Siege Perilous

[Queen Amy]

My two cents:

UO was appealing to me because it involved skill, instead of a lot of other MMORPG's where you sit on your ass and level up to 50...

I don't think [faction gear] should be cheaper, that doesn't balance the game for people who aren't in factions. It affects all players who fight, not just factioners. So it should either not have name tags (which is basically insurance in the aspect of loot) or just not be there.

I agree with Chippy.

While you're at it, make the uber faction gear usable to anyone who loots it, not just to factions players. If they use it to raid our spawns, why shouldn't we be able to use it if we get lucky and kill one of them?

 

[Queen Amy]

I'd be MORE than happy if they removed all item properties and moved this game back to UOR.

I would LOVE that!

 

[Speedy Orkit]

I agree with Chippy.

While you're at it, make the uber faction gear usable to anyone who loots it, not just to factions players. If they use it to raid our spawns, why shouldn't we be able to use it if we get lucky and kill one of them?

Only problem with that is...we risk losing those items to you, and risk going in stat loss to other players. I think if we were to make them wearable by anyone, then they should be obtainable by anyone. I've always thought stat loss should effect everyone that dies though, and not just factioners....it's annoying when you're fighting 10v3 and you kill people, but can't keep them out of the fight because they get rezzed and double click their body before you can loot anything.

 

[ColterDC]

I'd be MORE than happy if they removed all item properties and moved this game back to UOR. Even though I know 99% of the shard couldn't compete and would quit.

I've always thought that as well.

They should remove all the post AoS properties from Siege.

You should be able to put on some GM made armor and pick up a weapon and go fight.

Requiring people to PvM for hours on end just to PvP, which is all they want to do in the first place, is idiotic.

 

[FrejaSP]

I feel it's wrong you have to be in faction to PvP.
The item may be ok but they should not be a carrot to make players join Faction.

It's fair enouch, they are expensive but it should be possible for non factions to farm to get some too with same powerful mods.

Non factions players should not hve disadvantage in PvP.

Maybe it would be best to remove this items from Siege

 

[Kat]

I've always thought that as well.

They should remove all the post AoS properties from Siege.

You should be able to put on some GM made armor and pick up a weapon and go fight.

Requiring people to PvM for hours on end just to PvP, which is all they want to do in the first place, is idiotic.

IMO, there is no greater truth! I would have ZERO problem with removing all AoS properties/weapons/armor from Siege.

 

[Anon McDougle]

So i am confused you cant only fight others who feel like you do ? IE only guys who wear plain arom weapons etc etc siege is empty go to town XXX set up shop with like minded folk have all the old school battles you like if a new fangled whippersnapper comes along gank his ass. i hear everyone saying they dont want this dont need that yet they all still use and have it why not just say no ??

 

[Kat]

So i am confused you cant only fight others who feel like you do ? IE only guys who wear plain arom weapons etc etc siege is empty go to town XXX set up shop with like minded folk have all the old school battles you like if a new fangled whippersnapper comes along gank his ass. i hear everyone saying they dont want this dont need that yet they all still use and have it why not just say no ??

Its simple. Everyone wants a level playing field. Have you ever tried to get an entire shard to agree upon such things and avoid using certain items? Its impossible.

 

[Turtle]

Now was it that I went back to playing Atl, or was it that me and OiNland/Champs/NFC and the rest of the guilds I was in ran you off the shard because the best guild you ever came into was HOG?

I was in OiN in 1998, well before you.
I was in Champs the day it started, well before you.
I was in NfC in 1999, well before you.

Please get a clue for once Speedy.

 

[Turtle]

Its simple. Everyone wants a level playing field. Have you ever tried to get an entire shard to agree upon such things and avoid using certain items? Its impossible.

Which is why this whole thread is ridiculous. No one will ever agree, the people who can't compete i.e. KOC, Speedy will always cry about the game no matter what changes are made.
People have been crying about something being unbalanced since Beta so please spare us the cries and just play or don't play.

 

[Kage]

Which is why this whole thread is ridiculous. No one will ever agree, the people who can't compete i.e. KOC, Speedy will always cry about the game no matter what changes are made.
People have been crying about something being unbalanced since Beta so please spare us the cries and just play or don't play.

Says the guy playing the stealth ninja tamer with a super dragon running max DCI, HPR, HPI, EP, and wolf form

 

[Speedy Orkit]

I was in OiN in 1998, well before you.
I was in Champs the day it started, well before you.
I was in NfC in 1999, well before you.

Please get a clue for once Speedy.

I don't want to argue with you D, but there is a reason you were in those guilds for such a short time, about like every guild.


