There should be a penalty for killing fellow faction members.

[Divster]

Simply yes. The point of being in a faction is you are SUPPOSED to stand for what the faction stands for! Take this in real world terms. In WWII we were not on good terms with russia, however, we put aside our differences when it came to stopping the nazies.

Now how would it have turned out IF when our soldiers were "bored" in or near a camp where russians were, we just up and killed them cause "There is not anyone else around to fight"? No, they didnt do that!

You wanna go on a kill all rampage? I have no problem with that, but you have no place in factions if you are going to kill your own army members.

I am sure glad people like this do not run the world. Were bored and Sadam Hussain is gone, lets drop some bombs on Paris because they have something we want. Even though we are allied with France, they might get that one PS FROM US!

In short, if you wanna kill everyone but those in your guild, you do not belong in factions and you are going completely against what they stand for. This is just as much a valid argument as the babies who cry about faction arties that get used in tram. Only more so, because when you join a faction you kinda expect that your fellow factioneers will you know, not be a bunch of little kids and understand what they mean.

Quick, without looking it up, can you tell me what your faction stands for? Its means? Why it was created? Who runs it? What its virtues are?

Gosh I remember the days when if you were red and came by a red, you didnt just out and attack, you actually talked. Reds didnt attack reds, blues didnt attack blues.

So yes, you should be denied from killing those in yoru same faction. Part of being in the faction.

Wow pls don't try and tell me your comparing factional in fighting in uo to the total war mentality of WW2? Well ok how about the fact that many partisan units in many countries often came to blows between each other as well as with the occupying forces due to in some cases a simple difference in opinion in the best way to prosecute thier campaigns? History is full of examples of factions turning to infighting and treachery its one of those inescapable treasures of human nature.

How about people using a faction member to spy on or grief members of his own faction? If as many suggest we made it impossible to attack same faction there would be no way of dealing with those people.

I remember those days when people talked too, however I don;t get confused by misty eyed sentimentality, some people did just attack, whether blue or red.

It really aint any different from being attacked by a normal red, you know those who will do it so take precations and either avoid them or repay the compliment.

 

[Capt.E]

First, if interfaction PvP was stopped, NO, not everyone on the server would be the same faction. If people want to PvP obviously you wouldn't be in a faction that everyone else is in if it means you can't attack others.

Second, no one here is talking about bringing tram to fel.

Take your 2 gp's back

You are talking about being unattackable right? Which is the point of this thread correct? Can you attack people in tram? And you want this in fel? Hmmm..... Sounds to me like you want a little slice of tram with your fel pie. And the simple answer is no. Some shards have a dominant faction, it sounds like whatever one you are on has one. So, what would prevent me from making a faction toon in the dominant faction so I can hoard ps's and never be attacked? The answer is that the other guild in that faction will kill me. I tend to think of factions like the faction is the religion and the guild is the church. Maybe a bad example but you get the point.

 

[rareitem]

I agree, faction players should be punished for killing people of the same faction.
Faction players should be able to report on death.
So if one char is reported 5 times, he gets kicked out of the faction system for a time lets say 30 days.

In Europa there is a nerd that kills every faction member that didnt vote him for leadership, lol..... quite a big ego...

 

[Goldberg-Chessy]

You are playing factions & whining about social graces? That is rich.
EVERY person that plays factions(allies or opposing members)steals kills, rezzkills, and does all types of bs just to get precious points/rank. Whats your point?

You didnt mention any type of gank so I will assume that you died 1 vs 1.
Get over it. You died to another player and are now whining on the boards?
Pathetic.

Just because you are a bottom of the barrel PvPer does not mean that everyone else is. Quit using the *everyone* excuse, its lame and disrespectful towards the rest of us.

Thats funny

I have no clue who you are ingame ofc but I will say that if you have ever played factions that YOU have done more then your share of trash fighting tactics all in the name of getting points.
I would love to hear even ONE faction player state in this thread that he/she has never done anything less then honorable while in factions. And we all know what less then honorable means.

Bottom line is that the current faction system is incredibly flawed AND promotes ganking, steal killing, rezzkilling and every other tactic that would not be considered honorable in regular fighting.
And I personally have no problem with this. If you join a faction you should know whats coming. I just have a problem with certain punks coming to the boards claiming purity & looking for respect that is not deserved lol.

