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Rampant unattended scripting for Treasures of Tokuno
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i believe quite the opposite actually, i think that most people DO use 3rd party programs to benefit themselves, many people that post on stratics actually... also the people that are scripting/macroing to get tokuno minors would be stupid to do it afk, they are probably watching the screen while running the script which cannot be penalized, theres plenty of people out there doing this and do things like this quite often so they are smart about it... also if EA would stop caring about working on kingdom reborn which no one likes or plays and just worry about 2D, then they could get gms to be more activeKR died over a year ago. Its been obsolete.
I really hope people read the SA UA.
If you fail to do so and you are banned....you deserve it.
Most of us dont care to use 3rd party apps. Only those that wish to bypass/cheat.
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Nem
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When 2d goes, I go with my 5 accounts. I tried KR many times, hated the interface & looks. As far as no scripts, don't count on it. The script writers are far ahead of us, and like they say, where there is a will there is a way. If they can make some $$ of it, you know scripts will be there. Sad but so true
I agree 100 percent!
coming back to uo after a long break, maybe I am too relaxed to honor those embarressed posts about scripting and afk-tamers. I know I thought differently in the old days, but meanwhile I concentrate on my fun and not on how others "play" this game. I get my share while others get more, but this is nothing I care about any longer.
When 2d goes, I go with my 5 accounts. I tried KR many times, hated the interface & looks. As far as no scripts, don't count on it. The script writers are far ahead of us, and like they say, where there is a will there is a way. If they can make some $$ of it, you know scripts will be there
KR is dead! If 2d goes KR will not be replacing it! Why is everyone focusing on a dead client that will be completely gone when SA gets introduced?!
SA will be the next client and no one has even tried it yet. The most we know are from what we see in screen shots of an unfinished product.
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Gladius
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If you can't lick em join em' 
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guum
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And what would you suggest that I do instead in a trammel ruleset when a player comes along and is clearly behaving like a jerk? Sit there and take it? Let them run me off? A tamer with no real offensive weapons other than a greater will always get beaten to a kill by an archer, unless the mob spawns right on top of the greater. If someone is a pr**k to me, then I am going to fight back, sorry about that. I realize there's a lot of anti-tamer hate around here, but come on.
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guum
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Nope. They don't need my permission, and I don't expect them to ask it. But it is nice when people at least behave like people and show a little courtesy to each other, in game or in life -- something I'd bet that you don't do much, judging from your posts.
Yes the ToT event definatly brings out the ****ers but, being a dexer is so much easier than being a tamer in these events and if you dont have a dexer i feel a little sorry for you but only a little. There are THOUSANDS of areas to hunt and kill critters for the ToT event.
Go out explore an have fun.
thats what its all about.
Go out explore an have fun.
thats what its all about.
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UOKaiser
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I have to disagree a little bit. I tried my sampire,tried mage spellweaver necro, and tamer necro mage. I have to say if am just gonna kill 1 or a few at at a time i'll take sampire but this event is more about numbers so I rather take my mage with ev,wither,animate dead, field spells and essence of wind or my tamer-necro with wither,animate dead,field spells and dragon to send at stronger monsters while I run around with wither and wraith killing all the small critters.
TBH all ya need to do is go into FDD with ya GD hit hidding and bugger off for the day to the beach then come home feed ya GD and bank your 40-50 minors. Its that stupid that people can get away with being AFK LEGALLY doing nothing, not scripting NOTHING just sat there hidden while there GD trains up and keeps himself alive for 12 hours straight before even getting to unhappy.
just my 2 cent but it seems to be the way forwards
just my 2 cent but it seems to be the way forwards
kelmo
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I am going to get back to you in a moment...
As far as the unattendeds that has been happening since the first ToT event.... it happens with every event like it too...
Personally if you see someone's "unattended" pet working a spawn best thing to do is to lead the thing away with a monster let the pet attack it then you see if you can't get the monster to "switch" targets to you and lure the pet away....
Or you could actually stand under said pet and target things much faster than the pet... since the pet actually won't "seek out" things to attack it waits for the monsters to attack it..... so if your keeping all the spawn busy with you then the pet will get nothing.
Same with unattended archers and dexers.
Personally if you see someone's "unattended" pet working a spawn best thing to do is to lead the thing away with a monster let the pet attack it then you see if you can't get the monster to "switch" targets to you and lure the pet away....
