Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pack?

[Skrag]

Re: Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pa

Also, under a global search system where selling an item DOESN'T require either A) a vendor in a prime location B) spamming the universe with runes to your shop, or C) bartering in chat for an hour, I suspect you would see a LOT more people selling stuff.

You'll see people digging through their houses, pulling out all the old arties that dropped and they haven't gotten around to selling, turning up all sorts of crap and tossing it on a vendor because now they can instantly compete with Luna without having to do anything special.

Once any old UO packrat can just dump a bunch of crap on a vendor and instantly be on equal footing with any other vendor in the game, I suspect you'll see a SHOCKING amount of stuff out there.

 

[Ezekiel Zane]

Re: Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pa

Let me premise this post by saying that I've hardly played now for almost two years but I still have 4 continuously active accounts and a total of 14 accounts.

One of my biggest frustrations in UO is the lack of a vendor search system. I haven't read any of this thread and I have never played any other MMO. I want the devs to address this issue.

For those who reminisce about the yester years of vendor houses, sorry to say, it's been gone for years. The devs need to put in a unified vendor/auction system period.

 

[Radugast]

Re: Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pa

I would love to see it as part of a booster pack but not the main attraction. Much like the added 20% storage addition from this last booster pack. This would really help out the small shops and player run towns that operate outside Luna and Zento. If they do this, they should still make it so people buy the items from the actually vendor and not through an auction system; however, an auction system held at a central location such as banks could be a seperate feature that the UO offers! Keep the Search engine and auction seperate!

 

[Llewen]

Re: Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pa

My vote would be Yes for a lookup and a small map If they get rid of the 3rd party program ones (Funny how they were supposedly gathering info and gunna take care of 3rd party stuff but can't get rid of a macro running on every shard around luna taking data), Untill then dont waste the time, UO's version prolly wouldnt be as good lol

From what I understand they deliberately chose not to target the vendor search engine scripts. I think they know who the are, I think they just chose not to do anything about them. Having said that, Lord Chaos is right, those search engine sites aren't good for the game in the sense that they make it very hard for any vendor not in the search area to get any business. Luna will still be a good location for vendors even with a proper search engine that covers the entire game, simply because of the centralized location, unless the engine teleports you directly to the location.

 

[Smoot]

Re: Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pa

Current situation: A non high profile vendor lists 10 seeds of renewel for 800k.
Reseller buys and sells for 1.2 mil, or a player who will actual use them buys them for the 800k.

Global search system: A non high profile lists 10 seeds of renewel for 1.1 mil, seeing that luna price is 1.2mil.
Reseller buys at 1.1 mil, and resells all at 1.5 mil. Or a player who will use them pays 1.1 mil.

What are you even talking about? Under a global search system terms like "high profile seller" and "luna price" don't exist. There's just the going price. The location and profile of the seller don't matter. Have you ever played a game with a searchable economy? (In the form of an auction house normally.) Usually you don't even bother to read the name of the person you're buying from because you don't give a crap.

There's the going price, and that price is determined by how much the market is willing to pay. Right now Luna prices are vastly higher because Luna is more convenient, and the market is willing to pay extra for convenience. That's what Luna does, it sells convenience. Make that convenience irrelevant with a search system and the price people are willing to pay won't just magically go up for no reason.

If the "luna price" for ten seeds is 1.2m in your scenario, and someone buys some cheap seeds and lists them for 1.5m? Guess what, nobody is going to buy them for 1.5 when they can just use the search feature to easily buy the ones that cost 1.2 instead.

And if they ALL go up to 1.5 then that's because the market will bear that price, not because one guy out in the middle of the woods sold for 1.1 instead of 800k. If the price goes up too high people will start undercutting it for faster sales.

And Skrag, before i didnt care about gold, yes, i did "roam the lands." I knew i wanted to get say a 120 swords, and would just keep an eye out for a cheap price. After maybe a few weeks id find one. I didnt spend hours running from vendor to vendor checking them all ocd style, just checking as i did other things that happened to take me past vendors.

This is where you need to realize that you are not normal, nobody else wants to do this, and that's exactly why Luna can get away with charging higher prices.

Scrag, your one of the people who think this would just be a simple convienence. There of course would still be "high profile shops." If a map coords / a map were given, the ones closest to a recognizable landmark would be "high profile." Do you go to the shops listed on the websites that are out there now that are in the middle of nowhere in malas or wherever they might be?

Yes i have played games with a searchable economy. The prices on them are much much higher than what something is worth. For a while a few of us "worked the auction house" and had / still have (cancelled account) Max amount of gold a character can hold on that game, on a few characters, as well as a 1 person guild bank for overflow. Really, its very very easy to control prices. So no prices dont "majically" go up, people cause them to go up, and people still buy overpriced goods as long as they want something quick (people like you i guess lol)

About not going out and buying the first thing you see at a luna vendor, well your just inpatient. In a game that thats 13 years old (im guessing you didnt play very much of that) if you didnt have patience you didnt last long. Alot of my freinds quit after a week because they got tired of being ganked by reds and losing all there stuff.
Anyway it doesnt matter your inpatient or not, because with this system those "cheap" items will not be around. Hell i wouldnt be surprised if someone figured out to script of a global system like this if it were put ingame.