 

[Goldberg-Chessy]

Hmmm, I'm surprised not a single person has mentioned this....

Make it so dev gods:

kill a fellow faction member and all your points are forfeit to them. (this of course would mean that they would have to update faction points more often)

in an instance where your faction points are forfeit in such a manner, you can't get any more for an 8 hour in game time period. (the same period of time taken to work off a short term count).

Seems to be the most simple way to thwart people from "team killing" yet not completely banish it.

Anyone have a better solution?

Sounds like the basis of a very, very good idea to me.

Points/rank are a vital part of factions ofc so it would force people to choose between wanting the faction bonus/status or wanting the random, non faction related pvp such as spawns and gatefighting between different guilds.

It would maybe even go a ways towards curbing some of the undesirable fallout of factions such as players being able to use powerful faction gear in Trammel as players may have to use different characters for different situations in Felucca. Not a huge issue IMO but still an issue for some.

 

[DarkScripture]

I vote there SHOULD be a penalty of some sort. A roll-over of the current murder count systems as is BUT counting faction crimes. Some people are worth killing. Once you get so many counts in a time frame you are removed. Never to be part of that factions again. You are deemed a TRAITOR on your title in any other faction you join there after. All your faction gear should be striped BARE .. nothing left of your life there but ashes.

You are now deemed a traitor..
Free for all killing is not what factions are about.

 

[DarkScripture]

Chaos & Justice need to be included. If you want be in bloodlust and kill everyone, Chaos should be the place for you. Everyone need to have a place in this game.

 

[Budweiser KDL]

It's a bunch of bullcrap. We are supposed to be allies or something, we are in the same faction. Killing factions members enough times should get you booted from the faction or something.

alot of faction players have more than one account. with that said, they put chars in other factions sometimes to grow the point count and or to use up all your factions traps by setting them places you dont need (thus helping another faction) and killing that group of faction players during a raid by his or her other faction. there is a guild on napa that does this. they use up faction traps in our faction all the time. so as for you being killed by a same faction player. get over it. it will always be like that.

 

[Lynk]

Devs, I beseech you - ignore this whole thread filled with trammie rage.

 

[Viper09]

You are talking about being unattackable right? Which is the point of this thread correct? Can you attack people in tram? And you want this in fel? Hmmm..... Sounds to me like you want a little slice of tram with your fel pie. And the simple answer is no. Some shards have a dominant faction, it sounds like whatever one you are on has one. So, what would prevent me from making a faction toon in the dominant faction so I can hoard ps's and never be attacked? The answer is that the other guild in that faction will kill me. I tend to think of factions like the faction is the religion and the guild is the church. Maybe a bad example but you get the point.

Read the title of this thread. The idea is to make a penalty for killing fellow faction members. You posed the idea to make them unattackable.

 

[The Fallout]

You are talking about being unattackable right? Which is the point of this thread correct? Can you attack people in tram? And you want this in fel? Hmmm..... Sounds to me like you want a little slice of tram with your fel pie. And the simple answer is no. Some shards have a dominant faction, it sounds like whatever one you are on has one. So, what would prevent me from making a faction toon in the dominant faction so I can hoard ps's and never be attacked? The answer is that the other guild in that faction will kill me. I tend to think of factions like the faction is the religion and the guild is the church. Maybe a bad example but you get the point.

I never said make fellow faction members immune to attack. That would be just as stupid, I said there should be a penalty for killing a fellow member.

 

[The Fallout]

It's funny how people are so adamant about keeping same faction killing. Then calling a person who says it is stupid a trammy, whiner, ect. Well, the so called "better" members of UO keep killing this game. The devs keep catering to them, which then negatively affects the majority players of UO. Good work, keep killing the game slowly.

 

[Budweiser KDL]

It's funny how people are so adamant about keeping same faction killing. Then calling a person who says it is stupid a trammy, whiner, ect. Well, the so called "better" members of UO keep killing this game. The devs keep catering to them, which then negatively affects the majority players of UO. Good work, keep killing the game slowly.

Dood.... Lets say YOUR WAY is implemented. GUILD=A (TB) is charging (SL) base for sigs. You alone or with a friend decide to (HELP)(TB) as you are in TB. You run through one of the GUILD member A's poison field (who is red and TB) causing him to be flagged to you. You die and now you have caused your same FACTION player in a diff guild to have a penalty handed onto him. DO YOU NOW SEE HOW THIS COULD BE WORKED IN A BAD WAY???

