Third Party Cheat Detection - Two Strikes

[SuperKen]

You guys must be kidding yourselves.

Think that the loss of all the cheaters will mean an open and level playing field where YOU can compete? Ridiculous.

I've been playing for years ~against~ speedhackers and holding my own. If a person wants to PvP, to really PvP without complaints, that person would be doing it already.

Lynk has it most right, speedhacks are frustrating, but it doesn't mean you can't still get out there and win. Scripting, however, is not the game changer in PvP some of you are making it out to be. Again, if you were PvPing despite the presence of cheaters, you'd KNOW that scripting is hardly as dangerous as speedhacks.

One of you noted that cheaters are most likely not checking these boards so they wouldn't have any input. Well, it works the other way too: because they're not checking these boards, they're not here to correct some of you guys on PvP issues.

 

[Der Rock]

As for the macroing of skills question (...) it does effect everyone just as every other form of scripting effects everyone.

in what ways?

If i would be a Dev, i realy would change some things in UO :

- skilling should be allowed unattend for Enhanced client user(EC endless skilling macro)
(this realy affect nobody, and makes UO more alive ), i realy can understand why player with 1 computer hate skilling, i dont think i would have 3x7 character if i only had 1 computer.
OR give "skilling by doing"(during normal gameplaying) an extremly boost,player should get 5x the gain if they skill by playing.

-looting corpses , in EC, looting is NOT as fast as it should be !
all these bloodtiles count as items,and stops my loot macro
make this faster !

 

[the 4th man]

i feel bad for people that need all those extra specialized gaming keyboards and such to play, i have a regular laser mouse and a regular keyboard, good to go

Amen to that brother.....if you need all that extra whatever, you really need toget out and get a life. Man, I wouldn't want to know a gimp like that in real life.

 

[Morgana LeFay (PoV)]

Amen to that brother.....if you need all that extra whatever, you really need toget out and get a life. Man, I wouldn't want to know a gimp like that in real life.

If you play hardcore FPS games, and especially simulator games, you need more than a standard mouse and standard keyboard.

Nothing gimp about being able to afford the right tools for the job. You wouldn't try to pry the wheel off of your car with a screwdriver if you had a flat tire would you?

 

[Invalid]

if you need all that extra whatever, you really need toget out and get a life.

That's so full of ROFL coming from a guy on a gaming forum because they have a different keyboard/mouse.

I use a G15 because I like having a nice tight group of keys on the far side for my left hand simply because its more comfortable for me instead of reaching across the keyboard . Before I got this keyboard years ago, I used a USB numpad.

I so need a life

 

[FIRE[TDR]]

1. People will finally be on a level playing ground pvp wise for the first time in years, I cannot wait for this because I've gotten killed by so many people that i know speedhack and that i know run programs to aid them with chugging potions, using a trapped box, apples, etc. I haven't been a dominant force in pvp in a long time and i think I'll be doing a lot better once this kicks in.

Is this some kind of joke?

All of this can be accomplished legally through legitimate hardware such as mice, N52s, macro keyboards, Killer NICs, etc.

Chaos you would know this is not a joke if you were a pvper.

 

[RawHeadRex]

wait a minute here ...

did lord chaetos say killernic is a viable way of actually increasing ping ?

i will refrain from saying what i truly want to say about your 'knowledge' chaetos.

everyone worth their computer salt knows that card does absolutely nothing.

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

Is this some kind of joke?

All of this can be accomplished legally through legitimate hardware such as mice, N52s, macro keyboards, Killer NICs, etc.

If anyone seriously believes this, they are seriously, seriously misinformed.

-Galen's player

 

[Llewen]

wait a minute here ...

did lord chaetos say killernic is a viable way of actually increasing ping ?

i will refrain from saying what i truly want to say about your 'knowledge' chaetos.

everyone worth their computer salt knows that card does absolutely nothing.

Apparently it can make a difference when there is a lot of traffic on your connection, such as in an MMO when there are a lot of toons in close proximity, about the same difference as any decent router with decent QoS. As I said, LC will post anything to obscure and confuse the issues when it comes to cheating, no matter how ridiculous it may be...