And UO has always had imbalances:

First there was the insta hit hally, then came townies, then came axers, then fencers with valorite spears, then double strike/pain spike kids, then the lance/necro, then the holy light/DP guys, etc etc.


But nothing has never been as bad as this, except maybe word of death archers, and those were fixed, so why not this?

 

[Turtle]

Says the guy playing the stealth ninja tamer with a super dragon running max DCI, HPR, HPI, EP, and wolf form

So what your saying is don't make a good template, make one that sucks then cry about everyone else?

 

[Turtle]

I don't want to argue with you D, but there is a reason you were in those guilds for such a short time, about like every guild.

You have no idea how long I was in any of those guild. Please stop opening your mouth w/o knowing what the **** your talking about.
I have never been kicked from any guild, regardless of what you are trying to imply.
Again, just shut your mouth, your fail rate cannot exceed 100% no matter how hard you try.

 

[TheScoundrelRico]

ibtl...la

 

[Tjalle]

IMO, there is no greater truth! I would have ZERO problem with removing all AoS properties/weapons/armor from Siege.

Add me to that list!

 

[TheScoundrelRico]

IMO, there is no greater truth! I would have ZERO problem with removing all AoS properties/weapons/armor from Siege.

Add me to that list!

/signed...la

 

[quazion]

Please guys take your personal wars some where else and lets get back on topic!

 

[Duskofdead]

The more I read SP posts the more they sound like just the male version of locking 12 international supermodel diva chicks in a room for reality TV.

 

[kelmo]

The more I read SP posts the more they sound like just the male version of locking 12 international supermodel diva chicks in a room for reality TV.

*chuckles* Not all Siege folk are like this. It just seems like it.

 

[Chippyrat]

You people plead and beg for balance, and the way I see how a lot of you want it 'balanced' is by making uber items more obtainable, and more 'insurable' for a certain few(factioners seem to be the majority of siege pvpers)

If you wanna keep your uber items thats fine, but I chose my own playstile as you all do too, it should be balanced for everyone, or no one. (same thing anyways)

Possible solutions:

-Faction gear can be usable by everyone, if i have a nice set of armor or weapons, you can kill me and loot it, why can't i do that to you.

-Have faction gear not apply towards combat with non factioners.

-Remove it completely on siege (which is a drastic undesirable measure)

-Anything that balances it for all play styles, you can't have a group of playstyles that rely on items as opposed to player skill - there needs to be a balance between mechanics and the player skill aspect (yes thats hard, but it's necessary on a shard like siege especially)

 

[rwek]

I have the ultimate answer...


Die less.

 

[kelmo]

I have the ultimate answer...


Die less.

*nods* I am efforting that. *cleans beer mug*

 

[Lord_Puffy]

It must not be to big of a deal. After reading alot of mixed responses and seeing that only 20-30 people seem to have a problem with the items it cant be that big of a problem, or you'd most likely have alot more than 20-30 players saying to change it. Im just going by what I read, and 20-30 people doesnt seem like a legitimate enough reason to change the game. If there are more players out there who share the same feelings then maybe one of you might want to point them to this thread and ask them to share their feelings. Because I highly doubt 20-30 people are going to even get a reponse let alone get anywhere. Its EA, they have been like this for years it is expected after all this time for them to do nothing.

Ive been wrong before so who knows but I still doubt 20-30 players will impact the devs enough to change anything. Strength is in #'s you guys should know that!

And another small suggestion, a poll maybe?

 

[shipwrek]

I have no interest in playing in factions but am working on pvp skills and enjoy that aspect of the game a great deal.. however, getting "ganked" by a single faction player while they walk around a spawn using monster ignore with over-powered faction armor is really generating a great deal of "suck" in the game.

Yeah yeah, I know some of you are godly pvpers and can beat a troop of faction-geared folks naked and armed only with a dagger, with both hands tied behind your back. Let me remind you that you are not a typical player.

I still like the game, I'm doing less. I've gone from doing nightly spawns to not having done one in a couple of weeks because of the above...

my 2 cents.

 

[Lord_Puffy]

The more I read SP posts the more they sound like just the male version of locking 12 international supermodel diva chicks in a room for reality TV.

*chuckles* Not all Siege folk are like this. It just seems like it.

But the majority of it is, Just check out the siege perilous forums. They speak for themselves.

 

[kelmo]

But the majority of it is, Just check out the siege perilous forums. They speak for themselves.

*smiles* You speak for yourself. It is relatively easy to avoid the Drama. Just have a bit of self control.

 

[a ghoul]

get rid off all the artifacts & the siege bless....you worried about losing your faction crap when you die well hop on prodo and insure it. if you're playing siege you shouldn't even have the desire to equip this junk, why? because lets step back in time before the faction arties and before the cursed arti event..we had fun then didn't we? WHY make siege more like prodo...........