And your wondering why this?? =

Then calling a person who says it is stupid a trammy

Weird.

 

[Mervyn]

Hello I'm Mervyn the leader of 2.0


Although we are in the COM faction, i have no control over what players join COM, there are people who have joined COM who i don't like or who cheat, there are an opposing guild in COM who speedhack and i reserve the right to attack them since EA won't action on the cheating and scripting, we will attack anyone who's not in our guild, i could get the guild to vote me as the faction leader, however i won't be able to kick people out of COM, i don't want you in my guild so don't join COM and expect to be treated like a guildmember.

Thankyou and goodnight

 

[Coragin]

Devs, I beseech you - ignore this whole thread filled with trammie rage.

Lynk it has become my experience that the ones who yell or cry loudest get the changes they want (GD Nerf anyone?). Now it is no secret I do not respect you or your opinion as you act like a child most of the time with cheap shot comments on people or acting like plain horses butt because you think its funny. For you missing Lynk, go **** yourself.

Devs, factions were created for a reason and one of the reasons was NOT killing your same faction members. I propose one of two things here...

1. Upon attacking and killing someoen in the same faction, the murder type gump opens if you want to report this person for killing in the same faction. IF you choose yes, the person explodes, goes to 0 kill count and cannot get any faction kill points for 24 hours. If he is in a guild, have a broadcast to the entire guild in the form of a warning. If it happens two more times from the SAME guy in any timeframe, the entire guild is ejected from the faction and cannot rejoin.

Or if this is too much for the Red trammies that need their precious arties...like Lynk....

2. Make all in the same faction un killable (i.e. Tram rules), red or not. Afterall if you really dont like said guild and you are in the same faction, you have choices, a) deal with it or b) join a different faction.

Or now this is funny. Give faction commanders and leaders a 'court' where if reported, all members of said faction can vote on keeping the violator or eject him from the faction.

You know you all pancake that faction farmers farm silver for arties and stay in tram and it is NOT as intended! But do you think killing of the same faction members WERE intended? No! Its a side effect that has gone unchecked for far too long.

 

[Goldberg-Chessy]

Thats funny

I have no clue who you are ingame ofc but I will say that if you have ever played factions that YOU have done more then your share of trash fighting tactics all in the name of getting points.
I would love to hear even ONE faction player state in this thread that he/she has never done anything less then honorable while in factions. And we all know what less then honorable means.

Bottom line is that the current faction system is incredibly flawed AND promotes ganking, steal killing, rezzkilling and every other tactic that would not be considered honorable in regular fighting.
And I personally have no problem with this. If you join a faction you should know whats coming. I just have a problem with certain punks coming to the boards claiming purity & looking for respect that is not deserved lol.

You are definitely one of the biggest herbs on these boards.

Are you just trying to build up your post count with your endless pathetic whining & machine gun posts or are you just too dense to understand what many other people in this same thread are trying to explain to you?

Free advice: If you get severely owned(as you did based on your OP)it's always better to cool off a bit instead of logging off and coming straight to the boards to cry. Was your pretty faction corpse even bones before you posted honey?

 

[Divster]

Lynk it has become my experience that the ones who yell or cry loudest get the changes they want (GD Nerf anyone?). Now it is no secret I do not respect you or your opinion as you act like a child most of the time with cheap shot comments on people or acting like plain horses butt because you think its funny. For you missing Lynk, go **** yourself.

Devs, factions were created for a reason and one of the reasons was NOT killing your same faction members. I propose one of two things here...

1. Upon attacking and killing someoen in the same faction, the murder type gump opens if you want to report this person for killing in the same faction. IF you choose yes, the person explodes, goes to 0 kill count and cannot get any faction kill points for 24 hours. If he is in a guild, have a broadcast to the entire guild in the form of a warning. If it happens two more times from the SAME guy in any timeframe, the entire guild is ejected from the faction and cannot rejoin.

Or if this is too much for the Red trammies that need their precious arties...like Lynk....

2. Make all in the same faction un killable (i.e. Tram rules), red or not. Afterall if you really dont like said guild and you are in the same faction, you have choices, a) deal with it or b) join a different faction.

