What did they do to bags of sending?

[Priam_Sonoma]

As I have stated before I have been gone from game for about 5 years. I just tried to send 4200 Feathers (weight aprox. 400 stones) and I get "Your bag of sending does not have enough charges to send that much weight." What? Did they screw up Bags of Sending?

 

[Blesh]

they got nerfed awhile ago in an effort to discourage scripters :/

 

[Salty Pete]

I tired to use my BoS the other day on a stack of 10k gold and it used every charge I had on the bag.

I thought it was bugged at first and then found this little gem on the UO update notes:


Bag of Sending fixed to handle items' weight ranges properly:

1 - 10 stones cost one charge
11 - 20 costs two, etc.

 

[Priam_Sonoma]

You know this is the second thing that I have seen in game aimed at controlling botters that screws decent players. This game is not impressing me. What else don't I know about?

 

[Salty Pete]

You know this is the second thing that I have seen in game aimed at controlling botters that screws decent players. This game is not impressing me. What else don't I know about?

There are things that definately suck in this version of the game but it's still better than any level treadmill game on the market.

What other game allows me to be play a beggar/mage/fisherman/rogue and still be a viable character?

 

[Priam_Sonoma]

There are things that definately suck in this version of the game but it's still better than any level treadmill game on the market.

What other game allows me to be play a beggar/mage/fisherman/rogue and still be a viable character?

Pete you are kinda in the same boat I am, returning player. But there is so much that has changed. I just don't know if there is enough of the original UO left to keep me here. And then they do stuff like this, not to balance the game, but to punish people playing against the rules. And the side-effect is that legal playing characters get a nerf too. I dunno....

 

[Salty Pete]

Pete you are kinda in the same boat I am, returning player. But there is so much that has changed. I just don't know if there is enough of the original UO left to keep me here. And then they do stuff like this, not to balance the game, but to punish people playing against the rules. And the side-effect is that legal playing characters get a nerf too. I dunno....

Remember 8X8? This is nothing new. The bag of sending always felt kind of gimp to me anyway.

 

[Basara]

Yeah, but they finally got rid of 8x8, too....

 

[Edina Monsoon]

They killed bags of sending for real players, to try and stop cheaters, but as usual, they killed the thing that real players use to stop a few cheaters.

 

[Dor of Sonoma]

Frankly, I'd be happier if they did away with bags of sending altogether.

Those and instanced corpses and EZ looting...

*twitches*

 

[Salty Pete]

Frankly, I'd be happier if they did away with bags of sending altogether.

Those and instanced corpses and EZ looting...

*twitches*

Good point.

Half the fun of dying used to be unloading your corpse before you re-died.

 

[Priam_Sonoma]

They killed bags of sending for real players, to try and stop cheaters, but as usual, they killed the thing that real players use to stop a few cheaters.

QFT

 

[RavenWinterHawk]

You know this is the second thing that I have seen in game aimed at controlling botters that screws decent players. This game is not impressing me. What else don't I know about?

Nah,
Its a good change.

Even decent players were farming away. Sending gold to bank.

I was. Im decent.

Random ore and Random wood. That was a change.

Another one I am in the minority that it was good.

 

[TheScoundrelRico]

Bags of sending should be stealable...they were when they first came out...then *poof*...no more. ...la

 

[Kaj]

I think you are underestimating the amount of people that were abusing BoS to 'farm' gold. It's not just 'a few players'.
It's a shame the honest players got harmed, but it's damage control. The BoS scripting was influencing the economy a lot, which in the end would have harmed more.

 

[Seismic]

I've played since '97 (off and on) and the bag of sending didn't exist for the first few years of the game. I like the game without it, personally.

 

[Lord Drakelord]

I don't even carry a BOS now, if I get an arty I insure it right away, unless its one of the bless items, and when I cannot carry anymore gold, I recall or gate to a bank and then return to hunt more. I can carry about 13k before I have to go, my wife can carry out close to 20k, so we don't miss the BOS.

Those and instanced corpses and EZ looting...

As for ez looting, love it and instant corpses also love it, When fighting a boss monster I want my fair share of the loot, and when I die, I want to get all my stuff back now, not in 10 minutes, like in the old days where you had to stand there and transfer every items back to your pack one at a time, then get dress as well. Sorry Dor, I know you been around forever, long before my 1999 in UO-R, but I happen to like the new way far better then the old. Hated when you were carrying like 20 potions and had to put them all back in your pack, thank god they stack today!!

