guild [DUPE]

[FionanPac]

Does anyone else feel that Baron and his guild [DUPE] are pretty much screwing up the pvp on Pacific? I guess I don't understand the fun they get out of speed hacking and god knows what else. I just wanted to see what everyone else thought about these wazzooozzzz.

 

[Balian of Asgard]

One might figure that stealing candy from a baby over and over again, may be fun if said one is a juvenile
But to me, its just a plain waste of ****ing time, when 2 or more of them show up, what is the point to keep playing, Id rather go pull some weeds out of my front yard than get speedhacked to death. So theres part of an answer, I would rather quit than play UO when POS cheaters "create food" etc. are out and about. I zigged and you zagged, you tracked me, overtook me even though I never stopped full flight from you in wolf form, you stepped on my heels and killed me

>>>>>>>>>>>> YOU WIN UO!!!!!!!!!!!!

Its kinda like that Riddick movie where the big interstellar bad guys assimilate all the planets they go to. These guys xshard,Hack and kill the pvp action, own the spawns, then create another clone character on another shard to do the same thing all over again. Wow, thats pretty amazing. I think a team of professionally trained Lab monkeys could do the same thing.

>>>>>>>>>>>>Wait maybe thats what these people are??????????

 

[Velandra]

*gets snacks*

 

[Ooguk [Cove]]

I feel honored u took 10 minutes to post that Ballian, and I love the hate. Give me more, I live for it!

 

[Velandra]

*passes out snacks*

I have a feeling this thread is going to get interesting.. all of us innocent bystanders need nourishment!

 

[Connor_Graham]

Does anyone else feel that Baron and his guild [DUPE] are pretty much screwing up the pvp on Pacific? I guess I don't understand the fun they get out of speed hacking and god knows what else. I just wanted to see what everyone else thought about these wazzooozzzz.

So you're saying that the person that makes the most posts here to brag about this or that person that he killed did so only by cheating, thus showing himself to be the loser instead of the person that was killed?


Anyone have any popcorn?

 

[Velandra]

Anyone have any popcorn?

uh.. yeah - I was passing out snacks earlier.

This has the makings of quite a thread.

 

[Emil Ispep]

Baron is a nobody.

Im just happy i havent seen slave girl on in awhile.

 

[Velandra]

I missed the whole slave girl thing, but often hear it mentioned.. what happened?

 

[Kaleb]

When UO releases the next expansion and with their new memory scanning device all unapproved 3rd party apps will send a redflag to the servers, once these 3rd party apps are gone the real pvpers will be all that remain. And kids like baron will not know what to do if they cant speed around or use their cheats anymore.

because of players like this(not just barons guild) It has killed the game for me for the most part, If i go to yew and see someone streak across me screen I almost always go to my house and log out instantly so basically i cant stay logged in for more than a couple mins.

Whats even sadder or comical is that the newer Gen UO pvper feels they have to run their cheats to compete and believe that they are actually good at UO pvp.

 

[Emil Ispep]

I missed the whole slave girl thing, but often hear it mentioned.. what happened?

Just another Luna kiddie.

And yes when SA comes out I look forward to looting Barons tower after he gets banned >=). Pretty cool too, he goes around "scavenging" idocs, and keeps the somewhat good stuff.. so itll all be in the drop.

 

[Balian of Asgard]

Emil, I wonder how many ppl will be at his IDOC haha

 

[Emil Ispep]

Emil, I wonder how many ppl will be at his IDOC haha

haha.. a lot lol.

Just hope it falls on a day i dont have work.

And for those interested, its the [COVE] tower right outside of.. Cove! (fel).

 

[SUPRsalad]

agreed. enjoy it while you can, kiddo. Unlike you, most of SUPR has these things we like to call JOBS! At some point, we will all be back in full force to loot baron's tower.

 

[ColterDC]

When UO releases the next expansion and with their new memory scanning device all unapproved 3rd party apps will send a redflag to the servers, once these 3rd party apps are gone the real pvpers will be all that remain.

I would love to see UO finally step up and add something to their client that will remove all the piles of scum that infest this game.

