Healing of Champion Bosses!

[Madrid]

The ability of players to heal Champion Bosses after they have sustained damages bringing it back to full health.

Is this intended or is this an oversight that needs fixxing pronto?

I think it's absolute garbage but I'm interested in hearing the DEV's official position on this.

If this has been discussed in detail I apologize in advance and ask you to direct me to the proper thread if you can.

 

[DevilsOwn]

thought you could heal anything as long as you were willing to accept the flag? could be wrong, I very often am

 

[kelmo]

It is a good tactic. If you don't want the Champ healed, kill it or kill the healers. *nods*

 

[Sprago]

The ability of players to heal Champion Bosses after they have sustained damages bringing it back to full health.

Is this intended or is this an oversight that needs fixxing pronto?

I think it's absolute garbage but I'm interested in hearing the DEV's official position on this.

If this has been discussed in detail I apologize in advance and ask you to direct me to the proper thread if you can.

Im assuming you got raided and they healed before they killed it meaning you got no scrolls. LOL yes this is intended you can heal anything as long as you are willing to flag.

 

[laurlo]

yep..

 

[JC the Builder]

It is intentional by design. The code was worked purposefully so when the champion reaches maximum health the attacker list is wiped.

 

[Madrid]

It is intentional by design. The code was worked purposefully so when the champion reaches maximum health the attacker list is wiped.

Ridiculous.

 

[mutau]

Why is it ridiculous? If you want your scrolls, fight for it, kill it, defend it, if not, then get out of fel. simple.

 

[Madrid]

Why is it ridiculous? If you want your scrolls, fight for it, kill it, defend it, if not, then get out of fel. simple.

I don't want to go to Felucca only I'm forced if I want to get my hands on 120 Powerscrolls or pay through the nose in Luna because that is how the current system is set up.

I have no desire to engage in part of the game that has been absolutely watered down to no end with special moves ie dismounting garbage. PvP today is an absolute crock compared to the UO:R era where actual 'skill' was involved. PvP needs a complete overhaul.

Add to that the vast majority of players that do engage in PvP are complete "punk kids" that have absolutely no class. It is my wish and my perogative to distance myself from these "Punk Kids/Greifers/ Anti-Social misfits" players as I have no desire to have any interaction with them and that includes engaging in PvP with them especially under the current system.

I have no desire to chummy up, create, and organize a group of players or guild at this juncture in UO in order to compete for Powerscrolls within the current PvP system.

With all that being I've yet to see one good reason why Powerscrolls are limited only to Felucca and why the current system is set up to completely nullify the time and effort those players put in who actually work the spawn in order retrieve the powerscrolls.

If the Dev's want to promote PvP then they need to change it back to something similiar to what it was during UO:R and not make Powerscrolls PvP related.

And PvP in my mind has always meant competing on a level playing field testing your metal to see how good you are at PvP'ing that is not what occurs in most scenerios during a raid at a Champ Spawn. A larger group usually swarms in on a smaller and less experienced/seasoned group of players. Numbers wins bottom line...

Anyhow I'm of the opinion that the healing of Champion Bosses is total garbage. I don't care if all of stratics posters or everyplayer in UO thinks it's a good thing.

It's ridiculous.

 

[Lord Kotan]

I don't want to go to Felucca only I'm forced if I want to get my hands on 120 Powerscrolls or pay through the nose in Luna because that is how the current system is set up.

I have no desire to engage in part of the game that has been absolutely watered down to no end with special moves ie dismounting garbage. PvP today is an absolute crock compared to the UO:R era where actual 'skill' was involved. PvP needs a complete overhaul.
QUOTE]

/sign

 

[Intoxication]

I am a 29 year old mother of two young boys and i LOVE to PvP.
So when you say its all just young punk kids you may wanna learn what you are talking about before you talk.

 

[walter_mitty]

obviously you were raided and got wiped out, then stayed around to see if you had a chance at an artie,

but then noticed the champ being healed up lol, and you got nothing,
are you in llts lol

just stay out of fel dude if you cant handle it

 

[Flutter]

Even if the champ gets healed up you still have a chance to get a replica/deco item as long as you worked the spawn.

If you're there for scrolls then you're out of luck as most raiding guilds will heal it up to get max scrolls from the raid.

You're right when you say PvP is a joke now. Problem is it's beyond fixing. It is what it is now.

 

[Madrid]

I am a 29 year old mother of two young boys and i LOVE to PvP.
So when you say its all just young punk kids you may wanna learn what you are talking about before you talk.

I said vast majority and I've played UO since it's Beta and know damn well what I'm talking about when it comes to the changes that have been made to PvP and I want no part of it in it's current state.

