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Lunaticus

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Dear Hen,

From the drinking of the beer whilst watching the TV as your non-offspring monitor the computer, to the slapping of your 75 year old mother, and don't forget that script mining tantamount to killing babies in RL. . . I worship you. You are my hero!! :bowdown: If you would like two more non-offspring, I think you would be a fine example for my own! :D

Sincerely,

Lunaticus
 

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Why paging a gm doesn't work.

A little bell/ringer goes off on the script warning the person who is really there but running multiple computers and they go to the keyboard and say

"Ello Govna"
 
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Connor_Graham

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If they allowed people to script, what would be the point of playing? You're not technically "playing" if you script. What is the point of paying to log into a game and not even play? You pay to go afk and have a program play for you. Sounds like a bad investment to me...but that's just my opinion. Scripts take out the challenge of raising skills and such, and basically make the game boring. If you want to have everything done for you, without working to get there, go play on the Test Center.
They're not concerned about playing the game. The montly subscription fee is nothing more than a business investment. They take their scripted resources and sell them, then take that gold and sell it for real money. They have no concern for the game at all other than how much they can make per month in RL from doing nothing.
 

Kaleb

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Without getting this post in an uproar, I have a serious question.

Why does it matter if people script/macro to gather resources?

If it was "legal" wouldn't every player have the the ability to script if they wanted?

I know that certain programs give people an advantage in game, such as speedhacks. But macroing skills or as an example scripting mining, IMHO, doesn't affect anyone, especially if everyone can do it.

Can someone please clarify why scripting is bad? That is, other than the fact that EA says so.
I dont see scripting skills as a bad thing either way 1 day or a week that skill will be done. but.. Resources that is another thing it allows resources to enter the game at a abnormal rate causing inflation to deflation. It hurts the game economy to a degree that makes it near pointless for a new player to try to compete.
 

Thav12

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Sort of sad that the last few people paying to play this game that they all like so much, argue about how to properly play the game. Scripting is as much part of this game as gold sellers are, and has always been there in one way or another. Strangely enough, despite that fact, that one piece of elusive pixel crack still has everyone coming back. Whether they arrive at that piece of pixel crack by means of scripting, ripping people off in scams, selling gold or items, or by clicking themselves an orthopedic disease, it is insignificant. I wish more people would realize that. All of these people are players and part of the bigger economy that has allowed to grow over 11 years. Just enjoy the part you enjoy and stop being moral high riders. Corrective action should be part of the game for eggregious behaviour, just like it is now. Just don't derive any moral standing from that and feel like it is your personal duty to uphold the law. You don't call the police everytime a car passes you on the highway either... (72 mph tickets in a 70 zone, they do exist though). I personally loath pixel crack dealers far more than the occasional bot who is willing to keep his computer eyes open 23/7 to hack some trees or boink some rocks. However, I don't care if anyone asks 17 milion gp for an item. Either I go find it myself, or I just find something else. And so the ultima cookie continues to crumble. I still play the game after all these years, and do what I want to do, even if that means I am doing it in parallel to a non-communicating likely goldfarming robot.
You and I are polar opposites. I opened my account in September of 1997 and I have been here and gone quite a bit. I have been caught once illegal macroing (locking picking where 15 hours of a loop got me 1.4 skill points in the nineties). I learned my lesson and I don't wish to lose my account.

I have played a ton of other games. There are rules in a game. Regardless of whether "it has been around since the beginning" or if you think any means justify the ends, I say cheating is cheating. You can't move a pawn in any direction you choose in chess. Why would you be able to bot or macro unattended in a game where it is stated to be against the rules?

It's a difference of opinion, respect for the game, and ideals. You have your opinion, I have mine.