An anti-cheat program that will catch all these pathetic tools, will literally remove 99% of the cheaters in the game since most of the people running these illegal programs are to stupid to program their own cheats.

I may be wrong, but I think UO's population would increase if the Devs would remove the cheaters. I don't know about anyone else, but I don't want to play with cheaters and I'm betting several other people who have left would probably return if they knew that they could finally get some honest and fair competition, instead of being cheated on a daily basis.

But for right now, I agree with Balian 100%. I'd rather go pull weeds in my yard than play UO. Which is saying alot since I really hate pulling weeds.

P.S.
In case you didn't know Baron..... A yard is the land that is around the outside of your mom's house. Just an FYI in case you ever get tired of sitting in her basement, taking slightly gay pictures of yourself flexing. :loser:

 

[Lynk]

P.S.
In case you didn't know Baron..... A yard is the land that is around the outside of your mom's house. Just an FYI in case you ever get tired of sitting in her basement, taking slightly gay pictures of yourself flexing. :loser:

rofl, owned.

 

[Balian of Asgard]

LOL good one

 

[SUPRsalad]

huzaaah!

 

[Rumpelstiltskin]

I put a challenge to anyone in DUPE for 50 mil best 2 of 3 no pets..

 

[RichDC]

P.S.
In case you didn't know Baron..... A yard is the land that is around the outside of your mom's house. Just an FYI in case you ever get tired of sitting in her basement, taking slightly gay pictures of yourself flexing. :loser:

Too Funny!!

But...Its also 36inches

 

[Gellor]

I may be wrong, but I think UO's population would increase if the Devs would remove the cheaters. I don't know about anyone else, but I don't want to play with cheaters and I'm betting several other people who have left would probably return if they knew that they could finally get some honest and fair competition, instead of being cheated on a daily basis.

While some people may have left over cheat programs, I highly doubt that more left over cheat programs than would be removed by banning people using them.

I'd argue that you have three main factions who left UO:
1) Bored. These are the guys who left to go try <fill in latest game>. Some of these pop back in for a month or two after they have quit. I'd say 20% of the people who quit UO are here.
2) Anti-item/Tram(aka anti Ao$) better known as I hate the rules, I'm quitting UO. These guys are the guys who left because of rules they don't agree with. Since the rules aren't gonna change, these guys aren't gonna come back. I'd say somewhere in the 25-30% range here.
3) UO's broken and not getting fixed. These are the guys who quit UO over EA not fixing their own screw ups in a timely fashion... you know, what the rest of REAL programmers do. Nothing like 2 months or never to fix an issue from a patch... especially when you have people on stratics walking EA through how to do the issue. I'd put this number number in the 30-35% range.

I'd put the number of people who quit strictly over cheat programs in the 5-10% range at best.

I'd say more people have quit over poor customer service than cheat programs.

I've known dozens of people who have quit and I'd say MAYBE two have quit over programs.

As for the original topic, you see it on every shard and it is pretty pathetic.

 

[Velandra]

My squirrel killed a DUPE member and my tailor killed his mount last night.

So they can't all be cheaters. Unless they are reeally bad at cheating.

 

[Balian of Asgard]

Hi VEL,

They dont let just anyone into their own glorified shameless guild. Are you sure that the HAX.DUPER was there? or were they unattended macroing?
I didn't know you were in factions.


Gellor, will you admit that your reasons you decribed for ppl quitting UO all have one thing in common? Frustration.

Im not quitting UO because of a few cheating pices of s#it, but I wont play when they are all on in force. Thats like trying to keep your place in a lineup and preventing *******s from line butting while in a 3rd world country.

 

[Velandra]

It was the hax eggplant.

You don't have to be in Factions to kill them.

After a completely uncalled for murder in Skara Brae last week it was nice to extract my revenge. And my squirrel has quite a bloodlust.

Not to mention he had murdered me a second time just moments before.

 

[Kaleb]

I never quit due to cheats, I never really quit. My 2 main accounts have been open for 11 and 12 years. I just refuse to play a system (pacific Pvp) I love due to idiots who think they are good (like that wannabe MMA kid who said he was his sister than changed into a orc, or 50+% of the old foo crew) behind their cheats are out in force. I just dont see where a game can be fun (unless you have self esteem issues) to have to cheat to compete if competing is what you want to call it.

