Taking items of corpse or vendor, differense?

[TigerDyr]

I was out fighting yesterday (yes its true).
I met Neo who attacked me, we fought for 20 secs and then Vortex came to my aid, Neo started fighting the 2 of us. Went around Luna abit, then Spartakus and Kael showe so a 3 vs 2 against Tnt2 (glad you stuck around, was a nice fight and was fun). Ah well we finally dropped Spartakus, and wanted to chase Neo but Critical gaming who had been watching started to loot, so I started attacking him and he went on me, needless to say I had trouble right away, the rest joined in to try and help me with Crit and defend the corpse so its rightful owner could get back.

Eventually HaHa showed aswell and Crit got by far the upper hand, he almost had it already :-(. I think we all 3 died. Nice going there Crit.

Well my question is this, whats the diff. between looting items from a corpse you did not slay for a profit or to simply get back at one and picking up free items of a vendor for a profit or simply to get back at one?
(Not comitting on weather or not its right or wrong to do either)

Im asking the question since it raised hell yesterday on the boards, just wondering if 420 thinks this approach is more acceptable? or why if it is...

 

[Vortex]

There is no difference. They will always be hypocritical of what Gilfane does and ignore when their members do the same.

 

[TheScoundrelRico]

Do you really not know the answer?

Premise one: Player buys other players items off vendor to throw in trash.
Premise two: Player loots other players items off corpse to sell for profit.

Is it really that hard for you to figure out?...la

 

[Kat]

There is no difference. They will always be hypocritical of what Gilfane does and ignore when their members do the same.

This.

Typical KoC/420/whatever they are, hypocrites.

 

[TigerDyr]

Hi Rico nice to see you here, but would you please keep the things together...

Either compare to looting and selling and then buying for (0 gp) and selling.

Or compare looting to keep items away from the person who they were intended for and then buying for (0gp) to keep items away from the person who they were intended for....

Please dont mix up the two, sense that would derail the purpos of my thread here...

My point is simple, to try and get an understanding what the differense is to take free items of a vendor compared to items from a corpse where you did not do anything to slay

 

[TheScoundrelRico]

But the key is, what is the player going to do with said items once they get them? Give them back to their original owner or throw them in the trash.

Everything else really doesn't matter...la

 

[Kage]

Well I'm not sure what battle you was in but I was playing HaHa and me and Crunch slayed several people including Spartacus.

I did not loot anyone that I did not have a hand in killing.

I am not sure about Crunch.


I can see where someone would loot a downed enemy in the field though regardless if he did partake in the kill.

And one of the major differences the items were placed on a vendor free of charge. The items could only be worn bye that person.


If Crunch did loot items off a corpse I can assure you that he can use the items and did not just loot them up to walk a few screens away and throw them in the trash.

 

[Vortex]

But the key is, what is the player going to do with said items once they get them? Give them back to their original owner or throw them in the trash.

Everything else really doesn't matter...la

No, the issue is looting things you didn't earn. At least when you steal something Rico, you worked for it. Taking someone else's items for the purpose of griefing is the same, whether you sell it back or trash it.

 

[Vortex]

Well I'm not sure what battle you was in but I was playing HaHa and me and Crunch slayed several people including Spartacus.

I did not loot anyone that I did not have a hand in killing.

I am not sure about Crunch.


I can see where someone would loot a downed enemy in the field though regardless if he did partake in the kill.

And one of the major differences the items were placed on a vendor free of charge. The items could only be worn bye that person.


If Crunch did loot items off a corpse I can assure you that he can use the items and did not just loot them up to walk a few screens away and throw them in the trash.

You came in after Critical Gaming looted Spartacus. He had been watching the fight, not fighting. By the time you got there, we had attacked CG for looting Spartacus.

Face it, like in so many other things, ya'll are hypocrites.

 

[TigerDyr]

Lets say the looted items were not intended to be givin or sold back. But due to lack of funding on looting part and looted parts big funding the items were sold back.

Still does not go to showe the intend of the looting, other than an offer too great for the looting person were presented. Had that offer not existed then what?

Ill go back to my original thought, what is the differense between taking items free from a vendor and free from a corpse you did not slay?

Im asking in concerns to the act, not the intend behind, as I stated it is not a comment of what is wrong or right...

Please Rico, keep to the question or let those invovled from yesterday do so.

 

[Kage]

No, the issue is looting things you didn't earn. At least when you steal something Rico, you worked for it. Taking someone else's items for the purpose of griefing is the same, whether you sell it back or trash it.

No taking the items of a downed enemy in a field fight is called playing smart.