No you are wrong, we are not polar opposites. You and I do not disgree much. However, what I am saying is that I can not let it bother me one iota. It is clealrly wrong, as you stated. However, it is the kind of wrong where I shrug my shoulders and think "whatever". It has over all those years not deminished my enjoyment of the game one bit. I think more along these lines: If someone is speeding by your car at 100 miles an hour, while you keep to the speedlimit, I think wow, he is fast, he is likely going to get a big ticket one of these days. I still enjoy the ride home just the same. You appear to believe you have to throw your car in front of him because it somehow changes your drive home... Perhaps because you were caught cheating and feel wronged as a result (you were after all just macroing a senselessly boring skill to master), you now do not wish for anyone to speed by you. I also do not believe changing the speed limit to reflect the other persons speed is the solution either. So, don't make it "legal". However, the thing is, I actually think that, to stay with the same analogy, throwing ones car in front of the other is more annoying and dangerous than just letting this be. It interferes with the other person, who is doing something wrong, killing the joy he gets out of the game (he s paying after all, beit while cheeting some), and your game day is preoocupied with it while you could have done something you enjoyed just the same. And quite frankly, that kind of moralistic behavior is of a righteous kind that just sickens me in society at large. Who knows what skeletons live in your closet.
 

o2bavr6

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I dont see scripting skills as a bad thing either way 1 day or a week that skill will be done. but.. Resources that is another thing it allows resources to enter the game at a abnormal rate causing inflation to deflation. It hurts the game economy to a degree that makes it near pointless for a new player to try to compete.
Everyone has great reasons as to why it should not be allowed.

I guess I look at it like this: Am I incorrect to assume that everyone here who posted has at least one Mule character (tailoring, mining, lumberjack, etc)?.

If the answer is yes. Then you likely mine your own ingots and use them up your self, so how does this hurt the economy.

Is it the same for me to say: Allowing every account to have a miner, ruins the mining economy. If everyone has a miner, then who am I going to sell my ingots to?

Also, what about the new player who can only play for an hour a day. Is it fair to them to end up so far behind everyone else in the game. And take them so long to get skills up to even go anywhere, before they get discouraged and quit?

I can relate to the economic impact you are all talking about. But I also know that, 1) I don't script, and 2) the last time I bought ingots from a vendor, was about a year ago, and probably 3 years ago before that.

On a side note: Everyone talks about the economy and the impact certain things have.

Then why is it that there are metal, leather, tinker, repair deeds? Doesn't this go against the spirit of the game that you like? These deeds basically allow any player to repair items with no skill.

I personally think this impacts crafters way more than scripters do, at least in a community sense.
 

Thav12

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I dont see scripting skills as a bad thing either way 1 day or a week that skill will be done. but.. Resources that is another thing it allows resources to enter the game at a abnormal rate causing inflation to deflation. It hurts the game economy to a degree that makes it near pointless for a new player to try to compete.
Read my other reply to get my whole stance on this. However, specifically, this is of course only a half truth. Not saying you are completely wrong, but this argument does not hold.

THis game economy is broken mostly because it was never real. UA allows the purchase of tokens that are being resold for instance. These tokens inject cash into the economy at 25 milion gp per token (advanced char, transfer). You would need to chop wood for weeks, even with a macro, to get 25 mil worth of wood. In one way or another, these kind of things "damage" the economy much worse, and have done so for almost 12 years. Every item that was shipped with a special boxed version for instance did the same. And at a much higher cost to the game economy. It is not real, so it can not be broken.

Secondly, the price of wood for instance, has not changed much over all these years. If your argument holds true, the commodity involved should be dirt cheap. It is not. The price is mostly set by the price that wood has on NPC vendors. I sold boards at the moonglow bank in 1997 and 1998 for 3 to 5 gp a piece. Now you can buy 60K boards for 6gp/board on most shards. You can argue that the price should have gone up with inflation, and that it relatively has stayed behind, ergo it is cheaper now. However, the price is not fluctuating at all, not because of the inflation, but because the price at the NPC vendors is set. Quickest way to change that is to make wood 10x more expensive on NPC vendors and BOOOM wood would be 10x expensive on PC vendors as well. Proof for that is the price of ingots, which was 5-6 gp per in 1998, and now 500% higher.