Is this some kind of joke?

All of this can be accomplished legally through legitimate hardware such as mice, N52s, macro keyboards, Killer NICs, etc.

If anyone seriously believes this, they are seriously, seriously misinformed.

-Galen's player

He isn't misinformed, he's deliberately spreading misinformation. And my guess is he's also doing his level best to get threads with an anti-cheating bias locked.

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

It would take abject stupidity for them to ban on the 1st strike.

Anything's possible but I'd like to think they are aware of how many players use this program, though I still think the number is exaggerated, and won't outright ban on the basis of its use being detected a single time.

-Galen's player

 

[Lord Chaos]

wait a minute here ...

did lord chaetos say killernic is a viable way of actually increasing ping ?

No, but nice try. Now do all of us real players a favor and delete your account and go play WoW or something.

 

[Llewen]

If the devs announce that third-party program detection is going live on the log-in screen...why do you need any further warnings?

That is an excellent point, I only posted this thread because Cal has said elsewhere that the third party cheat detection will go live without any warning. Perhaps I misunderstood what he meant by that. I would have thought it would have at the very least required the acceptance of a revised TOS.

 

[Lord Chaos]

Apparently it can make a difference when there is a lot of traffic on your connection, such as in an MMO when there are a lot of toons in close proximity, about the same difference as any decent router with decent QoS. As I said, LC will post anything to obscure and confuse the issues when it comes to cheating, no matter how ridiculous it may be...

He isn't misinformed, he's deliberately spreading misinformation. And my guess is he's also doing his level best to get threads with an anti-cheating bias locked.

There's no misinformation here, its all correct. Nor do I confuse the issue, you're just too busy with your rabid myopic crusade to see anything.

You are the scourge and bane of UO, the true threat to this game. Your justifications are more lame than even the most hardcore of cheater. You are not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

 

[XLaCeDX]

There is already a banning system in place that gives you warnings, suspensions/days off and they will tell you: don't do this again, next time you may be terminated.

They don't ban people for one mistake (other than using the N word and the R word used to be insta-bans), they ban repeat offenders.

But they might think of wiping all currently existing accounts of old marks BEFORE they implement the new cheater catchers.

 

[Guido_LS]

If you play hardcore FPS games, and especially simulator games, you need more than a standard mouse and standard keyboard.

Nothing gimp about being able to afford the right tools for the job. You wouldn't try to pry the wheel off of your car with a screwdriver if you had a flat tire would you?

Also nothing gimp about using tools that allow people with carpal tunnel and arthritis to play.

Oh, and to the OP on this - my friend that lost his arm in Iraq, and plays with a hook instead of what should be his left hand? He says you're welcome. And the day that Mythic removes his ability to use the N52, EA loses a customer, on all fronts, and not just UO. That would make for an interesting public relations issue....

 

[Lord Chaos]

Ok, so if a person is handicapped and requires a scripting program to play properly, it should be allowed to save a costumer?

 

[RawHeadRex]

No, but nice try. Now do all of us real players a favor and delete your account and go play WoW or something.

omg please tell me you paid 2oo bucks for a killernic and now feel the need to validate it doing nothing lol.
do you think it lowers your ping ?

 

[Guido_LS]

Ok, so if a person is handicapped and requires a scripting program to play properly, it should be allowed to save a costumer?

An N52 isn't a scripting program, but nice try.

 

[RawHeadRex]

"we won't tell when it's implemented and there will be no warnings " was said if memory serves correctly.

 

[Lord Chaos]

omg please tell me you paid 2oo bucks for a killernic and now feel the need to validate it doing nothing lol.
do you think it lowers your ping ?

I don't have one and I didn't say anything about lowering pings. Nice reading comprehension. Its also just one of many things.

 

[HD2300]

It is common knowledge that whenever there is a patch the "scripting program" cannot be used until it is repatched with the new encryption key, which usually takes a couple of days.

So if Mythic ever wanted to stop most scripting, all they ever had to do is release a mini-patch every 2nd day.

 

[Lord Chaos]

An N52 isn't a scripting program, but nice try.