Or you could actually stand under said pet and target things much faster than the pet... since the pet actually won't "seek out" things to attack it waits for the monsters to attack it..... so if your keeping all the spawn busy with you then the pet will get nothing.
Same with unattended archers and dexers.
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Cloak&Dagger
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wtf? doing that is ILLEGAL there is no way to be afk legally, doing ANYTHING while being afk is considered UNATTENDED MACROING, clear enough? The problem is not "scripting" alone, it is afk people, on that note anyone who would risk uming mind as well be scripting, bos works in fan dancer right? *shrugs* just pointing it out is all.
I suggest you continue to do what you are doing till you get banned so that you can post on here about it. When that happens me and the offending individuals will sail on your river of tears holds spilling over with loot.
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kantoska
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I dont understand how the AFK tamers are getting any drops at all.... it was my understanding that the pet had to be green to you for you to get any drops, and if I leave my dragon alone for more than 5 minutes he will go blue on me. Maybe I just misunderstood how it works, but if that isnt the case maybe that would be a quick way to fix it?
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I remember the changes were for the 10th Anniversary drops in the anti-virtue dungeons, but I don't remember such changes being in effect for ToT.
I remember the changes were for the 10th Anniversary drops in the anti-virtue dungeons, but I don't remember such changes being in effect for ToT.
Yes SA has been tried, it is what our Beta testers are playing on. So don't say no one has even tried it yet. (As I said, if 2D goes & No other replacement is close to it, then yes I would close accounts. I am not going to have to relearn a total different way of playing a game after playing it for 9 yrs one way. SA from the feedback I have heard is really nice, yes a couple of quirks but the interface is much like 2D & with that I could live with playing. But to be only able to play UO in any type of environment like KR was I would not.)
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Cloak&Dagger
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If you are not guilded this does not happen...other wise yes, if the pet is not green you should not get any drops, on that note is where the scripters come in *"all guard" hide*
Isn't anyone that's said anything other than the fact that they're in the beta in violation of the NDA? Hmmm.....
The only people who should be saying what SA is actually like is the Devs. Beta testers may only say 'I am a beta tester'.
On Topic. If people are afk and hidden with pets, aren't the pets making a loyalty check? They should be losing loyalty if they can't see their owners.
On Topic. If people are afk and hidden with pets, aren't the pets making a loyalty check? They should be losing loyalty if they can't see their owners.
So parking a bonded pack horse, trained well, at an orc spawn is now ok?
Yes it killed orcs and never got hurt. No owner in sight.
Tried for 2 hours on LS to get one tot, lol! Some actually there campers never budged. I so understand why LS is empty now. Whoa do I.
Yes it killed orcs and never got hurt. No owner in sight.
Tried for 2 hours on LS to get one tot, lol! Some actually there campers never budged. I so understand why LS is empty now. Whoa do I.
Theres someone on chesapeake doing it right now. They are hidden and the dragon is killing the elementals. I was there for about ten minutes killing the earth elementals while the dragon just stood there and no one ever came out of hiding. Very sad. 
To the tamers who are "hiding attended":
Why are you bothering?
Unless you're pinging 500ms, you should be in no real danger.
100% LRC + semi-decent Magery score + half-decent untrained pet = immortality against everything except bosses and certain paragons.
Stand directly on your pet at all times, pull an Invis if you do get targeted. There's no real point in sitting there doing nothing when you can be forcing your pets to attack as early and as often as possible.
Certainly don't complain if someone runs up and starts killing "your" spawn, especially if 1) you aren't even visible on the screen 2) you aren't actively giving your pet orders to kill the stuff.
There's only one bonus to using Hiding, and that's that it doesn't wear off. It's pointless to do it while attended, especially if you only have eg. 14 skill...
Even if my pet was in sight of me overnight, I'd expect it to be wild if I were to come back to it in the morning. Don't really care to test that out.
But if it was out of sight of it's owner overnight... It'd go wild for sure, I reckon.
Why are you bothering?
Unless you're pinging 500ms, you should be in no real danger.
100% LRC + semi-decent Magery score + half-decent untrained pet = immortality against everything except bosses and certain paragons.
Stand directly on your pet at all times, pull an Invis if you do get targeted. There's no real point in sitting there doing nothing when you can be forcing your pets to attack as early and as often as possible.
