"You're UNATTENDED MACROING!"

[XLaCeDX]

So?

You ended up talking to a GM then. Those not wanting to respond will end up talking to a GM instead of the player. Whats the problem there? lol

Not a problem for me.



I don't care who they say hi to.

 

[Aran]

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, it's probably a duck?

Little story.

I am really sick with a bad cold, but, I am playing UO.

Casting EVS at swoop, back when people camped swoop.

Sick, so I would cast 2 evs then close my eyes until I thought it was about time to recast them.

I open my eyes at one point theres a dead guy standing beside me.

I say come over here, meaning off swoop hill, so I could rez him.

He says my name, then says: How are you? or something along those lines.

Instead of saying "OMG I'm so sick I should be in bed and NOT playing UO!"

I just said "sleepy" why?

Took me a couple seconds to realize it was a GM. I was not afk so no harm no foul.

The point of this story is that I must have appeared to be afk to the other players at swoop that day, and I understand that I was at fault for them thinking that.

I made myself look like a cheater.

That is what you do when you refuse to say Hi to someone who is testing you before they page on you for suspicious activities.

You make yourself look guilty.

Do you not see the clear and obvious difference between a GM and a nosy Nancy?

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

So?

You ended up talking to a GM then. Those not wanting to respond will end up talking to a GM instead of the player. Whats the problem there? lol

This is a problem. There are those out there who have a difficult time typing, and spend their conversation time in vent/TS. If someone chooses not to converse with me, they shouldnt have to.

IMO...it should be the game looking for cheaters...not the players policing other players. Often times when players do the policing you have a witch hunt occur. Not good.

 

[mjolnir131]

"Wasting GM time harassing honest players..."


Sorry the way I tell if your 'honest' or not is to test you by saying 'hi' and expecting you to respond,

.

then you have a very poor tool for trying to determine the "cheater' face the facts your trying to hid behind the rules to justify your greifing! end of line.

 

[Kariny]

I think a great deal of posters have missed that point.

After a while most any player figures out who the police are. You keep bugging me I'll hit ignore. I've got a set of 6 week old boys usually sitting in my lap, next to my computer, or in the bouncy seat. Trust me, my gametime is very limited and very precious to me right now. It is my only escape thank you. Yes that one skill point is something right now.
I really look bad because when I have a kid issue I recall out and log immediately. Issue resolved I come right back and get back to work.

You are affecting my gameplay everytime I do have to stop and explain. That's why I exercise the ignore option. Most anyone who does police wants to keep prodding to make sure you haven't just programmed a responce into a script. Sorry, it does tick me off to have to stop and type two letters. Usually it's followed by a bunch of holier than thou crap about scripting.

 

[Connor_Graham]

Sorry the way I tell if your 'honest' or not is to test.........and expecting you to respond

You are no one to be EXPECTING anything from anyone. You're not the UO police. You're not a GM. You don't work for EA. You're a player who's running around playing vigilante. A self righteous one at that. I don't know you from the crack ho standing on the corner, so expect all you want, you're going to be disappointed.

such as those who tailor WHILE HIDDEN in safe areas, which makes no sense tbh and since I know that script programs ask if you'd like to have your char hidden while performing actions, then I will most likely simply page and the let the GM sort it out.

So, because you don't get why someone would craft while hidden they're automatically a scripter huh? Wow. Way to jump to conclusions.

I'd certainly be interested in learning how to tell if a player is 'honest' though.

YOU don't have a way, only GM's do. That should tell you something all by itself. Too bad that kind of sense has never sunk in with you.

And probably never will.

 

[Satanatra]

people that stupid should be set on fire... irl.

I really have to say.. a FORUM MODERATOR saying something as offensive as someone should be set on fire in rl? Think about what you are saying.. really.

They should be SET ON FIRE because of a game.

a moderator no less.

 

[XLaCeDX]

Do you not see the clear and obvious difference between a GM and a nosy Nancy?

A GM is an employee of the gaming company who assists players ingame and helps enforce the rules.

A nosy Nancy sticks her nose in everyone's business?

I really have no idea what point you are attempting to make here.

But let me guess by using a real life example involving both Nancy and a GM.