 

[Olahorand]

The bag of sending nerf is something, which has gone way over the limits to keep them usable for anything.
Cant use if for gold on champs, cant use it for resource harvesting, so what good is it for? And while these have been nerved, also a branch of vendors have been robbed their income.

 

[gunneroforgin]

a couple of well placed packies or blue bugs is almost as good as a bag of sending

 

[RavenWinterHawk]

a couple of well placed packies or blue bugs is almost as good as a bag of sending

Exactly. BOS was never needed.
Its good for that one rare item you want to bank while in fel.
That is if it cant be insured.

BOS was silly to begin with.

How have they candied the game.

BOS (luckily the fixed)
Recall everywhere
Insurance
Insta Dress (though I like it)
Forever decay (though it save me losing stuff)
Repair deeds
LRC (THAT IS 100%), Im fine with 50/50.

Im sure there is more.

The more we get. The more we become addicted to the ease. They more we believe it is UO given right. The more we demand. The less the game becomes.

 

[Prince Caspian]

In essence they took away an item, useful to all players, that was abused by a few cheaters and scripters.

Yet another point (on a long list) to raise to people who seem to think scripting and unattended macroing is a victimless crime.

 

[Tiamat]

My problem with the BoS nerf is that it seems to make extended hunting in certain places rather useless. Ilshenar and Felucca Dungeouns might as well remove gold from monster loot now.

 

[Prince Caspian]

My problem with the BoS nerf is that it seems to make extended hunting in certain places rather useless. Ilshenar and Felucca Dungeouns might as well remove gold from monster loot now.

Well, back in mah day, we didn't have no bags of sending! Having to head back and bank the gold was part of the hunt. A mundane and boring side of it, but a part of it nonetheless.

Naturally, this was back in a time when 5k of gold was considered a good night's work and not everyone had millions in the bank.

But then, it was also a time that you banked it so a PK won't get it.

Different times, different times.

 

[Connor_Graham]

My problem with the BoS nerf is that it seems to make extended hunting in certain places rather useless. Ilshenar and Felucca Dungeouns might as well remove gold from monster loot now.

I beg to differ. Getting gold in and out of Ilsh is very easy to do.

 

[Prince Caspian]

I beg to differ. Getting gold in and out of Ilsh is very easy to do.

Yes, easy. But it is annoying. I regularly farm PEs over in the Elemental Dungeon. When I get capacity gold, recalling to my bank of choice is easy as pie. After dropping the gold, I have to go back to Humility and gallop back about 20 screens to the dungeon entrance and trot back to the middle hub.

All in all, it takes around 2-3 minutes to do it all. Whereas the BoS would let me stash it in a second.

It's a pain, but it's the way it is now. Obviously, the reward makes up for the inconvenience for me, otherwise I wouldn't hunt there any more.

 

[RavenWinterHawk]

Yes, easy. But it is annoying. I regularly farm PEs over in the Elemental Dungeon. When I get capacity gold, recalling to my bank of choice is easy as pie. After dropping the gold, I have to go back to Humility and gallop back about 20 screens to the dungeon entrance and trot back to the middle hub.

All in all, it takes around 2-3 minutes to do it all. Whereas the BoS would let me stash it in a second.

It's a pain, but it's the way it is now. Obviously, the reward makes up for the inconvenience for me, otherwise I wouldn't hunt there any more.

I dont even collect gold now a days. Its too bothersome.
I make my money vending. Easier to resell.

Rewards are good vs gold.
Thats why I hunt.

 

[eolsunder]

Bags of sending nerf did nothing to stop scripters, only gold farmers. Scripters still script. Nerfing BOS did nothing to stop script miners, script cutters, leather gatherers, etc. Those rely on teleportation (recall, journey) not BOS.

The only scripters that used BOS were gold farming scripts. And It only stopped the gold farmer scripters who script in places you can't teleport to, such as fel dungeons, illshenar. Gold farmer scripts still play away in every other place, they only substituted recalling/journeying instead of using their BOS.