I have my opinions and people have theirs and I'm fine with that even if everyone thinks I'm off my rocker. There are many many good people that play this game and there's alot of 'jerks'.

Flutter is probably right that it is what it is...

Walter Mitty or walter mitty....your a prime example of what I'm talking about.

Done posting in this thread. Not going to argue or nitpick responses as it's not constructive. I've stated my position everyone is entiltled to theirs.

 

[Anon McDougle]

A. PS are cheap even a 120 mage is what 15 or so

B. i have found 2 120 mage at IDOC so there is more than go to fel or buy

you choose to make this an issue for yourself

 

[walter_mitty]

Walter Mitty or walter mitty....your a prime example of what I'm talking about.

cant we all be friends lol

 

[Omnius]

I laugh when I hear the childish whines about pvp in champ spawns. PvP was intended kids, You can engage in the current system or simply stop playing UO.

 

[Speedy Orkit]

I always wondered why they didn't make an all Tram shard to push them off into.

 

[Chrille]

Since when we got the replica drops, you also get scrolls from just working the spawn. Just have to be on same subserver when champ dies. Had a red caracter with us which got a 20 something, for just working spawn. He also got a replica drop the spawn before that.

 

[Magdalene]

Play nice, people.
No namecalling, please.
(BTW, I used to PvP too, and I ain't no punk or kid, OK?)

 

[walter_mitty]

Since when we got the replica drops, you also get scrolls from just working the spawn. Just have to be on same subserver when champ dies. Had a red caracter with us which got a 20 something, for just working spawn. He also got a replica drop the spawn before that.

i highly dought that he got a 120 from working spawn, either him or you is telling porkys. i call shenanigans on you.

shenanigans​

 

[Omnius]

he's not lying thats been a problem since the latest publish kid.

 

[walter_mitty]

he's not lying thats been a problem since the latest publish kid.

with the replicas yes and the sots and 105 scrolls
but not with 110 115 or 120 scrolls......................... kid
you have to kill the champ for them to appear in your pack


take a look in the mirror kid and read you entry in who's nobody

 

[Surgeries]

with the replicas yes and the sots and 105 scrolls
but not with 110 115 or 120 scrolls......................... kid
you have to kill the champ for them to appear in your pack


take a look in the mirror kid and read you entry in who's nobody

Gawd I LOVE watching some....SOME...PvPers call each other names, and try to show us all how l33t they are!!

 

[walter_mitty]

Gawd I LOVE watching some....SOME...PvPers call each other names, and try to show us all how l33t they are!!

and the most pointless post of the year award goes to surgeries
congratulations and well done

 

[Dryke GL]

I laugh when I hear the childish whines about pvp in champ spawns. PvP was intended kids, You can engage in the current system or simply stop playing UO.

Be careful what you wish for. Enough people taking your advice will hasten the end of UO, and then you will be the one forced to deal with the consequences.

There are legitimate complaints about the current state of PvP (scripting/hacks, etc) that have been fully presented and argued about in other threads. Nothing kills your fun like trying your hand at PvP (or, perhaps, simply risking PvP while pursuing some other goal such as champ spawns) and getting trounced by someone who can magically detect you while stealthed/magically prevent you from healing/magically run as fast (or faster) than a horse while on foot/etc etc ad nauseum. While I applaud the concept behind putting something as valuable as a 120 scroll in an area as dangerous as Fel, I can also appreciate the dismay of those who just aren't willing to risk running into cheaters.

 

[Wakiza]

Why is it ridiculous? If you want your scrolls, fight for it, kill it, defend it, if not, then get out of fel. simple.

I don't want to go to Felucca only I'm forced if I want to get my hands on 120 Powerscrolls or pay through the nose in Luna because that is how the current system is set up.

I have no desire to engage in part of the game that has been absolutely watered down to no end with special moves ie dismounting garbage. PvP today is an absolute crock compared to the UO:R era where actual 'skill' was involved. PvP needs a complete overhaul.

Add to that the vast majority of players that do engage in PvP are complete "punk kids" that have absolutely no class. It is my wish and my perogative to distance myself from these "Punk Kids/Greifers/ Anti-Social misfits" players as I have no desire to have any interaction with them and that includes engaging in PvP with them especially under the current system.

I have no desire to chummy up, create, and organize a group of players or guild at this juncture in UO in order to compete for Powerscrolls within the current PvP system.

With all that being I've yet to see one good reason why Powerscrolls are limited only to Felucca and why the current system is set up to completely nullify the time and effort those players put in who actually work the spawn in order retrieve the powerscrolls.

If the Dev's want to promote PvP then they need to change it back to something similiar to what it was during UO:R and not make Powerscrolls PvP related.