You mean that a Nosy Nancy, in real life, Me, suspects that the new neighbors across the road are selling drugs, due to the activity that I see around them and their house.

I, Nosy Nancy, am presented with 2 options.

Knowing that I run the risk of being called names such as Nosy and Tattletale, I COULD attempt to improve my image and ignore the activities of my new neighbors.

Or, I could DO THE RIGHT THING, and call the Police, a "GM" here in this example.

Is that what you meant?

 

[XLaCeDX]

This is a problem. There are those out there who have a difficult time typing, and spend their conversation time in vent/TS. If someone chooses not to converse with me, they shouldnt have to.

IMO...it should be the game looking for cheaters...not the players policing other players. Often times when players do the policing you have a witch hunt occur. Not good.

"...witch hunt..."



Let's not get hysterical here.

If I page on you because I suspect you are performing actions while unattended, and a GM comes to speak to you, and you ARE attended, then you suffer nothing but a little inconvenience.

And I see that you are still in-game hours AFTER I paged on you then I can safely assume that you were attended and ARE NOT a cheater and I will never page on you again for the same offense.

The whole point of asking you to respond to me with a simple 'hi' is to save EVERYONE involved the trouble of dealing with a GM.

Anyone who really cares about UO can not simply say:

I REFUSE to say HI to ANYONE.

It's a freaking ONLINE game people that other people besides you play.

Other people MIGHT say hi to you sometime.

Maybe if you can not handle the pressure of saying 'Hi' to another player in UO you might consider playing single player games.

Witch hunt my eye.

 

[XLaCeDX]

I think a great deal of posters have missed that point.

After a while most any player figures out who the police are. You keep bugging me I'll hit ignore. I've got a set of 6 week old boys usually sitting in my lap, next to my computer, or in the bouncy seat. Trust me, my gametime is very limited and very precious to me right now. It is my only escape thank you. Yes that one skill point is something right now.
I really look bad because when I have a kid issue I recall out and log immediately. Issue resolved I come right back and get back to work.

You are affecting my gameplay everytime I do have to stop and explain. That's why I exercise the ignore option. Most anyone who does police wants to keep prodding to make sure you haven't just programmed a responce into a script. Sorry, it does tick me off to have to stop and type two letters. Usually it's followed by a bunch of holier than thou crap about scripting.

You contradict yourself here:


"That's why I exercise the ignore option."

"Sorry, it does tick me off to have to stop and type two letters."

"You are affecting my gameplay everytime I do have to stop and explain."


So it BOTHERS you to have to type 2 letters to me BUT when your refusal to type 2 letters to me makes me think you are unattended so I page and then a GM comes it DOES NOT BOTHER you that:


Speaking to the GM is affecting your "gameplay everytime" you "have to stop and explain" to him that you are not afk.

You are going to have to stop what you are doing and say hi to one of us.


If you ARE attended then in the end YOU have cost EA some money by wasting a GMs time by refusing to say a simple "hi" to another player in an ONLINE game.

I guess I just don't understand why anyone would want to do either of those things.

 

[XLaCeDX]

then you have a very poor tool for trying to determine the "cheater' face the facts your trying to hid behind the rules to justify your greifing! end of line.

I'm a tool-ette thanks.

"Griefing" or harassment in UO is against the rules.

If I am "griefing" innocent people in UO then MY account will be actioned.

End of story.

 

[Ivory Norwind]

I don't understand. GM allows bugs, guys that ruin the player game like releasing a pet near to him, players that go in a place where there is another guy and kill all monsters, verbal harassing ( many times some guy have told me words that i feel embarassed to repeat) and all it's fine.
Macroing away, and for away i mean making a macro not AFK but for example reading some forum, it's a reason of banning.
I had a warning because i was crashed pc and i didn't ask to the warning of GM.
It's right???
More time is passing more i hate osi policy.
I know that if someone uses illegal programs it's right to ban iit.
But they don't understand if a player use illegal program. So, i see a player near me that run at a unusual speed and he can't do this, GM says NOTHING. and me, with a legal program, with a crash of computer that i risk the ban is i do something else.
Much time is passing, much time i think to close all my accounts.
There are too many illegal things, allowed for the GM.