It is hardly scripters that have messd up the economy, it was broken from the beginning and the same company that would have to cut out paying customers for "cheating", messes the economy up at a rate the scripters can only dream of doing.

Why is this important? Well, just play your game, whichever way you like it. Read my other post in this thread.
 

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Read my other reply to get my whole stance on this. However, specifically, this is of course only a half truth. Not saying you are completely wrong, but this argument does not hold.

THis game economy is broken mostly because it was never real. UA allows the purchase of tokens that are being resold for instance. These tokens inject cash into the economy at 25 milion gp per token (advanced char, transfer). You would need to chop wood for weeks, even with a macro, to get 25 mil worth of wood. In one way or another, these kind of things "damage" the economy much worse, and have done so for almost 12 years. Every item that was shipped with a special boxed version for instance did the same. And at a much higher cost to the game economy. It is not real, so it can not be broken.

Secondly, the price of wood for instance, has not changed much over all these years. If your argument holds true, the commodity involved should be dirt cheap. It is not. The price is mostly set by the price that wood has on NPC vendors. I sold boards at the moonglow bank in 1997 and 1998 for 3 to 5 gp a piece. Now you can buy 60K boards for 6gp/board on most shards. You can argue that the price should have gone up with inflation, and that it relatively has stayed behind, ergo it is cheaper now. However, the price is not fluctuating at all, not because of the inflation, but because the price at the NPC vendors is set. Quickest way to change that is to make wood 10x more expensive on NPC vendors and BOOOM wood would be 10x expensive on PC vendors as well. Proof for that is the price of ingots, which was 5-6 gp per in 1998, and now 500% higher.

It is hardly scripters that have messd up the economy, it was broken from the beginning and the same company that would have to cut out paying customers for "cheating", messes the economy up at a rate the scripters can only dream of doing.

Why is this important? Well, just play your game, whichever way you like it. Read my other post in this thread.
:bowdown: You took the words right out of my mount!! :thumbup1:
 
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Remyi

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Everyone has great reasons as to why it should not be allowed.

I guess I look at it like this: Am I incorrect to assume that everyone here who posted has at least one Mule character (tailoring, mining, lumberjack, etc)?.

If the answer is yes. Then you likely mine your own ingots and use them up your self, so how does this hurt the economy.

Is it the same for me to say: Allowing every account to have a miner, ruins the mining economy. If everyone has a miner, then who am I going to sell my ingots to?

Also, what about the new player who can only play for an hour a day. Is it fair to them to end up so far behind everyone else in the game. And take them so long to get skills up to even go anywhere, before they get discouraged and quit?

I can relate to the economic impact you are all talking about. But I also know that, 1) I don't script, and 2) the last time I bought ingots from a vendor, was about a year ago, and probably 3 years ago before that.

On a side note: Everyone talks about the economy and the impact certain things have.

Then why is it that there are metal, leather, tinker, repair deeds? Doesn't this go against the spirit of the game that you like? These deeds basically allow any player to repair items with no skill.

I personally think this impacts crafters way more than scripters do, at least in a community sense.

I believe the reason for adding those deeds is mostly because back in the day you had to hand your priceless gear to someone to repair it. You didn't know if you were going to get jacked or not. There were many times when I got screwed over, before I got fed up and made my own crafter. Also, people didn't tip very well for repairing their stuff.
 

o2bavr6

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I believe the reason for adding those deeds is mostly because back in the day you had to hand your priceless gear to someone to repair it. You didn't know if you were going to get jacked or not. There were many times when I got screwed over, before I got fed up and made my own crafter. Also, people didn't tip very well for repairing their stuff.
I can relate, but it still doesn't seem to be a good enough reason to me.

Don't give your items to people you don't trust. or make your own crafter, like you ended up doing. pretty easy solution huh?

Instead EA decided to help destroy the crafting profession by adding repair deeds.
 