Constructive ideas are great, but stop arguing for the sake of arguing.

 

[Skrag]

Re: Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pa

Scrag, your one of the people who think this would just be a simple convienence. There of course would still be "high profile shops." If a map coords / a map were given, the ones closest to a recognizable landmark would be "high profile."

Not if the system opens a gate or spits out a rune to a given shop on command. It staggers the imagination that you can boo-hoo about "high profile shops" and then in the same breath argue against the only thing that would make that profile irrelevant.

Do you go to the shops listed on the websites that are out there now that are in the middle of nowhere in malas or wherever they might be?

Yes. I won't roam the planet searching every random vendor for a week to save some gold, but I certainly will run for a minute or two.

Yes i have played games with a searchable economy. The prices on them are much much higher than what something is worth.

You have this amazing ability to spit out sentences that have absolutely no meaning. I don't mean sentences that are merely incorrect, I mean sentences that are literal non sequiturs. An item is worth what someone will pay for it. All you just said was "Items were worth more than they were worth!" Does not compute.

For a while a few of us "worked the auction house" and had / still have (cancelled account) Max amount of gold a character can hold on that game, on a few characters, as well as a 1 person guild bank for overflow. Really, its very very easy to control prices. So no prices dont "majically" go up, people cause them to go up, and people still buy overpriced goods as long as they want something quick (people like you i guess lol)

Hey chuckles, what do you think would happen if you took 75% of the listings off the auction house and hid them on unsearchable vendors in the middle of nowhere? When the remaining sellers saw that most of their competition had been taken away and hidden where almost no one would find it, do you think they would start charging LESS for their own items?

About not going out and buying the first thing you see at a luna vendor, well your just inpatient. In a game that thats 13 years old (im guessing you didnt play very much of that) if you didnt have patience you didnt last long. Alot of my freinds quit after a week because they got tired of being ganked by reds and losing all there stuff.

Listen champ, nobody cares how long you've played. Nobody cares how leet you think you are. Nobody in the history of the internet has ever given even a tiny fraction of a damn about these kinds of pathetic generic flames. Running around the woods endlessly for weeks hunting bargains is inconvenient and stupid, and most of UO agrees with me and not you or else Luna wouldn't be the heart of the economy, search sites wouldn't be huge business, and we wouldn't be having this discussion at all.

Period.

Also, 10+ year veteran here and the word is impatient with an M. Inpatient refers to being hospitalized, which is what I'll probably be if I have to keep explaining what words mean, how they're spelled, and how basic economic principles function.

That bit about player-to-player transactions functioning as a gold faucet and increasing inflation alone should probably disqualify you from ever talking about anything related to economics ever again.

 

[Babble]

Re: Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pa

But if the player who gets the gold quits then it is out of the economy?

 

[Thav12]

Re: Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pa

Don't fix what isn't broken. The community has spoken a long time ago. We don't like senseless clicking and we don't like searching for ever for items. Solutions have been created and have sustained this old game for 13 years. Use these solutions if you want or need them. Don't go stirring up conversations about stuff that is already solved. Let the devs that are (or dev that is) left work on fixing critical things and adding fun content for the few years uo has left. That alone will allow this game some longevity I hope. And as I gave said this before, I hope this game is around for as long as possible. Fix the EC for instance.

 

[ziggy29]

Re: Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pa

I'd rather have a "search" feature which tells me where I put everything inside my house so I don't spend several minutes looking through all my containers for stuff!

 

[Dermott of LS]

Re: Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pa

...

I'd rather have a "search" feature which tells me where I put everything inside my house so I don't spend several minutes looking through all my containers for stuff!

Grid and List views for containers do WONDERS for this.

 

[Harlequin]

Re: Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pa

I would love to see this feature as part of a publish.

This feature by itself is not enough to qualify as a booster, but probably acceptable as part of a more comprehensive booster.

 

[Lord Urza]

Re: Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pa

Its BECAUSE of people like you saying no that has caused the luna vendors to become so massively popular.

I doubt it, I own 1 luna vendor, and dont make alot off it, its not even on my luna house. I if you read what I wrote then you seen I said I would like to see vendors in other places, I hate that luna is "the" vendor city.

 

[Lord Urza]

Re: Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pa

I like the idea of having to look for good deals, threwout sosaria, I dont like the idea of a luna search, or a global search.
I want uo to be emersive and things like search engines take me out of the game, and remind me "oh yeah im playing a game"
I would prefer to see UO more like real life where you would have to search out good deals.