Then you have your a--hats (brokers,) who feel they need to ruin the game with their dupes to kill the game even more its beyond the point of any new player to even get something as simple in any reasonable time frame based off how they know how to play the game and the amounts of gold in the system due to the dupes brought on buy our greedy broker disease .

I did let that go just recently and started playin Pacific again until i almost killed myself on my bike. once I can type with 2 hands(macros) I will be back again but if those A--hats are out i wont waste my time and log out why help them have fun? I would love to help my guild have fun but these other losers? id rather make money or play 360, ps3, wii with my kids?

 

[mutau]

Seeing that Baron is enjoying reading this, and its adding to his ego, need for this thread to continue?



*Stands aside and patiently watches with the water hose ready, in case of need*

 

[Gellor]

Balian, I'd absolutely agree that a good portion of people who quit UO due so over frustration. But that frustration is less over who is using the latest and greatest cheat program and more over the reasons I listed

However, my "rant" was over the alluded "if you ban all the program using cheaters, UO will gain all the people who quit and then some" theory that I replied to(aka the new user agreement in SA where EA can monitor your computer).

The fact still remains that no matter how many people you ban who use cheat programs, you will still have a broken UO that the dev team is either slow to fix or flat out doesn't even try. Add to that the GMs who can't do a thing because EA has tied their hands behind their backs(not sure the current rules on GM, but back around 2002, the GMs couldn't do ANYTHING proactive... or so I was told during a job interview)

I'm still curious WTF the dev team does with all their time. Assuming that they are working UO full time, they sure can't seem to fix stuff at all I'd argue that even the lowliest of programmers could find and fix one bug a week at least(BTDT).

I'd love to work for the UO team so I can produce buggy stuff that I can forget about once it hits the server. I never got that lucky with my buggy software during my consulting days

I've been out of UO for a couple of months and have been on/off attempting to come back. But there is still that frustration over the pod racers and getting hit 75% of the time even with a 65% dci suit with 120 wrestle, 120 parry, and 80 dex on a mage

 

[RichDC]

You do away with 3rd party programmes and uo's health will improve.

SIMPLE.

Yes there are a few bugs here and there, a few balancing issues. Nothing is as annoying as speedhacking moving shot archers/dexxers!

I would settle for a buggy hack free uo over a unbugged cheat fest!

You wont lose half as many people as you may think and if we do, meaning they cant play without there crutches...THEN F OFF!

 

[SUPRsalad]

im all down for it. I've actually wondered what it would be like.

 

[Gellor]

You do away with 3rd party programmes and uo's health will improve.

SIMPLE.

Yes there are a few bugs here and there, a few balancing issues. Nothing is as annoying as speedhacking moving shot archers/dexxers!

I would settle for a buggy hack free uo over a unbugged cheat fest!

You wont lose half as many people as you may think and if we do, meaning they cant play without there crutches...THEN F OFF!

Rich,
You are failing at some basic comprehension to my argument.

It doesn't matter how many people we lose if they removed ALL the people using cheat programs... you will NEVER gain back the lost users because the people who have left over the cheat programs are nowhere near the number of people who are using.

Let us put some hypothetical numbers to this so you can understand. Let us say that UO currently has 100k subscribers. Let us say 10% of them use a cheat program of some sort(I think that is very under stated and probably closer to 20%) for 10k subscriptions. I HIGHLY doubt that there have been 10k or more subscriptions who have left UO over people using cheat programs. And I highly doubt that many would come back.

EA already stated they aren't going to do ANY advertising for UO. So short of word of mouth, there will be NO new players coming to UO. That leaves returning players and maintaining subscriptions.

Of those people that quit, the anti-Tram and anti-item guys are gone forever. I'd guess 200k subscriptions.

The boredom people may pop their head in when we get new content. But the fact they left once(or more) says they'll be gone after one or two months. I'd guess 300k subscriptions.

