just my opinion, but....having 1 gimp char does not classify you as a pvper. As I said..in my opinion, I believe you have to be able to play a numerous amount of templates. I play a stealth macer, a necro mage, a fencing mage, a bushido archer, a thief (heh), a wrestle scribe mage, a parry fencer for doom, a tamer and an arcanist assassin mage(in the works). I think everyone remember how l33t the bushido archers used to be when they hit you for 180hp. I believe I had the 1st one on napa and everyone cried about how I sucked. Well...the template was perfect for the time. So it's not the template that makes the person a good pvper, but the ability to adapt to the everchanging world of UO.