I remember when gate houses were worth some money, and there were some really nice gate shops.

 

[Morloch]

Re: Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pa

I like the idea of having to look for good deals, threwout sosaria, I dont like the idea of a luna search, or a global search.
I want uo to be emersive and things like search engines take me out of the game, and remind me "oh yeah im playing a game"
I would prefer to see UO more like real life where you would have to search out good deals.

I remember when gate houses were worth some money, and there were some really nice gate shops.

I'm afraid you are asking for a Utopia (and what's more, your personal one, neither mine, nor that of the majority of this board if the poll results are anything to go by ).
I personally hate shopping, both IRL and in UO - I use the internet IRL to find the best deals and either order online, or go to the better shop.
I'd like to be able to do the same in UO.

Like you, I hate Luna search sites - not because they are 'illegal', but for 2 reasons. 1) because even when I put stuff up for sale on my vendor, even at half Luna prices, it can take weeks to sell, when the same stuff in Luna sells in a day or two (and I'm not far outside Luna). and 2) When i want to buy something, I have to dedicate 1-2 days hunting for it if I want the best price (I'm a casual player).

The problem is that Luna search sites are unlikely to be got rid of...
So the appeal to 'make everything how it once was' is just a pipe dream.

The only real option is to modify what is there, by making it more inclusive - EG by adding a global search system.

 

[dukarlo]

Re: Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pa

Why do people want to keep giving more money to EA? The last booster was very weak and broken in many ways. Pvp has been butchered, theres a million bugs out there already and with all talk about 3rd party cheat detection, cheating is still rampant. Yeah lets give EA more money.

 

[Lord Chaos]

Re: Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pa

I doubt it, I own 1 luna vendor, and dont make alot off it, its not even on my luna house. I if you read what I wrote then you seen I said I would like to see vendors in other places, I hate that luna is "the" vendor city.

It doesn't really matter if you own a lune home. Its you guys saying no thats the cause of the rise of luna search sites and continued business concentration there, instead of spread out throughout the game.

 

[Lord Chaos]

Re: Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pa

I like the idea of having to look for good deals, threwout sosaria, I dont like the idea of a luna search, or a global search.
I want uo to be emersive and things like search engines take me out of the game, and remind me "oh yeah im playing a game"
I would prefer to see UO more like real life where you would have to search out good deals.

Yeah, but then we invented the internet and that became a whole lot easier, because you can now search for things.

In the end, no one is forcing you to use it, if you don't like it, then simply don't use it and find your own deals.

I remember when gate houses were worth some money, and there were some really nice gate shops.

And now its all Luna and it will continue to be all Luna until we get a search system thats proper.

 

[Ozzmandias]

Re: Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pa

Yes! I want!

But also... Make it so you can search the boxes in your OWN HOUSE and if found have an option to put it in a moving / search crate accesible from your house sign.

The number of times I have searched through the same damn boxes for that odd talisman or trinket... For the love of God someone save me and make a house search option!

Please!

Oz

 

[Smoot]

Re: Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pa

Guess the only way we could see what happens, is if it ever happens, which i doubt.

I would like to say something tho.

Are all of you aware that you can post your vendors to at least one current search site (the one i use not sure about the others) no matter where they are? Its not common, but sometimes ill see a vendor in the middle of malas, or far on one end of zento, or wherever. They give coords so are easily found. I know this doesnt help buyers, as not all vendors are listed, but sellers who aren't happy with sales can easily list there shop, no matter where it is.
I just don't know why everyone complains about luna when this search is already available to everyone, just not in game.

 

[RavenWinterHawk]

Re: Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pa

Nice Troll Poll.

A vendor search system is for the lazy player.

Geez. Not another idiot discussion about vendor search.

If you make a vendor search, 1 player can run the market. Do you really think players are going to put their cloak of lala out for 100k when you see vendors having it for 1 million.

Do you really think the AM player won't read that demon bones will give your rewards and search the vendor search and buy up all the demon bones that morning.

Vendor search is the worst idea ever. Go make friends and trade.

 

[RavenWinterHawk]

Re: Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pa

I've been wondering why they hadn't done that for years. But, that is also a part of what makes UO so great.... how crappy it is.....

*Log onto game*
Man, I really need (x).
Guess I'll go check luna.
*Wonder around luna for an hour*
*purchase many items I didn't actually need*
CRAP, couldn't find it... hmm... guess i'll hope someone dropped some runes to their vendors.
Recalls off runes dropped on ground.
*Crap*
*Crap*
*Crap*
3 hours go by.

Guess I'll start again tomorrow.

Because it will allow 1 or a few players to run the markets. Every resource and hot item will be bought up and sold for stupid amounts of money.

For example. FISHING WILL BE 120 in a month. BAM - fishing scrolls disappeared and now sell for 200 to 500k a point versus 10k a point prior to game change.