Certainly don't complain if someone runs up and starts killing "your" spawn, especially if 1) you aren't even visible on the screen 2) you aren't actively giving your pet orders to kill the stuff.
There's only one bonus to using Hiding, and that's that it doesn't wear off. It's pointless to do it while attended, especially if you only have eg. 14 skill...
Pets lose happiness rather quickly when out of sight of their owners (hiding doesn't affect this, but walls do).
Even if my pet was in sight of me overnight, I'd expect it to be wild if I were to come back to it in the morning. Don't really care to test that out.
But if it was out of sight of it's owner overnight... It'd go wild for sure, I reckon.
It is possible to have a pet turn perma-green.
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UOKaiser
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Hiding while attended is not wrong. Thats telling people why drink potions when you can use bandaid or why run when you can stand and die like a man or why use magic when you can use a bow. Hell theres a whole ninja skill that basicaly is needs hiding and stealth to use. Why use invis when you can run away and come back lol.
Immortality Thats a bit pushing it don't you think? Theres alot more creatures that will rip any tamer to shreads if they get targeted.To name some ninjas,succubis,champ spawn area,tsuki wolves,hyru,lesser hyru,2 fan dancers,revenant,oni,etc.. And some of them if you hide they reveal you not to mention ninjas come out of nowhere.Just immortality is a bit pushing it. You will need protection on alot of the time to make sure you don't get swamped. And thats with legendary mage and trained pet. Almost Everyone has 100% lrc if they go the spellcaster route. Most likely a low ressit luck suit.
I think it be easier to park a dexter there and close your eyes. But I only have a comment at that part it's just a bit misleading with immortality when a tamer without a pet is pretty much fodder once targeted.
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CatLord
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Many of the players will script and macro ToT...
This challenge is made of three parts.
1- find them and send report with name/guild.
2- call gm and get them banned.
3- wait until the 18th August so they dont show up at uo.com.
(we'll check their previous existance... and do remember that even the shadows can be watched...)
Rewards:
Player banning the most #... Stat Scroll +25 and 120 Chivalry PS.
Second player... 3 Major ToT Artefact.
Third... 1 Major ToT Artefact.
Safe Hunting!
http://www.uoforums.com/general-discussion-gri/61431-tot-shadow-event.html
This morning many of the Catskill players woke up to a blank UO screen and less Minors than expected... some even got 72hour vacations... with all this Sun, I bet it was welcomed...
"Uss Baat'leb orn elgg dos jal!!!"
This challenge is made of three parts.
1- find them and send report with name/guild.
2- call gm and get them banned.
3- wait until the 18th August so they dont show up at uo.com.
(we'll check their previous existance... and do remember that even the shadows can be watched...)
Rewards:
Player banning the most #... Stat Scroll +25 and 120 Chivalry PS.
Second player... 3 Major ToT Artefact.
Third... 1 Major ToT Artefact.
Safe Hunting!
http://www.uoforums.com/general-discussion-gri/61431-tot-shadow-event.html
This morning many of the Catskill players woke up to a blank UO screen and less Minors than expected... some even got 72hour vacations... with all this Sun, I bet it was welcomed...
"Uss Baat'leb orn elgg dos jal!!!"
Which is more practical - ordering your pets to attack monsters, or waiting anywhere up to an extra 10s for the monster to decide to attack the pet, then maybe the same again for the pet to decide to reciprocate?
I'm not saying staying hidden all the time while attended is "illegal", if that's what you're implying. But I can see no good reason to do it when there are far faster ways to get things done. Potions vs bandages is not the same thing as sitting on your backside vs actually getting points at a decent rate.
There is no advantage to staying hidden all the time if you are constantly attended. If your pet can keep itself alive without your help, then you're obviously not in a risky location. Yes, granted, there are times when simply standing on your pet is not enough to stay alive, but against nearly everything you listed (except perhaps Succubi with their annoying area attacks), it is - and that's assuming you're talking about fighting, say, five or six at a time. Two or three Oni, for example, is just a joke when you've got a decent meat shield with you - sure, you might not kill 'em as fast as a non-tamer can, but you certainly shouldn't expect to take damage (let alone get killed).
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Beer_Cayse
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Silly me ... I am about to ask a stupid question.
