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LOL, you'd almost need a seperate house to hold all of those million gold checks...la
I'm sure there are some people who have a billion gold legitimately.
However, when you think about it, a billion is a thousand million. Unless there's a new "uber check" for over a million gold exploit out there? That means he has 4,000 lockdowns, or bank box contents, that are million gold checks alone.
There may or may not be "too much" gold in this game...Personally if this is true I'd like some more of it.
But folks like this I don't think are good indicators. At least a good many of them are cheating in one or more ways.
It's not unlike judging stock returns by Bernie Madoff. No one stopped to wonder why his returns were NEVER less than 15%, and in fact a lot of the time were right around 15%, only rarely any more and never any less.
-Galen's player
However, when you think about it, a billion is a thousand million. Unless there's a new "uber check" for over a million gold exploit out there? That means he has 4,000 lockdowns, or bank box contents, that are million gold checks alone.
There may or may not be "too much" gold in this game...Personally if this is true I'd like some more of it.
But folks like this I don't think are good indicators. At least a good many of them are cheating in one or more ways.
It's not unlike judging stock returns by Bernie Madoff. No one stopped to wonder why his returns were NEVER less than 15%, and in fact a lot of the time were right around 15%, only rarely any more and never any less.
-Galen's player
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Then you better give me some for a referral!
Just a quick note about the amount of lockdowns that much gold would take...you could simply do what many of UO's most wealthy do and set up your own bank in the form of a vendor
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Yea but you cant transfer a vendor to another character or another shard.
Still not enough to afford a SA condo
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LOLStill not enough to afford a SA condo
And they just increased the flow of it into the game by at least 3x.......
I got this same ICQ last week, the best I can figure is it’s a scam... It's not beyond the realm of possibilities that there is a person in this game that has 4 billion gold. But I can think of no good reason why they would want to sell it so cheap.
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Michael Wolf
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I agree it's probably a scam, however getting 1,000 items transfered to any shard is no big feet, 5 pakies at 125 items each is 625, 125 in the bank and 125 in your backpack is 875. If somone wanted it all @ $250 per Billion and even if he discounted it further to $200 per billion it would be $800 for all 4 Bil, and it would take 2 transfers at $25 each even you bought them from game codes, well worth it fo an $800 sale.
Oops a liitle faulty on my Math there, it would actually take 2 trips to get 1 Billion over, but only 5 transfers to get all 4 billion. So if he sells 1 billion for $250 and buys transfer tokens from game codes, he's making $200 per sale, if he sell it all for $800 on one shard and has to transfer it, and buys the tokens on Game coades, it will cost him $125 to transfer it.
Oops a liitle faulty on my Math there, it would actually take 2 trips to get 1 Billion over, but only 5 transfers to get all 4 billion. So if he sells 1 billion for $250 and buys transfer tokens from game codes, he's making $200 per sale, if he sell it all for $800 on one shard and has to transfer it, and buys the tokens on Game coades, it will cost him $125 to transfer it.
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Connor_Graham
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No, they didn't. They just reduced the number of charges a BoS uses. That has no affect on how much gold/hour a person can farm. It's the same now as it was before.
We used to leave the gold behind from Harrowers. That was about 1 million. We now clean it up in about 2 minutes. Same goes for Champion Spawns. The change to weight makes you want to loot gold again because you can carry a lot more.
So gold which was left behind before is now being taken and you can carry 3x more.
So gold which was left behind before is now being taken and you can carry 3x more.
Unless fixed in recent past, there are quite a few bugs that allows you to transfer billions of gold worth of checks in one transfer.
Ah. Thank you.
Galen (character) and I (player) aren't in that club just yet, I guess.
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Farscape
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Vendors are good banks but they have had their wings clipped
not sure how much is max now but it used to be heaps
10 vendors full of bod books nobody knows any difference
not sure how much is max now but it used to be heaps
10 vendors full of bod books nobody knows any difference
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Connor_Graham
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That doesn't mean that 3x as much gold is being brought into the game at all. As usual, you're way overexaggerating this particular subject.
my first thought when i saw the figure of a billion gold was there was no way that was legit.
but then i got to thinking..... 11 years this game has been around.
that is a long time.
and the HK seem to play a lot harder then we do.
so ya, i guess there probablly is and could be several billions of gold in the game.
but then i got to thinking..... 11 years this game has been around.
that is a long time.
and the HK seem to play a lot harder then we do.
so ya, i guess there probablly is and could be several billions of gold in the game.