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But this is what the game is today and scripting/macroing is illegal. And the % of scripters to non-scripters has to be really low.
This is NOT what the game is today. It is what a few cheaters are trying to make it into for their own greedy or lazy benefit.

It's bad, but if everyone was able to run a resource gathering BOT 24/7, it would be on 10,000 times worse. Deeds of 60,000 Valorite ingots and Frostwood would be worthless because everyone would already have a million of each.
 

Setnaffa

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Also, I don't know how you feel about this, but being able to only get one to two Val hammers per year properly, is beyond dumb.
This is not a game of instant gratification. If you want that, you need to move over to Unreal Tournament. There have to be elements of the game that take alot of work and time. The Val Hammer is one of those elements. I think they should be even rarer than they are.

EA forces people to cheat by the decisions they make regarding in game mechanics.
No. The decision to cheat is squarely on the shoulders of each player. Players choose to play this game, so they should abide by the rules as stated in the ToS. If a player cannot abide by those rules, they need to find a different game.

EA does this solely for money. the longer it takes for you to obtain, the longer you stay subscribed..
EA keeps players by keeping the content fresh and by making the game challenging. If everything was easy to get, players would be more likely to get bored and move on.
 

o2bavr6

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This is NOT what the game is today. It is what a few cheaters are trying to make it into for their own greedy or lazy benefit.

It's bad, but if everyone was able to run a resource gathering BOT 24/7, it would be on 10,000 times worse. Deeds of 60,000 Valorite ingots and Frostwood would be worthless because everyone would already have a million of each.
Correct me if I am wrong here, but isn't it way more difficult to almost impossible to script mine or lumberjack because the ore and wood are now random?

If they can still script these resources to the levels you are talking about, then why do we not see those amounts on vendors now?
 

o2bavr6

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This is not a game of instant gratification. If you want that, you need to move over to Unreal Tournament. There have to be elements of the game that take alot of work and time. The Val Hammer is one of those elements. I think they should be even rarer than they are.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this. You see if EA figured out a way to stop people from cheating the game mechanics, then I would agree with you. But they haven't figured out a way so some people benefit from exploiting the system,while others, like you and me, suffer from it.

No. The decision to cheat is squarely on the shoulders of each player. Players choose to play this game, so they should abide by the rules as stated in the ToS. If a player cannot abide by those rules, they need to find a different game.
That is easy for you to say, but EA has changed its own ToS over the years, so I can say the same about them considering I've been playing since 1997 when MACROING, AND CURSING, AND BEING A PLAIN OLD PAIN IN THE @$$ WAS LEGAL!!

Also in the original ToS every single game update and patch were supposed to be free.. So it's OK for EA to break their own ToS but not us!!

EA keeps players by keeping the content fresh and by making the game challenging. If everything was easy to get, players would be more likely to get bored and move on.
This is very true, but so was my statement. And as I said, I have been playing since 1997 and have seen this happen since day one... how long have you been playing?
 

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As a nice little postscript *cough* to this story, whilst meandering through the winding path that leads to Despise and the Macaroon champ, I was admiring the craggy buttresses of the Sossarian mountains draped in moonlight when lo and behold I happened upon a miner.
I KILLED HIM AND HE DIED.
 

ColterDC

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Like it or not..... Life is about competition.

How is a human being able to compete against a machine that doesn't need to take breaks, eat or even go to the bathroom. Let alone work, have a social life, etc.

Cheating in any form destroys the purpose of a game, which is to compete.

There is no justification for cheating.
 

Setnaffa

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This is very true, but so was my statement. And as I said, I have been playing since 1997 and have seen this happen since day one... how long have you been playing?
Congratulations on playing since 1997.

I created my first account in September 1997, though I took part in the beta for about a month before that. I took the day off from work the day the shards went live and created a miner. There were no illegal scripting tools available back then, but there were many serious hacks available that many cheaters took advantage of.
 

