Catskills Spawning Network

[CatLord]

[Under discussion]

this is the idea behind the Network...

Soon we will be enough to do two, three or more spawns... at the same time. (do remember to train your protectors, stealing is a good option... and steal from the champs...)

So the plan is an interactive Network... if anyone is attacked, we move our forces there... destroy the raiders and help the original spawners to finish it...

So we have several, moving, defensive forces ready to defend any of our spawning crews...

The goal behind this is the massive undertaking of felucca spawning... soon followed by many oaks and harrowers.


My questions:
- How do we achieve this?
- How do we communicate?

Please post your input...

 

[Norrar]

Well...

Having a few people set as a type of "leader" per spawn, and those leaders would be responsible for emergency contacts in case of a raid.

Using ICQ would enable that quickly. And having more than one person in that position would make sure that contact is always there.

But its early in the morning...so my ideas arent always that great at this time

 

[CatLord]

Yup, where is Podolak... we need our coffee.

 

[Cutter]

THIS IS A FANTASTIC IDEA

 

[CatLord]

... and this without coffee... won't work.

Yesterday we started this Network...
We already have two other guilds that aren't in the Alliance working with us.

We ran 2 T2A spawns while they ran:
- one of the Legacy dungeons and one on Ice East.

No raiders.

Cya again tonight for another spawning night.

 

[CatLord]

THIS IS A FANTASTIC IDEA

More people spawning, more pvp... even if for now the raiders are taking a beating... but the tide can turn at any minute now.

The plan is simple:
- make powerscrolls worthless by getting them ourselves and not buying from anyone else,
- get more numbers.
So we can prevent the raid of any newly organized raiding guild made of old veterans... making it too much work for no profit, just pvp...

Better safe than sorry...

 

[Nystul]

Why do you care so much about making powerscrolls worthless?

 

[The Fallout]

Why do you care so much about making powerscrolls worthless?

Because of the monopoly huge guilds held over them for so long. This is an attempt to lower them to a reasonable price.

 

[DPudding]

The Socialist Spawn Network needs a carrot to dangle in front of people who should be playing some vampire game on facebook instead.

Why do you care so much about making powerscrolls worthless?

 

[Vallend]

The Socialist Spawn Network needs a carrot to dangle in front of people who should be playing some vampire game on facebook instead.

I don't play a vampire game on Facebook.. ummm.. I play Mobsters on Myspace. Get it right.

 

[DPudding]

Do you get to shoot self-important people in the face? Maybe I should give this mobster thing a look?

 

[CatLord]

Socialism refers to various theories of economic organization advocating public or direct worker ownership and administration of the means of production and allocation of resources, and a society characterized by equal access to resources for all individuals with a method of compensation based on the amount of labor expended.

Guess you are right on the money Mr. Pudding.

 

[The Fallout]

Socialism refers to various theories of economic organization advocating public or direct worker ownership and administration of the means of production and allocation of resources, and a society characterized by equal access to resources for all individuals with a method of compensation based on the amount of labor expended.

Guess you are right on the money Mr. Pudding.

And most people in America don't know that definition. They then go and call the president a socialist and a fascist in the same sentence LoL Catlord the evil Socialist!!

 

[Nystul]

Because of the monopoly huge guilds held over them for so long. This is an attempt to lower them to a reasonable price.

What huge guilds that held them for so long?

If you want to destroy the scroll market & make them "worthless" that's all up to you, whatever makes you feel better.

In reality it just makes the "huge guilds" of the past laugh at the fact that it STILL bothers people that much that years later they're trying to 'get back' at guilds that DON'T exist.

Reasonable price? lol... I don't even need to comment there because that's just absurd if people think they still cost too much. Maybe if you're a new player...

 

[Flutter]

Because of the monopoly huge guilds held over them for so long. This is an attempt to lower them to a reasonable price.

What huge guilds that held them for so long?

If you want to destroy the scroll market & make them "worthless" that's all up to you, whatever makes you feel better.

In reality it just makes the "huge guilds" of the past laugh at the fact that it STILL bothers people that much that years later they're trying to 'get back' at guilds that DON'T exist.