And this is surprising you ... why? You and dozens of others here had to suspect this would happen. Heck, EA's track record on throttling this activity is somewhat less than stellar.
Do the best you can under the circumstances and let us hope *someone* can get rid of these abusers soon.
And this is surprising you ... why? You and dozens of others here had to suspect this would happen. Heck, EA's track record on throttling this activity is somewhat less than stellar.
Do the best you can under the circumstances and let us hope *someone* can get rid of these abusers soon.
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UOKaiser
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It's not the pet thats the worry it can take care of it's own even against multiple of those that I listed. But if lets say youre standing in a oni spawning area for some reason 80% of the time they will target you first. Now even if you get a all kill to the pet that oni will not be distracted from you. While the pet hit's it that oni gonna be mana dumping on you and you'll be on foot ,low dex and most likely than not a paralize here a mana drain there is just enough to say oooo.
Most trammel player run around without ressit or trap boxes or anything pvp related so there defenses against status effect spells are nil.
I'ts only when those creatures target you first before your pet. See the pet can handle it self but once your on the enemies sight as soon as they spawn well the tamer will be dead at least 30 times out of a 100 spawns. Now once youre dead in areas like fan dojo or any underground spot then you gonna have to make a long trek back and look for some healer as you might not ecounter friendly players and by the time you get back that spawn spot will be taken by another person which unless they are polite and choose to share in such a event month you most likely have to find another spot which will be difficult to do as the best spots will be camped heavy on populated shards by unattended, attended or whatever.
By staying hidden I presume they avoid all that headache and can relax and farm till they get tired.
I've simply being hitting up champ spawn but if I can't get that invis of without being revealed am gonna be dead. My sampire on the other hand can just bash the hell of those monsters that 3 hit kill my tamer. So if they have hiding might as well use that 100-120 skills for something.
Just because some might be unattended is no reason to condem everyone.
Remmember the Bos nerf anybody and finaly we received it back because a few bad apples.
I never have problem with unattended players though. Hell I wouldn't even notice I just go on my business. My time is to precious to waste monitoring other players ativities I do have troubles with attended players who enjoy griefting cursing acting like if there in fellucia, luring, stealing kills, trying to scam you, no morals,no ethics,no honor,etc.
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Connor_Graham
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I will say that the 3rd time was a charm. The unattended dragon I reported 3 days in a row is gone now.
1 down 94,857,855 to go....
1 down 94,857,855 to go....
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Cloak&Dagger
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So it would hurt them to instead of having hiding have oh say, resists? or maybe peace? yea a little peace all kill solves all problems, or peace invis. there are a lot of ways to play that template, I don't care if they hide or not, and honestly I don't think bomb cares, he started out asking why do it, I have to agree with that question, why do it? It is boring as hell to sit there and not interact with the game....I admit to hiding something well not really i just invis, to do things like grab a drink or use the restroom ya know things come up that will be quick and you don't feel bad getting up to just use the rest room or w/e it is. Anyway I just found your argument sort of lacking =\ but I don't personally care if people hide or not how they play is up to them lol.
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UOKaiser
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Thats the thing the answer to why do it? Is a simple answer cause they can and they want to. They trained it they use it. If they don't want to do it and be a peace tamer or necro tamer or spellweaver tamer then they will do that. As long as there not messing with someone else gameplay then to each there own. If they enjoy doing something and I don't like doing it that way then the solution is they do what they enjoy and I don't do it the way they do it.Cloak‡1288377 said:
So thats the real answer to Why do it? Cause they are allowed and they want to.
Well, I'm still not sure what the fuss is about. I know I love getting that message that an artifact has been bestowed upon me, I think I do the ToT only because of that! LOL I have tomarties coming out of my wazzoo, and nothing to trade them in for, because I have loads of majors, too. (sucks there aren't any major dyes at all anymore)
At the end of the day, these items are no longer worth anything anymore, I guess I'm just after the mempo now.
At the end of the day, these items are no longer worth anything anymore, I guess I'm just after the mempo now.