The program actually interfacing with the OS is in a sense.

But either way, you said any tool. There was no qualifier that it had to be hardware only.

Though I find it hellish amusing that its ok to gain an advantage over another user, as long as the method of doing so is something you like.

 

[Guido_LS]

The program actually interfacing with the OS is in a sense.

But either way, you said any tool. There was no qualifier that it had to be hardware only.

Though I find it hellish amusing that its ok to gain an advantage over another user, as long as the method of doing so is something you like.

The discussion was about hardware - that you chose to expand it beyond that is your problem. Then again, you think the EC is a cheat program too... anything to justify your own, and your friends, behaviour.

 

[Lord Chaos]

The discussion was about hardware - that you chose to expand it beyond that is your problem. Then again, you think the EC is a cheat program too... anything to justify your own, and your friends, behaviour.

All of this works through software, its software doing all the work beyond receiving a buttonpush.

I never said the EC was a cheat program, I said it legitimized functionality that was normally considered cheating.

I don't need to justify my behavior, I play legitly and with the powerful tools + we are several people on the same accounts, then I do not need cheat programs.

As for my friends, those that do cheat are still far better human beings than most posters here and far more valuable to me in UO than those rabid posters who only seek to destroy the game i love for their own benefit.

 

[Llewen]

Ok, so if a person is handicapped and requires a scripting program to play properly, it should be allowed to save a costumer?

Complete and utter poppycock, like most of the nonsense you post is when it comes to this issue. No "handicapped" person requires a "scripting program" such as "The-Program-Which-Shall-Not-Be-Named" to "play properly". There are all kinds of interface options available for people with all kinds of handicaps, from the visually impaired, to those with either no hands, or no ability to use them.

I'm sure at least some of them come with some kind of scripting functionality, all of which are perfectly legal, and none of which come even close to the functionality available with "The-Program-Which-Shall-Not-Be-Named". Another painfully transparent smoke screen, and another attempt to confuse and obscure the real issues.

 

[Llewen]

Also nothing gimp about using tools that allow people with carpal tunnel and arthritis to play.

Oh, and to the OP on this - my friend that lost his arm in Iraq, and plays with a hook instead of what should be his left hand? He says you're welcome. And the day that Mythic removes his ability to use the N52, EA loses a customer, on all fronts, and not just UO. That would make for an interesting public relations issue....

Lord Chaos is the one that has apparently successfully managed to confuse the issue here. At no time has any dev, or anyone in an official position, implied in any way that programmable input devices are a cheat. There is some functionality that comes with some of them that you might want to be careful of, but for the most part they are perfectly legit. The upcoming third party cheat detection has nothing to do with those devices, or their supporting software.

Lord Chaos doesn't want the third party cheat detection implemented so he is deliberately fear mongering and spreading information. No dev has ever suggested that these devices or their supporting software is illegal, and in fact when asked the have explicitly stated that they are legal, and they use them as well.

Please don't listen to Lord Chaos when it comes to anything with regard to this topic. He is trolling. He is deliberately attempting to obscure and confuse the issue, and he is spreading misinformation.

 

[gjohnson5]

i feel bad for people that need all those extra specialized gaming keyboards and such to play, i have a regular laser mouse and a regular keyboard, good to go

I agree. It's pretty sad infact... And I mean the people with no "disabilities" This thread isn't about disabilities and people need to stop strawman-ing the thread

 

[Goodmann]

BAN them all then UO can close down I can play a free server and save 14.99 x10.................

 

[Morgana LeFay (PoV)]

I don't think there are very many scripters out there that are unaware of the fact that what they are doing is cheating.

You can also bet that speeders and hackers are aware of what they are doing as well.

Without all the insanely stupid comparisons to faster NICs and better mice that have soiled this thread, the bottom line should be...


...if you are hacking, speeding or scripting...you should be banned...permanently.

 

[Morgana LeFay (PoV)]

BAN them all then UO can close down I can play a free server and save 14.99 x10.................

You can do that without anyone being banned.

 

[ingsmsico]

omg please tell me you paid 2oo bucks for a killernic and now feel the need to validate it doing nothing lol.
do you think it lowers your ping ?

