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What now since the gamewide scripters are back?

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Kiminality

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But, UOA checks the datastream/packets for changes.
As I understand it, other programs (that's getting old...) just check the client version.
So, give it a few weeks for them to change the way they look for changes, and you're back to square one, and all the patches in the world won't count for anything, unless they change memory addresses/packet or what have you. But, that would mess up UOA, too.
In the long run, without a more invasive anti-cheat system, you're pretty much stuck with "all or none" when it comes to 3rd party programs.
 
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bikrdotnet

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100% no way around it , no matter what you do , add etc, people will cheat.. people will script.. PunkBuster has been beaten so many times in so many games..

There is no way for EA to stop scripters.. It just isn't possible.. That is why they aren't wasting their time trying to kill off scripting, more so, I think, then they are afraid of losing user base..

I don't think EA really takes userbase into consideration when making changes.. :)
 
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OxAO

Guest
I have a question:

UOAM:
i really hate playing this game without looking at the map and seeing were i am.
Really it bothers me a lot.

My question: Since UOAM is a legal third party program that hasn't been updated can i write a script to replace it as close as I can to the orginal format?

I am serously thinking about doing this, would it be illegal?
 
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popps

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UOKaiser said:
The only change that will happen is that the whole game get shut down. I think that is worst than anything. It's still a buisness and mass banning scripters will cut 40k out of 100k users at previous count. Though am sure subscription is way down and scripting is way up making the number maybe more like 50k subscription, 30k scripters with the the most vocal being on stratics. Going by previous numbers at 10 dollars a pop it would of being a
instant 4.8mil$ a year loss and a uncertain 1mil$ gain from returning players.
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Personally, I think more players would return back to the game once they know that scripting, hacking, duping and cheating has been eradicated from Ultima Online than what might be banned but that's ok, I can even consider the opposite alternative.

That is, that scripting, hacking, duping and cheating in Ultima Online CANNOT be eradicated from the game because it would cost too many subscriptions the game can bear to loose.

Fine. Nonetheless, therefore, "could" this is the decision made, i.e. not do anything because of fear for loss of subscriptions, then the ONLY FAIR THING TO DO, IMHO, would be to officially state that scripting, hacking, duping and cheating in Ultima Online is ok to do and LET ALL PLAYERS freely engage in these activities.

I just find it unjust, wrong and utterly incoherent that only part of the players of this game engage in these activities because of the way things are.

Either NOONE or EVERYONE.

I cannot see any other possibility. Unfortunately, as things are now it is the WORST case with part of the players engaging in these activities thus hurting the rest of the players not using hacks, scripts or other cheats.

That's at least the way I see it.
 
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popps

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bikrdotnet said:
A patch every 2 - 3 days wouldn't fix it.. An app would just need to be created to automatically find the changes in memory addresses.. They haven't made an automated one because there is no need, patches are so few and far between.. Trust me , you'll never stop scripting.. Just get used to it... It's been around since beta, it's staying until they close the doors..
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Alright, then, should that be the case, the way the developers should go is to make scripts available to ALL of the players of the game via the current client.

If there is no way to eradicate scripting, then the game should make scripting available in the same way to ALL of the players of the game, not just some.
 
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Splup

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popps said:
Alright, then, should that be the case, the way the developers should go is to make scripts available to ALL of the players of the game via the current client.

If there is no way to eradicate scripting, then the game should make scripting available in the same way to ALL of the players of the game, not just some.
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The developer or this scripting tool has stated that it's very easily detectable and it's ridiculous to say that EA could not detect it, even without punkbuster. He thinks that EA prolly has marked all accs using it, since it's so easy to detect. But problem is that this means 1/3 of all UO accounts are marked.

So it's only about if EA wants to start banning for it or not.
 
C

CatLord

Guest
Again...

Daily Patching... no need to ban or have board wars about kicking out the wrong people.

Natural Selection.
 
C

CatLord

Guest
OxAO said:
I have a question:

UOAM:
i really hate playing this game without looking at the map and seeing were i am.
Really it bothers me a lot.

My question: Since UOAM is a legal third party program that hasn't been updated can i write a script to replace it as close as I can to the orginal format?

I am serously thinking about doing this, would it be illegal?
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I believe it was answered... with a blunt "yes, it would be illegal".

I miss it too, but I also see one advantage... it is one less tool to help the pure pvpers... so my friend, I stand with the tram and the new pvpers... fighting blindly but fairly.
 
