What sense have replica items, Dev´s ?

[Der Rock]

Deco replica are ok, but what sense have armor and waepon replica?
let say you implement 1 replica piece in your suit, with 150 dura, that piece will worn out very fast, and you never ever can replace it in a required timeframe.
and the use of more then one replica in your suit is absurd.

dev´s, make them pofable!,the hype for replicas is gone,more and more people realice that other then deko replicas are worthless,making 1000 champs for a replica you need is absurd.
i would agree a high demand on PoF(let say 10 uses for 1 replica dura) that keeps it expensive.

the status quo atm, pleases the dupers and annoyed the fair players.


.....or,why cant you reward us instead of replica items with replica point deeds?
so everyone can chose wich item they want if they collect enough point deeds.
like : droprate like now, you get a 1 point deed
rare drop rate, you get a 3 point deed
and as a super rare drop you can get a 5 point deed.
and for every 10 point you can change it in the replica you want/need.
that would be a hundred times more playerfriendly then the hoarding of "swamptile replica"

 

[Heimi]

Are you serious? You really think people waste time duping REPLICAS? The whole point is that they wear out, meaning somebody has to go do a champ spawn and get one to replace it. They wanted to rejuvenate the champion spawns and if your suit keeps wearing out it'll have to be replaced..by spawning!

 

[Saunders]

They don't wear out instantly...
You can repair them, and get a reduced durability.

How many points of damage do they take in a day? Maybe 50 if you are abusing them horribly.
That means you would stop wearing them when the durability is what, 75?
So you can go 2 days between repairs for the first 50 repairs, meaning 100 days, then reapir every day for 25 days.
That means you get 125 days of useful wear from a replica, and a half durability one to sell on at the end.
125 days is a good 4 months if you play every day. That leaves you plenty of time for getting or earning gold for the next one.
If you don't wear them out at an insane rate, you have then even longer.

 

[Petra Fyde]

You realise they are repairable? With proper repair these items should last for months, at least as long as our vanquishing and invulnerable items used to last pre-AoS. Plenty of time to either save to buy, or champ to win a replacement.

 

[Der Rock]

Are you serious? You really think people waste time duping REPLICAS? The whole point is that they wear out, meaning somebody has to go do a champ spawn and get one to replace it. They wanted to rejuvenate the champion spawns and if your suit keeps wearing out it'll have to be replaced..by spawning!

I´m serious,but the it seems the devs not.
they made the doom arties almost worthless,but some replica goes for 30-50m.
in my understanding,MOST players dont like to spend theyr playtime at 99,9% only to try to replace(champ hopping/or gold farming) those items.

 

[Saunders]

I´m serious,but the it seems the devs not.
they made the doom arties almost worthless,but some replica goes for 30-50m.
in my understanding,MOST players dont like to spend theyr playtime at 99,9% only to try to replace(champ hopping/or gold farming) those items.

What is your point here?

If replica items go for high prices it is because people will buy them for high prices.
They do that, knowing that they will wear out.

Are you saying that you would like replica items, but you can't afford the time or the gold?

 

[Der Rock]

You realise they are repairable? With proper repair these items should last for months, at least as long as our vanquishing and invulnerable items used to last pre-AoS. Plenty of time to either save to buy, or champ to win a replacement.

petra,it depends on playstyle.
i can tell you that i lost 2 dura in the first 5 min on one of my character that used such an item.
so you are right and wrong,some character have a longer use for replicas but certain templates have a extremly disadvantage.
should we all play the same templates?

 

[Der Rock]

If you don't wear them out at an insane rate, you have then even longer.

yes, and if i let them in the chest,they will be there forever.
have you ever done grizzle boss or the bedlam champ? good luck with replicas there.

 

[Der Rock]

What is your point here?

If replica items go for high prices it is because people will buy them for high prices.
They do that, knowing that they will wear out.

Are you saying that you would like replica items, but you can't afford the time or the gold?

the point is:
1.you CANT replace a certain replica in the required timeframe
2.there are not enough replica to buy(because of point 1.)

 

[RichDC]

yes, and if i let them in the chest,they will be there forever.
have you ever done grizzle boss or the bedlam champ? good luck with replicas there.

Your an idiot if you attempt to do grizzle boss and stand in his acid...you should take 0 damage from armour if you do that right.

I myself have been using a gladiators collar and the intel boots on my swordsman for about a month or 2 now...Done countless spawns lots of PvPing and they both are still above 100durability, i havent needed to repair them once.

If i do something i know is going to damage my armour significantly i switch back to my suit pre-gladiator and keep the boots on(i got about 3or4pairs of these so no biggy there)

To allow them to be POF makes them unlimited and that is a stupid idea. the way things stand now benefits the players and not the bots.