I bet a high quality piece of hardware does make a difference, but nothing detectable by using ping command

prove me wrong and i'll buy one

 

[ingsmsico]

I don't think there are very many scripters out there that are unaware of the fact that what they are doing is cheating.

You can also bet that speeders and hackers are aware of what they are doing as well.

Without all the insanely stupid comparisons to faster NICs and better mice that have soiled this thread, the bottom line should be...


...if you are hacking, speeding or scripting...you should be banned...permanently.

morgana, let's face it. they've allowed us to script skills for like 8 years. stop calling it cheating. do you seriously train chars manually? if so I pity you.

I'm not even kidding, you haven't run a script in 8 years? it's been legal the entire time.

 

[Storm]

...if you are hacking, speeding or scripting...you should be banned...permanently.

Agreed/

 

[ingsmsico]

...if you are scripting...you should be banned...permanently.

why should people be banned for scripting skills.. explain it to me in detail.

 

[AesSedai]

why should people be banned for scripting skills.. explain it to me in detail.

- I have a better idea: why don't you search for your answers, in detail, right here on Stratics.

There are nearly an infinite number of reasons as to why cheating is bad for everyone that has ever been/is/or will be involved with UO. This subject has been covered a multitude of times, right here on Stratics, over the years.
^-- That is a period defacto truism, indubitably indeed. Aye

 

[RawHeadRex]

I bet a high quality piece of hardware does make a difference, but nothing detectable by using ping command

prove me wrong and i'll buy one

since the inception of the killernic, it's never proven in benchmarks to make any difference what-s0-ever as far as lowering ping times as it claims it does.

 

[Lord Chaos]

Complete and utter poppycock, like most of the nonsense you post is when it comes to this issue. No "handicapped" person requires a "scripting program" such as "The-Program-Which-Shall-Not-Be-Named" to "play properly". There are all kinds of interface options available for people with all kinds of handicaps, from the visually impaired, to those with either no hands, or no ability to use them.

This is completely incorrect, stop spreading BS.

I'm sure at least some of them come with some kind of scripting functionality, all of which are perfectly legal, and none of which come even close to the functionality available with "The-Program-Which-Shall-Not-Be-Named". Another painfully transparent smoke screen, and another attempt to confuse and obscure the real issues.

Some of them exceed the functionality of the program that shall not be named, being faster. But yes, there's many things these tools can't do, but they do give an unfair advantage to those who do not have them or can't afford them.

 

[Lord Chaos]

Without all the insanely stupid comparisons to faster NICs and better mice that have soiled this thread, the bottom line should be...

Ah yes, because having an unfair advantage over another player is ok, lol.

But I see what you're doing, you're hoping this will get implemented for the regular shards to crash and burn, then hope the devs in their desperation will make a classic shard...clever.

...if you are hacking, speeding or scripting...you should be banned...permanently.

Many of these legal tools hack, cause speedhacking or are scripts.

 

[Konge]

You are the scourge and bane of UO, the true threat to this game. Your justifications are more lame than even the most hardcore of cheater. You are not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

Projecting.

 

[Lord Chaos]

Lord Chaos is the one that has apparently successfully managed to confuse the issue here. At no time has any dev, or anyone in an official position, implied in any way that programmable input devices are a cheat.

Nowhere have I stated they were a cheat, quit making up crap. I stated they give an unfair advantage.

There is some functionality that comes with some of them that you might want to be careful of, but for the most part they are perfectly legit. The upcoming third party cheat detection has nothing to do with those devices, or their supporting software.

That you know of, you have no idea what it does or how it works...I am amazed that when it comes to you guys holy cow, then you all of a sudden have complete confidence that the dev team well implement a complex program of this magnitude, LOL, just LOL.

Lord Chaos doesn't want the third party cheat detection implemented so he is deliberately fear mongering and spreading information. No dev has ever suggested that these devices or their supporting software is illegal, and in fact when asked the have explicitly stated that they are legal, and they use them as well.

Please don't listen to Lord Chaos when it comes to anything with regard to this topic. He is trolling. He is deliberately attempting to obscure and confuse the issue, and he is spreading misinformation.