 

[RavenWinterHawk]

Re: Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pa

No thanks. It takes very little to look round vendors in person, especially the Luna ones. Or, revolutionary as it might be to some, simply keeping a runebook with your favourite shops in.

It won't drop Luna prices if we had a vendor search. Their owners will simply find it easier to locate stock to resell. Which in turn would make it harder for folk to find bargains, because they'd be bought out by resellers.

There are plenty of better things to devote time to IMO.

Wenchy

Wise and well said.

Its like when the said computers will decrease the use of paper. YEAH. Well we just printed out everything on our screens. ENDLESSLY.

A search system will do nothing to lower prices or effect luna. If fact I would search the vendors with vendor search... buy the hot stuff and take it to luna.

Yep its a game. And if you give me and other players a way to improve our merchanting GMness. We will use it and abuse it.

 

[Smoot]

Re: Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pa

Exactly

 

[phantus]

Re: Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pa

I'm already tired of paying for content when I have an active subscription. They want to put out a real expansion that is fine but a booster is not an expansion.

This should have been in the game years ago. It should work off a seperate server so it doesn't affect gameplay. It should cost a % of the price to add to the auction that covers the shipping fee. If it HAS to be the old fashioned walk uphill both way UO method of introduction of plausible systems then there should be an additional fee to transport the player to the vendor.

It absolutely amazes me how a small group of people have squelched this type of system from being introduced. Only surmounted by the devs inability to identify things that the majority actually want and put in place.

At this point I don't really give a rats ass unless the illegal search sites(which I use everytime I look for stuff) are not working. I should not have to use these sites to do something that the game I pay a monthly fee should provide. I'm sick of this argument. /rant

 

[shulginist]

Re: Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pa

Nice Troll Poll.

A vendor search system is for the lazy player.

Geez. Not another idiot discussion about vendor search.

If you make a vendor search, 1 player can run the market. Do you really think players are going to put their cloak of lala out for 100k when you see vendors having it for 1 million.

Do you really think the AM player won't read that demon bones will give your rewards and search the vendor search and buy up all the demon bones that morning.

Vendor search is the worst idea ever. Go make friends and trade.

Not sure how its a troll poll first off. The vendor search wouldn't just be about the buyer so I am not sure how you say it is for the lazy player. 1 player can run the market on stuff now. It is definitely not the worst idea ever. You can still have friends and trade and want a vendor search. Fail post is fail.

 

[Lord Chaos]

Re: Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pa

Because it will allow 1 or a few players to run the markets. Every resource and hot item will be bought up and sold for stupid amounts of money.

LOL, you don't understand the market, do you?

For example. FISHING WILL BE 120 in a month. BAM - fishing scrolls disappeared and now sell for 200 to 500k a point versus 10k a point prior to game change.

And then someone else will undercut that guy to get THEIR resales sold. And so on and so forth. In the end, those outside of luna get their stuff sold and everyone can buy what they need.

Despite the luna search engines its still easy to find good deals with vastly varied prices in luna, it will be the same, but even more varied gamewide.

 

[RavenWinterHawk]

Re: Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pa

LOL, you don't understand the market, do you?



And then someone else will undercut that guy to get THEIR resales sold. And so on and so forth. In the end, those outside of luna get their stuff sold and everyone can buy what they need.

Despite the luna search engines its still easy to find good deals with vastly varied prices in luna, it will be the same, but even more varied gamewide.

Your dreaming if you think this market is like a real market. The in game items are easily bought up by a few. There are no mechanisms to prevent that. And there aren't enough items to think players are going to constantly undercut each other to create some FLUFF in the sky prices... Less you are talking about recall scrolls, furniture and garbage like that.

A vendor search for UO means you will be able to find all the recall scrolls and pieces of furniture you need. And the 12 23 33 21 06 piece of armour you want. WOOHOO.

As for items of value and demand. They will be bought up and priced up in a flash.

Youre kidding yourself if you think JOE ETHICS is going to have enough fishing scrolls (for example) to drive down the price by out pricing the GUY that has 2 billion in gold.

Thats what happened to Fishing SOTs, Blue Diamonds a bit back, SOS's, Fabled Nets, Plain nets. And I can go on.



Never will happen.

 

[shulginist]

Re: Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pa

The guy who has 2b gold didn't get it on accident most likely. A lot of the people who have that kinda gold are the ones who work the market already so not much will change there.

 

[Lord Chaos]

Re: Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pa

Your dreaming if you think this market is like a real market. The in game items are easily bought up by a few. There are no mechanisms to prevent that. And there aren't enough items to think players are going to constantly undercut each other to create some FLUFF in the sky prices... Less you are talking about recall scrolls, furniture and garbage like that.

A vendor search for UO means you will be able to find all the recall scrolls and pieces of furniture you need. And the 12 23 33 21 06 piece of armour you want. WOOHOO.

As for items of value and demand. They will be bought up and priced up in a flash.

