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Did you try using a non direct attack like using with high mods and GM alchemist some explosive potions and deadly poisons ?
There is a delayed effect and by the time the guard acts the potions should have landed on the target.......
Does thieving prompt guards intervention like a direct attack ?
Or can it go unnoticed at high levels of the skill ?
Why don't you try it and tell us instead of always asking everyone else to do the research for you.
DP alone would only work of the scripter has low stats. Typically dp will not kill someone but instead just take them to very low hp. But of course you'd likely be dead after inflicting it...
Exp pots only work if your character is red or for some very odd reason the scripter is flagged to you seeing as a very long time ago area spells and items do not hurt innocents unless you are a murderer.
Not every scripter you run into is on an easily killable character. Some actually have armor on and have decent stats.
If you get caught stealing obviously an npc will call guards on you.
But of course, why not try yourself since all you ever do is continually question and argue everything people tell you.
However! I find it is best not to kill the scripter. I find it is best to kill her/her mount since it's usually a lot easier to kill. It's so incredibly funny to watch what happens to the scripter after their pack-mount is dead. They run around and sometimes start spamming "all follow me."
Exp pots only work if your character is red or for some very odd reason the scripter is flagged to you seeing as a very long time ago area spells and items do not hurt innocents unless you are a murderer.
Not every scripter you run into is on an easily killable character. Some actually have armor on and have decent stats.
If you get caught stealing obviously an npc will call guards on you.
But of course, why not try yourself since all you ever do is continually question and argue everything people tell you.
However! I find it is best not to kill the scripter. I find it is best to kill her/her mount since it's usually a lot easier to kill. It's so incredibly funny to watch what happens to the scripter after their pack-mount is dead. They run around and sometimes start spamming "all follow me."
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Wow. How did i play this game for so long without knowing I could have a trash eating goat? It will be worth $14.01 to see that, I think.
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I was there two nights ago fighting some oranges, but couldn't attack the blue with them and my guildie got guardwhacked. I was on an archer and he was on a mage. When I came back with my mage, I did have to precast, but once in Heartwood I kept getting the message "You cannot cast that spell in town" or whatever it is every time I tried an offensive spell.
You in Tram or Fel?
Because clearly everyone else here can attack blues in Heartwood Fel. Hence the entire topic of killing scripters in Heartwood.
I've done it, that screen shot you quoted earlier shows it. And my excessive stealing from players there proves that it isn't Tram rule-set.
Sounds like you might be getting "Tram Ruleset" confused with "Guard zone"
Just a thought
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Sometimes I laugh at all the stupid things I know.
Yeah, that would make sense. heheSounds like you might be getting "Tram Ruleset" confused with "Guard zone"
Just a thought
CONGRADULATIONS EUROPA ON JOINING THE CLUB !!!!!!!
Aug 31 2009 just before server down.
spotted the operation in full effect.
the dude with the 5 packies had just pulled out and i had just scooped the 20k boards off the ground and ferried them off screen for hiding, the goat was there but he logged the toon with the goat when he noticed the wood 'gone'
so congrats on joining the few elite shards that have the factory !!
Aug 31 2009 just before server down.
spotted the operation in full effect.
the dude with the 5 packies had just pulled out and i had just scooped the 20k boards off the ground and ferried them off screen for hiding, the goat was there but he logged the toon with the goat when he noticed the wood 'gone'
so congrats on joining the few elite shards that have the factory !!
Has any one extended a courteous invitation to the residents of the thieves board with this problem?
Seems to me a concerted effort to deprive the bots of their tools would put a stop to this without breaking any rules?
Seems to me a concerted effort to deprive the bots of their tools would put a stop to this without breaking any rules?
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If Mythic would update the protocol to use session keys or the like, this would be less of a problem. Doing that would break UOA though, so they kinda have their hands tied there.
As long as UOA and bots work by sniffing & injecting packets, this sort of thing will be common.
As long as UOA and bots work by sniffing & injecting packets, this sort of thing will be common.
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I knew about the goat thing, didn't know scripters were using them.. how dastardly.
Wonder how long it is before these guys are driven off.
Wonder how long it is before these guys are driven off.
That dude was there like 4 days ago but I stole his boards (over 20k on the ground)CONGRADULATIONS EUROPA ON JOINING THE CLUB !!!!!!!
Aug 31 2009 just before server down.
spotted the operation in full effect.
the dude with the 5 packies had just pulled out and i had just scooped the 20k boards off the ground and ferried them off screen for hiding, the goat was there but he logged the toon with the goat when he noticed the wood 'gone'
so congrats on joining the few elite shards that have the factory !!
Can you toss explosion pots at them?
Did you say tools? What kind of self respecting thief would stoop to stealing the cheap tools? Not much profit there...go for the resources!!
And of course, even better would be to go for the runics on the bots
Erm...correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think the script/program being used in this case needs to manipulate the packets in order to work?
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My guess: it's the same person/company on a lot of different shards. Probably whoever it is owns a couple hundred accounts and has a few paid monkeys to keep an eye on them while the scripts run. Most likely in China. But yeah, this looks like a professional farming operation to me.
You can as long as either you are red or they are flagged. If you're blue or gray and they are blue, it wont work
That's what I thought would happen. There's like 7 Npcs standing here where I'm working in heart.Popps, I give you for your enlightment, a mostly monochromatic rendition of ATTEMPTED MURDER IN HEARTWOOD!!!!!!!!!
Enjoy!
(Regina survived unscathed, in case you were worried about her welfare.)
