For clarity's sake, I'll take Nastia's response point by point.
It matters not at all. If you can point to any statement where I made a value judgment about different types of activities, go ahead.
(Point: it's unclear if yours is a hypothetical question apropos of nothing, or whether you intend to suggest I discriminate among activities. I don't know and I don't assume. All I can do is point to my belief and ask you to clarify.)
I just posted this: "...your groups have a laudable mix of different types of skills." That's a clear, simple acknowledgment that your guild members enjoy other activities besides PvP. I had already just agreed with you before you made this post, so there is no argument. I don't know why you even raised the issue.
(Point: Again, this is either a hypothetical statement, simply a statement of your own beliefs, or you intend to impute to me the opposite belief. Which is it? If you mean this to be an debate, then I would tend toward the latter. If this is a friendly mutual chat, then I would assume the former. Again, these are assumptions, so I am asking you directly: is this just your own belief you're presenting on the boards, or do you imply I may believe the opposite?)
If you are just expressing your own belief here, that's great! We have no argument. If you intend to imply I believe the contrary, that's propaganda. Nowhere have I ever categorically stated that PvPers are bad people, inside UO or out. That is emphatically not my belief. Most of my close friends here PvP either occasionally or regularly and I am learning too.
(Point: As above. Once again, yours is either a hypothetical statement, (simply a statement of your own beliefs), or you intend to impute to me the opposite belief. Which is it? If you mean this to be an debate, then I would tend toward the latter. If this is a friendly mutual chat, then I would assume the former. Again, these are assumptions, so I am asking you directly: is this just your own belief you're presenting on the boards, or do you imply I may believe the opposite?)
Now here I truly fail to see your point. Of course that's the case. It's obvious that each of our groups is the size it is because that's either random luck or the choice of the leadership, the entire group, or some other combination of members. I mentioned size only because it's sometimes easier to see in smaller groups their particular emphasis. In the cases of RUOH and NmE, your particular, but not exclusive, emphasis is PvP. Correct? Incorrect?
Perhaps I have been unclear at some point and you've misunderstood me.
Show me, with specific quotations, instances where you believe I've posted propaganda in this thread. If so, I will retract any statement willingly or make it more clear.
We have zero disagreement on any of the above statements. These are points I've already made numerous times in posts on these boards.
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Summary:
We agree on every point you've made. Every single one.
Very simply put, if I praise my group, I don't damn yours.
My general issue with your latest post is that your intention is unclear.
If the post is intended simply as a statement of your own opinions, then it really isn't an argument or rebuttal. It may follow my post in sequence, make general references to words and phrases in my post, but it really has no direct reference to any of my points.
I did think our posts were framed as debates (argument and rebuttal), not a mutual exchange of platitudes. but if that's what we're having, that's cool.
Again, I agree with everything you've said in your latest post!!!
If we are having a debate, however, your stating your own opinions without further embellishment doesn't cut it as an argument, unless, of course, you're suggesting I believe differently. I don't.
I've addressed your statements point by point. As I hope you see we have no, repeat no, disagreements over any of the points you've raised.
If you want to make a personal policy statement, please do so. Only don't present that in the context of an argument.
Finally, show me my propaganda, if you can. Perhaps we have a different understanding of propaganda. Who knows.
I've show cases where I believe you've used unclear or faulty arguments and where you may be imputing to me beliefs I don't hold.
I also have to say that:
if you really truly believe that my simple statements of fact about the Catskills Alliance hide some underlying slur about your group;
that I'm implying your groups are something different than the Alliance and therefore wrong, inferior, evil...who knows what;
then maybe, just maybe you are projecting on me the type of propaganda you may be using.
I hope this is not true and I am not saying it's true. I am not even implying it's true.
Now it's your turn if you choose.