Youre kidding yourself if you think JOE ETHICS is going to have enough fishing scrolls (for example) to drive down the price by out pricing the GUY that has 2 billion in gold.

Thats what happened to Fishing SOTs, Blue Diamonds a bit back, SOS's, Fabled Nets, Plain nets. And I can go on.

Never will happen.

This scare scenario didn't even happen with the luna search engines. There's still lots of great deals in Luna to be made, despite it being so easy to buy up.

It just won't happen and the market will correct itself if anyone tries as someone else will start buying up too and then undercut you.

 

[[JD]]

Re: Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pa

I'd be all for a free publish shard wide vendor search. Give those guys in Luna some competition. Also it would get people moving around the unused maps in the land, hunting for the house. Win win win.

yes.

 

[Skrag]

Re: Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pa

I like the idea of having to look for good deals, threwout sosaria,

Nobody else does.

I mean I'm sure some other chucklehead in this thread will tell us how they love it too, but the fact remains that Luna is the vendor capital of UO for a reason and it's not because everyone enjoys roaming the world shopping for hours.

A vendor search system is for the lazy player.

Oh boy, a smug borderline troll here to lecture us on being "lazy" in our recreational activities. Oh man, I feel bad about my video game work ethic.

As for items of value and demand. They will be bought up and priced up in a flash.

All prices sampled at the time of this post.

Lowest 120 Magery in Atlantic Luna: 14m
Highest 120 Magery in Atlantic Luna: 16m
Variation between the two: 14%

Lowest 120 Mysticism in Atlantic Luna: 11m
Highest 120 Mysticism in Atlantic Luna: 16m
Variation between the two: 45%

Lowest 120 Swords in Atlantic Luna: 5m
Highest 120 Swords in Atlantic Luna: 6.75m
Variation between the two: 35%

Lowest 120 Fencing in Atlantic Luna: 1m
Highest 120 Fencing in Atlantic Luna: 2.5m
Variation between the two: 150%

This idiotic nightmare scenario where one guy buys out every item in the game and corners the whole market isn't even happening in Luna. Right now. On the busiest shard. With search sites in place. Because surprise, there's more than one rich guy in UO and they have to compete with each other if they want to sell whatever they're buying up.

Quit acting like it's a real thing.

 

[Ls Jax Ls]

Re: Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pa

Nobody else does.

I mean I'm sure some other chucklehead in this thread will tell us how they love it too, but the fact remains that Luna is the vendor capital of UO for a reason and it's not because everyone enjoys roaming the world shopping for hours.



Oh boy, a smug borderline troll here to lecture us on being "lazy" in our recreational activities. Oh man, I feel bad about my video game work ethic.



All prices sampled at the time of this post.

Lowest 120 Magery in Atlantic Luna: 14m
Highest 120 Magery in Atlantic Luna: 16m
Variation between the two: 14%

Lowest 120 Mysticism in Atlantic Luna: 11m
Highest 120 Mysticism in Atlantic Luna: 16m
Variation between the two: 45%

Lowest 120 Swords in Atlantic Luna: 5m
Highest 120 Swords in Atlantic Luna: 6.75m
Variation between the two: 35%

Lowest 120 Fencing in Atlantic Luna: 1m
Highest 120 Fencing in Atlantic Luna: 2.5m
Variation between the two: 150%

This idiotic nightmare scenario where one guy buys out every item in the game and corners the whole market isn't even happening in Luna. Right now. On the busiest shard. With search sites in place. Because surprise, there's more than one rich guy in UO and they have to compete with each other if they want to sell whatever they're buying up.

Quit acting like it's a real thing.

You're not taking into consideration the difference between an in-game vendor search and third party script-reliant search we have now...

 

[Skrag]

Re: Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pa

What's the difference? The guy selling the myst scroll for 16m can easily see that someone else is selling one for 11m. The guy selling the fencing scroll for 2.5m can see the other one for 1m. Where's all this frantic buying-out we're supposed to be terrified of?

If there were only one single rich guy in all of UO then maaaaybe this fearmongering scenario would be a concern. As it is, the minute TWO guys start buying things out to resell, they have to compete over a limited number of customers.

 

[UOKaiser]

Re: Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pa

What's the difference? The guy selling the myst scroll for 16m can easily see that someone else is selling one for 11m. The guy selling the fencing scroll for 2.5m can see the other one for 1m. Where's all this frantic buying-out we're supposed to be terrified of?

If there were only one single rich guy in all of UO then maaaaybe this fearmongering scenario would be a concern. As it is, the minute TWO guys start buying things out to resell, they have to compete over a limited number of customers.

