or so you say...la
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Ghost cam scripts are a severe problem.
- Thread starter drinkbeerallday
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Disallow stealth and logging out in champ spawn areas. It nerfs the stealth archer gank problem AND the stealth cams.
Force ghosts to be relocated to a shrine, immediately after dying. It fixes the problem that people can get rezzed and back in the fight in less than a minute.
Fix'd.
Force ghosts to be relocated to a shrine, immediately after dying. It fixes the problem that people can get rezzed and back in the fight in less than a minute.
Fix'd.
Pretty much eliminates thieves from coming to visit the spawns...talk about nerf. ouch...la
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Valas
Guest
Its not our job to find the solution, we pay money to play the game monthly. Instead of bringing out more expansions fix the problems we already have.
Thought you guys cried that you were useless anyway <_<
Also, it's a hell of a lot better than allowing one account per IP, and more effective at stopping the problem too.
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walter_mitty
Guest
i think all trammies should stop posting in this thread
the only reason you are moaning about ghost cams is because you need to come to fel for the better tos scrolls and replicas,
the cams have been around ages and i never seen any posts from you guys then
its fel deal with it
the only reason you are moaning about ghost cams is because you need to come to fel for the better tos scrolls and replicas,
the cams have been around ages and i never seen any posts from you guys then
its fel deal with it
You are using a false assumption. Who gets to determine that ghost cams are a bad thing? I say let them be. If you can't defend your spawn, then either (as has been mentioned before) run with a stronger group, or buy your scrolls from vendors...la
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Sarphus
Guest
There have been complaints about this for years. It's a genuine problem.
"They" do? Care to back that up?...laNah, they claim they are elite too
Because there are complaints, doesn't mean that it's a problem...la
So your opinion is the determining factor in whether something is or isn't a problem?...la
No, the opinions of the majority of the people I've talked to.
Well, that's odd. The majority of the people I have spoken with have no problem at all with guilds using ghost cams...funny how that works?...la
It's pretty clear what change needs to be made.
Every time you log in while in T2A it should teleport you out. Not even as a ghost, even if you are alive and hidden somewhere you should be teleported to the Inn in Delucia or Papua. The only time you should NOT be teleported is if you have been in combat with something in the last two minutes.
This stops ghost cams. This stops stealther cams. This stops people abusing the log out / log in to petball your pet.
Every time you log in while in T2A it should teleport you out. Not even as a ghost, even if you are alive and hidden somewhere you should be teleported to the Inn in Delucia or Papua. The only time you should NOT be teleported is if you have been in combat with something in the last two minutes.
This stops ghost cams. This stops stealther cams. This stops people abusing the log out / log in to petball your pet.
Problem is, if someone loads up their pack with gold and scrolls, all they have to do is hide and log after 2 minutes. Then relog and *poof*. They are safe. Part of playing a champ spawn is the exit strategy, to make it out with your goodies...la
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Thashinel
Guest
NO LOGGIN OUT in spawn area else you get teleported to Jhelom, like during the invasion.
Sure, an account and char could stay live at spawn 24/7, but this is where tracking and detect hidden would finally be effective for these cams.
I have suggested this before. What would make this not work?
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How is that any different that using the help stuck option?
Read my post above...la
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Thashinel
Guest
You would still have the un-attended stealthers that would pop in and out every 2 minutes. Doesnt work...see previous posts about not logging out in spawn areas and re-logging back within.
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Thashinel
Guest
Duh...wasnt thinking about that...well, just make such items drop to the ground in this area???
Restrict it to gold and scrolls...I could see someone's armor dropping.
Good point about the pets too Lynk.
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People already do that with Help Stuck. Usually people don't have a problem escaping T2A with scrolls, so I don't even think this is an issue.
There are so many exits, and its rather difficult to kill someone if all they are doing is try to escape. If they are able to get off screen for a hide, or an invis without you seeing where they went then they would have gotten away anyways.
I stand by my post.
So now you'll make it even easier for this to take place. I stand by my post...la
That's ok, all you do is troll all day with a Moderator tag.
