Rampant unattended scripting for Treasures of Tokuno

[CatLord]

The Drachs Gms usually answer really FAST... enjoy the fast service.

(How do I know?)

 

[Lynk]

The Drachs Gms usually answer really FAST... enjoy the fast service.

(How do I know?)

In truth you have no way of knowing anything. GM's never tell you what they are doing/have done. Those people could have just logged off.

Chances are you are just going around paging on every person because you're not even good enough at PvM to kill with competition around.

 

[the 4th man]

lol, who do you think you are that people need to ask your permission to work spawn? If I decide to PvM over PvP I will equip my char with the gear to kill one specific monster in mind. If someone else is there, it's not going to stop me.

Well it's that kind of attitude that has allowed UO to go to the ingrates.
There is a thing in life called common courtesy. People that look at life the way you do have trashed the game and society. People behave alot in game as they do in real life.

I know you could careless....like to see that attitude in a bar.

 

[H2O]

The Drachs Gms usually answer really FAST... enjoy the fast service.

(How do I know?)

Fast and GM's does not belong in same sentence. I don't know what "connections" you have with the GM's but my dealings with them is ALWAYS slow and very poor but then again I am not paging about 500 gold falling under my house and I can not get to it.

 

[Prince Caspian]

Edited.

 

[CatLord]

you know about the 500 gold hum...

 

[Lynk]

Well it's that kind of attitude that has allowed UO to go to the ingrates.
There is a thing in life called common courtesy. People that look at life the way you do have trashed the game and society. People behave alot in game as they do in real life.

I know you could careless....like to see that attitude in a bar.

Sorry kiddo, trammel is what allowed this to happen. If there was no trammel you could just kill the person who was misbehaving. You all want to have your precious safe hunting, this is the price of it.

It makes me laugh when people like you say "I'd like to see that attitude in a bar", it's just a less direct way of saying "I want to beat you up IRL b/c you be stealin my pixels!"

Lets face the honest, brutal truth. You wouldn't do anything IRL just like you wouldn't do anything in a game even it it was a fel ruleset. You're weak, you're insignificant, and you can't phase me.

 

[CatLord]

Unless you meet one of my old guildmates... that ran for the "worlds strongest man"...

He can scare his own shadow...

*Raises a Mug to Masked Moron*

Before i get in trouble, that was his character name...

 

[Harb]

Abolishing 2D won't solve anything and make even more people leave. All it would take is 1 GM per shard full time. That's all that we need.

The "client" itself won't stop anything, as the old wise man said, "you can't code behavior." Additional code may, and appears that it will, be included as detection and possibly as an action mechanism, but would seem only destined at this time for the SA client. We'll have to see from there, and who knows, the roll out may also include 2D, it's not the kind of thing best discussed in advance.

Agreed on 2D. Our GM staffing is very difficult to assess from afar. It seems that we have one, possibly full time, in the US unless Mythic prioritizes him toward a different product for brief periods (such as a day or a weekend). Agreed we are understaffed, but I don't how GMlayer "ratios" vary bewteen EA and Mythic products. If dev or Mythic is serious about our gaming environment, a "special project" tasker for a GM, such as dedicating one to hammer dupes until resolved, one to prevent unattended play for an item rollout such as we're now seeing, or one to action unattended camping at the Luna burn sites, IMO, is not too much to ask. But again, I don't know personnel restraints.

...When all's said and done, cheaters will find a way to cheat, no matter what client, what game or what bunch of devs crack down how hard. There isn't a game out there that doesn't have it's share of saaad people who can't play any game, including real life, honestly...

Well said.

Personally, I'm way more annoyed with people acting like jerks during ToT than scripters...

Also well said, but the Tram rules set, required for the game to survive, brought with it this annoying "side effect." In all events such as this, there are folks who camp less dangerous spots unattended and roll up rewards, EA has chosen not to address in the past and seem to continue the same course of action today. Then there are the folks who script per the OPs original observations. EA can address both, but chooses not to, I can only assume staffing again or concerns of subscription impact, the latter of which got us in trouble early on and continues through today. As for the jerks, well, "you can't code behavior."

lol, who do you think you are that people need to ask your permission to work spawn? If I decide to PvM over PvP I will equip my char with the gear to kill one specific monster in mind. If someone else is there, it's not going to stop me.