Reasonable price? lol... I don't even need to comment there because that's just absurd if people think they still cost too much. Maybe if you're a new player...

And this is the core issue. People are listening to propaganda sent by a certain person (i even doubt at this point that it is a group of people) without knowing first hand what went on in the past, nor really aware of what goes on presently. They are drilled with "THOSE EVILDOERS IN BIG PVP GUILDS HOLD A MONOPOLY ON POWERSCROLLS WE MUST ELIMINATE THEMS!!!"
It sounds reasonable to someone who's never regularly done spawns or anyone who doesn't pvp. They know that THEY have to pay for a powerscroll because they've never taken any initiative to go do a spawn, so this whole dramatic situation is created. They've been led to believe that people like my guild have "held the monopoly" on the powerscroll "industry" (?) for years. It's false information but because we ARE a raiding/pvp/pk guild people believe it as fact, and certainly don't trust MY word. hah... for the most part. (And wouldn't they be surprised to learn that the "circle" once included at one time one of the biggest raiding/spawn running pvp guilds and this person regularly participated in raids and "private" spawns that other "regular" players were not invited to)
Mostly lately we've been bored with all the melodrama and have just not even bothered tbh. People are going to believe what they want to believe.

Anyhow, yes, people have been brainwashed to believe that there's some sort of crusade to be won here. (and yea that powerscrolls are big money makers lol)

 

[DPudding]

Too bad socialism is trumped by self-interest.

 

[Nystul]

And this is the core issue. People are listening to propaganda sent by a certain person (i even doubt at this point that it is a group of people) without knowing first hand what went on in the past, nor really aware of what goes on presently. They are drilled with "THOSE EVILDOERS IN BIG PVP GUILDS HOLD A MONOPOLY ON POWERSCROLLS WE MUST ELIMINATE THEMS!!!"
It sounds reasonable to someone who's never regularly done spawns or anyone who doesn't pvp. They know that THEY have to pay for a powerscroll because they've never taken any initiative to go do a spawn, so this whole dramatic situation is created. They've been led to believe that people like my guild have "held the monopoly" on the powerscroll "industry" (?) for years. It's false information but because we ARE a raiding/pvp/pk guild people believe it as fact, and certainly don't trust MY word. hah... for the most part. (And wouldn't they be surprised to learn that the "circle" once included at one time one of the biggest raiding/spawn running pvp guilds and this person regularly participated in raids and "private" spawns that other "regular" players were not invited to)
Mostly lately we've been bored with all the melodrama and have just not even bothered tbh. People are going to believe what they want to believe.

Anyhow, yes, people have been brainwashed to believe that there's some sort of crusade to be won here. (and yea that powerscrolls are big money makers lol)

Yeah I know what you're saying.

Sadly these monopolies DON'T exist anymore. It would be a totally different story if there were still organized guilds running automated spawn cams and all that, but it isn't the case anymore.

Players & guilds on all shards had the opporunity to stand up in the past to those monopolies since the introduction of powerscrolls, some did, but most didn't because of obvious reasons. (Bad leadership, poor player connections, lack of pvp knowledge, no field tactics etc.) IMO it's too late & the ONLY thing it's showing is someone trying to 'get back' at players/groups who upset them in the past.

It would be a totally different story if it was about just getting players out there for the reason of getting them to experience the BEST part of UO (pvp) & actually be able to participate & compete in it. But it isn't... It's about "ruining" the "market" on something.

But it's all good right? I mean it's okay for them to ruin something that may or may not effect others just because of something that don't exist. IMO makes them just the same...


I ALMOST want to play again & get a team of players going again. Maybe I will...

 

[Nystul]

Too bad socialism is trumped by self-interest.

Hey bro,

You know you're playing Ultima Online right?

Just wanted to make sure.

 

[Zuckuss]

THIS IS A FANTASTIC IDEA

Great now you can raid those who were among the loyalist to your former cause. Enjoy!

 

[Cutter]

Great now you can raid those who were among the loyalist to your former cause. Enjoy!

