Should there be a signal as to who gets the champion artifact?

[Kratos Aurion]

From my experience, developing a list for distribution is done entirely out of greed. Leaders tend to develop the list in such a mannor that they are nearly always at the top and is [the list] never totally random. If the list was to be recycled for each new hunt, would it be fair to the players in the group that always end up at the bottom of the list each hunt?

Having mechanical developement of the list is just an enforced method of greed. If you can't trust your guildmates then find a new group. Real bonds are made from trust and if you feel a list is necessary, talk with your guildies and develop your own method of distribution.

EDIT:

What does the poll have anything to do with your list proposal?

 

[Redxpanda]

This thread is funny...

I can't say anything that hasn't been said already. I have done tons of guild events where we turned in the items and rolled for them at the end. Not once did anyone ever question if someone else was holding out. Putting glittery sparkles around someone who gets an artifact is not a solution to your problem and is a complete waste of code.

 

[kelmo]

This thread is funny...

I can't say anything that hasn't been said already. I have done tons of guild events where we turned in the items and rolled for them at the end. Not once did anyone ever question if someone else was holding out. Putting glittery sparkles around someone who gets an artifact is not a solution to your problem and is a complete waste of code.

Yup. Agrees...

 

[GarthGrey]

As soon as you and your guild stop using UO as a Business, the better things will be. But EA will cater to your whim, just like they always do. JC the Builder and Crew Online will continue to thrive..

 

[Tomas_Bryce]

This is not going to be a big issue for our guild, but it can be for others who don't vet their members as much as we do.

Survival of the fittest? Why should there be a crutch made for people who do not vet their members as much as you guys do? This is not WoW and trying to make it like it has a very serious set of drawbacks.

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

I didn't even bother voting. The poll itself shows the OP doesn't trust his own guildmates.

What I get out of your comments is that you have a personal issue against the OP. Read your ToS before you get personal, and try not so hard to be a troll...its disgusting when someone is only trying to brainstorm and ppl like yourselfs offer nothing but negativity. This is about thinking outside the box...no offense.

What I get out of the OPs comments is that he is interested in a fair and effective system to distribute the new items. If you have anything favoring reality to offer the thread...feel free to speak your mind.

Thanks

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

This thread is funny...

I can't say anything that hasn't been said already. I have done tons of guild events where we turned in the items and rolled for them at the end. Not once did anyone ever question if someone else was holding out. Putting glittery sparkles around someone who gets an artifact is not a solution to your problem and is a complete waste of code.

I really dont see anything wrong with an alliance message...it would avoid any fancy coding in addition.

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

Survival of the fittest? Why should there be a crutch made for people who do not vet their members as much as you guys do? This is not WoW and trying to make it like it has a very serious set of drawbacks.

Contrary to belief...this is all about working on a fair system that would possibly go beyond the *honor system* to benefit all members of any particular alliance playing on any shard or facet.

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

From my experience, developing a list for distribution is done entirely out of greed. Leaders tend to develop the list in such a mannor that they are nearly always at the top and is [the list] never totally random. If the list was to be recycled for each new hunt, would it be fair to the players in the group that always end up at the bottom of the list each hunt?

Having mechanical developement of the list is just an enforced method of greed. If you can't trust your guildmates then find a new group. Real bonds are made from trust and if you feel a list is necessary, talk with your guildies and develop your own method of distribution.

EDIT:

What does the poll have anything to do with your list proposal?

How do people relate this to greed? I dont understand...I would gladly donate any item I got to be rolled on by all members who participated. How does relinquishing an item for everyone to have a chance at getting make someone greedy.

 

[Dirty Mindz]

Everytime i log on stratics, i see the gm of hot complaining about something

Quit mass recruiting anyone who can walk in uo so you dont have to worry bout the problem.

Also the idea is the dumbest ever, because then you would have 400 theifs watching and soon as that person got it, they would steal the item

also, why add more things for uo to just bug up?

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

Everytime i log on stratics, i see the gm of hot complaining about something

Quit mass recruiting anyone who can walk in uo so you dont have to worry bout the problem.

Also the idea is the dumbest ever, because then you would have 400 theifs watching and soon as that person got it, they would steal the item

also, why add more things for uo to just bug up?

Link isnt the GM...thier recruiting is closed...and you are a senseless troll.

 

[WarUltima]

Everytime i log on stratics, i see the gm of hot complaining about something

Quit mass recruiting anyone who can walk in uo so you dont have to worry bout the problem.

Also the idea is the dumbest ever, because then you would have 400 theifs watching and soon as that person got it, they would steal the item

also, why add more things for uo to just bug up?

Coding? lol. The code is already in game as party message. "I was killed by XXX!!" when someone in your party gets killed. Now just make it work in ALLIANCE chat. e.g "An artifact XXX has been bestowed to the brave leader XXX". Well yea maybe YOUR guild will have a thief/thieves reading the alliance chat and steal from their own guildie as soon as the champ is killed. I dont understand why people are so afraid letting their OWN ALLIANCE members know that they got a drop. And now you want to "trust" your guild. It goes both ways, ONLY your alliance knows who got something and you can all defend him more effectively. NO ONE ELSE know it but your guildies. Sounds like you are in a guild where members steal from each other to me. Join a better guild.