Just because you guys are in a "server war" does not mean we are just going to stand bye and watch you guys duke it out when we come across you guys and you are in battle with all you insured items....

Nope we are going to engage fight loot the enemy so they can no longer be effective and move on to the next target... And yes we have to loot hard now because no stat loss...

 

[Critical Gaming]

Not to be mean, but it is Siege and at the time, that was the only way I could go gray. I did keep most of what I looted, the rest I put on my vendor. You guys got to trash one of my suits last night so I think you got back at me!

Anyways it was a lot of fun. Nice to see some new people fighting for a change =D

 

[Mook Chessy]

I was out fighting yesterday (yes its true).
I met Neo who attacked me, we fought for 20 secs and then Vortex came to my aid, Neo started fighting the 2 of us. Went around Luna abit, then Spartakus and Kael showe so a 3 vs 2 against Tnt2 (glad you stuck around, was a nice fight and was fun). Ah well we finally dropped Spartakus, and wanted to chase Neo but Critical gaming who had been watching started to loot, so I started attacking him and he went on me, needless to say I had trouble right away, the rest joined in to try and help me with Crit and defend the corpse so its rightful owner could get back.

Eventually HaHa showed aswell and Crit got by far the upper hand, he almost had it already :-(. I think we all 3 died. Nice going there Crit.

Well my question is this, whats the diff. between looting items from a corpse you did not slay for a profit or to simply get back at one and picking up free items of a vendor for a profit or simply to get back at one?
(Not comitting on weather or not its right or wrong to do either)

Im asking the question since it raised hell yesterday on the boards, just wondering if 420 thinks this approach is more acceptable? or why if it is...

Sorry, I need to disagree and will give you my reasons

When you buy an item off a vendor there are no consequences, save the beating you take on these boards.

In looting a blue corpse you go gray, opening yourself up to attack.

 

[TigerDyr]

Im glad Kage you joined with that remark, I would argue to take free items of a vendor is equally smart, if not smart since that does not put you at risk yourself.

Crit got flagged and we attcked, 1 time we had him very low, but he is a good fighter and survived came back and turned it around, good of him. But others not as good, might find themself trouble.

So if its a matter of being smart, then you should have put a price on those items yesterday, cause as you put it not to take free items.... well to take em is smart.

 

[Vortex]

No taking the items of a downed enemy in a field fight is called playing smart.

Just because you guys are in a "server war" does not mean we are just going to stand bye and watch you guys duke it out when we come across you guys and you are in battle with all you insured items....

He wasn't an enemy when he was downed. Critical waited till we downed him and then looted. Kinda like a buzzard does.

 

[Vortex]

Not to be mean, but it is Siege and at the time, that was the only way I could go gray. I did keep most of what I looted, the rest I put on my vendor. You guys got to trash one of my suits last night so I think you got back at me!

Anyways it was a lot of fun. Nice to see some new people fighting for a change =D

You could have jumped into the fight at anytime. That is not the only way to go grey. And even if you were doing it only to go grey, why did you take several items instead of just one? You can go grey taking one item, not his whole suit.

The fight was fun, your methods were not.

 

[Kage]

If you are trying to compare someone buying items off a vendor to looting someones gear in the field there is something wrong lol.

One items on vendor was free. Could ONLY be worn bye said player. Member of GIL sees items oh screw this faction stuff I will buy them so I can throw them in the trash ya i'm cool now.

Crunch loots downed enemy in field. Nice stuff I can wear, and able to go grey while looting it.

 

[TheScoundrelRico]

No, the issue is looting things you didn't earn. At least when you steal something Rico, you worked for it. Taking someone else's items for the purpose of griefing is the same, whether you sell it back or trash it.

So now I'm a griefer if I find a corpse I didn't create and loot it? Well, then color me a griefer, because I have always played that way ^^ ...la

 

[Critical Gaming]

Well, I know I had fun. You guys sure had fun with us in spirituality later that night and got my stuff and Forsaken's stuff off his tamer. We both lost items, and you guys trashed them. I don't care about the gear as much, I have backup waiting for occasions like that.

I was just more excited about fighting numbers =)

 

[Kage]

You could have jumped into the fight at anytime. That is not the only way to go grey. And even if you were doing it only to go grey, why did you take several items instead of just one? You can go grey taking one item, not his whole suit.

The fight was fun, your methods were not.

A lot of crying out of you lately. Did you get looted?

Did me and Crunch versus all of you guys make you sad that you all died to just two people?

I mean next time if you like me and him will fight on foot.

 

[Vortex]

A lot of crying out of you lately. Did you get looted?