 

[kelmo]

My best idea yet is to have the faction chests accept enemy armor as silver.

 

[IanJames]

I have no interest in playing in factions but am working on pvp skills and enjoy that aspect of the game a great deal.. however, getting "ganked" by a single faction player while they walk around a spawn using monster ignore with over-powered faction armor is really generating a great deal of "suck" in the game.

Yeah yeah, I know some of you are godly pvpers and can beat a troop of faction-geared folks naked and armed only with a dagger, with both hands tied behind your back. Let me remind you that you are not a typical player.

I still like the game, I'm doing less. I've gone from doing nightly spawns to not having done one in a couple of weeks because of the above...

my 2 cents.

I have to agree with this. Everyone is suffering from the faction arties on our shard. I would have to say let's just get rid of them on Siege. Our boards are filled with people pissing over who is going to sell/give/trash other's faction arties. They aren't fighting because they are spending their spare time farming silver. When they can't fight other factioners they gank PVM'ers with their faction gear on. It's ruined the market for doom farmed cursed arties. The whole thing is just stupid.

I'm down with Speedy's suggestion for going back to UO:R style item properties, but I know it won't ever happen.

Something needs to change for Siege.

 

[Kaleb]

It must not be to big of a deal. After reading alot of mixed responses and seeing that only 20-30 people seem to have a problem with the items it cant be that big of a problem,

Well that is the population of siege isnt it?

 

[Turtle]

Well that is the population of siege isnt it?

You beat me to it

 

[Lord_Puffy]

*smiles* You speak for yourself. It is relatively easy to avoid the Drama. Just have a bit of self control.

Which none seem to have there, as I said before they speak for themselves and if you look. Im thinking that Im not the one whos starting the "epic fail" threads.

That is your ever so mature compadres.

 

[Lord_Puffy]

Well that is the population of siege isnt it?

I dont know I dont play there but from what everyone has been saying lately its prolly closer to 100.

But Im no longer allow'd to talk about sieges population because the mods seem to get all pissy when I speak the truth of there being a total of 50 people to kill. I guess they dont seem to think it builds community. But when theres no community how does one build?

Cmon kelmo, If you build it they will come, IM sure you filled that guildhouse up you had in your sig with people from another server alrdy! :gun:

 

[Førsaken]

Overall opinion: Make Siege Pre AoS!

Speedy: Don't try to be the one man army, dismount isn't your friend, gank situations won't always be your friend. Wait for the A team, if they're not around, do something else-Don't die.

D: Every thread that has you in it, you do nothing but show your infatuation with KOC. We're the party, you're the kid hanging around in the background.

Puffy: You don't play Siege, you won't ever change, and you prove this each and every day. Come on now Superboy...who are you fooling? *flex*

Random UHall kids: You post about SP's style of posting? Give us a break, you guys are far worse and just tend to do it on other forums. Go read HOT's forum (Atlantic), want to see a bunch of kids with their epeens out, measuring stick in hand? You don't think it's like that on every server? Get over yourselves.

p.s.

 

[Turtle]

Speedy: Don't try to be the one man army, dismount isn't your friend, gank situations won't always be your friend. Wait for the A team, if they're not around, do something else-Don't die.

Translation: Don't ever fight outnumbered or you will lose, we always lose, we are KOC.

D: Every thread that has you in it, you do nothing but show your infatuation with KOC. We're the party, you're the kid hanging around in the background.

I could say the same about you always posting about me. Do I need a restraining order?

Puffy: You don't play Siege, you won't ever change, and you prove this each and every day. Come on now Superboy...who are you fooling? *flex*

You don't play SP either, you play Atlantic remember?

 

[Gwendar-SP]

Remove the faction items from Siege. They don't belong here and neither do the blessed spellbooks with properties.

 

[TheScoundrelRico]

neither do the blessed spellbooks

*fixed*...la

 

[Scuzzlebutt]

- Bring the cost back to 1x, the way it was before. That way a person can farm a decent suit in only 1-2 hours.

This

 

[Førsaken]

Puffy: You don't play Siege, you won't ever change, and you prove this each and every day. Come on now Superboy...who are you fooling? *flex*

You don't play SP either, you play Atlantic remember?

No, actually I don't remember. Didn't know you were attempting to keep a daily blog of me. Get your facts straight, learn to play a mage, come talk to me when you do.

 

[Gwendar-SP]

*fixed*...la

I have just been told they haven't been fixed. Player made books aren't blessed, tokono books aren't blessed, grimswold isn't blessed,
the ones from the museum aren't blessed. The uber books from the invasion are.