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

If you do not like them, do not use them.

I don't.

I do, however, make good money selling ones I find.

The fact that I can do so completely destroys any point you might have about them not being used. If they weren't being used by someone, folks wouldn't even be able to get 500k to 2m for the Fang of Ractus. But they can.

Therefore, this can mean nothing but that the items are in use. PoF or not.

-Galen's player

 

[RichDC]

.
folks wouldn't even be able to get 500k to 2m for the Fang of Ractus. But they can.

-Galen's player

I cant give my rectal thermometers away (my pet name for them because they a POS)

 

[Bomb Bloke]

If that's how you're advertising them, perhaps you should rethink your marketing strategy...

 

[Der Rock]

If i do something i know is going to damage my armour significantly i switch back to my suit pre-gladiator ....

that what i mean with "...if i let them in the chest,they will be there forever. "

 

[RichDC]

that what i mean with "...if i let them in the chest,they will be there forever. "

Right so whats your point???

I use my gladiators 90%of the time and its in fine condition.

 

[MalagAste]

I wonder if they shouldn't do away with gold.... keep everyone from being so greedy....

Seems to me if the post isn't about nerfing some skill because someone can't fight or got creamed then it's about greed...

I actually find it amusing that some folk are paying ridiculous amounts of money for bling.... especially the shrouds that as you pointed out will break.... I suppose if you have that much gold burning a hole in your bank box then by all means buy buy buy.... as for me I'll be just saving one of each one I get as deco... Where I'll enjoy it for years to come.

 

[TheScoundrelRico]

Your an idiot

fyi, if you are going to call people idiots...you should probably use the proper spelling.

You're...la

 

[Der Rock]

fyi, if you are going to call people idiots...you should probably use the proper spelling.

You're...la

this time i have to agree with you,THIS TIME

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

I still don't get it.

If you want permanent items, just don't use the Replicas.

It's not like they did away with PoF, it just doesn't work on everything.

When Imbuing comes out it won't work on those items either.

-Galen's player

 

[WildWobble]

DerRock :loser:

I so do not see your point! Have you thus far broken you replica?
I have done the bedlam champ spawn and yeah i lost 30 odd durability on my +4 int boots but so what.

The replica's are all easy to dig up or buy if you can't afford them then your a poor man complaining about the rich.

Do 20 fel champ spawns sell the scrolls buy any replica you want.
Do 100 peerless get the cc sell it get what you want. ok so maybe 3 or 4 cc's to get some but still you see my point ya?

Whats you're problem so they break DEAL WITH IT! this is something most players have been begging the devs to put into the game again!!

 

[Tom_Builder]

petra,it depends on playstyle.
i can tell you that i lost 2 dura in the first 5 min on one of my character that used such an item.
so you are right and wrong,some character have a longer use for replicas but certain templates have a extremly disadvantage.
should we all play the same templates?

There are many items you can use, I havent seen one replica that I need to have in order to play. I dont think I am put at a disadvantage at all by not using them. I only will wish all items would break over time. Nothing should be everlasting.

 

[Sevin0oo0]

Normally, items loose a point of durability each time repaired, down to a certain point (around 30 I think), then they don't loose anymore. Is it different with replicas?

 

[onthefifty]

personally, i'd be o.k. if everything... i mean everything wore out.

would make things more challenging. that and your character should have to eat on a regular basis.

 

[Der Rock]

There are many items you can use, I havent seen one replica that I need to have in order to play. I dont think I am put at a disadvantage at all by not using them. I only will wish all items would break over time. Nothing should be everlasting.

Sry,but you miss the question.
the question is NOT,if i or if i not have to use replica.
sure, i have characters they don´t have to use replica,their suit are almost perfect.
the question is,replica are there,so how they are to use effective.
with 150 dura, the more dura they lose, the more often you have to repair them.
the first time a repair is needed around every 2-4 days, but then comes a point you have to repair daily,till to the point you have to repair several times a day.

remember, WHY did leuro changed doom?
he did it, because MANY players complaint that
1.they cant afford the doom items they need
2.they dont get the items they need as a reward in doom

so, this are the same 2 points we have now with replica
it results AGAIN in the 2 groups of players:
- the group with unlimited supply
-the group with NO chance

for example:
so far i got around 20 or so replica rewards, but NOT the replica i need ,aside from 1(the stealth robe 2x)
let say i adjust 1 char.suit around the gladiators gorget,then the timeframe i have to replace it if needed is almost impossible.
(there may be exceptions,such player who say"i got the shoes 4 times,but on the other hand there are player who got 10 times in a row,"only" deco replica)

the demand and supply ratio is not adequate in the long term

 

[RichDC]

I've tried to piece though the incoherrant babble in the last post. Basically what you're saying is that once again you want an increase in drop rates to the point where the items become worthless?