16mil is overprice for scroll. If your looking at the same thing am looking at there is 6 scrolls between 16mil and the 3 11mil ones. The current buyout should be done on the 3 11mil ones and the 12.5 one then resell all at 12.6 to undercut the 12.7 one though if buy out the 12.7 one price for the other scrolls can be increased to 12.9. So if the myst scroll is worth that price the market decides it. Im sure 9mil ones can be found outside luna. Those would be better to buy out to bring to 11mil which is probably what happen to get those 3 11mil scrolls there. Search engine will make this process easier. My specialty is not scroll price stabilisation so it's up to the scroll merchant-resellers that specialise in that category. They might be the ones selling at 11 mil as well so they probably already adjusted it from a 6mil going price last I saw to 11 mil going price.

 

[Tjalle]

Re: Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pa

As for items of value and demand. They will be bought up and priced up in a flash.

All prices sampled at the time of this post.

Lowest 120 Magery in Atlantic Luna: 14m
Highest 120 Magery in Atlantic Luna: 16m
Variation between the two: 14%

Lowest 120 Mysticism in Atlantic Luna: 11m
Highest 120 Mysticism in Atlantic Luna: 16m
Variation between the two: 45%

Lowest 120 Swords in Atlantic Luna: 5m
Highest 120 Swords in Atlantic Luna: 6.75m
Variation between the two: 35%

Lowest 120 Fencing in Atlantic Luna: 1m
Highest 120 Fencing in Atlantic Luna: 2.5m
Variation between the two: 150%

If you went out and checked those vendors manually before posting your reply to Raven then it would be relevant. If not...

 

[Skrag]

Re: Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pa

16mil is overprice for scroll. If your looking at the same thing am looking at there is 6 scrolls between 16mil and the 3 11mil ones. The current buyout should be done on the 3 11mil ones and the 12.5 one then resell all at 12.6 to undercut the 12.7 one though if buy out the 12.7 one price for the other scrolls can be increased to 12.9. So if the myst scroll is worth that price the market decides it. Im sure 9mil ones can be found outside luna. Those would be better to buy out to bring to 11mil which is probably what happen to get those 3 11mil scrolls there all cool and shootin' some b-ball outside of the school, til a couple of guys who were up to no good, started makin' trouble in my neighborhood. I got in one little fight and my mom got scared, she said you're moving with your auntie and uncle in Bel-Air.

I see ten scrolls spread across nine different vendors for a wide variety of prices between 11m and 16m. In other words it looks exactly like nine different guys all trying to undercut each other. I don't think three different players all roamed the world for days on end, all found scrolls for 9m outside Luna, and all decided to list them at 11m.

That guy selling scrolls for 9m outside Luna may not even exist. If he does exist, only a market-player like you has time to scour the planet and find him. No normal human being is going to go "I need a mysticism scroll, time to visit every house in Malas!"

The best deal for a normal ordinary player, the type that makes up the majority of UO, is to have a vendor search system. Then if there is a bargain somewhere, at least they have a shot at it too. And if market-players like you want to rig the system, at least you'll have to buy out every vendor in the WORLD to do it and not just a few vendors in Luna.

And this is why Kaiser doesn't like the idea, even if he's trying to hide it behind a layer of "Sure add a search, makes it easier for me to BE YOUR GOD! MUAHAHA!" attitude. It's harder for him to find stuff to overprice and sell in Luna when every little-guy vendor in the world is on equal standing with him.

 

[UOKaiser]

Re: Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pa

I see ten scrolls spread across nine different vendors for a wide variety of prices between 11m and 16m. In other words it looks exactly like nine different guys all trying to undercut each other. I don't think three different players all roamed the world for days on end, all found scrolls for 9m outside Luna, and all decided to list them at 11m.

That guy selling scrolls for 9m outside Luna may not even exist. If he does exist, only a market-player like you has time to scour the planet and find him. No normal human being is going to go "I need a mysticism scroll, time to visit every house in Malas!"

The best deal for a normal ordinary player, the type that makes up the majority of UO, is to have a vendor search system. Then if there is a bargain somewhere, at least they have a shot at it too. And if market-players like you want to rig the system, at least you'll have to buy out every vendor in the WORLD to do it and not just a few vendors in Luna.

And this is why Kaiser doesn't like the idea, even if he's trying to hide it behind a layer of "Sure add a search, makes it easier for me to BE YOUR GOD! MUAHAHA!" attitude. It's harder for him to find stuff to overprice and sell in Luna when every little-guy vendor in the world is on equal standing with him.

I have multiple venders in luna though all the lands selling the same thing at different prices even right next to each other. I compete with myself to help adjust the price of items. Just one of my techniques. Do you really think a vender is going to put up a myst scroll at 1 mil in farthest reaches of space with a vender search system on and not have it bought out by players like me "as you pointed out that we do use our time to search for bargins" before some lonely player that just so happens to need the scroll for themselves get to it before me or my competition or allies do? It's a playstyle that we play and have adapted to. Those players unless they learn from us and adapt like us have no chance against us in market works.