 

[Petra Fyde]

you've misunderstood Rico's *fixed*. He's not saying the books are fixed, he's editing your comment from 'blessed spellbooks with properties' to 'blessed spellbooks'.

Rico wants *everything* unblessed. No spell books, no runebooks, nothing. Under his rules you would lose everything when you died and be reduced to walking back from wherever you died.
Or I suppose staying put till rescued if you died on somewhere like Fire Island where there's no way off for a naked char with no spell to gate.

 

[TheScoundrelRico]

help/stuck...la

 

[Albertus]

Get rid of faction items on siege.

Faction players get arties that give you a HUGE bonus in pvp combat.
Non faction players do not. At least on prodo shards non-faction players can acquire and use and bless artifacts, we can't on siege so we rarely use them.

I agree. Get rid of faction items on Siege.

 

[Critical Gaming]

So if my Enemy wears DCI of 80% and never hit him with my archer its because i lack playing skills that i cant kill him? Or if i get a suit and some items to increase my HCI to 50 or something and i am able to kill him its not skill?

A huge reason why these are being bashed into the ground by players like you is that you don't understand game mechanics. You aren't the only one either, and people like you make ignorant posts like this that don't contribute to anything except getting the rest of the ******* riled up.

70 DCI = HLD proof. Quazion, you were always a ****ty archer and you never ran HLD, so this doesn't even effect you. 70 DCI = 45 DCI after HLD, which also means that if you run 45 HCI vs 70 DCI, you still have a 50/50% chance to hit. Same mechanics with HLA apply to HCI.

Now, for my gold pieces:

Make them wearable by anyone. Not only will that increase player bartering for easy2get gear, but it will drastically improve the quantity/quality of PvP on siege, which at the moment, is basically non-existant.

You can listen to these people all you want saying that it will ruin the game or whatever, but lets face it, Siege is dead, and the only way to get enjoyment out of a ruleset that was meant for pre-aos in this day and age is to flood it with faction arties so people don't have to spend 2 weeks getting together a suit to fight, then not fight unless they're guaranteed a win, in fear of losing a suit they worked so hard to get. 90% of these "vets" can't handle the ruleset so they choose to just not play, and that = the death of siege.

 

[IanJames]

There's obviously a problem with faction items on Siege, if there weren't then the current non-faction server war wouldn't be as popular as it is.

My order of preference

1) get rid of the faction items
2) make faction items no more powerful than their artifact cousin. why is the faction crimson better than the regular crimson?
3)Get rid of the owner tag
4)Make them turn in-able for silver or something

 

[Sir Daniel]

remove them and lets go back to the old days.

 

[D'Amavir]

DEVs, fix faction arties. A full mage suit here costs around 75k silver, and you lose it when you die. I've played here forever, and I know we are the vet shard, made to be tougher, but isn't losing the items after farming them loss enough, should we really need to farm for 6-8 hours for a single suit? I have a few suggestions, as I am a faction player and exclusively PvP.

- Delete the items totally.

- Bring the cost back to 1x, the way it was before. That way a person can farm a decent suit in only 1-2 hours.

- Upon a faction players death, make a portion of the silver they put in their suit go to the victors bank
In example: Fred is wearing 14k in faction silver. Fred dies to Bob, Bob has 7k silver placed in his bank, and Freds items dissapear on death.

Come to prod shards, faction items there are cheap....la!

I know, a pointless comment but since it happens on every prod shard thread I figured it was due here too.

Seriously though, I would have thought that people are Siege are there because they want MORE people to fight with and interact with. Not less. At least that's what I hear from every Siege player on these boards.

If that is the case, I would have thought that dry looting someone after they died of all of their faction gear would just defeat the idea of having more people to interact with. It sounds more like a player issue than a developer issue to me. If players are going out of their way to act like total jerks and dry looting their 'victims' of items that they can't even turn around and use, then no wonder no one (by no one I mean most people) don't want to play there.

Loot regs and potions and bandages, sure. But to loot faction items just to keep someone from being able to fight until they farm forever to replace them? Sounds cheesy.

 

[Scopulus Falco]

I'd be MORE than happy if they removed all item properties and moved this game back to UOR. Even though I know 99% of the shard couldn't compete and would quit.

This.....But i don't think players would leave.

 

[D'Amavir]

This.....But i don't think players would leave.

I think some people might leave. But those would mostly be the types you see on these boards that are part of major guilds that makes it easy for them to get the suber (that's super uber) items so they can go after people in normal gear and have a better chance at winning.

Many more people would stick around and actually take part in things like pvp if it was more about what you knew and how you played as opposed to what your wear. At least that's my opinion.