Did me and Crunch versus all of you guys make you sad that you all died to just two people?

I mean next time if you like me and him will fight on foot.

Isn't it funny how anytime someone disagrees with you its crying?

I don't mind dying, I don't mind getting looted. I don't mind dying to ya'll. I have always admitted half the shard is better than me at pvp.

My posts have to do with YOUR crying about faction items getting trashed, when you and your kind do the same.

The problem is, when my arguement makes more sense than yours, you have to resort to calling it crying. Sorry, you fail at debate 101.

 

[enigma eb2]

I was not even there and I can tell someone has sand in their panties

 

[TigerDyr]

Well I started this thread and now ill state m meaning. In my eyes Crit did nothing wrong by looting an enemy it has always been like that no matter the intend. Nor has it ever been wrong to buy free items of a vendor no matter the intend.
If its taking the high road or low road is another matter and who your actions reflect upon weather being friend or foe I wont comment on.

Ill say this though, Crit if you were just trying to get flagged you could have just moved the items around I wouldnt have been able to tell the diff.

And yes you guys did take us down and yes it was a nice fight (from your behalf crit anyways) even though I was on the losing end, not the first wont be the last.

Was just curious how you would respond to taking items free of a corpse vs from a vendor. And Kage yes it was mainly directed to you, you somehow got side tracked once more and got this turned into a "you are crying more than me thread", rather than keeping it to just facts about what you mean bout the question.

Well still hope you will join the war and see you in game ya all, no ill thoughts

 

[QueenZen]

I was not even there and I can tell someone has sand in their panties

Oh geez thanks a lot sir Enigma
for bringing back, some flashback old memory of mine, with ye words about

sand in the panties but I can vouch for that, that sand in the panties can be quite temporarily annoying.

QZ thought for the day:

Never make love on a beach in the darkness of night, besides stinging jelly fish & crabby crustaceans that ya didn't see on the beach, in the dark & getting sandy grains, in ye panties and ye nether reaches of either gender of us, plus jelly fish stings .. can be quite annoying sometimes !!

Now, hopefully yall will agree ya disagree upon this issue and let it go .

 

[Kage]

If you are trying to compare someone buying items off a vendor to looting someones gear in the field there is something wrong lol.

One items on vendor was free. Could ONLY be worn bye said player. Member of GIL sees items oh screw this faction stuff I will buy them so I can throw them in the trash ya i'm cool now.

Crunch loots downed enemy in field. Nice stuff I can wear, and able to go grey while looting it.

....

 

[TigerDyr]

Kage: No taking the items of a downed enemy in a field fight is called playing smart.


Tigerdyr: So if its a matter of being smart, then you should have put a price on those items yesterday, cause as you put it not to take free items.... well to take em is smart.

Change of heart?

Kage: If you are trying to compare someone buying items off a vendor to looting someones gear in the field there is something wrong lol

Thought it was about being smart?!?

 

[Kage]

Nm you dont get it... not surprising.

 

[TigerDyr]

And if its a matter of taking items you cant use....

Kage: Nope we are going to engage fight loot the enemy so they can no longer be effective...

Well so now its a time limit.... If someone takes faction items just means that, that person will not be able to aid his guildies the next couple of hours/days and then its definetly not okay right Kage?

But to take em so they cant come back and fight within the next hour then its fine??

So basically we are down to a time issue now??

 

[TigerDyr]

Well with your great intellect im sure that you can explain it so that I might understand it, even though im quite the imbicil at times....

*Gets ready for the wise words*

*Concentrates*

Okay im ready, go for it.

 

[Kage]

Ok Crunch looted items in a battle that he and anyone else could wear or equip...

Crunch also flagged grey and could be attacked bye anyone and was attacked while doing so.

Krunk Playa bought items off a vendor that he could not use and did not risk a thing. He was not taking someone out of a fight that was taking place. He was simply griefing the guy.

He bought the items and trashed them all while risking nothing...

 

[Draxous]

Well I'm not sure what battle you was in but I was playing HaHa and me and Crunch slayed several people including Spartacus.

I did not loot anyone that I did not have a hand in killing.

I am not sure about Crunch.


I can see where someone would loot a downed enemy in the field though regardless if he did partake in the kill.

And one of the major differences the items were placed on a vendor free of charge. The items could only be worn bye that person.


If Crunch did loot items off a corpse I can assure you that he can use the items and did not just loot them up to walk a few screens away and throw them in the trash.

You came in after Critical Gaming looted Spartacus. He had been watching the fight, not fighting. By the time you got there, we had attacked CG for looting Spartacus.

Face it, like in so many other things, ya'll are hypocrites.