Or now this is funny. Give faction commanders and leaders a 'court' where if reported, all members of said faction can vote on keeping the violator or eject him from the faction.

You know you all pancake that faction farmers farm silver for arties and stay in tram and it is NOT as intended! But do you think killing of the same faction members WERE intended? No! Its a side effect that has gone unchecked for far too long.

hehe this is actually quite amusing 1st you accuse someone of cheap comments and acting like a child and then go and post something like your first paragraph.. nice going

secondly you propose a system where any red/blue who goes through a field from a blue/red from same faction can then use that to inflict your proposed punishment on the other player, yeah cos that wouldn't be abused at all!

thirdly you point out that if people don't like one of your proposed changes you can a) deal with it or b) join another faction. I'm curious as to whats stopping you from following your own advice? pay particular attention to a) deal with it, which incidentally was the main argument forwarded by those who wanted to keep gd's as they were!

lastly you propose a system by which people can vote others out.. do you really not see how this could be abused?

The only thing this thread might achieve would be to force a significant
amount of people to leave factions resulting in the system once again dying. The problem with factions is not people attacking thier own, but more with the system in place not being good enough.

 

[Budweiser KDL]

gump opens if you want to report this person for killing in the same faction. IF you choose yes, the person explodes, goes to 0 kill count and cannot get any faction kill points for 24 hours. If he is in a guild, have a broadcast to the entire guild in the form of a warning. If it happens two more times from the SAME guy in any timeframe, the entire guild is ejected from the faction and cannot rejoin.

You really should learn to read posts. Read my above posts good sir. Your idea is not sound. It would be so easy for me to join alt faction on second account and hit your field (if your red) and die. Thus causing you to explode. I then log onto my first account and continue to defend the base. Are you people really this stupid here that think this is a good idea? It's obvious some people know little about faction fighting.

I can't believe you think that your idea's couldn't be exploited.

If your not guilded, your fair game, same faction or not. Otherwise don't join factions solo.

 

[Capt.E]

wow, fallout pulled the "your killing uo" card. I think he/she is starting to see how these ideas could be exploited.

We should blame the economy, competition from other mmorpg's, and a million other reasons than faction killing for "killing uo" which I really think is an ignorant statement seeing as how we just got the best expansion in awhile and the devs actually care about the players opinions. This idea should be ignored, it is way too easily exploitable on far too many levels to be useful to anyone.

 

[Tina Small]

Fallout, unfortunately there are a fair number of people who play UO who have no qualms about doing the kinds of things Budweiser mentioned. I've seen it happen on several shards where the guild that is attempting to completely lock down factions on their shard will put a tinker character and perhaps a stealther (at the very least) in all of the opposing factions for the sole purpose of placing all the traps for those factions in inaccessible or remote locations.

I'll never forget the sight that greeted my guild about 1 1/2 years ago when we got into factions on a new shard for us and visited the TB base and detected 45 traps out front...15 TB traps, 15 COM, and 15 SL traps. And of course, we couldn't place any traps because all 15 of the Minax traps had already been placed...inside the walls running through Britain a stone's throw from the TB base entrance, in a place that we had no runes to reach.

It is certainly possible to run a defense without the help of traps. However, when you run into shenanigans like this, I think most people who've been in factions for any length of time don't hesitate to kill a character that they think is engaged in such dirty tricks.

And, as Budweiser pointed out, a lot of folks who've played in factions for a long time have multiple accounts and may do things like put thieves in several factions to keep sigils hidden from another faction, or perhaps for the purpose of bouncing the sigils around until it's convenient to do a defense.

I've also seen situations where someone will throw a noob character in your faction solely for the purpose of being able to get past your defenses to see who is in the base while you're doing a defense and whether you've got any nice surprises hiding inside.

It happens.......all the time. And it's why groups that have a bit of experience with factions often have at least one red character around to murder those not-so-innocent spies that are trying to infiltrate and handicap your faction. It's also why some groups that have been doing factions a while have a hard and fast rule that they won't tolerate anyone else being active with them in the same faction. It can be a "kill first, ask questions later" type of situation, ESPECIALLY if the shard is a busy one for true faction fights. When you are in the middle of a defense and a strange character in your faction waltzes into view, I think everyone who's running the defense tends to be very suspicious about what's going on. It just isn't the time to expect to be welcomed with open arms.