No one asked to implement "item rolling" and sub-server message is not needed. All its gonna do is announce a honest member in your ALLIANCE who is on the looting list, got an item. Against this system shows the true greed of some players whos used to hording out items. Even if it did display who got the item it doesnt make YOU to lose them to your guildies, all you have to do is changing your word from "no i got jack" or "all 110s" to "the system message got jacked I didnt get anything I sware"

Omg you greedy people.

 

[Viper09]

Coding? lol. The code is already in game as party message. "I was killed by XXX!!" when someone in your party gets killed. Now just make it work in ALLIANCE chat. e.g "An artifact XXX has been bestowed to the brave leader XXX". Well yea maybe YOUR guild will have a thief/thieves reading the alliance chat and steal from their own guildie as soon as the champ is killed. I dont understand why people are so afraid letting their OWN ALLIANCE members know that they got a drop. And now you want to "trust" your guild. It goes both ways, ONLY your alliance knows who got something and you can all defend him more effectively. NO ONE ELSE know it but your guildies. Sounds like you are in a guild where members steal from each other to me. Join a better guild.

No one asked to implement "item rolling" and sub-server message is not needed. All its gonna do is announce a honest member in your ALLIANCE who is on the looting list, got an item. Against this system shows the true greed of some players whos used to hording out items. Even if it did display who got the item it doesnt make YOU to lose them to your guildies, all you have to do is changing your word from "no i got jack" or "all 110s" to "the system message got jacked I didnt get anything I sware"

Omg you greedy people.

Alright, if it is only for guild members and maybe allies, I will go along with that.
Just as long as it doesn't signal for people who are not allies or guildmates. There is no reason we need to know who among people that are not allies or guildmates got an item.

 

[WarUltima]

Alright, if it is only for guild members and maybe allies, I will go along with that.
Just as long as it doesn't signal for people who are not allies or guildmates. There is no reason we need to know who among people that are not allies or guildmates got an item.

The coding is already in game and can be done with minimal change.

Again only one that will be hurt from a change like this is the item hording liars themselves or of course like that guy I was replying to where his alliance mates routingly steal from their own if they found out who IN THEIR ALLIANCE gets a drop.

 

[Traveller]

This thread is really getting ridicoulous... Please, can ANYBODY reply to the relevant issue:

Why should devs dedicate a picosecond of their time to solve a problem that players can solve themselves using in-game underutilized skills?

I have got a feeling nobody will come up with a convincing answer.

 

[HD2300]

This thread reminds me of the Punkbuster threads 2 years ago.

JC's idea will minimise cheating and scammers.

I am amazed that 80% dont like it. Much like I was amazed at the lets unban those busted with dupes threads a couple of months ago.

There is already an in party broadcast when someone dies. It would not be hard to add.

 

[HeathBar]

JC's idea will minimise cheating and scammers.

How will it minimize cheaters and dupers? All it's doing it alerting people around you that you got a rare drop in your pack.

I think it's ridiculous, nothing else in the game does this, why should these items be any different?

It's obvious the only reason he, or whoever he is posting on behalf of, wants this implemented because they cannot trust their own guild mates to hand the items over.

 

[Arch Magus]

WTF are you talking about?
JC's "idea" doesn't do anything for the game.
The Replicas drop like every artifact in the game drops, why do you need a message to tell you who got it?

No matter, the Dev team isn't going to change the way these drop.

Who the hell even cares who got them, after the Faction gear change this game has gone downhill so fast it makes your head spin. I can't believe you people even play this. get on a freehsard ffs....then you might actually have someone to play with.

You whiny Carebears are sickening. And now you want a message telling you who got the dumb new artifact from these spawns. Give me a break!

 

[Arch Magus]

How will it minimize cheaters and dupers? All it's doing it alerting people around you that you got a rare drop in your pack.

I think it's ridiculous, nothing else in the game does this, why should these items be any different?

It's obvious the only reason he, or whoever he is posting on behalf of, wants this implemented because they cannot trust their own guild mates to hand the items over.

Exactly.

 

[Arch Magus]

JC's idea will minimise cheating and scammers.

O rly? Care to elaborate on how the **** you think this makes any sense?

idiot....

 

[Arch Magus]

Coding? lol. The code is already in game as party message. "I was killed by XXX!!" when someone in your party gets killed. Now just make it work in ALLIANCE chat. e.g "An artifact XXX has been bestowed to the brave leader XXX". Well yea maybe YOUR guild will have a thief/thieves reading the alliance chat and steal from their own guildie as soon as the champ is killed. I dont understand why people are so afraid letting their OWN ALLIANCE members know that they got a drop. And now you want to "trust" your guild. It goes both ways, ONLY your alliance knows who got something and you can all defend him more effectively. NO ONE ELSE know it but your guildies. Sounds like you are in a guild where members steal from each other to me. Join a better guild.