Lol, like GRI? Yeah they were such hardcore loyalists! They really stuck by us when the going got tough!

 

[The Fallout]

What huge guilds that held them for so long?

If you want to destroy the scroll market & make them "worthless" that's all up to you, whatever makes you feel better.

In reality it just makes the "huge guilds" of the past laugh at the fact that it STILL bothers people that much that years later they're trying to 'get back' at guilds that DON'T exist.

Reasonable price? lol... I don't even need to comment there because that's just absurd if people think they still cost too much. Maybe if you're a new player...

Mage scrolls are still as high as they were when I last played when big guilds ran the champ spawns. I never said worthless, I said more reasonable. BTW guilds still do try to run champs. If we did not have this organized alliance it would be the new pvp guilds running it. You don't know what you are talking about.

 

[The Fallout]

Anyhow, yes, people have been brainwashed to believe that there's some sort of crusade to be won here. (and yea that powerscrolls are big money makers lol)

Someone sounds upset that their guild can't control the scroll market anymore.

 

[The Fallout]

Sadly these monopolies DON'T exist anymore.

Yea, because our alliance has gotten rid of them. If we left, Catskills would be back like it was. Please do come back to UO and give us a challenge.

 

[outcry]

THIS IS A FANTASTIC IDEA

Great now you can raid those who were among the loyalist to your former cause. Enjoy!

Perhaps do not take things so personally....

 

[Cutter]

Someone sounds upset that their guild can't control the scroll market anymore.

Our guild never controlled the scroll market. We sold them low usually, and I For one never made a single cent IRL off of our spawn control all those years.

If anything it was a bunch of the people who left the guild that wanted more control over scroll prices, and were upset that we "let" too many people spawn, and that it was cutting into their profits and such.

 

[Flutter]

Anyhow, yes, people have been brainwashed to believe that there's some sort of crusade to be won here. (and yea that powerscrolls are big money makers lol)

Someone sounds upset that their guild can't control the scroll market anymore.

Sweety we never controlled the scroll market. We never even tried to. We have never run spawn cams or anything like that. Sometimes when we are looking for PvP we manually (as in recalled to them in person) ran down there looking.
You have been seriously misinformed by someone who is using you to do just what Nystul posted.

 

[CatLord]

Please do come back to UO and give us a challenge.

I believe we will get more than a challenge... but hey... no fun otherwise!
Come insured and "hold shift for context on" with renewal on and gold in the bank...

Monday, Tuesday and Thursday will be bloody...

 

[DPudding]

Actually....I'm not. And if I came back....it'd be a different shard...away from this nonsense.

Hey bro,

You know you're playing Ultima Online right?

Just wanted to make sure.

 

[CatLord]

Lol, like GRI? Yeah they were such hardcore loyalists! They really stuck by us when the going got tough!

I hope this answers your post..

http://vboards.stratics.com/showthread.php?p=1460443#post1460443
(my last post which was followed by your reply... that I can also post there...)

 

[Cutter]

I hope this answers your post..

http://vboards.stratics.com/showthread.php?p=1460443#post1460443
(my last post which was followed by your reply... that I can also post there...)

http://vboards.stratics.com/showpost.php?p=1461306&postcount=94

 

[Abies Aduro]

yall r crazzzzzy as much as i love ultima its pixels on ur computer clam down
second u guys are trying to some how make catlord into hitler for some reason oh no look its catlord spreading his evil propaganda brainwashing people across the internet give me a break
i think what catlord is doing is great i love doing the champs spawns with his alliance
its the most fun i have playing ultima in a while




p.s. catlord can my sampire join ur alliance

 

[CatLord]

You are welcomed to come for a few hunts...

 

[Abies Aduro]

ok which spawn u guys doing today

 

[CatLord]

Despise right now...

 

[CatLord]

Hope you got something nice...

 

[CatLord]

Third Spawn

All scrolls out, hope you made out too...

but NME fielding the star room and raiding us...

Nothing lost but insurance and 250 bandages.

Back to spawning... now moving to T2A.

 

[CatLord]

Doing Marble next...

Cya there.