I have to agree with many others here that a penalty system to punish killing a faction mate doesn't really make sense, given all the low down dirty tricks some people pull, along with the possibility that such a penalty system might be too easy to exploit, as it was being exploited on Siege. I'd far rather see things stay as they are and hope that people accept that not everyone in the same faction with you is going to be happy to see you or want you on their side.

If you run into a situation like this, I think you just give it your best shot to talk to the other guys. If they're pretty adamant they don't want you around, then be prepared for the PvP or move on to another faction. There is no shame in changing factions if the one you selected the first time around just isn't a good fit. You've got four to choose from, thank goodness and getting out of a faction now only takes three days instead of seven.

Hang in there. Let your skin get a bit thicker. Enjoy yourself. And good luck to you in perhaps finding a better group of people to ally with so you can all have some good fun. And I hope you used the feedback form to report that you went into skill loss when killed by a faction mate. That shouldn't happen and if it is happening, you would be helping out all of us by turning in the details so it can be fixed.

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

Thats funny

I have no clue who you are ingame ofc but I will say that if you have ever played factions that YOU have done more then your share of trash fighting tactics all in the name of getting points.
I would love to hear even ONE faction player state in this thread that he/she has never done anything less then honorable while in factions. And we all know what less then honorable means.

Bottom line is that the current faction system is incredibly flawed AND promotes ganking, steal killing, rezzkilling and every other tactic that would not be considered honorable in regular fighting.
And I personally have no problem with this. If you join a faction you should know whats coming. I just have a problem with certain punks coming to the boards claiming purity & looking for respect that is not deserved lol.

Heh...what would jesus do? I mean...well what do I mean.

What it boils down to is...

1) I give away points all the time...I like to 1 vs. 1 and prefer it.

2) My favorite aspect of this game is field fighting on old school mage temps 1 vs. 1

3) I consider 3 vs. 1 to be a part of the yew gate norm. If you die to one, go sit out stat...but if you live...tell your friends.

4) Respect? What is that really? Most in the fel aspect besides my guild hate me (heh prob some guildies too)...which is fine. I live my life with open honesty. You may not like what I have to say, but at least you always know where you stand with me.

5) Purity? Nope...never mentioned purity...I do unto others as they do unto me. Otherwise, if all is good I will rez you up and send you fully healed on your merry way. No poop talk, just *good fight*.

and back to the topic...I am just happy faction members cannot stat you.

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

Are you just trying to build up your post count with your endless pathetic whining & machine gun posts or are you just too dense to understand what many other people in this same thread are trying to explain to you?

Free advice: If you get severely owned(as you did based on your OP)it's always better to cool off a bit instead of logging off and coming straight to the boards to cry. Was your pretty faction corpse even bones before you posted honey?

Heh...funny you mention pwnin's. I served you twice yesterday, both times 2 vs. me. Wut happened?

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

factions are for pussys. Order Chaos waffles!!!!!

You know...it would be interesting if they made every alliance choose one or the other.

 

[Coragin]

I notice people bringing out the flaws in the report system and abuse and why nots, I get your point there. But, why is it that you only comment on one of two proposed solutions? You are completely ignoring the other solution, I wonder why that is?

FYI, the second solution is you just cant attack members of your own faction, fields wont work on them, pots wont work, EV's, pets anything. You just outright cannot attack them for any reason at all, in any way.

Or you could always combine one and two and get, yes you can attack, but any AE or field wont work, ie. you can pas right through as if you were in tram. Same with pets.

It really bothers me that people join factions and dont even bother to know what they are really about. And no its not all about pvp, there is lore and backstory. There should be a reason you join faction a over b, you should agree with the principles. I highly doubt TB faction would stand for murdering just for the fun of it. Or out of boredom.

Honestly, people only join factions for the arties. Weather your in tram or fel, you are in that faction for arties. If you are not, then prove it, quit the faction if you are the type to kill your own. If you dont care about arties, dont care to have some kind of honor or code to not attack your own, then just quit your faction.

Wanna fix all this and you hardcore murderers can have your way with eachother? Just remmove factions completely, put all rewards up for all champ spawns, done. Now all you pvp mongers can go ahead and kill eachother and get all giddy about it and talk smack to eachother and you never have to worry about trammies, faction arties, or anything ever again.