No one asked to implement "item rolling" and sub-server message is not needed. All its gonna do is announce a honest member in your ALLIANCE who is on the looting list, got an item. Against this system shows the true greed of some players whos used to hording out items. Even if it did display who got the item it doesnt make YOU to lose them to your guildies, all you have to do is changing your word from "no i got jack" or "all 110s" to "the system message got jacked I didnt get anything I sware"

Omg you greedy people.

Instead of saying "omg you greedy people" how you about you give 1 damn reason why this system is even necessary?

All you say is that WE are greedy and quote
"all you have to do is changing your word from "no i got jack" or "all 110s" to "the system message got jacked I didnt get anything I sware" "

Do people really say something this ignorant??????

Give me one ****ing reason why we need this system, since it's your ****ty guild that you don't trust??

Just 1 reason. And saying b/c people hold on to 120's at your spawns doesnt count, ass.

 

[MudFace]

I'm with the above folks in saying that if you can't trust them then find a new guild. It's that simple....

Perhaps some of your guildmates are.....Phony!

 

[Gellor]

As most have stated, no.

Either you trust your guild or not. If you trust your guild, no need for an alert. If you don't(which seems to be an issue), you need a new guild

I've been a member of four different guilds that got involved in spawns(either as raiders or spawners), we did both the turn in and roll as well as keep what you get.

In the turn in guilds, we had more problems getting scrolls than I can count. And I'm sure more than once people kept their 20 mage rather than turning it in.

In the keep what you get guilds(which also happened to be raiding guilds), we occasionally resorted to "pointing" the scrolls out. Ie, several people were assigned to drop the champ and turn in the resulting scrolls while the rest held the champ. Then everyone gets a percentage of the gold value of the scrolls. NEVER had an issue or upset people with this route.

 

[TheScoundrelRico]

Just one more reason to play Siege. If you have a solo player join the group, all you have to do is kill them, then you get all their stuff.

I really wish people would stop with the "easy button" suggestions...la

 

[Kratos Aurion]

How do people relate this to greed? I dont understand...I would gladly donate any item I got to be rolled on by all members who participated. How does relinquishing an item for everyone to have a chance at getting make someone greedy.

Greed is the persona of control. You're trying to control how the game benefits individuals versus those who work for it and deserve it. You are in a sense controlling who gets what and when they get it. Its an unfair and bias system. On the otherhand, if you go out with a group and develop your own trusts, you wont have to worry or care about creating a list.

I'm sure if you go in a group of 5 people and say oh person 1 gets the first crimmy. What are the odds of getting 4 more? how is this "list" at all fair to that idealism.

 

[WarUltima]

Instead of saying "omg you greedy people" how you about you give 1 damn reason why this system is even necessary?

All you say is that WE are greedy and quote
"all you have to do is changing your word from "no i got jack" or "all 110s" to "the system message got jacked I didnt get anything I sware" "

Do people really say something this ignorant??????

Give me one ****ing reason why we need this system, since it's your ****ty guild that you don't trust??

Just 1 reason. And saying b/c people hold on to 120's at your spawns doesnt count, ass.

No its not necessary you greedy tard. But it's nice to have. I dont care what kind of ****ty guild you are in, they must be ******** to have people like you defending against a system betterment.

Give me 1 ****ing reason with your ****ing ****ed up brain why this change is hurting anyone in anyway?

Go talk to your ****ing ****ty guild and come up with 1, just 1 ****ing reason how is a system like this hurting you and your ****ty guild.

I will forgive you and all your ******** attitude since you are probably that assigned protector who ALWAYS tell them what you get. And they probably only get to roll what YOU are willing to put up.

Again give me 1 ****ing reason with your ****ed up brain how a system like this is hurting any honest guild.

 

[TheScoundrelRico]

potty mouth...la

 

[the 4th man]

I am not even the person who wanted this done. My idea was to let whoever got the artifact keep it. So don't pin this on me. I just do not see any reason why this shouldn't be done as it will help groups of players, especially people who are playing together for the first time, be able to know who got the item. If you see someone get the item and then break the promise on how it was going to be distributed, then you can decide to never hunt with that person again. As it stands, there is no way to know who got the reward or if one dropped in the first place.

People are focusing too much on the trust issue and not considering the other factors. I probably should have taken more time to explain it better.

Some of these items are going to be as rare as Crimson Cinctures, even rarer for Harrower ones. People are going to jack them and not tell anyone. This is not going to be a big issue for our guild, but it can be for others who don't vet their members as much as we do.

I voted no as well.....reason being....

This comes across as a benefit for your guild alone.
Basically, this idea would be an add-on to a monopoly whose time has run it's course and needs ending.

Trust.....trust no one. If your guild has it's rules, you guys enforce it, don't leave it up to EA to do your work. I for one don't like your guild, but that's my opinion. That alone would make me vote no.

As far as this not being your idea.....well, you brought it up, and secondly, it probably is your idea, I've seen you flip before on subjects.


later

 

[Viquire]

Hell, I'm still waiting for a "fail" sound for enhancement.