Not really. Heartwood IS a Tram ruleset with a guardzone, but it's more than that, It's a mixed bag of rules in Fel, where reds can't go, but you still see OJ's and can attack.Sounds like you might be getting "Tram Ruleset" confused with "Guard zone"
Just a thought
A blue can attack another blue in Fel, using many different methods but this isn't the case in Heartwood and since it's an actual city you can't use a lot of the offensive methods, but you can still get guardwhacked.
*rolles eyes*
If you can attack blues and steal from people it is NOT a tram ruleset...
That is correct, however REDS and FLAGGED players CANNOT enter Heartwood. So it may not be a "Tram Ruleset", but only Blues can enter!
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Have you everthought, that this is what some people enjoy doing? Whats made UO such fun for years is that you can do what ever you decide to do, its a wide open world. There are people that absolutely love the challenge of trying to do something.
One person might enjoy running around pvping and knowing exactly when to strike which macro key at the right time to react to a specific on screen event if a certian thing happens.
Another person who might not be as coordinated and have such quick reaction and well trained fingers, might love the challenge of thinking through the entire equation. That person loves the challenge of creating a formula that adapts and reacts, to the same onscreen events and certian things...
Now the first person sits mindlessly all day clicking F1 F2 to make last and target last. Another person sits for a few days finding a way to react to, again some onscreen event, some unknown variable, some change in a pattern. And, when finished they have had the fun of taking on a challenging situation and accomplished something that they have absolutely loved doing.
if %I = enjoyWhatIAmDoing then,
{
%I <> notHavingFun
}
elseif %I = someoneElseCrying then,
{
set %U goWorryAboutYourself
}
return
Well I'm sure we all knew that reds couldn't enter Heartwood, hence the existence of the sanctuary. Are we sure about the flagged not being able to enter though? Could have sworn I had my thief entering and exiting whilst gray.
But yes. Heartwood is fel in true. Just doesn't want reds.
Huh? EA restricted Trial accounts from repeating the repeatable quests. The Heartwood quests being a repeatable quest.
I posted the link to the big list of restrictions earlier in this thread.
And here it is.
http://www.uoherald.com/news/news.php?newsid=518
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No [young] tags among them, so I'd say it's more likely someone has been planning ahead.
I'll eat my hat if I'm wrong, but I bet it got missed because as non paying, non upgraded accts at the time of the publish these quests never made the radar and it never went through QA. I could be wrong.
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Well I do hope you are wrong. Because Heartwood quests were one of the big things we all wanted restricted on trial accounts. And if trial accounts are in fact doing them...not good. And the last thing we need are scripting trial accounts again.
And it would mean that the restrictions aren't acting as intended according to that link I posted.
And it would mean that the restrictions aren't acting as intended according to that link I posted.
Can't the [Young] status be lifted by the player renouncing to it ?
So, if if there is no [Young] tag it does not necessarily mean that it could not be a trial account.....
But when all of them have 1,000 gp, a candle and all that, it makes one wonder, doesn't it .......
One of my accounts that is almost three years old has a few characters on it that still have "young" status because the main purpose of the account is to hold onto a house.
I took one of those "young" characters that is actually at least two years old but still won't lose its young status for another 24 hours of play time to Heartwood on Legends tonight.
She got the dungeon warning screen when she entered Heartwood.
However, after that nothing else happened that seemed to treat her any differently from a character that isn't "young." As you'll see from the screen shots, she was able to accept a whole list of crafting quests. Unfortunately, she's very poor and doesn't have enough resources to complete any of the quests. Therefore, until I can gather some additional resources for her to use, I can't tell you if she can only do those quests once or not. Will try to follow up tomorrow and see what happens. However, for now, I can tell you that a "young" character can accept the Heartwood quests at least once.
Will try to buy her some stuff to finish a few of the quests and try to take them again and report back later on how it goes.
I took one of those "young" characters that is actually at least two years old but still won't lose its young status for another 24 hours of play time to Heartwood on Legends tonight.
She got the dungeon warning screen when she entered Heartwood.
However, after that nothing else happened that seemed to treat her any differently from a character that isn't "young." As you'll see from the screen shots, she was able to accept a whole list of crafting quests. Unfortunately, she's very poor and doesn't have enough resources to complete any of the quests. Therefore, until I can gather some additional resources for her to use, I can't tell you if she can only do those quests once or not. Will try to follow up tomorrow and see what happens. However, for now, I can tell you that a "young" character can accept the Heartwood quests at least once.
Will try to buy her some stuff to finish a few of the quests and try to take them again and report back later on how it goes.
Tina, being young or not doesn't make any difference. Being young shouldn't make any difference in how you can play the game. It's whether or not the account is a trial account.
Trial accounts are the ones that have restrictions that prevent them from repeating certain quests, owning houses, etc. Trial accounts are accounts that are not being payed for and are simply 14-day trials. After the 14 days are over you have to pay to continue playing. Or if you wish to own houses, etc, you have to pay.
A character on a payed account with young status should not have any restrictions at all.
Trial accounts are the ones that have restrictions that prevent them from repeating certain quests, owning houses, etc. Trial accounts are accounts that are not being payed for and are simply 14-day trials. After the 14 days are over you have to pay to continue playing. Or if you wish to own houses, etc, you have to pay.
A character on a payed account with young status should not have any restrictions at all.
I agree. Just wanted to squash any ideas or confusion certain people seemed to have that "young" characters couldn't do these quests.
I will still try to give them a try later today with purchased items and see if the quests can be repeated. Am not about to set up a trial account to test anything though. I have enough paid accounts already and am trying to close the darn things.
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A new account does not necessarily make it a trial account. I believe trial accounts all use a code starting FREE-UOKR-xxxx-xxxx during account creation... any other code used to create an account and its not a trial or at the very least not a kingdom reborn trial account.
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Good point.
Ah, okies. N/m then