I am so sick of the lame excuses people come up with for why they kill other players.

"Theres not anyone who comes to fell"
"I was bored"
"We own this"

Blah blah....

It is all just a reason to be anti-social.

 

[Lynk]

Lynk it has become my experience that the ones who yell or cry loudest get the changes they want (GD Nerf anyone?). Now it is no secret I do not respect you or your opinion as you act like a child most of the time with cheap shot comments on people or acting like plain horses butt because you think its funny. For you missing Lynk, go **** yourself.

I've only quoted the part of your post that I read. After that it was pretty clear you were going into another bullet-point type post pretending like you have any god damned clue of what you're talking about.

I like how you talk about me being childish, then you tell me to go fornicate myself. Well maybe I will, and just like with legendsguy, I'll have to use my tears as lubricant because your post hurt my feelings!

Now why don't you go play the game and get face planted by anyone who flags you.

 

[Lynk]

Hello I'm Mervyn the leader of the fake 2.0. I was unable to make my own guild tag so I stole someone elses.

I fixed your post for you. If I pinged less than 200 to Europa I'd come there and beat you into submission until you changed your tag.

 

[Lynk]

Again - Dev's, I beg you. I'm actually typing this on my hands and knees right now.

Blacklist this thread and completely ignore any drivel that Coragin (and the 1 or 2 people like him) post. They do not understand PvP or factions and are trying to push their trammel based ideas onto a fel based PvP system.

 

[kelmo]

Again - Dev's, I beg you. I'm actually typing this on my hands and knees right now.

Blacklist this thread and completely ignore any drivel that Coragin (and the 1 or 2 people like him) post. They do not understand PvP or factions and are trying to push their trammel based ideas onto a fel based PvP system.

Agrees...

 

[Divster]

I fixed your post for you. If I pinged less than 200 to Europa I'd come there and beat you into submission until you changed your tag.

lol just lol!

 

[Nexus]

Again - Dev's, I beg you. I'm actually typing this on my hands and knees right now.

Blacklist this thread and completely ignore any drivel that Coragin (and the 1 or 2 people like him) post. They do not understand PvP or factions and are trying to push their trammel based ideas onto a fel based PvP system.

Unfortunatly that's not true for all of us opposed to factions.. It's a Broken System, nothing short of a complete overhaul will fix it. Exploitation of Faction Points has killed it, along with removal of a balancer. I've said it many times Fel on Prodo is just as Carebear as any other area, there is ZERO risk outside a small amount of insurance gold on standard prodo shards. You'll rarely leave Fel with less than you entered it with, that you don't run the same risk of loosing in Trammel, Malas, Ilshenar, Tokuno, or Ter Mur, gaining a powerscroll or stat scroll and losing it to a Zerg does not constitute risk as you broke even instead of gaining, risk would involve loosing something you didn't have to start with. Easily obtainable and replaceable artifacts through factions has further diminished risk, before you had to worry about the insurance bug, now if you lose it you just go get a new one.

On Siege Factions has become a Blight to the entire concept of the shard due to faction arties, they are character bound which has yeilded a quasi insurance system, If you loot it you can't use it, it's easier to sell it back to a person. Before you'd either keep the armor, weapon, etc. for yourself, hand it back, or trash it. Them being character bound basically equates to the same as being blessed on Siege as they are useless to anyone else.

On Both Siege Ruleset and Standard Prodo Faction has unbalanced PvP completely, the ability of being able to easily create Uber Suits in the hands of faction players vs Difficulty of making an competitive one for Non-Faction Players is disrupting. The only solution to fixing all of these things is one of the following.

1. Remove Factions
2. Completely Overhaul Factions
3. Remove Faction Artifacts

I have my own ideas on how I'd like to see it Overhauled if Removal wasn't an option.

The 4 Current Factions would disband, and be replaced by Factions based on each of the Champs that spawn in Felucca/T2A. No Faction Tithing, No Traps, No Faction Guards, No Faction Vendors, etc. Most especially No Faction Arties or they would be available for sell to any player who acquires the silver and won't character Bind meaning you don't have to be factions to have one, if you PvP and loot enough silver off corpses or buy enough you can get one.

