You keep asking this and I keep giving you the same answer, everyone from fel quit because the game and community aspect that made the one facet game so enjoyable was destroyed by tram, followed by AoS. The only thing left in fel are litte kids that only started playing post tram thinking they are top **** pvpers now cos all the good pvpers quit a long time ago, whom annoy anyone who is left in fel cos they are pre pubescent little ******s. THAT is why fel is a ghost town.
There are some who do this, but like the police in RL, they are badly outnumbered and the PKers can ruin the fun of a lot of people between
the occasions where their fun gets crimped and they have to re-equip to go kill more crafters, foragers, and newbies.
Like you said you played from 2000 onwards so I can kinda forgive this stupid remark but let me explain things to you. In pre tram days blues FAR outnumbered the reds. Sure there were newb reds that could go and get some easy kills if they wanted to, but without fail they would soon be hunted down by a massive gank squad of blues who can all hide in town guards untill they are ready to outnumber and crush the newb reds. And once the gank squads of blues caught wind that reds were about doing this, they would stay on their ass way past the point where they re-equip and go and try and attack a crafter again. Blues had far more dedication to destroying reds than reds did pestering newbs.
It's been said PKers have left UO because of the creation of Tram where people were able to go to escape the PKers. Aw shucks... The poor little PKers had to go somewhere else for their fun at others expense... golly... gee... whillikers... I feel so guilty.... <g> Hopefully the door didn't whack them in the rear on the way out.
Not just the pkers mate, the GOOD pvpers in general. Pvp has never been the same since the introduction of tram, and its not just for the pure pkers sake. blue pvpers no longer have an abundant ammount of GOOD pkers to go and fight, there is still pvp wars around but its a different story to red vs blue pvp. On top of that, for the people who wernt pure murderers there was always a good reason to take a count from time to time, which just cant happen in tram pvp, your out chasing someone and some annoying blue is casing fields and stuff blocking you etc... you can take a count on him and get rid of him... not with tram... invincible thanks to tram law. Just little things iike this all add up to things pushing good pvpers out of the game.
I don't really enjoy modern post AOS UO. To dang item-based.
something we can agree on.
The few in Fel apparently agree with this. The many in Tram apparently don't find this exciting.
see previous point about the "few" in fel
I can believe they quit due to Tram. Nearly all the easy targets moved to Tram where they were safe from the PKers. That alone probably made Fel badly underpopulated and is why EA has put so many game goodies in fel to try amd draw in targets to fel. Sadly for the PKers, most know it's bait and have passed on it, so PKers have left as well. No easy targets to have fun with.
Too be honest I dont know why I keep arguing with you about the "all pkers want is easy targets" point, youve admitted to only playing from 2000 onwards, you cant have a really good idea about what it was like.
I wouldn't be demanding new items. EA giving in to the demands for items is why we got shafted with AOS.
And giving into the demands from people crying about pks is why we got shafted with Tramell. so who are you to complain about being shafted due to complaints about one thing, but then not understand when we complain about being shafted for another?
There was no insurance back then youngster. Things got lost in PvP & PvM both. Crafters had to replace things and had a steady business.
Youngster?
Who the hell are you calling youngster mr self proclaimed player since 2000?
I played Alpha when the graphics looked nothing like even 2d UO, when the majority of the britannian banks didnt even exist, and I'm being called youngster and told about how there was no insurance pre aos by you?
Anyway to your point about things being lost in pvm... You have to be pretty bad to lose anything at all in pvm back then when tram was introduced. It wasnt hard at all to get a res and get your stuff back even IF you died to the low quality mobs there were to pvm back then in tram.
You have kept mentioning farming throughout your post.
What would a classic shard with fel only rules give you to farm? The possesions of those you PKed?
My point is not that you have anything different to farm in a fel setting rather than a tram setting, my points are as follows
a) due to non con pvp theres also a risk of losing things, so items you do get arnt as secure, which makes them rarer/harder to get/more rewarding to have
b) it wont be one stale pvm experience after another because there is a risk of non con pvp breaking out at any time,
c) the pks that are coming to get you create a community spirit, helping other people was a big factor in fel only uo. UO these days on most servers you can go out to dungeons or whatever for days and not see a single person, fel only uo you would come across people everywhere, and you at one point or another needed other people to help you.
tram killed the need for a uo community.