Ahhha, got it. Disagree with Lynk = troll. Good to know. Thanks...la
More like, "Ahhha, always pick pointless arguments about others' posts while never offering any constructive feedback, and having 1/3 posts say 'Play siege...la'" = troll.
You're welcome.
LOL, I point out a specific problem with your suggestion. You po poo it, and declare it a troll.
Sorry, but your logic is flawed...la
Sorry, but your logic is flawed...la
You're one to talk.
Your entire logic is based on a dead playstyle from a player on a dead shard on a practically dead game.
Ya for you........ :loser:
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walter_mitty
Guest
theres nothing dead about it, its alive and kicking,
i usually see 2 or 3 pvp theifs in despise when spawning there
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AesSedai
Guest
- Ok, so thieves would not enjoy the idea of ghosts being kicked from champ spawn areas. Nor would most members of larger guilds. Noted.
(Working the numbers, I would bet that those two groups compose a minority of UO players.)
I'd also like to note that ghost cam spawns have been considered a problem by many players and Devs. for years now. My proof that the Devs. did is the effort that was spent making several variations of exorcism, before that developer left EA and this issue was unfortunately abandoned (probably because that was one of his pet projects and other Devs were busy with their own work at the time).
I agree it is weak to time out to escape & would suggest dropping cursed items if people do this or use the help stuck, if that's doable.
I enjoy the strategy and skill involved in staying alive and escaping. That is fun to me.
To rely on safety in numbers and pack mentality, that is fun to the bullies but it is not fun to the majority that simply quit participating once death no longer provided a risk to those running the spawns in groups.
Ghost cams just exacerbated the problem that that change brought.
Big PvP masters: Risk v Reward, right? Well, then you should have no reason to balk at a fair risk being put returned to the rewards of champ spawns, right?
(Working the numbers, I would bet that those two groups compose a minority of UO players.)
I'd also like to note that ghost cam spawns have been considered a problem by many players and Devs. for years now. My proof that the Devs. did is the effort that was spent making several variations of exorcism, before that developer left EA and this issue was unfortunately abandoned (probably because that was one of his pet projects and other Devs were busy with their own work at the time).
I agree it is weak to time out to escape & would suggest dropping cursed items if people do this or use the help stuck, if that's doable.
I enjoy the strategy and skill involved in staying alive and escaping. That is fun to me.
To rely on safety in numbers and pack mentality, that is fun to the bullies but it is not fun to the majority that simply quit participating once death no longer provided a risk to those running the spawns in groups.
Ghost cams just exacerbated the problem that that change brought.
Big PvP masters: Risk v Reward, right? Well, then you should have no reason to balk at a fair risk being put returned to the rewards of champ spawns, right?
This is a discussion that has gone on many times so theres not much i can add that has not been said already. It would be nice if a Dev would chime in and let us know they are aware of the abuse that is going on here because this is a big deal to Non PvPers who decide to try their luck at earning their own powerscrolls instead of paying insanely inflated prices at pk or reseller vendors.
I would really like a dev to respond to this issue and more so the following questions:
Are you aware of the ghost cams and what is being done to stop them?
Is this system working the way it was intended and if not, what are you doing to fix it?
Did you put the powerscrolls in fel because you believe that only those who PVP should be entitled to them?
I would really like a dev to respond to this issue and more so the following questions:
Are you aware of the ghost cams and what is being done to stop them?
Is this system working the way it was intended and if not, what are you doing to fix it?
Did you put the powerscrolls in fel because you believe that only those who PVP should be entitled to them?
how can you disallow logging out? are you going to come solder my ethernet cable to my cable modem or something?
I noticed that you have ignored my posts and instead you are arguing with (insert something House would say). I have made the only real Felucca based argument. Unattended ghost cams and ghost spies circumvent the Fog of War. If I can develop good recon and learn when I can squeeze a spawn in I should be able to do that without some script sending a text message to some kid's cell phone to remind him to stop playing Halo 3 and go raid a spawn. I don't care if someone scouts spawns on a living stealthing character, and I don't care if someone scouts them on a ghost as long as they are logged into the ghost while they are doing it, but if you log out and 5 minutes passes, you should be kicked out of the spawn. Plain and simple.