The New Factions would be aligned to:
Oaks
Semidar
Barracoon
Mephitis
Rikktor
Neira

You now have a 6 Faction System, reintroduce the Balancer as now there is more choice of faction to join.

Each Faction gets a City

Oaks - Trinsic
Semidar - Moonglow
Mephitis - Minoc
Rikktor - Serpants Hold
Neira - Yew
Barracoon - Buc's Den

Each Faction is Unofficially Allied with one other. So say Barracoon is aligned with Rikktor, Rikktor with Neira etc. Never a direct back and forth.

Faction members may freely visit their faction towns and any aligned with it giving each faction a total of 3 towns they can go about. Any other they enter non-stealth summons Faction guards until the player is dead, or leaves town guard zone.

To get around this a Thief from another faction has to sneak into the town, steal the sigil [this removes the guards summon] and bring it back to their base. The Sigil Stone does not change color to show which faction stole it, this adds challenge as any faction could be guilty of taking it.

Non-Faction Blues can visit any city, and have protection of the old insta-wack guards.

Faction bases would be located in Each City no more of this crap of some bases being easily defendable.

Another Factor, if your in a Faction you cannot gain PS from doing your factions Champion Spawn. But You can gain Scrolls from Defending it from others. If you raid to defend your spawn, you get 1 random 115 or 120 scroll per 3 persons you kill, if they have been working the spawn.

 

[Coragin]

I've only quoted the part of your post that I read. After that it was pretty clear you were going into another bullet-point type post pretending like you have any god damned clue of what you're talking about.

I like how you talk about me being childish, then you tell me to go fornicate myself. Well maybe I will, and just like with legendsguy, I'll have to use my tears as lubricant because your post hurt my feelings!

Now why don't you go play the game and get face planted by anyone who flags you.

Whats funny is, all I need to do is quote myself.

as you act like a child most of the time with cheap shot comments on people or acting like plain horses butt because you think its funny

You lose.

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

Again - Dev's, I beg you. I'm actually typing this on my hands and knees right now.

Blacklist this thread and completely ignore any drivel that Coragin (and the 1 or 2 people like him) post. They do not understand PvP or factions and are trying to push their trammel based ideas onto a fel based PvP system.

Agrees...

el oh el!!!!

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

You lose.

No sir, if you quote yourself as a source of information all is lost. We all lost for taking the time to read this rant.

Next time just post a topic...and then use this:



mmmk?

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

lots of stuffs...shortened tho

I disagree. The game was broken, factions fixed much of that. Faction artifacts have allowed many newer players an opportunity for endgame activity, and with the advent of imbuing even more players are able to participate. (if they so wish)

If you wish to hold onto some nostalgic viewpoint based upon the past...do so. However do not ask to use the way way back machine just because you do not want to update your toon. Its figging loony sir....loony.


(besides, I think most people would prefer a old school shard as an alternative...and not a expansion revert)

 

[Xenobia]

If you don't want to die, go to trammel and join NO guild. Oh and don't go fight a monster by yourself. There...problem solved. Can we get on with it?

 

[Nexus]

I disagree. The game was broken, factions fixed much of that. Faction artifacts have allowed many newer players an opportunity for endgame activity, and with the advent of imbuing even more players are able to participate. (if they so wish)

If you wish to hold onto some nostalgic viewpoint based upon the past...do so. However do not ask to use the way way back machine just because you do not want to update your toon. Its figging loony sir....loony.


(besides, I think most people would prefer a old school shard as an alternative...and not a expansion revert)

It's not a nostalgic view point, Factions haven't fixed anything, the addition of Faction artifacts have made it where those not in or wishing to join factions are at a disadvantage, where's the balancing in that?

Imbuing has helped, but not nearly as much as needed to reverse this, the weights based on properties for Factions Artifacts in general exceeds what can be imbued. Faction Artifacts were in large designed based on popular properties in PvP, players without access to these and the difficulty in obtaining some of the ingredients, makes it so that non-faction players are still at an extreme disadvantage considering faction players have access to custom tailored Imbued equipment in slots other than their artifacts also. You cannot imbue anything that competes with a faction Inquiz, or Folded Steel Glasses. Nor can you replace the benefits of a Faction Crimmy, with any other piece in that slot.

I'm not looking at things from a nostalgic point of view, I'm looking at it as lack of competitive choice. Either join factions or struggle to compete with them in terms of equipment which as become so important to PvP.