And PvP in my mind has always meant competing on a level playing field testing your metal to see how good you are at PvP'ing that is not what occurs in most scenerios during a raid at a Champ Spawn. A larger group usually swarms in on a smaller and less experienced/seasoned group of players. Numbers wins bottom line...

Anyhow I'm of the opinion that the healing of Champion Bosses is total garbage. I don't care if all of stratics posters or everyplayer in UO thinks it's a good thing.

It's ridiculous.

Sounds like you're the one being anti-social. I'm no punk kid, and felluca is the main reason i still play this game. (+8 years now)

 

[walter_mitty]

preventing someone from healing tho isnt a hack or exploit.
its all down to timing your attacks on them depending on what they are trying to heal with

 

[Farscape]

And the beat goes on

 

[Dryke GL]

preventing someone from healing tho isnt a hack or exploit.
its all down to timing your attacks on them depending on what they are trying to heal with

Except that there is a hack that does all this without you having to do such bothersome things as timing your attacks - or anything, for that matter, except press a button.

 

[HD2300]

I always wondered why they didn't make an all Tram shard to push them off into.

Awesome idea. It would be a great way for EA to make super shards and lots of cash.

 

[phantus]

with the replicas yes and the sots and 105 scrolls
but not with 110 115 or 120 scrolls......................... kid
you have to kill the champ for them to appear in your pack


take a look in the mirror kid and read you entry in who's nobody

You are incorrect, kid. You can get them without even seeing the champ. Working the spawn is all that is necessary.

 

[walter_mitty]

You are incorrect, kid. You can get them without even seeing the champ. Working the spawn is all that is necessary.

look kid stay in trammel,

 

[phantus]

look kid stay in trammel,

That's hillarious. Do you log out when you get killed in fel too? Sorry that being wrong makes you cry.

 

[walter_mitty]

yes i hear your cooking and heading ability's are legendary.

 

[phantus]

What's worse; Being wrong in front of the grown-ups or having to wait the 2 hours after you get out of school for everyone else to get home from work to play?

What you should do is make an attempt to insult others that are smarter than you by calling them names for calling you out for your ignorance in the future. Oh wait...

 

[walter_mitty]

lol kid lol phail

so your saying that if a player runs in,kills just one spawn then hides at the champ spawn somewhere he was a chance of getting a 120,

your wrong

they'll have a chance of getting a replica but not a 120 your dumb lol

What's worse; Being wrong in front of the grown-ups or having to wait the 2 hours after you get out of school for everyone else to get home from work to play?

What you should do is make an attempt to insult others that are smarter than you by calling them names for calling you out for your ignorance in the future. Oh wait...

why don't you get off welfare and go get a job instead of playing uo with us kids.

 

[cucujanu]

after the last pub u can get a 120PS too ,even without hitting the champ.
thats the way it should be anyways.

 

[Nexus]

I am a 29 year old mother of two young boys and i LOVE to PvP.
So when you say its all just young punk kids you may wanna learn what you are talking about before you talk.

Compared to a lot of UO's player base at your age you are just some punk kid....

Most the folks I know that play are in the mid to late 30's to 50's.

 

[phantus]

lol kid lol phail

so your saying that if a player runs in,kills just one spawn then hides at the champ spawn somewhere he was a chance of getting a 120,

your wrong

they'll have a chance of getting a replica but not a 120 your dumb lol



why don't you get off welfare and go get a job instead of playing uo with us kids.

Hehe. The welfare insult is a nice touch. I understand though. If you don't have anything of merit to add you insult. It's ok. The joke is on you though as what I'm saying is true and most of the people that do the fel spawns already know it by now. The fact that you don't know this puts into question your fel participation. Ignorance is bliss afterall...

 

[Redxpanda]

Ridiculous.

I agree! Clearly it was designed so that if the original group cannot complete the spawn, another group can finish it after the champ heals itself or join in and share. However, I am pretty sure they never intended for people to be able to heal the champ to full health and get credit for the whole spawn.

This discussion is a complete waste though since the devs are too cowardly to address any real issues. I am sure it didn't help that the last person to make "Official Statements" just got fired. That is not name or calling or an insult. That is a fact.

 

[archite666]

Ya know, I used to get tired of being raided at spawns thanks to suspected ghost cams and what not.

You know what I did? I moved to Siege Perilous, I think its worth a shot, you might like it!