You making up lies are the real trolls, in fact you're the one trying to obscure the facts and reality of the situation to support your rabid myopic cause.

You are the scourge of UO, the worst of the worst.

 

[Lord Chaos]

Projecting.

lol, ok, how exactly am I attempting to get the game shut down? Its run fine in the 12+ years I've been here. How am I attempting to destroy communities and gameplay that are in the game now? How am I affecting your gameplay?

Oh wait, you're the one projecting to serve your rabid goal of the slow downfall of UO.

 

[Konge]

Nowhere have I stated they were a cheat, quit making up crap. I stated they give an unfair advantage.

Under the definition of cheat.

—Synonyms
1. mislead, dupe, delude; gull, con; hoax, fool. Cheat, deceive, trick, victimize refer to the use of fraud or artifice deliberately to hoodwink or obtain an unfair advantage over someone

 

[Konge]

lol, ok, how exactly am I attempting to get the game shut down? Its run fine in the 12+ years I've been here. How am I attempting to destroy communities and gameplay that are in the game now? How am I affecting your gameplay?

Oh wait, you're the one projecting to serve your rabid goal of the slow downfall of UO.

Apparently, you're reading comp is off. I said nothing about UO. I simply accused you of projecting your negative beliefs on others because they disagree with you. As is the case of every thread you're in.

 

[Lord Chaos]

Under the definition of cheat.

—Synonyms
1. mislead, dupe, delude; gull, con; hoax, fool. Cheat, deceive, trick, victimize refer to the use of fraud or artifice deliberately to hoodwink or obtain an unfair advantage over someone

Then by that definition, its a cheat, no matter if its legal or not. But that is that definition.

 

[Lord Chaos]

Apparently, you're reading comp is off. I said nothing about UO. I simply accused you of projecting your negative beliefs on others because they disagree with you. As is the case of every thread you're in.

I am fine with people disagreeing, I am not fine with people threatening the game I love.

 

[Konge]

Then by that definition, its a cheat, no matter if its legal or not. But that is that definition.

But you see, when everyone is legally given the option, it's not an unfair advantage, and thus, not a cheat. But, you know, that's just logic and deductive reasoning. Don't let that get in the way of your points. After all, you are a grandmaster politician, right?

 

[Konge]

I am fine with people disagreeing, I am not fine with people threatening the game I love.

Hmmm... Someone wanting the illegal scripts to be removed, but wanting the people in risk being warned instead of instant banned is threatening the game you love? So... this is the equivalent of letting your overweight grandson continue to eat twinkies because telling him to actually go outside might cause him to stop speaking to you for a week. You choose instant gratification, relaxed policing, instead of long term gratification, removal of cheats.

Oh, I forgot, you're also yelling explicits at your son-in-law for trying to get him in shape.

 

[It Lives]

I am fine with people disagreeing, I am not fine with people threatening the game I love.

Last few days you come off as defending all cheating, so let me fix this for you.


" I am not fine with people threatening my lazy, selfish, self centered play style."

I hope your the first to go when it goes live, so I can hear all your excuses. Its Ok we know your skerrd!

 

[Kiminality]

Then by that definition, its a cheat, no matter if its legal or not. But that is that definition.

So, you say it's an unfair advantage, to which someone takes that as you saying it's a cheat.
You deny that you called it a cheat and restate "unfair advantage", to which someone pulls out a definition of "cheat" including "unfair advantage".
So, then you say it's a cheat, which is exactly what you said you weren't saying.

Keeping up with your cyclic arguments makes my head spin.

 

[Connor_Graham]

Ok, so if a person is handicapped and requires a scripting program to play properly, it should be allowed to save a costumer?

A person that's handicapped would figure out a way to play without using a cheat program. If they had to cheat in order to do something, most wouldn't do it, as most handicapped people are used to fighting adversity, and have a very strong will to succeed at having a high degree of normalcy in their lives.

You don't know jack about handicapped people. Leave them out of your examples as your statements are a gross insult.


If it's true that you are what you eat, then please tell me why you've been chomping on a mule's ass?