Lucy of Kenton

Lucy of Kenton

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just to throw another scenario into the mix. who is behind mass scripting? i know that some are the guys who against the tos sell uo gold and items for rl cash. now here is something soooo easy to deal with.....call em up to buy gold, they appear, gold is passed, bang they are gone! i know alot of people will moan that its how they get their money and their dealer would never cheat or scam. lol
 
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Old Man of UO

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OxAO said:
I have a question:

UOAM:
i really hate playing this game without looking at the map and seeing were i am.
Really it bothers me a lot.

My question: Since UOAM is a legal third party program that hasn't been updated can i write a script to replace it as close as I can to the orginal format?

I am serously thinking about doing this, would it be illegal?
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Yes, it would be illegal. Another group already tried and Chrissay yelled at them!
 
C

CatLord

Guest
GalenKnighthawke said:
Sadly, this and not overtly supporting the cheaters is really all we can do.
-Galen's player
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Hum.. not really...

We can:
- ban the scripters that are obvious... lj/miners/tamers/heartwood hidden questers... that stay day after day, week after week... doing the same thing.

We had a contest while Treasures of Tokuno was on... winner of the contest got 183 characters removed from gameplay... for unattended macroing.

- dont buy resources from people you dont trust.
- dont buy powerscrolls, etc from people you dont trust.
- dont buy anything... you dont trust.
(creation of a micro-economy among people you know/trust)


- Call a GM before a major pvp battle.

We did it on Catskills... we (15+ players) called a gm and placed candelabra everywhere... those running over the items got the ban stick. Funny enough, they never showed on Catskills to pvp again. :thumbsup:


Imagination and perseverance... !
 
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bikrdotnet

Guest
CatLord said:
Hum.. not really...

We can:
- ban the scripters that are obvious... lj/miners/tamers/heartwood hidden questers... that stay day after day, week after week... doing the same thing.

We had a contest while Treasures of Tokuno was on... winner of the contest got 183 characters removed from gameplay... for unattended macroing.

- dont buy resources from people you dont trust.
- dont buy powerscrolls, etc from people you dont trust.
- dont buy anything... you dont trust.
(creation of a micro-economy among people you know/trust)


- Call a GM before a major pvp battle.

We did it on Catskills... we (15+ players) called a gm and placed candelabra everywhere... those running over the items got the ban stick. Funny enough, they never showed on Catskills to pvp again. :thumbsup:


Imagination and perseverance... !
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Can you explain the candelabra thing? Not sure I comprehend what you mean.. :)
 
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UOKaiser

Guest
OxAO said:
I have a question:

UOAM:
i really hate playing this game without looking at the map and seeing were i am.
Really it bothers me a lot.

My question: Since UOAM is a legal third party program that hasn't been updated can i write a script to replace it as close as I can to the orginal format?

I am serously thinking about doing this, would it be illegal?
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Heh well seemingly nothing will ever be approved ever again and it's very unlikely they have the resources to make a good replacement anytime soon. I say go ahead and do it I won't tell hell I don't even care.
 
C

CatLord

Guest
bikrdotnet said:
Can you explain the candelabra thing? Not sure I comprehend what you mean.. :)
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When you see a player moving over crates and candelabra it means they are cheating... (messed with the software)

It is highly bannable... but many pvpers do it to decrease the lag...

Knowing how it works and knowing they would have it active... all I had to do was set a trap...










Then we used candelabra instead of bagballs... and we cought some cheaters... :heart:
 
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Mook Chessy

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Stratics Veteran
Stratics Legend
Arcus said:
News flash: You play a fantasy based MMORPG - like it or not - you are just like the rest of us - star wars shirt or not. :D
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He is my BF IRl and I can say he is more of a LOTR guy, gave me the set when we where 13 and he had already finished it a few times!
 
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bikrdotnet

Guest
UOKaiser said:
Heh well seemingly nothing will ever be approved ever again and it's very unlikely they have the resources to make a good replacement anytime soon. I say go ahead and do it I won't tell hell I don't even care.
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Resources?? Here's a little poem to get you focused in the right direction.. :)

Ultima online..
Oh How I love thee..
May we play together..
Always through eternity..
Please keep off the fence..
. <--that's a period
Till we meet again
Killings will commence



*Evil Grin*...
 
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Stupid Miner

Guest
Hehe, someone should write a script... a completely functional one, but put in some code so the script reports itself to the GMs :lol:
 
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