What exactly are we hypocritical of?

Does GIL PK?!?!? So does that make us hypocritical if we PK because GIL doesn't? Like what the hell kind of sense does that make?

Also, if you really want to take it down this road. Did crunch come up to the corpse and just cut up the armor? (which is really what Krunk Player did) It would of been one thing if Krunk would of bought the items to sell them, its completely another that he bought the items just to TRASH them. One is called playing it smart... the other, is griefing.

Your guild has rules, just like our guild has rules. No PKing is not one of our rules... I'd expect that if you had a GIL member or a KSS member pking newbies at the NEW Guildhouse... there would be some conflict with that player... while we don't PK newbs at their guildhouse because we feel that is pretty newbish and beneath us... if one of us wanted to, it wouldn't be a big deal (other than the endless teasing the one would get in vent about it.)

All that is being done is trying to spin this situation to fit something it doesn't. We are not hypocrites by any stretch of the imagination...

...

 

[enigma eb2]

I am not speaking for anyone in 420 but myself.

This is my shard, my game, and you are just being allowed to play in it. The things you are wearing that you call "your" loot is really my stuff and you are just demonstrating how good I would look in it, should I CHOOSE to wear it I will put you down take it all back and do with it what I please.
I rarely see the need to loot anyone any longer unless the piece is really really nice, I need to use some of the items like pots, or the scumbag that just died was being a scumbag at the moment of death. If asked I hand gear back to 99% of the people who ask nicely. Should I die , thou that hasn't happened in so long I can not remember a specific incident, I do not care at all what happens to my gear. There is nothing that can not be replaced in UO. The sooner people realize this the more fun they would be having.

And as for Kage's comment about field looting being SMART, I agree with Kage. If you non stat people just keep ressing up and getting back in the fight then we are forced to loot you to keep you out of the fight. I agree with Tiger about more fights = more fun but seriously the fights are 2 vs 6 and the 6 keep resing until the real fight is more like 12 vs 2 by the time its over. (see how I doubled the number 6 to simulate each person getting resurrected at least 1 time ??)

And finally to Queen Zen... your naughty and I likes it!!!

 

[QueenZen]

*laughs* Hey I was 21 wild and crazy once to ya know...now I am OLD and crazy ~ but not yet senile I remember Virginia Beach VERY well. Ouch jelly fish STING like hell !

 

[Kael]

No, the issue is looting things you didn't earn. At least when you steal something Rico, you worked for it. Taking someone else's items for the purpose of griefing is the same, whether you sell it back or trash it.

No taking the items of a downed enemy in a field fight is called playing smart.

...

Now what if buying a suit off a vendor for free was "playing smart" because his suit had earlier gotten trashed by someone.....thus it evened the playing field.

Again, because my faction items have my name on them and no one else can wear them doesn't mean they belong to me.

We CHOOSE not to loot when we kill others in the server war. Doesn't mean we can't lol Would it have been any different if I looted then placed them on my vendor for free?? I guess the smart guy would have just allowed the opponent to resuit up and fight again instead of me rushing off to my vendor to throw them up for sale.

 

[Draxous]

Now what if buying a suit off a vendor for free was "playing smart" because his suit had earlier gotten trashed by someone.....thus it evened the playing field.

Again, because my faction items have my name on them and no one else can wear them doesn't mean they belong to me.

We CHOOSE not to loot when we kill others in the server war. Doesn't mean we can't lol Would it have been any different if I looted then placed them on my vendor for free?? I guess the smart guy would have just allowed the opponent to resuit up and fight again instead of me rushing off to my vendor to throw them up for sale.

Read my post.

It will probably explain better the difference.

Crunch didn't loot the corpse and cut up the armor... which is the difference. We already stated that if Krunk would of bought the stuff to sell back at profit (cause he needed the gold) that would of been smart... but he TRASHED the ****ing items.

...?

 

[Kael]

What exactly are we hypocritical of?

Does GIL PK?!?!? So does that make us hypocritical if we PK because GIL doesn't? Like what the hell kind of sense does that make?

Also, if you really want to take it down this road. Did crunch come up to the corpse and just cut up the armor? (which is really what Krunk Player did) It would of been one thing if Krunk would of bought the items to sell them, its completely another that he bought the items just to TRASH them. One is called playing it smart... the other, is griefing.
...

I may be wrong ( and if wrong guy I do apologize ) but wasn't there a huge locked thread on Stratics about BO doing that??

 

[Draxous]

 

[TigerDyr]

So again we are back to a time issue...