In many shards the world is not large at or barely much players at all those shards are easier for 1 to take control. larger shards need combine guild efforts of resellers Either way any player now at the moment that has anything worth whie to sell is in luna. And if thats managable spreading that worth around won't make any difference. The rest of the players are to busy PVP or PVM or other things in the game to worry about such things. Little guy venders are just that they don't care about this part of the game enough to bother. Like if 1 little guy is going to take control of champ spawns against guilds or the 1 or 2 guilds that control them. Same thing the little guy has to become a big guy to compete.


Like I said either way am good. If they actually pass it i'll put my support behind it If they don't well same old same old. As you implied you play other facets of the game while we play with the markets of the game with our UO time. It's our enjoyment and we know what will happen and we don't mind it a bit. Hell it's my enjoyment in other facets in my life as well from stocks to market street in facebook so you can imagine why I might enjoy it.

Im not discouraging it non of us are. We just telling you how we will adapt to it and how it serves us well. Most of see it as a reason to have one. Wondering around the lands is just one way. But like me others have suppliers that either all they do is get certain scrolls in the game or resources or items and they sell it to us directly while we eat up the cost of venders and place it out there.

 

[Smoot]

Re: Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pa

I don't think scrags ever played the market, in games or irl

 

[Dermott of LS]

Re: Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pa

...

Nice Troll Poll.

Vote tallies say otherwise... or does being in the minority "proove" that it's a "troll poll"?

I don't think scrags ever played the market, in games or irl

I have and the markets are bigger than one person or even one group of people.

UO will survive just fine (and do even better) with an internal search system instead of an external system that benefits a select few.

What the anti-search people don't seem to realize is that the search feature is already here, it's just a matter of making it fair for the whole game and not rely on an external source via legally (gamewise) questionable means.

ALthough it doesn;t surprise me that some people are against it... some apparently needs to be brought kicking and screaming into the present.

It's not 1998 any longer.

 

[Lord Urza]

Re: Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pa

I am washing my hard of this thead haha, I am obviously in the minority here.

I like UO so much because of its emersiveness, Id like to stay away with things that remind you ( They you are playing a game)

I liked that shops were spread threwout the land, and you might get burned, or you might find an awesome deal.

Richard Garriott intended for UO to be allmost like a simulated world where your actions effected the outcome of that world. changes like this take the richard garriott out of ultima online.

 

[Dermott of LS]

Re: Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pa

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What Richard Garriot "intended" UO to be in many ways got flushed down the toilet when either the reality of computing power at the time, or when players actually got into the game and ran roughshod over said intentions.

If UO went the way RG "intended" it to go, UO wouldn't BE HERE right now. It was never "intended" to last 13+ years or host as many people as it has (both at one time and over the course of the game).

In some cases the game went beyond intention (longevity, etc) and others fell short due to the reality of the situation (the original world AI).

Somehow I doubt that he would object to the concept so long as it was done in a manner that made sense within the game world (basically the compromise of better user interface and the "realism" of the world).

Besides... I'm pretty certain, even considering that he was fascinated by the psychological and philosophical unforseen events such as selling items on ebay, that he neither "intended" to have only a small segment of the UO vendor population being served by scripted characters providing information to an external site.

 

[Viquire]

Re: Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pa

You might remember, at one time there was talk of making use of the unused spaces in the towns for vendor placement and customization based on guild participation in the upkeep of the town in question. But that was years ago.

Much as I like the idea for the sake of convenience I think it ruins the draw of the world you are playing in.

 

[Smoot]

Re: Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pa

I am washing my hard of this thead haha, I am obviously in the minority here.

I like UO so much because of its emersiveness, Id like to stay away with things that remind you ( They you are playing a game)

I liked that shops were spread threwout the land, and you might get burned, or you might find an awesome deal.

Richard Garriott intended for UO to be allmost like a simulated world where your actions effected the outcome of that world. changes like this take the richard garriott out of ultima online.[/QUOTE


Great post. This is why i dont like search sites / a global UO search. Yes there are ones now, but that immersion is at least still partly intact. I would just hate to see UO end up like some of the other "auction house" games. I enjoy shopping at actual vendors, actually traveling to them, i sometimes run into people on the way, and mabye even risk my life if a gargoyal jumps a mule with 40 magery.

Search sites are already out there, if someone really wants a luna vendor they can pay for one, you can get one for about 50k a week if your patient (something lacking in this thread) If you want better out of luna sales, you can list your vendor on a site. If you want to find the absolute best price, take more than 5 mins to buy somthing.

From my experience with markets i just dont think people know what they are asking for. You might think UO Kaiser is just full of himself or whatever, but hes not, lots and lots of people do this, (myself included but on a very small scale, but even i have more than one luna vendor so i can price high on one and low on the other, as well as home vendors where i sell lower-end goods for basically nothing) I really just think that prices would even out globally at about what luna is right now, all factors considered. But hey, if thats what people want, then who cares, might as well list the maybe 50000 vendors a shard on a search. Whatever will get people to play the game, whatever it may be, and however it alters the original game concept.