Sarsmi

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Eh I'll answer too, why not. If scripting was legal, everyone would be able to do it, so it would be fair, but it isn't legal.

Therefore it gives an advantage to players who don't mind breaking the rules. The rest of us who play by the rules have our time wasted (remember time = money, and when script harvesters create an overabundance of supply then prices go down.) When you cheat, you are wasting my game time, and time is the most precious thing we have. Someone who cheats not only steals from other people around them, but they cheat themselves out of the experience of playing the game honestly.
That is because there are so many people in Fel who script mine. All those poor miners who do it the legal way in Fel.... wait a minute... what miners in Fel? Oh you mean the 3 or 4 you may see one in a blue moon?
Everyone doesn't cheat, and even if they did, it would still be CHEATING. There's no excuse to cheat.
 

o2bavr6

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Congratulations on playing since 1997.

I created my first account in September 1997, though I took part in the beta for about a month before that. I took the day off from work the day the shards went live and created a miner. There were no illegal scripting tools available back then, but there were many serious hacks available that many cheaters took advantage of.
Nice, I'm Sept 1997 as well :) Although I didn't play beta, the friend who had me join UO did and I used to watch him.

And yes there were tools available, maybe not "scripting" tools, but there were programs like EZMacroes which allowed you to mine of fish or whatever all night long till server up while being AFK. Again, don't forget that Macroing while unattended was legal back then.

The only serious programs that caused problems were UOAssist and UOExtreme, there were no other hacks around. In fact if you remember the first server side hack ever was the black dye tubs.

The first dupes of gold were made from a GM, who was eventually fired.

Any other serious issue was due to in game bugs, like having 999 Parry or GM'ing fishing in 10 minutes from 0.
 

Thav12

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As a nice little postscript *cough* to this story, whilst meandering through the winding path that leads to Despise and the Macaroon champ, I was admiring the craggy buttresses of the Sossarian mountains draped in moonlight when lo and behold I happened upon a miner.
I KILLED HIM AND HE DIED.
As to why I don't like this little post script:

You beat the guy, now you are trying to get kudos from people around you. Righteous behaviour that leads to nothing. Don't get me wrong, kill the guy that is scripting, if that somehow fullfills a pleasure for you. What is next though? Going around sniping people that drive above the speed limit and going before a camera to gloat about it?

Nobody can argue my previous points in my previous posts, because they are true. Scripting is not what is killing the economy. Contrary to what some of the people here have stated, scripting can not break something that is already broken from the offset. There are ways to really mess up the economy, and those are generally quickly fixed by EA/Mythic (Dupes, tricks to do away with timers etc). There are also scripts that destroy the competitive aspects of PvP, unless everyone uses them. I would argue that those are bad from a competitive point of view. Let me be clear. I don't want scripting to be legal, but stop the frickin witch hunt already. In a way, hen, what you did to this miner was just. When you came here and somehow wanted to gain social stature on this board for killing him dead (killed him twice I take it), that is where you started to annoy the living bejezus out of me.

Lastly, whomever thinks that time wasted on a game equals somehow a badge of social honor is mistaken. If I would get a dollar for everyone who states that they have played since 1997 to win an argument, I would be rich and play WoW on a new PC (jk). I do honor your dedication to the game though.
 

Thav12

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Like it or not..... Life is about competition.

How is a human being able to compete against a machine that doesn't need to take breaks, eat or even go to the bathroom. Let alone work, have a social life, etc.

Cheating in any form destroys the purpose of a game, which is to compete.

There is no justification for cheating.
I would agree with you if you can tell me how you can win UO.
I play this game to enjoy myself. What happens when you win?

"Strange game Dr Falken. The only way to win this game is to not play at all"
 
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Morgana LeFay (PoV)

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I would agree with you if you can tell me how you can win UO.
I play this game to enjoy myself. What happens when you win?

"Strange game Dr Falken. The only way to win this game is to not play at all"
I can answer this one!