Thank you for your continued trolling and consistent insight into character and gaming habits.

 

[JoO]

I wonder how many of the people who author and post in these threads are just angry because top down programming is playing the game better than them. Im gona go hide from all the worlds strongest men, cage fighters and eleet bar room brawlers before you all come for my pixels.

 

[Gowron]

5 letters for the naysayers...P-F-F-F-T.

At least those that connot legitimately play KR (hardware, slow PC, etc.) have an excuse...all the rest...well, you must cheat IMO. Why not switch? What do you have to lose?

Not quite true. I tried KR, and found it to be such a drastic change from the 2D user interface, that I just don't desire to relearn the new methods of doing things. I was really unimpressed with it within the first 10 minutes.

While I respect other folks' desires to use it, it's just my personal preference for 2D and playing the way I used to.

 

[ElRay]

Well it's that kind of attitude that has allowed UO to go to the ingrates.

Actually, that was Trammel that did that.

 

[Connor_Graham]

Actually, that was Trammel that did that.

Which was brought about because of the rampant PK griefing *******s.

 

[ElRay]

Which was brought about because of the rampant PK griefing *******s.

HARDLY ANYONE BUT GODLY PKERS rampantly pked when permanent stat loss was introduced.......memory loss?

 

[Dermott of LS]

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Let's see we've moved from client wars to facet wars, and I'm pretty sure that the template hate is in here for the trifecta!

 

[ElRay]

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Let's see we've moved from client wars to facet wars, and I'm pretty sure that the template hate is in here for the trifecta!

Haha true true....although,of course it wouldn't be complete without people stating the obvious.............

 

[Cloak&Dagger]

Harb I am sorry to disagree with you, but for one the 2d client is a plague, it can not be policed so it is not, which was my point, I think it was in this thread that I said they should have just redone the 2d client, it is the "current" client that is the problem, not the graphics or the UI but the clients old coding and inability. Also those who are more able to program is most likely not even 1pct of the "cheating" population, so 99pct of cheating would be gone, well maybe more like 50pct, I am being modest with the 50pct only because if anyone in a pvp guild is able to cheat then they will most likely share it with their guild mates only.

And we are staffed to 1 gm per shard, I never said all the gms don't handle all the shards I only stated that we do in fact have 1 gm per shard, I have paged on the same shard 5 times in a row and gotten 5 different gms, while my wife and a friend pages at the same times and got different gms as well, there is x number of gms to x number of shards but they all receive the pages from every shard, how they handle it from their I can not say I only commented on the number of gms somewhere around 30 gms I think is what they have. The gms are not allowed to go around just randomly checking on this or that, and camping is not really against the rules at all, sure you can speculate that they are scripting or w/e but in luna the chances are high that they could have just gone afk and players running around have refreshed their connection. Hammers would require the gm staff to go through everything every player has. Duping should be handled with in the code, not by the gms it is not a task that is with in their ability.

As already mentioned there is no "real" stopping any of this, people will always do as they see fit rules do not prohibit people from doing what they want, But there are measures to lesson these things, Such as fixing the 2d client, or getting rid of it, I personally don't care which they do I can live with playing in kr/sa/2d/3d/whatever client they throw at me, sure there is a learning curve but it would not prohibit me from playing the game just because it looks different, seriously people the game remains the same despite the look of it and a few keys being different (tho this is all very annoying >.< but hey I wouldn't quit over it) Also re-prioritizing the gm responses might help also, like pages for scripters/cheaters should be first? I don't know the current priorities of the gm staff so I can't say if its not like this already, also banning people who page to much and tie up the queue, this should never lead to a perma ban but maybe 24 hours each time they go over board with the paging, cuase to many pages is a problem (I guess they could just add 30 or more staff members but again don't care how they handle it they need to get faster responses)

 

[Lynk]

Thank you for your continued trolling and consistent insight into character and gaming habits.