Oh and if you want to talk Nostalgic, Factions have been fighting for what almost 9 years now over Felucca and what have they really gained? Nothing, the principle figures behind factions are gone, dead, or forgotten. I'm talking updating it to a more contemporary system based on factors in the current in game world.

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

It's not a nostalgic view point, Factions haven't fixed anything, the addition of Faction artifacts have made it where those not in or wishing to join factions are at a disadvantage, where's the balancing in that?

Imbuing has helped, but not nearly as much as needed to reverse this, the weights based on properties for Factions Artifacts in general exceeds what can be imbued. Faction Artifacts were in large designed based on popular properties in PvP, players without access to these and the difficulty in obtaining some of the ingredients, makes it so that non-faction players are still at an extreme disadvantage considering faction players have access to custom tailored Imbued equipment in slots other than their artifacts also. You cannot imbue anything that competes with a faction Inquiz, or Folded Steel Glasses. Nor can you replace the benefits of a Faction Crimmy, with any other piece in that slot.

I'm not looking at things from a nostalgic point of view, I'm looking at it as lack of competitive choice. Either join factions or struggle to compete with them in terms of equipment which as become so important to PvP.

Oh and if you want to talk Nostalgic, Factions have been fighting for what almost 9 years now over Felucca and what have they really gained? Nothing, the principle figures behind factions are gone, dead, or forgotten. I'm talking updating it to a more contemporary system based on factors in the current in game world.

Factions have advantages and disadvantages. The biggest being the need to wait out stat. Yes faction arties are nice, but not without a price.

Imbuing offers another opportunity to allow other people an opportunity to do things they otherwise could not afford in UO...again...at a price.

You do not offer a comprimise...you wish the system changed to fit >YOUR< wants. However this game does not revolve around you...and on the flip it does not revolve around me. Slapping the tag *contemporary* on something only you want is laughable at best sir.

From what I gather, you just do not like nor are willing to change your playstyle in an old yet evolving game. Fault yourself for that sir, not the game. Either learn to adapt, deal with it, or send the devs. a memo.

 

[Goodmann]

20% point loss for killing a same faction member
or
Loss of rank

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

20% point loss for killing a same faction member
or
Loss of rank

Ever hear of friendly fire? How about spies? What you ask for would only encourage grief.

 

[Mistura]

Hello I'm Mervyn the leader of the fake 2.0. I was unable to make my own guild tag so I stole someone elses.

I fixed your post for you. If I pinged less than 200 to Europa I'd come there and beat you into submission until you changed your tag.

haha you would have your hands full with Mervyn, Lynk.

When did you start your 2.0 guild?

 

[Mistura]

I can't believe the trammy nonesense in this thread if I'm honest.

No fighthing between factions? Do you like PvPing?

If you like to PvP you would never oppose fighting between factions.

I can't see this ever changing anyway.

Fel is what it is, if you don't like non con PvP, don't expect factions to save you.

 

[Voodoo990]

1. Remove Factions
2. Completely Overhaul Factions
3. Remove Faction Artifacts

Agree

Blacklist this thread and completely ignore any drivel that Coragin (and the 1 or 2 people like him) post. They do not understand PvP or factions and are trying to push their trammel based ideas onto a fel based PvP system.

Disagree

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

Agree



Disagree

If you think faction arties really are an issue in pvp, you are doomed to always get pwn'd.

 

[GWAR_LS]

Wow Nexus good points man. You sound like u know ur stuff. I used to play non faction chars now im forced too play factions.

And as for this not killing same faction people.
This will not work u will have guilds following other guilds around to their factions to stay out of conflict.

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

Wow Nexus good points man. You sound like u know ur stuff. I used to play non faction chars now im forced too play factions.

And as for this not killing same faction people.
This will not work u will have guilds following other guilds around to their factions to stay out of conflict.

I for one am tired of this "I am forced to play factions" crap. Imbuing offers you an alternative now, so there is not much room to complain.

FYI...faction items were brought into the game due to people not unlike yourself complaining about something broken needing fixed. But but but now you say the fix of the fix of the fix needs fixed? The problem in our nation now is the ideology that what we have is never enough or good enough...and your gripe reflects that. The solution is always more for me and less for you...that way it looks like I have more...comprende?