You "win" UO if you can find a way to get new underwear for your character in 2D. :D
 

ColterDC

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Like it or not..... Life is about competition.

How is a human being able to compete against a machine that doesn't need to take breaks, eat or even go to the bathroom. Let alone work, have a social life, etc.

Cheating in any form destroys the purpose of a game, which is to compete.

There is no justification for cheating.
I would agree with you if you can tell me how you can win UO.
I play this game to enjoy myself. What happens when you win?

"Strange game Dr Falken. The only way to win this game is to not play at all"
Don't remember saying anything about how to win UO, only mentioned competition.

Main Entry: com·pete
Pronunciation: \kəm-ˈpēt\
Function: intransitive verb

: to strive consciously or unconsciously for an objective (as position, profit, or a prize)


As you can see, competition doesn't neccesarily mean winning. Only accomplishing a goal. Well what is the point of accomplishing a goal in any aspect of UO, when some cheat happy zit machine can accomplish the same goal with 0 effort?

Makes your accomplishments meaningless, especially in an item based game, where said cheater can under cut you every time because their time/reward investment is nothing compared to someone who had to actively work to achieve the same end.

BTW....Interesting War Games quote, I find it to be very relevant to the conversation. Especially considering it applies directly to my line of thinking when it comes to UO.

If anyone ever wonders why UO is dying...... just remember the phrase "No one like to play with cheaters".
 

Thav12

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I understand the difference between winning and competing. The reason you like the war games quote is ultimately the same reason I like it. Competition in this game is not defined, hence my question what happens when you win the competetion. I find this game excedingly challenging on many levels, and in none of these aspects do scripters really matter. They are irrelevant in my way of thinking about it. I think this game in that sense resembles checkers. The moves are not infinite, but it requires a lot of multi-step thinking to get better at what ever it is you are trying to achieve.

I conceded that when hacking and scripting interferes directly with your competition, eg. a speed hack, or a rapid fire healing/pot chugging script, it hurts you in the competing sense of this game. (it does not hurt me one bit by the way when I am trying to come up with the perfect template to beat a Peerless solol. )When it comes to hauling ingots from mountains, it is your choice to get them from an NPC, a scipter, an honest friend or mine them yourself. Unless you are competing who can get the most ingots / hr out of the game (that one you will loose to a scripter), you are a winner in every other aspect you choose to compete in, since you define your own competition. THe argument that the scripter causes your stuff to be more expensive only goes so far. I explained that pretty clearly in pevious posts in this thread.

As far as the reason why this game would be dying. I am not sure it is, I think it is surviving against all odds. Look around, how many 11-12 year old games are still being played by so many people? I think that makes UO a winner in itself. Clearly, despite the scripting and cheating, it provides so much that people still spend hours of their time playing and arguing over this game. I think it is not dying at all, I think it is as alive as it possibly can be. You, me and all these other jokers on this forum are the proof of that. It's a classic!
 

hen

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As to why I don't like this little post script:

You beat the guy, now you are trying to get kudos from people around you. Righteous behaviour that leads to nothing. Don't get me wrong, kill the guy that is scripting, if that somehow fullfills a pleasure for you. What is next though? Going around sniping people that drive above the speed limit and going before a camera to gloat about it?

Nobody can argue my previous points in my previous posts, because they are true. Scripting is not what is killing the economy. Contrary to what some of the people here have stated, scripting can not break something that is already broken from the offset. There are ways to really mess up the economy, and those are generally quickly fixed by EA/Mythic (Dupes, tricks to do away with timers etc). There are also scripts that destroy the competitive aspects of PvP, unless everyone uses them. I would argue that those are bad from a competitive point of view. Let me be clear. I don't want scripting to be legal, but stop the frickin witch hunt already. In a way, hen, what you did to this miner was just. When you came here and somehow wanted to gain social stature on this board for killing him dead (killed him twice I take it), that is where you started to annoy the living bejezus out of me.