 

[Nystul]

Mage scrolls are still as high as they were when I last played when big guilds ran the champ spawns. I never said worthless, I said more reasonable. BTW guilds still do try to run champs. If we did not have this organized alliance it would be the new pvp guilds running it. You don't know what you are talking about.

lol...

Mage scrolls arn't crap compared to what they were. I know what it was like to control the scroll market & it's NOTHING like they were.

And no... Guilds dont "try" to "run" champs. They just like to pvp. It's not their fault that the only system in UO that gives ANY reward for pvping is really champ spawns. You fight & you come victorious w/ a reward (scrolls, replicas, skulls & bragging rights). Don't even try to say factions, cause factions just plain blow.

Again, no. Your "new organized alliance" isn't anything. No new guilds will run champ spawns & they never will unless you play Atlantic shard & there is a big enough playerbase to even control spawns since there's no spawn cams anymore. Guilds don't want to put the effort into controlling spawns by manually scouting every single one.

I don't know what I'm talking about?

LOL.

Who are you?

Don't bother answering that question because I probably never heard of you, which means you're nothing when it comes to pvp.

 

[Flutter]

Sadly these monopolies DON'T exist anymore.

Yea, because our alliance has gotten rid of them.

False. Monopolies died a couple of years ago. Nothing to do with your alliance. Back then your alliance was allied to the prime monopoly holder. Chew on that for a little while.

 

[Lynk]

False. Monopolies died a couple of years ago. Nothing to do with your alliance. Back then your alliance was allied to the prime monopoly holder. Chew on that for a little while.

Flutter, A/S/L?

 

[Flutter]

Lynk I'll tell you when you get a man sized sig.

 

[CatLord]

For many years GRI/DB4 had common Members/Emmys... I believe we still do.

GRI invited everyone in the shard to spawn... that was our goal... free spawning.
Making the hold, some members of DB4 thought they had on the economy, an illusion...
We had people joining us with the simple goal of experiencing Felucca... many ended up joining DB4...

We had members from almost every guild out there to join our guild for a spawning night... then going back to their guilds... then returning to fight or spawn...

For years we managed to have a window open into spawning without drama or backstabbing... folk would simply spawn and be left alone...

We helped until the Ice Island Castle/Keep idocs (posted here by Lava)... and then we withdrew to Trammel, never to help DB4 again... except by personal choice but never as an entity.

GRI made sure everyone was welcomed, safe... and we paid the price. Our reputation was hurt due to DB4 actions... but it was a small price considering it allowed anyone to go to Felucca to spawn... and if a red DB4 would show up... the GRI tag would be a invisible shield...

Too bad things went on a direction that clashed with the nature of our alliance... making me leave many old friends behind, fighting most of them after they moved to nme...

But the goal is still the same... an open path for everyone that wants to spawn.

And now we are reaching for your Holy Grail... the harrower... and things will get really messy next Thursday.

 

[Cutter]

For many years GRI/DB4 had common Members/Emmys... I believe we still do.

Doubtful considering DB4 does not really exist anymore.

GRI invited everyone in the shard to spawn... that was our goal... free spawning. Making the hold, some members of DB4 thought they had on the economy, an illusion...
We had people joining us with the simple goal of experiencing Felucca... many ended up joining DB4...

Which members would those be? I am not sure exactly what it is you are saying here, but it almost sounds like an admission of sorts...

We had members from almost every guild out there to join our guild for a spawning night... then going back to their guilds... then returning to fight or spawn...

And we defended you time in and time out on nights like that.

For years we managed to have a window open into spawning without drama or backstabbing... folk would simply spawn and be left alone...

Indeed you did, for quite a number of years, due in no small part to our help. Funny how once we were no longer needed we were discarded like stale candy...just like we were by CDE and LER/RKOS, and other guilds from the old alliances once SX was gone. Funny part is that old drama was pretty much what led to us becoming a raiding guild, which of course led to our relationship with you being so controversial. Now things have 'come full circle' as you might say. =)

We helped until the Ice Island Castle/Keep idocs (posted here by Lava)... and then we withdrew to Trammel, never to help DB4 again... except by personal choice but never as an entity.