I still dont understand where you're getting you're information about repairing items. I haven't needed to repair any of the replicas i use and i use alot! My tamer uses the royal guard knife and intel boots. Dexxer uses Gladiators and Intel boots, Thief uses Gauntlets of anger and intel boots.

The only chars im not using them on atm is my mage and smith, as soon as i get a sash it will go on my mage.

Through the months of using these items doing spawns i have as i said NEVER needed to repair, if you know an item is going to break you think more about the situation and the best suit for the job. A little thought and preparation and you can make them last well after you get the second and third replacements...providing of course you put the effort in.

 

[WarUltima]

Non-PoFable is fine, however I really think the equipment damage calculation isnt working as intended.

According to a FoF that explained how durability lost is calculated... unless you are getting hit by macing weapons... everytime you get hit for damage you have 20% chance to lose 1 point of durability on 1 of the 9 equipment "slots".

Lets use the common Oak Shroud as an example, according to the FoF and with simple math we can find that for each "hit" your character take there's a .2*(1/9)=.222222 which is 2.22% for your oak shroud to take 1 point of damage. The math says its 2.22% but in reality it's doesnt work that way.

Assuming you have all slots occupied... Have a friend of yours chain casting magic arrow on you 50 times you should lose a total of (50*.2) = 10 points of durability across all your equipments and your shroud should only take about 1 point of damage out of getting hit 50 times...

Personally I think the damage calculation is bugged and for each hit you take its possible it will reduce durability on MULTIPLE pieces of armor (the FoF stated one 1 location should be affected) and I wish DEV can look into the code and see if its really working as intended.

 

[Der Rock]

Non-PoFable is fine, however I really think the equipment damage calculation isnt working as intended.

According to a FoF that explained how durability lost is calculated... unless you are getting hit by macing weapons... everytime you get hit for damage you have 20% chance to lose 1 point of durability on 1 of the 9 equipment "slots".

Lets use the common Oak Shroud as an example, according to the FoF and with simply math we can find that for each "hit" your character take there's a .2*(1/9)=.222222 which is 2.22% for your oak shroud to take 1 point of damage. The math says its 2.22% but in reality it's does work that way.

Assuming you have all slots occupied... Have a friend of yours chain casting magic arrow on you 50 times you should lose a total of (50*.2) = 10 points of durability across all your equipments and your shroud should only take about 1 point of damage out of getting hit 50 times...

Personally I think the damage calculation is bugged and for each hit you take its possible it will reduce durability on MULTIPLE pieces of armor (the FoF stated one 1 location should be affected) and I wish DEV can look into the code and see if its really working as intended.

yes, valid point that is in addition

 

[RichDC]

yes, valid point that is in addition

Actually thats the only point. If its not working correctly that is.

 

[Kensai Tsunami]

long b4 there was such a thing as trammel, i got one of the best weps you could have, a silver hally of power. man it was my pride and joy! i had it for exactly 3 days. i was standing at east brit bank talkin to a couple of buddies after a successful red hunting expedition when i see, "you notice 'so and so' attempting to steal an item from your pack". and then my hally was gone and the thief that took it said "bank" and it was gone for good. and no matter how many times i killed the little screwhead, it didnt get my new prize back.

i am wondering how many mins it would have taken YOU to quit uo after that.

...and this is the same thing.

its a game! go get more stuff! please stop filling the boards with this sort of stuff ok?

goodnight johnboy ...goodnight bobby jo ...goodnight ...

 

[Der Rock]

long b4 there was such a thing as trammel, i got one of the best weps you could have, a silver hally of power. man it was my pride and joy! i had it for exactly 3 days. i was standing at east brit bank talkin to a couple of buddies after a successful red hunting expedition when i see, "you notice 'so and so' attempting to steal an item from your pack". and then my hally was gone and the thief that took it said "bank" and it was gone for good. and no matter how many times i killed the little screwhead, it didnt get my new prize back.

i am wondering how many mins it would have taken YOU to quit uo after that.

...and this is the same thing.

its a game! go get more stuff! please stop filling the boards with this sort of stuff ok?

goodnight johnboy ...goodnight bobby jo ...goodnight ...

yes, and that is 1 point WHY we got trammel.
because the majority of player did not like what you like.
please stop filling the boards with your failing arguments

 

[TheScoundrelRico]

please stop filling the boards with your failing arguments

Kettle meet pot...la