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Cloak&Dagger
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Well like I said I don't care if they do or not, to each their own. How they want to play is up to them and that's fine, I only really chimed in because it seemed like the argument was going to be argued based on two completely different things, One being "why they do it" and the other being "they are not cheating just because they do it". There was one point bomb had that I didn't notice when I first posted and I sort of agree with, if you are going to hide all the time then don't be all uppity when someone kills what is there, if someone comes on screen unhide, say hello, be friendly ya know. If you don't and they start killing then unhide and let them know you are there, if that does not resolve it then well they are less than genuine and you can deal with it how you want.
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Cloak&Dagger
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Meh...I don't see the fuss either, they are going to script there anyway, just because ToT is on it seems people are complaining more than usual is allWell, I'm still not sure what the fuss is about. I know I love getting that message that an artifact has been bestowed upon me, I think I do the ToT only because of that! LOL I have tomarties coming out of my wazzoo, and nothing to trade them in for, because I have loads of majors, too. (sucks there aren't any major dyes at all anymore)
At the end of the day, these items are no longer worth anything anymore, I guess I'm just after the mempo now.
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UOKaiser
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Yea I was commenting on the why they do it? which meant why hide? The other part if there unattanded or not doesn't interest me I never notice and don't bother with it. I just go on my business. Wouldn't know if they are or not. If I see a spawn spot taken I move on till I find a sutable one in any situation.Cloak‡1288386 said:
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Cloak&Dagger
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Sometimes there are none that are not taken, but in cases like that I try to hunt with who ever is the most pleasant person around =\ if not I just go about my business, nothing in uo is worth the frustration of dealing with unpleasant people.
I was hunting on Cats in the Dojo yesterday and a GM sent me a message "where did you get that weap" I replied and he said sorry about the interruption and have a good day basically. I would assume he was looking for unattended people macroing. So they must be looking. I seen a bunch of people run by but no one stopped to see if i was there so didn't seem like i was paged on but more like a random check.
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UOKaiser
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Nah you got paged on. One of those just had the page button ready. They are page griefters. Those are the guys that love to tie up the ques. They page on everyone they see and see who they can get pushed out. They should really have a record on who false pages too much and just ban them for it.
This is probably the wisest answer in this thread. Thanks for reminding me!!
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CatLord
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You can still get your share while fighting the Scripters... two in one.
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CatLord
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I will say that the 3rd time was a charm. The unattended dragon I reported 3 days in a row is gone now.
1 down 94,857,855 to go....
94,857,853... I got two last night.
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CatLord
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If your name is Champ... sorry about that.
It's my understanding that GMs are specifically disallowed from searching for illegal play on their own. You can do much as you like, so long as you don't get paged on or attract the attention of the devs themselves, you're unlikely to run into trouble.
Of course, that's just my understanding.
If it's a tie for distance between you and your pet, then it will target the pet. This is assuming you're slow enough on the "all kill" command that the monster has time to select a target for itself.
Therefore, so long as you stand directly on your pet - and move where ever it moves - you will never be targeted by a bored monster. This can be made a lot easier by telling your pet to "follow" you as soon as it kills it's last target. In this way when the next monster turns up, the pet won't run off after it when targeted - you can wait until the monster reaches you, then tell your pet to attack (meaning it stays still the whole while).
If you get hit with some sort of area attack, this will cause you to flag against the creature that damaged you, and more often then not this will cause it to switch targets to you. However, the Oni has no such ability. Very few creatures do.
Keep it in mind next time you take your tamer out. You'll find things far easier.
Aside from the ghosts of Magincia I mentioned before (they seem to have much more interest in attacking players then pets), there are two other exceptions - Changelings (including the Travesty) and Paragons. Changelings constantly choose new targets amongst nearby players, while Paragons have such a high aggression stat that they'll likely switch targets if you so much as move. Ancient Wyrms also have massive aggression, but it's very seldom that they'll actually change targets this way (though they can and will do it).
For some reason there's this rumour around that Intelligence has something to do with it, but I assure you - distance is everything.
I've been doing tons of spawns with my tamer. The only things that have been frequently killing me are Seraldo himself, and on two occasions since ToT started, I must confess, my own dragon - happens to all tamers sooner or later.
Even when the spawn levels, it's pretty easy to simply outpace everything even on foot (especially if you're paying attention to the candles and make sure you aren't in the thick of things when it happens).
I suspect your sampire should be capable of much faster kills then my dragon, however. I've seen a necro-tamer running around Oceania that's absolutely devastating.
Of course, that's just my understanding.