That leaves the poor customer service group and the fubar server rules group that EA should be appealing to. Of those two, the only one they can do with the most visibility is fix their fubar server rules... ie FIX THE BUGS IN A TIMELY MANNER!!

I'd bet more people have quit over items disappearing under houses, houses being lost due to game glitches, items just disappearing, etc than have EVER quit due to cheat programs.

There are two minorities who complain about cheat programs:
1) PvPers. I'd say MAYBE 20% of any given shard PvPs. And as this thread shows, they are all effected by someone on the shard who uses cheat programs.
2) Power merchants. Aka the guy who complains about scripting because it cuts into their profit. I'd say maybe 2%. To me, kind of a hypocritical argument. "I want people banned because I can't earn more gold in UO that I can sell."

Unfortunately, EA has developed systems and further tweaked systems that make it impossible for the casual player to accomplish anything. EX: Bod system, random resources, community collection, etc. The only way to get some of these items is to power game(aka UO as a full time job) or use one of the cheat programs. They keep adding new systems to try to combat the cheat programs and only succeed in making them more lucrative while pushing the casual gamer further out(the random resources being a PRIME example of this)

As for the argument of their being a few bugs... that is like saying it was a pin hole that sunk the Titanic.

From a strictly PvP standpoint, lets look at some of the current issues that EA hasn't seen fit to adjust and instead keep compounding the issue:
1) Pets in PvP. First it was rune beetles and mares that were terrors. Then they add in dread mares and greater dragons. I have YET to see a fix for these nor have I heard any rumors of the devs doing anything. This is not a cheat program related issue.
2) Bugged quivers of rage. Free 5 points of damage for archers and only a half baked fix for them. Only would take 5 minutes to figure out an SQL query to fix this and maybe 20 minutes to run to remove ALL of them. This is ALSO not a cheat program related issue.
3) Gimp templates. Fill in your latest gimp template. Usually takes months if they even fix them. Took them 2-3 months to fix the 70+ deathstrike ninjas. Hmmm... still not a cheat program related issue.
4) Crashing when dragging bars. Yup, you can crash while grabbing health bars. I've died more due to this than a lot of other issues. Not sure this is an easy fix but it also hasn't been mentioned or addressed. Looks like another non cheat program related issue.
5) Super duper faction items. Uh... yeah. Easier to get than regular arties and 2x more powerful. Looks like an EA brain fart. Still not cheat program related issue unless you consider silver farmer.
6) Faction point broken system. "Yup, my crafter has 50,000,000 gained honesty" Two issues: gaining points is abused and transfering points to a "points mule" to prevent other guilds from getting items. Still looking for a cheat program related issue
7) Synchronized targetting. This is the uncanny ability of some groups to always hit the same target. No real fix aside from finding a way to get rid of THE cheat program. Whoa... I think we found a cheat program related issue.
8) Pod racing players. Another of those uncanny faster than a speeding bullet abilities that some players seem to posses. Wow. We are at TWO cheat program related issues
9) Graphic hacks... you know, the special field and tree graphics that seem to pop up in PvP pictures every once in a while. It is also the simplest of things to fix in 10 minutes of coding... can anyone say file integrity check? So while this is semi cheat program related, it is more of an EA lazy issue than anything. I'd say half a cheat related issue:loser:

So, out of the 9 issues that just crossed my mind, we've got 2.5 issues that are cheat programs that are out of EA's control. While the other 6.5 issues are things that EA has DIRECT control over and could easily address.

I'll make this VERY clear: I hate all the GD cheating going on but it is beyond EA's ability to control while keeping UO running. If EA does the iron fisted move with cheating, UO is gone. They will lose way more people than they will gain back from that move and UO will in no way be a viable product for EA to continue to support even in their current minimalist support.

 

[SUPRsalad]

Reeb's wall-of-text in summary:

Its an old ****ed up pancake. Take it or leave it.


- Lord Himuro Gemma

 

[Balian of Asgard]

This shard missed your humour bro

 

[SUPRsalad]

sometimes i wonder bal. sometimes hotdogs are good.

 

[morgawr68]

i like brats better than hotdogs

 

[SUPRsalad]

aye. beer brats and sauerkraut. . . with beer.