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The way I look at it, the ability to carry 60K+ gold, and send up to 60k per charge with a bag of sending, actually serves as a means to depreciate (if not actually eliminate, via ruining the market) RMT gold sales.
After all, why pay money when you can now actually keep the gold you loot?
People sell gold to brokers for real money. A good many of said people are dupers or scripters.
The dupers and scripters get the gold from selling illegally acquired game items.
The methods for the creation of such illegal items typically have envolved transfer-related bugs, or paying for accounts to be ran by unattended scripts, both of which get the real money from brokers, by selling the gold.
It's a classic triangle trade scenario, and if you put the gold brokers (even the legit ones) out of business, it has the side-effect of reducing (if nearly eliminating) the other legs of the triangle (scripters & dupers lose the ability to turn vended items sold in-game from gold, to real money, thereby reducing the amout of items duped or scripted, as the only real-world sales become through websites, and many (if not most) players are leery of such transactions).
If gold drops to 1 cent per million people will still buy/sell it. Gold being devalued hurts normal players more than it does people who sell it professionally.
Someone mentioned a bulk sale of gold at 25 cents per million. If you work minimum wage you can get 25 million in just one hour! The lower the price of gold the more encouraged players will be to purchase it, the higher the prices of items in the game, the less time spent actually playing the game, etc. Anyone who thinks that it gets better as the price falls doesn't understand the repercussions of inflation.
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Beer_Cayse
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hello! look at the original post in this thread, referencing just that kind of deal in an ICQ.
<shakes head>
<shakes head>
LOL, I may be wrong, but I think Kiwillian was making a point about how badly this thread was hijacked.
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Connor_Graham
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And you don't find it wrong (in a huge way) that the price of gold outside the game is a determining factor of the value of gold inside it?
Personally, I hope the gold sellers go out of business and actually have to go out and get real jobs.
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Beer_Cayse
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could be ... I hadn't had my 1st coffee of the day ... <shrug>
it is a good giggle thread, ain't it?
it is a good giggle thread, ain't it?
For some reason the banning story I'll always remember occurred pretty early on.....The shards were down for a couple of hours, and the devs reported that their anti-dupe measure would remove about 2/3 of the gold from the economy.
Hmm....I just found the original post, looks like it was actually half, not 2/3.
http://www.uo.com/cgi-bin/newstools.pl?Article=2793
Half the gold, less than 250 accounts.
I could easily be wrong but somehow I have my doubts things are that bad now. This was in the days of some pretty easy dupes, involving the Ice Dungeon entrance.
I have a feeling scripting is more of an issue now, especially since most, but not all, scripts, basically allow you to do what the game normally allows you to do, just more efficiently.
Having said that, when I hear about 4 billion gold in one player's hands? My head automatically jumps to duping more than scripting.
-Galen's player
First, I'm sure we all agree that JC's argument is terrible. There is no way in hell that gold in circulation could have tripled because of a change to gold weight.
There have always been tons of scams going around and most of them with offers to good to be true.
Personally, the ICQ Flutter received looks like the following type of scam:
Player S = scammer at 0.25 per mil
Player A = Buyer of Gold
Player B = Seller of Gold at 1.00 per mil
Player S claims to sell 1 billion at 250$.
Player A wants to buy that 1 billion and get's in contact with Player S.
Player S talks to Player B inquiring about purchasing 250 mil at 250$.
Player B accepts, Player S tells Player A to send 250$ to the following paypal email which just so happens to be Player B's.
Player B receives 250$ thinking it's from Player S and delivers 250 mil to Player S.
Player S logs out never to be seen again.
Player A get's nothing.
Player S gets 250 mil.
Player B gets 250$.
There have always been tons of scams going around and most of them with offers to good to be true.
Personally, the ICQ Flutter received looks like the following type of scam:
Player S = scammer at 0.25 per mil
Player A = Buyer of Gold
Player B = Seller of Gold at 1.00 per mil
Player S claims to sell 1 billion at 250$.
Player A wants to buy that 1 billion and get's in contact with Player S.
Player S talks to Player B inquiring about purchasing 250 mil at 250$.
Player B accepts, Player S tells Player A to send 250$ to the following paypal email which just so happens to be Player B's.
Player B receives 250$ thinking it's from Player S and delivers 250 mil to Player S.
Player S logs out never to be seen again.
Player A get's nothing.
Player S gets 250 mil.
Player B gets 250$.
If this thread makes you want to puke, come to Siege...
