Your Thoughts About The Changes to Shame

[Madrid]

I hear you but ever since they totally messed everything up by adding imbuing to allow everyone to get amazing items on a daily basis I think its been a joke. They started this free-for-all of over the top items so I am riding the wave.

If you can't beat em' join em'. I completely understand...

DOOM is now obsolete as is the Ornament of the Magician. Corgul and his Ring of the Soul binder is obsolete. Osiredon and his Enchanted Coral Bracelet is Obsolete.

I really don't know what these guys are thinking...

 

[arkanos]

I have not seen it mentioned yet thats why I post it:

just pulled a dagger with 40 SSI...

If this goes for all weapons... uh oh

Hephaistos of Europa

 

[Dermott of LS]

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SSI is an odd duck in that regards of what the SSI amount is, it maxes at weapon speed of 1.25s.

So once depending on your character's Dex level the item has a speed of 1.25s, you're maxed out.

On the Tetsubos I make for PvM purposes, if I put SSI at all on them, it generally isn't anywhere near the max level. I get it just enough to hit the 1.25s level.

On slower weapons, that's going to be big though... faster ones... not so much.

 

[arkanos]

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SSI is an odd duck in that regards of what the SSI amount is, it maxes at weapon speed of 1.25s.

So once depending on your character's Dex level the item has a speed of 1.25s, you're maxed out.

On the Tetsubos I make for PvM purposes, if I put SSI at all on them, it generally isn't anywhere near the max level. I get it just enough to hit the 1.25s level.

On slower weapons, that's going to be big though... faster ones... not so much.

Yes, thats exactly what I mean, with 180 stam and 60 SSI you can swing a 3.75 base speed weapon at max. And if you theoretically could enhance bows to 50SSI or actually manage to loot a usable hard hitter with 40SSI it will be much easier to reach SSI cap. And this will clear room on the suit for even more mods.(the invasion weapons already have up to 50SSI but they are limited in imbuing space of course).

Something else: it also does matter on faster weapons because you can theoretically put way less points into dex/stam and still easily swing at cap. And this again opens up space for other stats (int/str).

Hephaistos of Europa

 

[arkanos]

And btw: just found new DI of 35 on jewels AND on shields (18 SDI has been already posted I think).
Looks like it is half of the new max DI of 70

And saw Hit lightning 70 and hit mana drain 70

Velocity 40 and HCI 35 found on bows

I am starting to go with the "this is OP" crowd

 

[CovenantX]

The most powerful monsters in the game with 100K HP don't even drop items of the magnitide that have been implemented in shame. It makes absolustely no sense our most powerful monsters in the game drop inferior items.

I'm sure after all the dungeons are revamped (all facets included) artifacts will be more balanced tward the loot we're getting in shame now. the main thing is to bring life back to the dungeons, and make the loot comparable to imbuing. if it wernt for Crafted items being as good as they are, the loot wouldn't have needed a revamp.

Even pre imbuing the only thing people used that wasn't Crafted was Sometimes a weapon... or the obvious amazing artifacts Still currently being used.

 

[CovenantX]

And btw: just found new DI of 35 on jewels AND on shields (18 SDI has been already posted I think).
Looks like it is half of the new max DI of 70

And saw Hit lightning 70 and hit mana drain 70

Velocity 40 and HCI 35 found on bows

I am starting to go with the "this is OP" crowd

The thing about bows (atleast what i've run into), is none of the bows i've looted since the patch seem to be enhanceable... i had one comp bow with 40 ssi, and i went to enhance it, it told me it was already enhanced. then i tried another "Legendary Artifact" bow, and it also was not enhanceable

as far as items being OP goes. there are hard caps to everything, and most of those caps are already Very easily met with imbuing. so I'd have to say these items aren't that overpowered.

 

[arkanos]

The thing about bows (atleast what i've run into), is none of the bows i've looted since the patch seem to be enhanceable... i had one comp bow with 40 ssi, and i went to enhance it, it told me it was already enhanced. then i tried another "Legendary Artifact" bow, and it also was not enhanceable

as far as items being OP goes. there are hard caps to everything, and most of those caps are already Very easily met with imbuing. so I'd have to say these items aren't that overpowered.

I agree with you.
But SSI cap was not easily reached unless you sacrificed some other things (even with imbuing).
Interesting that they thought about enhancing and obviously thought that it was not a good idea.
So in theory (meaning you first have to find a good 40SSI dexer weap) archers lost their "10 SSI enhancing advantage" ...
Would be a good time to get the leeches on bows on par with melee weapons...