Stop and think. By logging out, I meant characters disappearing after the player logs out. Don't let characters disappear like that. Soif someone leaves a character logged in to a spawn area, they can't log out and have the character disappear, and come back later. The character stays.
Or, alternatively, the character is kicked to a shrine, or something similar.
all cursed/droppable items can be dropped to the ground. there's a bad enough problem with people logging out to save scrolls as it is. kill 2 birds with one stone.
i was just being a smart ass by taking your statement literally.
Oh... k. Hard to tell over text. <_<
Howabout that?
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AesSedai
Guest
- They could just use the monsters for their cue if the candles were hidden to ghosts.
Very good questions that pretty much sum up the issues players are having. A response of some kind would be appreciated.
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Smokin
Guest
They should just turn them on for tram champs, because the old argument that they can't get artifacts in fel is gone now with the faction ones, which are better, and from what I understand a lot easier to get.
So just let the trammel players play in tram and not have to deal with the fel players, and when I say deal I also mean with the buying of over priced scrolls. This would also return players on the tram side to old dungeons again.
So just let the trammel players play in tram and not have to deal with the fel players, and when I say deal I also mean with the buying of over priced scrolls. This would also return players on the tram side to old dungeons again.
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Thashinel
Guest
People need to stop thinking that this is a GHOST cam issue. It is a CAM issue as stealthed chars could also check an altar, either by sitting near it or walking 50 tiles to it. The stealther logs out and 2 minutes later a new stealth cam is checked, as the account owner is afk.
The latest publish I think just enplaced that protection works within 90 tiles I believe...they may be close to something with this.
Who knows?
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AesSedai
Guest
- Thashinel, the only thing is that a cheating stealther can be killed, whereas a cheating ghost cannot.
If people are scouting (legitimately or illegitimately), that is fine as long as players can deal with them in some way (well cheating is not fine, but hopefully you get my drift).
The dead cannot be dealt with under the current system & that's why many groups resort to abusing UO with ghost bots to do the work for them.
Of course, it doesn't matter if the stealther is alive or dead, as long as people can cheat and see the progress of the spawn even when they are dead.
And quite unforunately, but obviously they cannot take care of all unattended cheaters within a reasonable time.
Hence: Boot the ghosts like they used to be booted.
And once again give fair players a chance at a fair playing field in one of the most competitive areas of UO.
If people are scouting (legitimately or illegitimately), that is fine as long as players can deal with them in some way (well cheating is not fine, but hopefully you get my drift).
The dead cannot be dealt with under the current system & that's why many groups resort to abusing UO with ghost bots to do the work for them.
Of course, it doesn't matter if the stealther is alive or dead, as long as people can cheat and see the progress of the spawn even when they are dead.
And quite unforunately, but obviously they cannot take care of all unattended cheaters within a reasonable time.
Hence: Boot the ghosts like they used to be booted.
And once again give fair players a chance at a fair playing field in one of the most competitive areas of UO.
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Abyss
Guest
No they don't the 20 people who come and kick you in the face are the ones that make the spawns controlled by one or two groups. Ghost cams could be active all day and if no one is there to raid it really wouldn't matter would it?
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Arch Magus
Guest
Too lazy to scroll up to see who posted but I thought it was a good idea.
Make it so your character never times out if you log out in T2A (except for one of the Inns).
Trying to think of a negative side to this but I am not coming up with anything.
Make it so your character never times out if you log out in T2A (except for one of the Inns).
Trying to think of a negative side to this but I am not coming up with anything.
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Canucklehead73
Guest
Well I have never been much for spawns since my connection keeps me from keeping up with ppl, but seems to me you could fix the ghost cams by restricting their vision while hidden as a ghost...
For example if they are dead and in peace mode, all they see is landscape, but if they hit combat mode become visible (exorcisable) and move around they can see the other players.
No?
For example if they are dead and in peace mode, all they see is landscape, but if they hit combat mode become visible (exorcisable) and move around they can see the other players.
No?