 

[Yalp]

Re: Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pa

UO Vendor search engine needs to be provided, free of charge, or else they need to sanction the ones out there that use illegal 3rd party programs.

 

[Lord Chaos]

Re: Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pa

LOL, who the hell cares?

Even if you up the prices to 16 million AND you spend ALL your time monitoring the market on EVERYTHING you sell, then we'll just buy it and be happy, because at least we can get something quick and easy. I wouldn't care if a 120 Magery scroll cost 16 million.

I have multiple venders in luna though all the lands selling the same thing at different prices even right next to each other. I compete with myself to help adjust the price of items. Just one of my techniques. Do you really think a vender is going to put up a myst scroll at 1 mil in farthest reaches of space with a vender search system on and not have it bought out by players like me "as you pointed out that we do use our time to search for bargins" before some lonely player that just so happens to need the scroll for themselves get to it before me or my competition or allies do? It's a playstyle that we play and have adapted to. Those players unless they learn from us and adapt like us have no chance against us in market works.

In many shards the world is not large at or barely much players at all those shards are easier for 1 to take control. larger shards need combine guild efforts of resellers Either way any player now at the moment that has anything worth whie to sell is in luna. And if thats managable spreading that worth around won't make any difference. The rest of the players are to busy PVP or PVM or other things in the game to worry about such things. Little guy venders are just that they don't care about this part of the game enough to bother. Like if 1 little guy is going to take control of champ spawns against guilds or the 1 or 2 guilds that control them. Same thing the little guy has to become a big guy to compete.


Like I said either way am good. If they actually pass it i'll put my support behind it If they don't well same old same old. As you implied you play other facets of the game while we play with the markets of the game with our UO time. It's our enjoyment and we know what will happen and we don't mind it a bit. Hell it's my enjoyment in other facets in my life as well from stocks to market street in facebook so you can imagine why I might enjoy it.

Im not discouraging it non of us are. We just telling you how we will adapt to it and how it serves us well. Most of see it as a reason to have one. Wondering around the lands is just one way. But like me others have suppliers that either all they do is get certain scrolls in the game or resources or items and they sell it to us directly while we eat up the cost of venders and place it out there.

 

[Smoot]

Re: Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pa

LOL, who the hell cares?

Even if you up the prices to 16 million AND you spend ALL your time monitoring the market on EVERYTHING you sell, then we'll just buy it and be happy, because at least we can get something quick and easy. I wouldn't care if a 120 Magery scroll cost 16 million.

Would you give 7mil to a noob who could only afford 10 for a scroll?

 

[Lord Chaos]

Re: Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pa

I am washing my hard of this thead haha, I am obviously in the minority here.

I like UO so much because of its emersiveness, Id like to stay away with things that remind you ( They you are playing a game)

Then don't use the system and keep searching manually, no one is forcing you.

I liked that shops were spread threwout the land, and you might get burned, or you might find an awesome deal.

Richard Garriott intended for UO to be allmost like a simulated world where your actions effected the outcome of that world. changes like this take the richard garriott out of ultima online.

Richard Garriot is a guy thats had no hand in UO ever since its beginning mostly and has worked on that failed Tabula Rasa. We should be happy to have less RG in the game.

Besides, real worlds have search tools as well, be it word of mouth or internet.

Besides, an ingame system could just be magic. If you can make meteor showers and blackrock explosions, then a magic that searches vendors wouldn't be far fetched at all.

 

[hen]

Re: Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pa

It would be just another step towards taking all the magic out of the game and turning it into a spreadsheet.

 

[Skrag]

Re: Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pa

Great post. This is why i dont like search sites / a global UO search. Yes there are ones now, but that immersion is at least still partly intact. I would just hate to see UO end up like some of the other "auction house" games. I enjoy shopping at actual vendors, actually traveling to them, i sometimes run into people on the way, and mabye even risk my life if a gargoyal jumps a mule with 40 magery.

I'm sorry, all I heard was "Sure being able to buy things is a vital game function, and sure it takes hours of aimless wandering to do in UO. But you know, wandering between vendors for hours or days on end provides me a sort of petty amusement. Screw anyone who doesn't play eight hours a day. I enjoy having 90% of the UO economy owned and operated by a handful of shady gold-selling Luna search websites."

How extraordinarily jaw-droppingly selfish you lot are. Sorry guys, nobody can have effective tools for participating in the economy, a couple of kooks on the forums don't want to lose the "magic" of it taking eight hours to find what you're trying to buy. Everyone else go use a search site. Try to ignore all the ads for duped gold.

 

[RavenWinterHawk]

Re: Would you like to see an Official UO Vendor Search System as part of a Booster Pa

It would be just another step towards taking all the magic out of the game and turning it into a spreadsheet.

Best point.

Lets see stand and buy.
Recall to point.
Drop on vendor.

Hmm. Exciting game.