No crossshard = no dupe
Think about it, funny how we have seen maybe 5 heartwood fletching kits in over a year, I'm sure they have over 50 for sale on ATl at the moment.
Same goes for gold/weapons/arties/rares and all the other crap duped over the years.
No crossshard = no dupe
Think about it, funny how we have seen maybe 5 heartwood fletching kits in over a year, I'm sure they have over 50 for sale on ATl at the moment.
Same goes for gold/weapons/arties/rares and all the other crap duped over the years.
The only problem with this comparison is, "What's the difference in population?"
I'd venture to say that the population of Atlantic is a lot more than 50 times that of Siege.
Just my 2 cents worth
No kidding, Siege would win hands down. Besides...your comment to "good people" doesn't apply to me...la
Point #1: Many people are claiming that the ICQ from the original post is a scam. They are basing this belief either solely on the fact that they themselves have never possessed any amount of gold approaching 4 billion, or the misguided belief that it is somehow impossible to store and/or transfer 4 billion gold.
A.) Hundreds of thousands of players have been looting and farming gold for nearly 12 years now and funneling it into the general economy. Far more than 4 billion gold exists in the game. There are many players that have participated in rares trading, real estate, or other enterprises that has allowed them to tap into the gold farmed by the general population and thus generate large quantities of gold for themselves. Some single items and properties have sold for over 1 billion in gold in the past.
B.) Vendors can hold up to 2 billion gold each. You have one account with a house full of empty vendors, and one account that generates ungodly amounts of gold. Account A puts trash items on the vendors for, say, 100 million. Account B buys those trash items. Voila. 100 million gold is now stored on the vendor.
Point #2: JC is wrong, but not for the reasons people seem to be coming up with.
The question here is: Is the gold flow into the game increased?
At the gold spawn level? No. The same amount of gold drops now that dropped before the changes to bags of sending and gold weight.
Are more people looting their gold than before? Yes.
Is this a bad thing? No.
Well, why isn't it? Because the more gold that players can legitimately generate on their own, the less gold they need to buy from RMT operations. Which means less sales for RMT operations. Which means less RMT operations. Which means less gold entering the economy from RMT operations. Which means less gold entering the economy.
A.) Hundreds of thousands of players have been looting and farming gold for nearly 12 years now and funneling it into the general economy. Far more than 4 billion gold exists in the game. There are many players that have participated in rares trading, real estate, or other enterprises that has allowed them to tap into the gold farmed by the general population and thus generate large quantities of gold for themselves. Some single items and properties have sold for over 1 billion in gold in the past.
B.) Vendors can hold up to 2 billion gold each. You have one account with a house full of empty vendors, and one account that generates ungodly amounts of gold. Account A puts trash items on the vendors for, say, 100 million. Account B buys those trash items. Voila. 100 million gold is now stored on the vendor.
Point #2: JC is wrong, but not for the reasons people seem to be coming up with.
The question here is: Is the gold flow into the game increased?
At the gold spawn level? No. The same amount of gold drops now that dropped before the changes to bags of sending and gold weight.
Are more people looting their gold than before? Yes.
Is this a bad thing? No.
Well, why isn't it? Because the more gold that players can legitimately generate on their own, the less gold they need to buy from RMT operations. Which means less sales for RMT operations. Which means less RMT operations. Which means less gold entering the economy from RMT operations. Which means less gold entering the economy.
*THWAP*
Dude, your kidding...the poputation has nothing to do with the amount of kits on a given shard. Go down to Heartwood and look at the people doing the quest...NM have a nice day...
As I said in my post, I would concede that it is possible for a player to have 4 billion gold (although I will admit I really doubt it, 4 billion worth of items is NOT 4 billion in gold.) But as I said that is not the reason why I think it’s a scam. I think it's a scam because they are trying to sell it at below a third of the current "market value"... that is what makes it fishy.
You have the correlation backwards. The value of gold inside UO determines the value outside. There is so much gold in the game now and less people playing, that the price drops. If gold were more scarce the price would rise. If suddenly 500,000 people started playing the price would rise. That is unless some sellers are hording an obscene amount of gold.
Also people who are gold selling professionals usually start supporting other games if they haven't already. They really don't go out of business.
I didn't say that the amount of gold in the game has somehow tripled. I said that the flow of gold into the game has increased by at least 3x. Probably a lot more than that.NB-Cats said:
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Connor_Graham
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Honest players and the amount of gold they farm legitimately really has no effect on the amount of gold in UO.