Whats this now? You are talking about that time a couple of DB4 placed houses on ICE that a GRI guy who did IDOCs every day was also at and got mad when he didn't get a castle? This incident (which was 3-4 years ago and only involved a few individuals who were not even active anymore) is why you broke off our friendship and chose to side with |337 last year?

GRI made sure everyone was welcomed, safe... and we paid the price. Our reputation was hurt due to DB4 actions... but it was a small price considering it allowed anyone to go to Felucca to spawn... and if a red DB4 would show up... the GRI tag would be a invisible shield...

This part I somewhat agree with. GRI did take a lot of Flak over the years due to their relationship with DB4, which many viewed controversially. Something tells me you also gained plenty from that relationship though, and it is not as if I did not bend over backwards to keep things friendly. Any time we had a problem I did my best to deal with it, even going so far as having kicked people from DB4 who were mistreating GRI or other alliance members. We also of course shared many guild members, and some of DB4's pvpers had at times even put char's in GRI to help teach your members and form PVP wings.

Also don't forget, the problems that did take place in the alliance came from both ends. Your recruitment policies which were somewhat lax in the security department led to more than a few problems such as people tagged GRI bank killing and spying and the like...among other issues.

Too bad things went on a direction that clashed with the nature of our alliance... making me leave many old friends behind, fighting most of them after they moved to nme...

I was being attacked in yew by GRI members on their uss* characters long before I put any characters in NME, within weeks of the DB4 split in fact.

But the goal is still the same... an open path for everyone that wants to spawn.

And now we are reaching for your Holy Grail... the harrower... and things will get really messy next Thursday.

No offense but your politics are getting old, and I think very few people care about this nonsense anymore.

 

[CatLord]

Nah, not doing politics or going to people behind their back trying to find chinks in their honor... plain upfront... spawns and harrowers.

You raid or you defend.

Looks like politics?

Cya in the field...

 

[Cutter]

Nah, not doing politics or going to people behind their back trying to find chinks in their honor... plain upfront... spawns and harrowers.

You raid or you defend.

Looks like politics?

Cya in the field...

Good plan.

Personally spawns and harrowers got old/boring for me some years ago. All that is really fun anymore is pvp, which of course includes raiding. You can keep your PVM.

 

[CatLord]

This incident (which was 3-4 years ago and only involved a few individuals who were not even active anymore) is why you broke off our friendship and chose to side with |337 last year?

No clue why you have it hammered in your head I was l33t...

 

[CatLord]

Something tells me you also gained plenty from that relationship...

I was not the protector, I never kept the scrolls from any hunt...

The one time I protected DB4, at desert, I had my backpack full with 125 items and we lost the six protection scrolls... that took care of any future requests for protection.

I gained... experience, contacts, learnt procedures and decided this was a battle I worth fighting... plus it is fun!

 

[CatLord]

You can keep your PVM.

When you wish to fight on Drachs... I'll show you some pvm.

 

[Cutter]

I was not the protector, I never kept the scrolls from any hunt...

The one time I protected DB4, at desert, I had my backpack full with 125 items and we lost the six protection scrolls... that took care of any future requests for protection.

I gained... experience, contacts, learnt procedures and decided this was a battle I worth fighting... plus it is fun!

I was not speaking of personal "financial" gains.

I was commenting in this quote of yours:

For years we managed to have a window open into spawning without drama or backstabbing... folk would simply spawn and be left alone...

My only point there was that you had that "window" for all those years primarily because of your relationship with Db4.

No clue why you have it hammered in your head I was l33t...

You deny that you and other GRI members were inside the |337 house fighting?


-I think this should end here, or at least keep it to one thread. I highly doubt the fine citizens of Catskills care about this nonsense any more than I do, which is very little.

 

[CatLord]

Yup... but not for personal gain, I had all the scrolls I needed from hunting with GNK... I kept being attacked by everyone... but was worth it... everyone could spawn.

I have no clue what other GRI members did... I know I was never involved with L33t.
I did give them uoam acess but that was common knowledge...


FYI: GNK was a guild that fought CoW and LOW...