Is there really pk'ing on free shards in the T2A era? You might want to take a look at post #145 to get an official UO devs perspective from back in the day, and why changes were eventually necessary.
Yeah but your post on 145 is refering to pre stat loss days, we've pretty much come to an agreement here that stat loss era is what we want put in place.
Well, it didn't seem like he was much aware of what was going on in UO on the official shards. Even though stat loss came into play, it didn't stop the pk'ing depending on the shard you were on. The most it did was separate the real reds so you knew for sure who to watch out for.
We dont want to stop pking. That isnt the point to stat loss. We want to reduce the ammount of people who go nuts pking new players mining 24/7 and making it so u cant step out of guards without being pestered...
I know why the changes were eventualy nessessary. The point to my post was not to say that freeshards are all era accurate but the fact that many people (pvpers included) would rather play an EA shard with those points as opposed to a free shard without them.
Obiously you misunderstood what I was getting at. I wasn't discussing era accurate mechanics but as Unsatisfied pointed out, reason why players would perfer to play an EA server over a UO server.
Exactly. There has to be some risk factor to both PvM and Pking. On a shard like this you may even see Anti-Pk guilds reborn.
DW Petra I dont think anyones accused you of being bias in that poll since the early pages of this thread, and it was only a minority that bitched.... like always, and if you read whats been recently posted a large majority of the thread has come to a pretty acceptable list of whats classic give or take 1 or 2 tiny things that no ones gonna care largely about either way.
If you bar any group of people, then your options/selections aren't valid. There have been more than a few Trammel based players here that have been in support of this. But I guess we aren't good enough to come into your playground?
Your problem is, you read what you want to read, and put a lot of things between the lines that aren't there, and ignore everything else. You want to ignore some unwilling allies, that's on your head.
IS exclusion. You don't like their message, and they don't like yours, so let's not let them in *OUR* sandbox.
I only wanna comment on this part, the rest of it is between you two I guess but I think what she was trying to say in this bit is that anti classic shard people shouldnt be included because more than likely their single goal would be to derail the idea, not to play the shard itself.
I understand the post, but does anyone think that something exclusionary like that will
So your position is made clear...you want a Classic Post-Ren shard. Wonderful. You want what you want.
Thats pretty much explains why I have givin up on the thread, If they decide to go back in time and make T2A again with none of the great things UO has put in game, over a decades worth of stuff that would not hurt the general spirit of T2A UO. Then I no longer support said shard, nor will I have any intrest playing it all over again, it would Be like Playing Super Mario Brothers on my old NES.
Exactly what I have been calling for...so why turn on me? We want the same things. I said nothing against these things, or you. I merely said that there were players (I will not mention names) that have said that exactly what you are asking for is "a waste of resources".
I agree with you 100%.
All this sounds great! In the last couple of days, I signed up for one of those player-run shards and it has exactly this and is exactly what I remember loving about UO. I quit UO because I was sick of the devaluation of money (everybody had 40 million in the bank) and scripters getting all of the artifacts. The player-run shard is fine for now, but I want something from EA/Mythic that I pay for and know will not be deleted when the people running it run out of desire or resources.
There's some minor things I'd change on the lost but I'm not even going to mention them for the simple fact of an apropriate compromise.
I'd take it in a split second...but I do have a couple of minor points:
I'd be elated for this.
See no custom housing would be a deal breaker to me, its one of my most favorite systems in UO, where the house hiders come in is the fact the housing rules favor that type of cowardice. Pre aos anyone could enter houses unless the door was locked, if you made it in you would be gray and freely attackable if you were not co-owner or friend. the day they made private housing was the day house hiding PvP became the norm.
One of the things that bother me about UO is the inability to be a Jack of All Trades in skills, because everything requires top skill numbers to be effective (well, most do). This reminder about poison and potions goes right along with that. I like lots of options and things to do. I don't want to be restricted to a few things that my "class" can do.
I completely agree about a game needing those merchant types. This is why I want to see a justice system that works to reduce PKing and stealing to acceptable levels, yet allows for players to kill a few jerks once in a while.
Any server that has customizable housing no longer has my support.
...anything else could be added later, but only if it had the support of over 90% of the player base, were a classic shard to actually get off the ground.
Tamers werent all dominance with dragons. It was a pain to control all of those creatures at once. If a tamer had more than 3 pets out at once, they would start to disobey the tamers commands. Also, people LOVED killing dragons back then. As soon as word got out there was some tamer with a bunch of dragons, people would go after them for the sole fact of being able to kill the dragons. Of course, this is when people wanted to be Glorious Lord/Lady and killing dragons was a good way to achieve that.
Lets see.... a bone chest piece dropped your dex by -7, the arms by -2, the gloves by 0, and the leggings by -3. Yeah, thats about right, they didnt eat up your dex as much as plate.
They arent deal breakers, but they would fix some old problems from back then. I remember people compaining they couldnt fix their staves, or bows or leather armor. I also remember people complaining about the campfire jerks who would light campfires around the bank to drop people's GM'd skills. That stat controls fixed that and the crafting upgrades are just logical. It never made sense that players couldnt fix bows or leather armor.
You obviously never saw people camping inside of a House with large patio before. Back in T2A, some wusses would use houses like that to shoot at people from the patio. The only balancing factor was people could shoot back at them because they were open and exposed on that patio.