Dupers and scripters are the ones dumping billions and billions of gold into the game.......and none of us has any idea how much is being added every day. Sadly I doubt the people in charge even have that info.
Dupers and scripters are the ones dumping billions and billions of gold into the game.......and none of us has any idea how much is being added every day. Sadly I doubt the people in charge even have that info.
Actually, I believe this will increase the amount of gold coming in, at a great rate. I just recently discovered the "revert" of the "nerf" of BoS. Now, I was a supporter (you know that Connor) of the "nerf" because I didn't think that BoS should have ever existed in the first place. They make it too easy. And while I understand the concerns that many players had at the time, I thought it did do a lot to curb script farming and lower the amount of gold created per day.
Smart players still looted gold however. Instead of whining about it, we adapted and looted our gold the same way we did back in 1997. We banked it. And while it worked to lessen the amount of gold the casual, UO player could bring in per hunting session, it did not really alter any experienced UO players gold flow. We just farmed the gold in different areas, and banked it. Like the old days. It really never slowed the informed player down.
Now that the easy bag is back, you will see an increase of inflation...steadily...due to the fact every single UO player can once again bag their gold in a split second. Instead of recalling, banking their gold, in 2 split seconds
Don't get me started on how easy it is for the unscrupulous to farm it, once again, unattended Yea I'm back...*bows head while walking the Hall's with a pipe, wafting a sweet, pungent odor*
Certainly it could be a scam. But if you do not think that there are players out there with BILLIONS of gold, even legitimately, you are mistaken. I've made at least a quarter billion just doing peerless in the last couple years. Thats just income from selling crap I get from peerless. If you added up all the other crap (Event items, gold farming) and the like, it would be more
Of course I've spent most of it on other crap LULZ.
I can haz cheezburger for 10 Milz! It iz full of win!!!!11!
Actually this is a good arguement. Still, fact remains that with current events, illegitimate farming will be all the easier.
But you should really replace "operations" with the word "crap". Then your arguement would be full of teh win!!!11!!
Dupers don't dupe gold (anymore)
They simply hoard it by selling off other items.
Furthermore, I know it's possible to have 4 billion but for someone to sell it off at 0.25 and only at 1 billion increments are clearly signs of a scam.
I would buy every single mil at that price if I didn't think it was a scam. He can ICQ any broker in game right now and get all his gold sold for more then he's asking...
It's clear why he hasn't done that.
They simply hoard it by selling off other items.
Furthermore, I know it's possible to have 4 billion but for someone to sell it off at 0.25 and only at 1 billion increments are clearly signs of a scam.
I would buy every single mil at that price if I didn't think it was a scam. He can ICQ any broker in game right now and get all his gold sold for more then he's asking...
It's clear why he hasn't done that.
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RavenWinterHawk
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1 billion gold isnt hard to get too.
When I do one day, I quit. I figure I win.
Anyway. Why would you buy 1 billion gold. To resell... right.
Come on.
This game has no way to dispose of gold.
Nothing to buy. Nothing to maintain.
I made 2 million last week picking up gold from champs. Come on. Would you believe you can pick up 100k cause people dont want it?
Took the 2 million and bought book bod cover dye tokens. Needed 1 million from my bank.
Break the token - you get 12 colors.
Sell the colors for 350k a scroll. That 4.2 million. I buy the tokens for 3 million.
Im on my 4th round of selling.
Profit: 2 million from spawns, 4.8 million on the scrolls. 6.8 million.
OH MY POINT. Earning gold is easy. The game fails to create ways to remove it. Until they do. BILLIONs AND BILLIONs WILL EXIST. We never loose gold only transfer it to different hands.
When I do one day, I quit. I figure I win.
Anyway. Why would you buy 1 billion gold. To resell... right.
Come on.
This game has no way to dispose of gold.
Nothing to buy. Nothing to maintain.
I made 2 million last week picking up gold from champs. Come on. Would you believe you can pick up 100k cause people dont want it?
Took the 2 million and bought book bod cover dye tokens. Needed 1 million from my bank.
Break the token - you get 12 colors.
Sell the colors for 350k a scroll. That 4.2 million. I buy the tokens for 3 million.
Im on my 4th round of selling.
Profit: 2 million from spawns, 4.8 million on the scrolls. 6.8 million.
OH MY POINT. Earning gold is easy. The game fails to create ways to remove it. Until they do. BILLIONs AND BILLIONs WILL EXIST. We never loose gold only transfer it to different hands.
Nerf merchants!
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