Krunk being Calypso, being faction. Bought/"looted" some items that would help insure that there would be one less to have to fight/get chased by that evening. Or if he had a spare suit then another day, when he would run out of spare suits. So in that matter it actually served a purpos. Noble done or not, im not gonna comment on.


Lets take the part to loot and get flagged, true good argumeant, besides the fact that, that was his intend not necesarrily the items. recording to himself anyway.
Again on the flag issue, so if he had looted a red where he wouldnt have gotten flagged you would have said something?

Well before we get futher into "what if" and so on, I meerly pointed out that there are certain perspectives to everything and clearly from the things you speak, had it been a friend of yours doing what Krunk did, you could without a doubt also have put a spin on things so it could seem more or less okay. Again not saying if it was a right or wrong thing to do.

Standards is good, double standards are twice as good right Kage and last but not least

 

[Draxous]

So again...

 

[TigerDyr]

Hi Enigma

I agree with the looting policy of any and all people be it faction or none faction. Granted it is more wise to loot those that do not suffer skill loss due to a death.

In this incident, it was not a matter a field looting since Crit did not participate in the fight but wanted to and looted. As I stated I see nothing wrong in that and when we got handed our butts it just went to prove that it was a smart move .

I died lost some items, some of them I could not replace with equally good items, some I could... So what die get looted get back in.

We all want the odds on our side, how we choose to tip the bowl are up to us. Some do it by numbers others by other means... Its a game have fun

 

[TigerDyr]

Oh Hi Drax, skipped past your post the first time as the insult was towards Vortex or Kael...
This one was all for me, wow thanks... Really like your constructive input, keep up the good work

And yes I will post the pic of you being on siege, dont worry...

 

[Draxous]

Say... what?

 

[Sunchicken]

Ok here is my thoughts on the issue. I try to be a nice person the majority of the time. This can be a problem when one plays this shard. I dont like to be disliked. The next issue i have is i have barbed kit, horned kit, bronze and higher hammer fetishes.
They have the same effect on me as cookies have on the cookie monster. *GIMMIE GIMMIE GIMMIE*
In order to obtain these items i have to have gold which anyone that has played other shards will tell you its harder to do here on siege. If i come across a corpse that has items that will benifit me i will loot. Its not griefing its mearly ethical egoism at its best...

 

[enigma eb2]

Tiger,

you seem like your starting to understand so I will continue to go deeper into an explanation.

Would you have attacked Crit Game as a blue? No
Would you have attacked him if he was grey? Possibly
If he could get you to attack him how many would he be fighting against? 6
Are these odds that Crit Gaming is willing to fight againsts? close but yes
Did he have anyway of making the fight turn to his advantage? yes

So preemptively he looted the guy he was going gray on because he KNEW that if you actually fought him as a gray that this guy would be ressed and be in that fight against him.

Again playing smarter. this is not rocket science people. He did what he did to provoke the exact response he got and he was prepared for it and therefore took action ahead of time to prevent that player from fighting. less reducing the number of people he was fighting against.

Endith the lesson.

 

[Bo Bo]

I may be wrong ( and if wrong guy I do apologize ) but wasn't there a huge locked thread on Stratics about BO doing that??

Bo knows you are wrong. Dont you dare try to soil Bo's good name. Keep Bo outta it. Bo feels the same way as enigma, tho. Everything you wear or have actaully belongs to Bo.

 

[Kael]

Bo knows you are wrong. Dont you dare try to soil Bo's good name. Keep Bo outta it. Bo feels the same way as enigma, tho. Everything you wear or have actaully belongs to Bo.

I did feel a bit dirty when I mentioned your name

 

[Varka]

He wasn't an enemy when he was downed. Critical waited till we downed him and then looted. Kinda like a buzzard does.

I always liked the term "bank buzzard."

 

[Førsaken]

There is no difference. They will always be hypocritical of what Gilfane does and ignore when their members do the same.

LOL!!!! Did Critical not proceed on killing them after they flagged? *What he ultimately wants anyways* Did Critical TRASH said items? *Probably not*

Good ****ing going there guy. I think there is a HUGE difference on situation. One guy simply goes to vendor, take what were FREE items, and trashes it. Another guy sees people fighting and said welp, I loot, I go grey/or they attack me anyways, and I have a win/win situation. Seems like a difference to me.

 

[Kage]

They dont get it Sakey... I just quit trying to explain...

 

[Falon of Eldor]

*ducks in*

this house decoing fool (non-pvp playstyle) likes to watch (voyer!) the pvp battles in luna but gets really pissed off when seeing people loot corpses that didnt have any participation in the battle (breathes).

*runs back out, yellow tail bw legs*