100% of the time, an enemy creature will target whatever targets it - or, if nothing targets it, it'll go for whatever's closest.
If it's a tie for distance between you and your pet, then it will target the pet. This is assuming you're slow enough on the "all kill" command that the monster has time to select a target for itself.
Therefore, so long as you stand directly on your pet - and move where ever it moves - you will never be targeted by a bored monster. This can be made a lot easier by telling your pet to "follow" you as soon as it kills it's last target. In this way when the next monster turns up, the pet won't run off after it when targeted - you can wait until the monster reaches you, then tell your pet to attack (meaning it stays still the whole while).
If you get hit with some sort of area attack, this will cause you to flag against the creature that damaged you, and more often then not this will cause it to switch targets to you. However, the Oni has no such ability. Very few creatures do.
Keep it in mind next time you take your tamer out. You'll find things far easier.
Aside from the ghosts of Magincia I mentioned before (they seem to have much more interest in attacking players then pets), there are two other exceptions - Changelings (including the Travesty) and Paragons. Changelings constantly choose new targets amongst nearby players, while Paragons have such a high aggression stat that they'll likely switch targets if you so much as move. Ancient Wyrms also have massive aggression, but it's very seldom that they'll actually change targets this way (though they can and will do it).
For some reason there's this rumour around that Intelligence has something to do with it, but I assure you - distance is everything.
I've been doing tons of spawns with my tamer. The only things that have been frequently killing me are Seraldo himself, and on two occasions since ToT started, I must confess, my own dragon - happens to all tamers sooner or later.
Even when the spawn levels, it's pretty easy to simply outpace everything even on foot (especially if you're paying attention to the candles and make sure you aren't in the thick of things when it happens).
I suspect your sampire should be capable of much faster kills then my dragon, however. I've seen a necro-tamer running around Oceania that's absolutely devastating.
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Prince Caspian
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*crawls out of the rubble and looks around*
Hm. We have this discussion every ToT, ya know? Not saying it's not valid, but just something I noticed.
Yeah, of course we have scripters for this event. We have people who will set up the macro, get up and go off to Six Flags Over Bedlam for the weekend, and come back with a pack full of arties.
Yeah, it's cheating. But I'm so jaded at this point I just accept it. EA obviously doesn't care, they just ignore the problem. This forums have seen posts that could wrap around Manhattan twice complaining about unattended macroing, and ever since Punkbuster went kablooey, EA won't even acknowledge the issue.
For me, there's not much sting on this macroing, honestly. All I want is a single set of the minor and major Tokuno arties. And I'm almost there... so if the schmuck next to me gets 1,000 Gloves of the Sun for camping out at Beetlescape while he's off eating paste and sniffing his tie, big whoop.
I'm just trying to complete my own collection, not get rich. Sorry to sound so jaded, but I just am thoroughly convinced that we can shout until we are Chaos Blue in the face about the most blatant macroing, but EA will do nothing.
Hm. We have this discussion every ToT, ya know? Not saying it's not valid, but just something I noticed.
Yeah, of course we have scripters for this event. We have people who will set up the macro, get up and go off to Six Flags Over Bedlam for the weekend, and come back with a pack full of arties.
Yeah, it's cheating. But I'm so jaded at this point I just accept it. EA obviously doesn't care, they just ignore the problem. This forums have seen posts that could wrap around Manhattan twice complaining about unattended macroing, and ever since Punkbuster went kablooey, EA won't even acknowledge the issue.
For me, there's not much sting on this macroing, honestly. All I want is a single set of the minor and major Tokuno arties. And I'm almost there... so if the schmuck next to me gets 1,000 Gloves of the Sun for camping out at Beetlescape while he's off eating paste and sniffing his tie, big whoop.
I'm just trying to complete my own collection, not get rich. Sorry to sound so jaded, but I just am thoroughly convinced that we can shout until we are Chaos Blue in the face about the most blatant macroing, but EA will do nothing.
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H2O
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It's nice watching the auto attacking,run fast as hell scripts that target deamons as soon as they spawn and beat ev's to it EVERY time. It's 2 doing it now on drachenfels in 2nd level of dojo along with 2 chars that has been casting ev's for over 24 hours now minus shard daily down time. It is more and more of these scripters showing up daily and a mass ban would be nice but with the GM staff we have it is no way that will happen.