Lastly, whomever thinks that time wasted on a game equals somehow a badge of social honor is mistaken. If I would get a dollar for everyone who states that they have played since 1997 to win an argument, I would be rich and play WoW on a new PC (jk). I do honor your dedication to the game though.
Social stature lol that's a new one. Couldn't give a caber's toss wee man.
 

Cailleach

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Everyone doesn't cheat, and even if they did, it would still be CHEATING. There's no excuse to cheat.


That's one way of putting it. The other is the way I put it to my kids when they say "but everyone else does..." I ask them whether they'd follow if everyone else jumped off a cliff or under a bus. Everyone else doing it is not a reason, it's an excuse, and a pretty poor one at that.
 

Thav12

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Social stature lol that's a new one. Couldn't give a caber's toss wee man.
Then why post it here? And why then call me a "wee man"? It is exactly the reason you do it. You feel better then others, and me, by doing it, and want that acknowledged here on the boards. You call others "wee". You proof me right, right here. And if you had read any of my posts, you know that that is exactly why I don't like this behavior.
 

hen

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Then why post it here? And why then call me a "wee man"? It is exactly the reason you do it. You feel better then others, and me, by doing it, and want that acknowledged here on the boards. You call others "wee". You proof me right, right here. And if you had read any of my posts, you know that that is exactly why I don't like this behavior.

Where did I say I killed a script miner wee man?
 

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Where did I say I killed a script miner wee man?
how is this question relevant? You came to the boards and posted a story about how you killed a miner, and that somehow made you feel good I am assuming. I am reacting to your posting that statement, and to your original posting that was also (suggestive of?) a complaint against scripters. And repeating your "wee man" thing, does nothing but proof my point over and over. I can't even really argue with you doing this kind of thing. If this is why you play the game, well, great! I don't like it, but there is so much I don't like about so many things, like scripting and luna vendors and getting blood oathed. I just keep playing the game and can not really get bothered by anyone who is doing anything in this sandbox game. My only reason to reply here in this thread, is because I truly hate self-righteousness, and not just in the game. It leads to nothing but divisions and hatred, and ultimately war and death.
 

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how is this question relevant? You came to the boards and posted a story about how you killed a miner, and that somehow made you feel good I am assuming. I am reacting to your posting that statement, and to your original posting that was also (suggestive of?) a complaint against scripters. And repeating your "wee man" thing, does nothing but proof my point over and over. I can't even really argue with you doing this kind of thing. If this is why you play the game, well, great! I don't like it, but there is so much I don't like about so many things, like scripting and luna vendors and getting blood oathed. I just keep playing the game and can not really get bothered by anyone who is doing anything in this sandbox game. My only reason to reply here in this thread, is because I truly hate self-righteousness, and not just in the game. It leads to nothing but divisions and hatred, and ultimately war and death.
It was you I killed last night wasn't it wee man? You were out innocently mining and I stuck enough arrows in you to give your hideous cadaver the appearance of a ghoulish colander that may be used by some ogre who was gm chef. I am truly sorry wee man. I cradled you in my arms, as I would cradle my favourite ewe, as the life blood poured out of you and stained the ancient earth below. And although as I took your thirty five ingots from your pack I said "har har", I should have said sorry. Sossaria is a beautiful place, but a cruel place where a man's corpereal remains turn to dust within fourteen minutes.
As I walk through Despise pass tonight and ponder the song of the nightingale and the screech of the owl, I shall lay a rose on your grave.
Rest well wee man.
 

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Where did I say I killed a script miner wee man?
As a nice little postscript *cough* to this story, whilst meandering through the winding path that leads to Despise and the Macaroon champ, I was admiring the craggy buttresses of the Sossarian mountains draped in moonlight when lo and behold I happened upon a miner.
I KILLED HIM AND HE DIED.
Doesn't mention script miner.... but a miner for sure.
 