Hephaistos of Europa

 

[CovenantX]

I think more tweaking is needed, but over all they did an amazing job with the shame revamp

I do however think Items such as Non-medable Armor, and 2 handed weapons should spawn more commonly without negative properties.
these items aren't used much because the damage output is not worth the ability to chug/swing faster And people don't want to sacrifice mana regen from Mediation to use this armor.(Unless of course there is a balance coming to these items in the future we have not heard about yet =D

The Loot themed idea many people have suggested, as for Bone Armor in Deciet & Dragon Armor in Destard etc. obviously theArmor themed loot in deciet wouldn't be the Only type of armor to drop, but would be far more common than other types.

Slayer weapons dropping on Opposing Dungeons & Mobs should be reimplemented as well, it was a great idea back in the day, and it just makes sense.

More item's obtained with the system used for Shame points to get the Whetstone of Enervation. This system is probably one of the best things in the revamp of shame, hopefully there are more to come in each dungeon.

I also think there should be more mobs that actually use magic weapons.
Orc Brutes use a War Mace, thus why it drops one Everytime
Gargoyle Destroyers Drop a Large Battle Axe.
(Remember the Invasion that first spawned Chaos Dragoon Elites?)
these Dragoons, used Magic Broad Swords which you could ID on their paper doll. and this sword would drop in the loot. a change like this would make some mobs more difficult based on what properties their weapon has, Like an Executioner for example should drop a magic executioner's axe every time. Imagine your hunting revamped Executioner with your Greater Dragon, and one spawns with an axe that has dragon slayer... things like that I think would be interesting and make these types of mobs not really the same fight over and over again.

 

[RavenWinterHawk]

I want to add... changes yesterday.

I think adding positive bonuses are needed too.

A chance for relics.
A chance for 50 to 150 more imbuing space.


I think the shame loot is a great change... I caution about making it something (over time) that becomes discard the low end stuff and look for high end stuff. In the end you just recreate what already exists once the novelty wears off.

Finding a low end ring with 1 mod and a 100 boost in imbuing space gives reason to hunt low end monsters.

Variety! and random...

 

[arkanos]

I want to add... changes yesterday.

I think adding positive bonuses are needed too.

A chance for relics.
A chance for 50 to 150 more imbuing space.


I think the shame loot is a great change... I caution about making it something (over time) that becomes discard the low end stuff and look for high end stuff. In the end you just recreate what already exists once the novelty wears off.

Finding a low end ring with 1 mod and a 100 boost in imbuing space gives reason to hunt low end monsters.

Variety! and random...

Hmm, I don´t see it that way really.
You can still make more relics than you need for personal use in shame. I make around 20 per hour in level 5. But yes, you will now need to hunt the tougher monsters (and chars can always join others if these mobs are too hard alone).

And on your comment that low level mobs will be forgotten now:

Well, at least on my shard I see a lot of very experienced players actually farm levels 1 and 2 for clean items with only one desired mod above the cap and room to imbue to your needs. Those items are also the only ones that really sell on Europa btw...
And the chance to get this is much higher in the lower levels.
A clean brace or ring with SSI 10 would be more worth to me than any other item I have seen so far (apart from that godly brace that was found).
So I guess all levels have their use really...

Just my 2 cents.

Hephaistos of Europa

 

[Tina Small]

Hmm, I don´t see it that way really.
You can still make more relics than you need for personal use in shame. I make around 20 per hour in level 5. But yes, you will now need to hunt the tougher monsters (and chars can always join others if these mobs are too hard alone).

I doubt I'll get to visit level 5 Shame very often, so at this point I'm just going to have to dig in and figure out how to enhance looted items so they'll unravel to relic fragments and do the one or two Percolem quests every other day to get a relic fragment or two. I will never be swimming in relic fragments but at least I got a small supply of about 300 the last week or so on the shard where I've been training a new artificer. Peanuts compared to a lot of other folks, I know, but if I horde it carefully maybe it will last me a while.

 

[Sevin0oo0]

loot definitely took a nose-dive, what a shocker when i first played today.

A problem I have is highlight color, Ex. a greater earth ele that is moused over, or has you targeted, are both the same color, making it hard to tell who's who.

 

[pgib]

how to enhance looted items so they'll unravel to relic fragments

My scientific method is: enhance everything to valorite-barbed-frostwood. Even with the new nerfix i get 2-5 relics per 40 items, looted from blood elementals (normal ones) with 500 luck.