 

[XLaCeDX]

Sorry the way I tell if your 'honest' or not is to test.........and expecting you to respond

You are no one to be EXPECTING anything from anyone. You're not the UO police. You're not a GM. You don't work for EA. You're a player who's running around playing vigilante. A self righteous one at that. I don't know you from the crack ho standing on the corner, so expect all you want, you're going to be disappointed.

such as those who tailor WHILE HIDDEN in safe areas, which makes no sense tbh and since I know that script programs ask if you'd like to have your char hidden while performing actions, then I will most likely simply page and the let the GM sort it out.

So, because you don't get why someone would craft while hidden they're automatically a scripter huh? Wow. Way to jump to conclusions.

I'd certainly be interested in learning how to tell if a player is 'honest' though.

YOU don't have a way, only GM's do. That should tell you something all by itself. Too bad that kind of sense has never sunk in with you.

And probably never will.

"You are no one to be EXPECTING anything from anyone. You're not the UO police. You're not a GM. You don't work for EA. You're a player who's running around playing vigilante. A self righteous one at that. I don't know you from the crack ho standing on the corner, so expect all you want, you're going to be disappointed."


I AM SOMEONE damn it.

I am a UO player who does her best to abide by the rules of the contract she signed when she started to play the game. I HAVE THE RIGHT to EXPECT that the other people in UO also abide by the same contract that THEY ALSO SIGNED before they began to play the game.

Don't forget that EA gives me the RIGHT AND THE TOOLS to report suspected cheaters.


"I don't know you from the crack ho standing on the corner,"

Just as I don't know your hidden tailor is making tailoring sounds because you are attended or if it is run by a script which ASKS IF YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE YOUR CHAR REMAIN HIDDEN WHILE IT PERFORMS ACTIONS.

Now, if you SEE me standing on a corner late at night you might assume that I am a 'crack ho', just as if I HEAR tailoring sounds from your hidden tailor I might assume that you are a scripter.



"

I'd certainly be interested in learning how to tell if a player is 'honest' though.

YOU don't have a way, only GM's do."


I refer you back to:


Post #81 by Connor Graham:


"So you harass innocent players while on your holy crusade."


I must have said 'honest' when I meant 'innocent'.


I was asking you how I am supposed to know if someone is 'innocent' ingame so that I don't page on them accidentally when they are on their high horse and too good to respond to me saying hi to them.

I will have to disagree with you that only GMs can tell who is honest and not honest.

Since GMs can't seem to DO anything about players who use scripts while attended, they certainly CAN'T tell that those players are dishonest, even though they are breaking the rules by using scripts.

I tend to think people that are not actioned by GMs after I page on them for suspected scripting ARE honest.

"So you harass innocent players while on your holy crusade."

Again, harassment is against the rules. You can page on ME if you really think that I am harassing you.

"Yeah, that's got to be good for the community and the game as a whole."

I have seen 8 out of 10 people that I have paged on actioned. So that means 8 out of 10 were breaking the rules. I'd think stopping 80% of the crime in your community would be a good thing.


Armadillo hat?

 

[kelmo]

Lighten up, kids...

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

"...witch hunt..."



Let's not get hysterical here.

If I page on you because I suspect you are performing actions while unattended, and a GM comes to speak to you, and you ARE attended, then you suffer nothing but a little inconvenience.

And I see that you are still in-game hours AFTER I paged on you then I can safely assume that you were attended and ARE NOT a cheater and I will never page on you again for the same offense.

The whole point of asking you to respond to me with a simple 'hi' is to save EVERYONE involved the trouble of dealing with a GM.

Anyone who really cares about UO can not simply say:

I REFUSE to say HI to ANYONE.

It's a freaking ONLINE game people that other people besides you play.

Other people MIGHT say hi to you sometime.

Maybe if you can not handle the pressure of saying 'Hi' to another player in UO you might consider playing single player games.

Witch hunt my eye.

You are one of those who refuse to see the other point of view even when it looks you in the face. You spend your time thinking games are seriuz bidness while you own neighbor is burying the wife out back.

Seriously though, do you expect people to say hi to you every time in the real world? Perhaps its time you unburied your head from the sand.