 

[Emil Ispep]

def beer

 

[Velandra]

that ahole got revenge and killed my poor baby squirrel!

 

[SchezwanBeefy]

I missed the whole slave girl thing, but often hear it mentioned.. what happened?

She got a name change token and changed her name. I can't remember her guild's name, but she owns a spot right in Tokuno still. She learned to keep her mouth shut and when she moved to Fel on another account, I'm sure she learned to keep real quiet as not to get pwned a million times a day.

 

[Velandra]

Misti!! I've missed you!!

 

[Connor_Graham]

Does anyone else feel that Baron and his guild [DUPE] are pretty much screwing up the pvp on Pacific?

Now they're trying to screw up the PvM also now that the ToT event is going on. They jump from place to place where people are farming, and jumping in on what they're fighting, trying to either **** people off or run them off. What's sad is they had to call in help to take over a spot I was at this morning, even with their cheats and all.

They're too stupid to realize they're screwing up their own chances at drops more than they're screwing up anyone else's.

 

[Velandra]

I have to say, when I died to a Yamadon this morning I was extremely pleased when I got back to my corpse to see a very dead Notorious BUM.

 

[Connor_Graham]

I have to say, when I died to a Yamadon this morning I was extremely pleased when I got back to my corpse to see a very dead Notorious BUM.

Ah yes, that was the other guy that had to get involved with me lol. Glad to know that my original feeling was true, that they have to team up just to survive. This gave me a chuckle first thing this morning, thanks!

 

[SchezwanBeefy]

Also, if Baron could stop sitting people's houses and stalking Vel, that would be mother ****ing awesome. I'm sick of hearing how you're following my guildies like a creepy ass stalker. Get a life.

 

[Emil Ispep]

lol..

"Buying bottle of blue wine for 50m!"

*does a detect hidden*

Oh hey Baron.. what a suprise. Waiting for an 'i wish to release this' no doubt.. How do ya think he got all the stuff in his tower? lmao

 

[Ooguk [Cove]]

Also, if Baron could stop sitting people's houses and stalking Vel, that would be mother ****ing awesome. I'm sick of hearing how you're following my guildies like a creepy ass stalker. Get a life.

Wait Hold on a sec??? Your flipping out on me ina vid game and u tell me to get a life? thats the pot callin the kettle black right there.

 

[SchezwanBeefy]

Wait Hold on a sec??? Your flipping out on me ina vid game and u tell me to get a life? thats the pot callin the kettle black right there.

Dude, I am not -flipping out-. I'm asking you to knock it off because you're creeping several of my guild mates out with your antics. I got online today and one of my guildies told me you said hi. Who does that? Only some creeper like you. I haven't even been around for two weeks due to be too busy. Who's the pot now, Baron? You're the one who sits online all day playing this game- not me.
So again, I will ask you to stop harrassing myself and my other guild mates. When it was brought to my attention by three guild members when I logged in for the first time in two weeks yesterday, I said something to you here.

 

[Velandra]

Nvm

 

[lineman]

Also, if Baron could stop sitting people's houses and stalking Vel, that would be mother ****ing awesome. I'm sick of hearing how you're following my guildies like a creepy ass stalker. Get a life.

It seems to me that you guys are the stalkers, you seem to be infactuated with Baron. And as far as Baron stalking Vel, well she seems to be around his tower alot she must not mind it. Ok lets move on to his tower full of rares that he stole off people. Well that would have been pretty tough as half of them I transported personally from other shards. It just seems to me that this forum just cant stand that someone may be better or have better things than themselves so they turn to personal attacks. Imo you guys are the losers with nothing better to do than troll on Baron, How this thread hasnt been locked by the mods is beyond me, if it was about anyone else it would have been locked after the third post. Well good luck trolling. Im sure it will be locked now

 

[Velandra]

Gau FTW!!

 

[SUPRsalad]

Gau.. . . . hmmm..

Im pretty sure that was a character in Final Fantasy III... Yessssir, its pretty indicative of long-term nerd-like behavior. . . Can't fool whats cut from the same piece of cloth. . .