 

[Hank123]

lol kid lol phail

so your saying that if a player runs in,kills just one spawn then hides at the champ spawn somewhere he was a chance of getting a 120,

your wrong

they'll have a chance of getting a replica but not a 120 your dumb





Well I have recieved both 120scrolls and the replica from killing the spawn and never hitting the champ. I was mainly working the spawn for the new scrolls but hung around while another guild killed the last level and the champ. Hiding stealth mage necro ss spellweaver ninja is the template i use. But more often tham not its only 110 scrolls that i get. I have did this almost all of my play time since the new publish.----It may be a bug that they will end up fixing or this may be a new feature but iam making the most of it now :>

 

[WarUltima]

Ever since last patch (added Tscrolls and Replica) YOU CAN GET SCROLLS FROM WORKING THE SPAWN AND NOT HITTING THE CHAMP AT ALL.

We use reds to help working the spawn and 2 blues to kill the champ. If the red didnt leave the subserver before the champ is killed, they will get Pscrolls (110s thru 120s) just like you have attacked the champ. Also if you only use 2 blues and one of the is the protector and worked the spawn even if the protector did NOT hit the champ at all after the protected blue killed the champ SOLO the blue will get SHORTED (not getting all 6 scrolls and lets assume he got 4 scrolls) while the protector will get his share of 2 + 4 from protection for the total of 10 scrolls. It's been proven over and over for over 100 spawns we did.

The kiddie who's calling everyone names obviously is the one who didnt know wtf he's talking about which tells me he didnt do champ spawn enough to know the difference (and the facts). This kiddie is the one who should be staying in tram. He just made a hell of fking fool out of his kiddieself.

Advise: Try to do more spawns and try to stay in fel longer than you think you do. Get the facts straight before you start calling people names. That really makes you look ********, kiddo.

Peace.

 

[Tek]

So a guy who played since “beta” is complaining that he just found out champ bosses can be healed, then rants about all PVPrs are punks/jerks/whatever and then finishes how nobody else’s opinions matter anyways.

Another great Stratics thread!

 

[Diomedes Artega]

Add to that the vast majority of players that do engage in PvP are complete "punk kids" that have absolutely no class. It is my wish and my perogative to distance myself from these "Punk Kids/Greifers/ Anti-Social misfits" players as I have no desire to have any interaction with them and that includes engaging in PvP with them especially under the current system.

I will agree with you on the fact that PvP needs an overall and more oversight in terms of hacking programs and other 3rd party illegal programs.

Where you get your scrolls or choose to engage yourself in the game is your choosing and I applaud you for that.

Please understand though, not just "punk kids" like to PvP. I myself am quite old and thoroughly enjoy the PvP aspect of Ulitma Online. It is like no other PvP aspect...and many, MANY games have tried to integrate interesting PvP systems. In my opinion, those are boring.

 

[Kellgory]

Back on subject, but looking at it another way. If you were unable to heal the boss back up then you would have people complaining about people stealthing in taking a couple hits and then stealthing away.

For example, if 3 people worked the spawn, and the coon is down to 30% life and I run in with a WOD precasted and hit it for 600+ in damage, hit a smoke bomb and stealth away I would have a pretty good chance of getting at least one scroll. The only options the people working the spawn have is A. Continue killing the boss and loose the scroll(s). B. Hunt me down and kill me and check the corpse, or C. Heal the boss back up and then kill it and get all the scrolls. Take away option C, and all you have is A and B. Even if you take option B, they would still loose out on their protector getting a scroll since I wasn't protected by them (most likely I would have a protector hidden somewhere so at least I got 1 scroll).

 

[drinkbeerallday]

They should make it so whenever a Champ spawns a gate from Luna bank is created directly to the Boss and all Murderers are removed from the area until the Champ is dead.

 

[Speedy Orkit]

Did you see the Trammel-only shard? This is pretty much what they want, to be put in a big work camp.

I say good. Offer some different era shards like:

UOR
preUOR
SE
AoS
P16

etc

A tram shard, and erase some of the low pop shards.

 

[Fluffi]

I don't want to go to Felucca only I'm forced if I want to get my hands on 120 Powerscrolls or pay through the nose in Luna because that is how the current system is set up.

I have no desire to engage in part of the game that has been absolutely watered down to no end with special moves ie dismounting garbage. PvP today is an absolute crock compared to the UO:R era where actual 'skill' was involved. PvP needs a complete overhaul.

Add to that the vast majority of players that do engage in PvP are complete "punk kids" that have absolutely no class. It is my wish and my perogative to distance myself from these "Punk Kids/Greifers/ Anti-Social misfits" players as I have no desire to have any interaction with them and that includes engaging in PvP with them especially under the current system.

I have no desire to chummy up, create, and organize a group of players or guild at this juncture in UO in order to compete for Powerscrolls within the current PvP system.

Then why the bloody hell did you post this thread??