Next time you page on a legally blind person, or a person disabled to the point they cannot easily type...think about how the GM will view the situation. I do not see any fairness here, only a self serving ignorant idiot thoughtless of the issues of others. I do not see why others should suffer because you do not feel good about others returning a hello...do you?

FYI...there are many people who play games like this to escape the disabilities they deal with in life...many people. Do you think they deserve to be inconvenienced in a game by the same people who inconvenience them IRL?

Hypocrite much?

 

[Connor_Graham]

You are one of those who refuse to see the other point of view even when it looks you in the face. You spend your time thinking games are seriuz bidness while you own neighbor is burying the wife out back.

Seriously though, do you expect people to say hi to you every time in the real world? Perhaps its time you unburied your head from the sand.

Next time you page on a legally blind person, or a person disabled to the point they cannot easily type...think about how the GM will view the situation. I do not see any fairness here, only a self serving ignorant idiot thoughtless of the issues of others. I do not see why others should suffer because you do not feel good about others returning a hello...do you?

FYI...there are many people who play games like this to escape the disabilities they deal with in life...many people. Do you think they deserve to be inconvenienced in a game by the same people who inconvenience them IRL?

Hypocrite much?

I think the easier question for her to answer would be "non-hypocrite much?". Too bad she doesn't understand why it is that vigilante-ism is against the law in every civilized country in the world.

 

[Kariny]

I think a great deal of posters have missed that point.

After a while most any player figures out who the police are. You keep bugging me I'll hit ignore. I've got a set of 6 week old boys usually sitting in my lap, next to my computer, or in the bouncy seat. Trust me, my gametime is very limited and very precious to me right now. It is my only escape thank you. Yes that one skill point is something right now.
I really look bad because when I have a kid issue I recall out and log immediately. Issue resolved I come right back and get back to work.

You are affecting my gameplay everytime I do have to stop and explain. That's why I exercise the ignore option. Most anyone who does police wants to keep prodding to make sure you haven't just programmed a responce into a script. Sorry, it does tick me off to have to stop and type two letters. Usually it's followed by a bunch of holier than thou crap about scripting.

You contradict yourself here:


"That's why I exercise the ignore option."

"Sorry, it does tick me off to have to stop and type two letters."

"You are affecting my gameplay everytime I do have to stop and explain."


So it BOTHERS you to have to type 2 letters to me BUT when your refusal to type 2 letters to me makes me think you are unattended so I page and then a GM comes it DOES NOT BOTHER you that:


Speaking to the GM is affecting your "gameplay everytime" you "have to stop and explain" to him that you are not afk.

You are going to have to stop what you are doing and say hi to one of us.


If you ARE attended then in the end YOU have cost EA some money by wasting a GMs time by refusing to say a simple "hi" to another player in an ONLINE game.

I guess I just don't understand why anyone would want to do either of those things.

When you get a GM Robe I'll bother with it. Otherwise I don't answer to anyone I don't choose to. UO allows for solo gameplay.

It's much easier to just hit ignore with my mouse since I usually have one hand free. I don't really have to even do that much anymore since most of the vigilantes are already on ignore.

Why do you pay EA to police? Do you really ever play? Is that all you really ever do is just go around bugging players? Maybe if you feel so strongly you need to apply for a GM job.

 

[jfkeach]

Well... I dont ever macro unattended. I do however Log onto two accounts simultaneously, one one computer using 2 windows login accounts, and with one acccount Discord the pets belonging to a tamer on second account. I then switch users to the tamer and train my pets.

I dont think it is unattended, because I am there on both accounts, although I would have to switch users if a GM showed up. I am not using a third party cheat, and not even running macros. I stand there as the tamer and feed the pet(s) and let them cast training their magery, and every now and then have them guard me to keep them in combat mode.

Sorry, but it is my understanding that is not cheating, because I am actively playing the tamer, although the bard just sits there in limbo. Once she has used the skill, she just has to stand there and look pretty to keep pets discorded.

I might have to invis the bard if we get attacked, but I am using game mechanics and windows in ways it was designed to be used. Not exploiting or cheating so feel free to page gm on me. As far as i know, if a char is not doing any actions (Macroing) it is perfectly legal to be logged in and standing there unattended.