it you still experience it after installing and using ie8 AND using other browsers. If there truly was an issue, way way way way more people would be experiencing it as well. Are all your windows updates current ? You should run a full scan properly, if you have any questions don't hesitate ask/pm for help.
 

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After the changes suggested I tried IE8 and the supposed 4 year old patch and still have same problem.
The 'problem' you have is Norton telling you there is a 'problem'. If you are using IE8, or have a different patched and up to date browser - there really isn't any threat at all to your system.
 

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Certainly, send me a pm with the previous 6 user names and I'll ban you for ban evasion.
My previous user names are Petra Fyde and Kelmo. Please reban these accounts :lol:

FYI as soon as I saw this thread I knew it would be ridicules. My suggestion to stratics is to start a Forum/Website Report section.

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Stop having people post this junk on the forums that causes more problems for the community. If there is a true problem then those who can fix don't have to go through tons of threads, troll posts and people who have nothing to offer to find the issue.

I didn't know UHALL was the unofficial IT department. :popcorn:
 
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hmm ic. well I can't reproduce it myself with ie8 on a clean blank windows install, which leads me to believe your system may have been compromised with much older malware prior to the update or ... Norton is just flagging everything out of the ordinary no matter what. What's really telling it you still experience it after installing and using ie8 AND using other browsers. If there truly was an issue, way way way way more people would be experiencing it as well. Are all your windows updates current ? You should run a full scan properly, if you have any questions don't hesitate ask/pm for help.
It happens on my wife's computer she is runnin XP also, as well as my son's who is runnin vista. He never uses stratics. They are up to date, I also run spybot have done scans and nuthin.
 

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Stop having people post this junk on the forums that causes more problems for the community. If there is a true problem then those who can fix don't have to go through tons of threads, troll posts and people who have nothing to offer to find the issue.

I didn't know UHALL was the unofficial IT department. :popcorn:
A warning from a major Internet Security System suddenly occuring from a website is hardly a junk topic. Tons of threads? Troll posts? Like the one of yours I am replying to? <g> Why don't you limit your replies to when you have something useful to contribute.

This Anti-v warning from Nortom is something new. I wasn't getting it up to early May and when I returned in mid June I was getting it. Something has changed in that time period to trigger the alerts. Changed where is the question. I am not getting new alerts from anywhere else I bowse.
 

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hmm ic. well I can't reproduce it myself with ie8 on a clean blank windows install, which leads me to believe your system may have been compromised with much older malware prior to the update or ... Norton is just flagging everything out of the ordinary no matter what. What's really telling it you still experience it after installing and using ie8 AND using other browsers. If there truly was an issue, way way way way more people would be experiencing it as well. Are all your windows updates current ? You should run a full scan properly, if you have any questions don't hesitate ask/pm for help.
It happens on my wife's computer she is runnin XP also, as well as my son's who is runnin vista. He never uses stratics. They are up to date, I also run spybot have done scans and nuthin.
I've got a laid back weekend planned. I'll do a full re-install of Windows XP & Norton after fdisking the Hard drive and see if the alert still occurs. That should remove any electronic social diseases this computer may have picked up. Maybe one of Stratics advertisers has used code that is to close to that IE6 problem situation for Norton's liking. <shrug>
 

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Somehow a test site named Pwn2Own just doesn't instill a sense of confidence in me. :)
If you had actually read anything and knew the architecture, then you'd know that Chrome is the most secure browser. Its faster too, it just lacks the add-ons that firefox has.
 

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I don't think Norton is looking for problems on your pc at the moment. It's comparing where you're browsing with its own listing:
http://safeweb.norton.com/report/show?url=uo.stratics.com&x=11&y=4

It will keep throwing up the alerts until George contacts them. Unfortunately only the site owner can do it, and as you may have read on the front page, they're at E3.

The iframes that were injected on the boards did appear in that database that's listed, for about half an hour on 10th June. They exploited a weakness in ie6, which is what Norton warned about, and will continue to warn about, despite the fact that the ifames are long gone, until George asks them to re-asses.
 

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I've got a laid back weekend planned. I'll do a full re-install of Windows XP & Norton after fdisking the Hard drive and see if the alert still occurs. That should remove any electronic social diseases this computer may have picked up. Maybe one of Stratics advertisers has used code that is to close to that IE6 problem situation for Norton's liking. <shrug>
A base install of XP comes with IE6 I believe, so the chances are that might be why Norton thinks you still have IE6, there could be enough traces in your system to confuse it. I'd say rather than go for a full install, hit your system with some good AV/anti malware programs and see if you can uninstall IE6 completely.

I really don't think you have anything nasty enough on your system to warrant a full re-install and patch up, but if you're that concerned, speak to Symantec customer support and ask them for advice. But if you haven't been told you're infected with anything, it seems a wee bit drastic to re-format a drive.

Wenchy
 

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If you had actually read anything and knew the architecture, then you'd know that Chrome is the most secure browser. Its faster too, it just lacks the add-ons that firefox has.
Sadly :( But it has the ad blocker and a very nifty bookmark sync across computers. I swapped it to on all my machines a few weeks ago. Firefox was just getting too slow. :(
 

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I've got a laid back weekend planned. I'll do a full re-install of Windows XP & Norton after fdisking the Hard drive and see if the alert still occurs. That should remove any electronic social diseases this computer may have picked up. Maybe one of Stratics advertisers has used code that is to close to that IE6 problem situation for Norton's liking. <shrug>
A base install of XP comes with IE6 I believe, so the chances are that might be why Norton thinks you still have IE6, there could be enough traces in your system to confuse it. I'd say rather than go for a full install, hit your system with some good AV/anti malware programs and see if you can uninstall IE6 completely.

I really don't think you have anything nasty enough on your system to warrant a full re-install and patch up, but if you're that concerned, speak to Symantec customer support and ask them for advice. But if you haven't been told you're infected with anything, it seems a wee bit drastic to re-format a drive.

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I'm not that concerned about it. :) I just figure it will eliminate the malware possibility. All a re-install really means is stopping by the computer off & on tomorrow to change settings & CDs. I'll put in IE8 from the Microsoft website. When I return to the forum it will eliminate Malware as a possible cause.

I'm just going to consider it a spring cleaning of my computer.

I selected the [More] in the Smiley list to the right of the reply window and got the warning again. Another 'hmmmm' added ;)
 

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It happens on my wife's computer she is runnin XP also, as well as my son's who is runnin vista. He never uses stratics. They are up to date, I also run spybot have done scans and nuthin.
Whoever happens to use norton will get this message. after updating spybot, hit the green+ immunize button again. what sites does your son get the popup norton alert from if he doesn't visit stratics ?
 
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Whoever happens to use norton will get this message. after updating spybot, hit the green+ immunize button again. what sites does your son get the popup norton alert from if he doesn't visit stratics ?
He hasn't noticed it on any of the sites he goes to. That being said even tho this is only affecting a few people. I felt it was still something worth bringing up. It seems some people like myself resist change to the point of ignorance LOL.......... I just D/L google chrome. All I can say is good by IE anything. Sure its not as flashy but it loads a post like this one with over 100 replies almost instantly. Something IE hasn't done for me in years. Thanks to all the constructive replies! You know the old sayin " You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink " Next time I hope someone plunges my head in..............
 

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I just D/L google chrome. All I can say is good by IE anything. Sure its not as flashy but it loads a post like this one with over 100 replies almost instantly. Something IE hasn't done for me in years.
High five! :thumbup1:
 
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