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It was you I killed last night wasn't it wee man? You were out innocently mining and I stuck enough arrows in you to give your hideous cadaver the appearance of a ghoulish colander that may be used by some ogre who was gm chef. I am truly sorry wee man. I cradled you in my arms, as I would cradle my favourite ewe, as the life blood poured out of you and stained the ancient earth below. And although as I took your thirty five ingots from your pack I said "har har", I should have said sorry. Sossaria is a beautiful place, but a cruel place where a man's corpereal remains turn to dust within fourteen minutes.
As I walk through Despise pass tonight and ponder the song of the nightingale and the screech of the owl, I shall lay a rose on your grave.
Rest well wee man.
Oh Hen. I am so glad you are back. You have been sorely missed :D
 

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You're just being facetious, and you don't say why it's bad?

So why is it bad in your mind?

If only a select few people in the game could do it, then it would be bad.

But if it was legal, and we could all do it, then how is that bad?
If it was legal and we could all do it...um...

It wouldn't be illegal.

But it is illegal...at least right now.

So doing it is considered "Cheating" right now.

If the rules changed, and they said people could play the game legally with mindless bots, then cool.

I guess.

But for now, it is "Against the Rules"...and that, in and of itself, makes it bad.

I hope that adequately addresses your question.
 
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what miners in Fel? Oh you mean the 3 or 4 you may see one in a blue moon?
Good Fel miners don't get seen, that's what keeps them in business. Shame on you for going looking for them anyway, you big bully!

Why do you care what people think of your cheating? You're going to do it anyway, right? You say you are "forced" into it as dictated by EA's game mechanics, right? So why do you feel this need to justify your actions? Could it be you still have a lingering shred of decency that is uncomfortable with the idea of cheating? Do you need to convince yourself? Because nobody's really buying it, apart from one or two of your fellow cheats.
 

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Ya know I got to thinking while I sat here and read this thread and all the attitudes about cheating.

I got some questions for the "Who-cares-if someone-cheats-crowd".

You say that because its "ONLY A GAME" who cares if someone cheats?

Well the Olympics are "JUST GAMES" yet millions and millions of dollars are spent on better testing so as to know that atheletes are not doping aka CHEATING!

How about MLB(Major League Baseball)? Its "ONLY A GAME". Yet Cheating aka STEROID abuse has forever ruined the great American pastime. It got so out of control that a CONGRESSIONAL investigation was launched!

I could go on and on about cheating in other various sports including horse racing!!

The point is yeah cheating happens, but YOU have a choice!
You can be part of the problem or part of the solution the choice is yours alone.

Know this, those who are part of the problem are almost almost always exposed to public scrutiny.

I choose to be part of the solution; I choose not to cheat! I choose to help the game developers find way to combat cheating. That is MY CHOICE!

Your choice is yours, and ultimately you live with the consquences of you actions even the smallest ones.

I guess its like that old expression:Winners never cheat and Cheaters NEVER win!
 

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Taking steroids is illegal irl. Scripting in UO is not illegal irl. Learn to use logic...it'll help in discussions like this...la
 
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It was you I killed last night wasn't it wee man? You were out innocently mining and I stuck enough arrows in you to give your hideous cadaver the appearance of a ghoulish colander that may be used by some ogre who was gm chef. I am truly sorry wee man. I cradled you in my arms, as I would cradle my favourite ewe, as the life blood poured out of you and stained the ancient earth below. And although as I took your thirty five ingots from your pack I said "har har", I should have said sorry. Sossaria is a beautiful place, but a cruel place where a man's corpereal remains turn to dust within fourteen minutes.
As I walk through Despise pass tonight and ponder the song of the nightingale and the screech of the owl, I shall lay a rose on your grave.
Rest well wee man.
OMG...hehe, I found this so hilarious.

If anyone hasn't read this thread yet, it's great.;)

my hero = hen :danceb:
 

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to get back to the original question, scripting more than likely but dont bother reporting it as no action is ever taken so im afraid you just have to swallow hard and kill or block recall sites and move on. shouldnt be like that but hell it is that way.:danceb:
 
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