So when I post my thoughts and opinions I'm trolling, but when you do it it's not?

Interesting, but I assure you that my opinions represent a very large portion of the player base.

You and your trammelite friends wanted to hunt in safety without any fear of being attacked - so you have it. You also have instanced corpses.

Now stop crying and play the ****ing game you little whiners.

 

[hawkeye_pike]

The "client" itself won't stop anything, as the old wise man said, "you can't code behavior." Additional code may, and appears that it will, be included as detection and possibly as an action mechanism, but would seem only destined at this time for the SA client.

I think that the right code can solve a lot of the scripting problems. As I posted elsewhere: People will automate anything that can be automated. The point is that the spawn is so predictable and static that automation is easily possible in the first place. Spawn should be random and unpredictable. Spawn should move. Creatures should not always spawn in the same place endlessly. If many of the lower creatures are slain, maybe a few stronger ones should join in to support them (it works with Champion Spawns, doesn't it?! I've never seen anyone scripting a Champ Spawn).

Only a more dynamic game would be able to abolish afk farming and scripting.

 

[Farsight]

Or contrariwise, if many of the low end creatures are killed, their friends get the clue and run away. For example, if 10 fan dancers are killed in 5 minutes (easily enough accomplished) then that fan dancer spawn moves down the hallway to a far enough away spot that the potential scriptor can't see it, but an attended player can.

 

[Baskum]

Yep,

I remember the last 2 TOT's and a certain mine with Dull Copper Eles & Earth Eles. Well that's the hotspot again. Unattended pet raising hell with no owner to be found. I went and tried to hail the person with the big bad dragon but I got zero response.

For those who paged and were ignored thanks for saving me the time. I bet if I go there today that Dragon will probably still be there making a mess with no master to obey. Just won't bother a GM because they won't lift a finger to do anything about it.

Gotta admit though, seeing LOTS of people in-game.

 

[Cloak&Dagger]

For those who paged and were ignored thanks for saving me the time. I bet if I go there today that Dragon will probably still be there making a mess with no master to obey. Just won't bother a GM because they won't lift a finger to do anything about it.

The Rampant assuming that the GMs do not do their job is really starting to get ridiculous, maybe if everyone in the game wasn't paging on anyone who they passed by or passed by them the GMs would not have such a hard time with finding real problems. Let me see how you and 20 other people handle thousands of pages a day, sometimes about the same person who they find to NOT be afk, ever think of that? Perhaps the person is just really rude and does not want to talk to you, Maybe all the people you have paged on in the past were not doing anything wrong so the gms now ignore you.....O.K. Slightly sorry to everyone about that little rant but it is sort of tiring that people complain so much, and not even just about bugs or cheaters but to assume you know what is going on at mythic or how the gm staff is handling things is just absurd and should be stopped. So just because the people you page on are not being banned you assume nothing is being done? The cheating is rampant and not so easy to just fix as you all would like to think it is, also not everyone you come across is a cheater, give players a break, give gms a break, give the developers a break, relax and enjoy the game. For most of you the cheaters are not ruining the game play for you, you MIGHT be able to complain about the ^*(% economy and that is something I will give all of you, the economy is jacked, but its because of greed and because MOST players allow it to be that way, so other than that, I doubt any of you have ever been impacted by a cheater. Just stop complaining about things you don't know about, i.e. GMs and developers dedication to the game (even tho you could be right it is speculation and gives the game a very foul feeling when you all make assumptions.) Just play the game.

 

[Bomb Bloke]

It occurs to me that pets with no masters could be rather easily derailed via the Reveal spell.

 

[Cloak&Dagger]

It occurs to me that pets with no masters could be rather easily derailed via the Reveal spell.

You cant reveal in tram? Unless you are suggesting something else happens when you cast the spell around a pet. (might be able to detect hidden, I know you can on guild mates not sure on other people tho)