BOS nerfed players more than the scripters. All the players who liked to hunt in illshenar, or fel dungeons were nerfed, because while they have to run to get to their locations, every other player who kicks back in trammel, or Fel proper just recalls and journeys about. Like the other poster said, who wants to hunt titans in Illshenar and have to get to bank, and run all the way back to the fighting spot. Or have to run to even further places to hunt. Know that nice keep in Illshenar with some hard monsters? No more parties there i can assure you. Used to be alot of people there, now.. zip. Because killing high end monsters without being able to really gather up the gold is.. well, USELESS! Why hunt high end monsters that can kill you when you can't carry off all the gold. Easier to stick to trammel and just recall and journey back and forth.

Its the same dumb fix as with vendors. Instead of fixing the problem they nerf it. Sorry dummies that doesn't fix anything, it just elminates it. BOS weren't "Fixed" they were nerfed. Everyone knows this. No one carries them anymore. No one does the quests for powder anymore. Solen hives? Who cares. Nerfing BOS didn't fix the problem, which is scripting. You think all those scripters went "Guess ill quit the game now, BOS are nerfed" No, they simply inserted a few lines of code recalling back and forth and continued. All the regular players who liked to hunt in far away places instead got screwed.

 

[RavenWinterHawk]

Bags of sending nerf did nothing to stop scripters, only gold farmers. Scripters still script. Nerfing BOS did nothing to stop script miners, script cutters, leather gatherers, etc. Those rely on teleportation (recall, journey) not BOS.

The only scripters that used BOS were gold farming scripts. And It only stopped the gold farmer scripters who script in places you can't teleport to, such as fel dungeons, illshenar. Gold farmer scripts still play away in every other place, they only substituted recalling/journeying instead of using their BOS.

BOS nerfed players more than the scripters. All the players who liked to hunt in illshenar, or fel dungeons were nerfed, because while they have to run to get to their locations, every other player who kicks back in trammel, or Fel proper just recalls and journeys about. Like the other poster said, who wants to hunt titans in Illshenar and have to get to bank, and run all the way back to the fighting spot. Or have to run to even further places to hunt. Know that nice keep in Illshenar with some hard monsters? No more parties there i can assure you. Used to be alot of people there, now.. zip. Because killing high end monsters without being able to really gather up the gold is.. well, USELESS! Why hunt high end monsters that can kill you when you can't carry off all the gold. Easier to stick to trammel and just recall and journey back and forth.

Its the same dumb fix as with vendors. Instead of fixing the problem they nerf it. Sorry dummies that doesn't fix anything, it just elminates it. BOS weren't "Fixed" they were nerfed. Everyone knows this. No one carries them anymore. No one does the quests for powder anymore. Solen hives? Who cares. Nerfing BOS didn't fix the problem, which is scripting. You think all those scripters went "Guess ill quit the game now, BOS are nerfed" No, they simply inserted a few lines of code recalling back and forth and continued. All the regular players who liked to hunt in far away places instead got screwed.

No they were fixed.
A farmer by hand
Or a A farmer by script

Still got use of BOS equally.

Its stops scripter farmers and people farmers. Equally.

For gold. Not BOD scripters. Not seller scripters. Gold Scripts.

BOS allowed you to stand there with 10 BOS's and send millions to the bank.

That is ridiculous.
Now its there for that elite item.
Which is good.

 

[Priam_Sonoma]

The problem is more how they changed it. I can see saying 400 stones a charge of something. But 10? That's a little more than a long sword. I can carry 4200 Feathers. Last night I went to send those to the bank with 26 charges on a BoS and couldn't. I understand needing to address players that are cheating in the game, but not at the cost of harming legitimate players.

The whole argument that "I never had BoS when the game started" is moot. They were introduced and gladly accepted. My account opened in October of 1997 and ran until 2003. I played long before they came. They were a welcome addition.

My problem right now goes beyond the BoS. Examples?

- The placing delay on a house fall. It used to be first to place got it. Now it is a random timer from 30 minutes for 4 hours. That is too long and doesn't fix the scripting problem at all.

- IDOC owned by OSI. There is a house I was watching on my server. For two weeks I watched it go IDOC, then like new. I happened to read a bulletin board at the house, and people have been talking for over a year on how it will fall. A year.

- BoS we just covered.

- The randomization of resource gathering. Now reward is not tied to discovery, simply chance.

- The reduction in GM assistance. It was terrible before, now it is simply non-existent.

These are changes that I am talking about. Either I accept them, or I find another game. And that is the dilemma now. BoS is just one more thing to add to the decision.

 

[envinyatar]

Yeah, but they finally got rid of 8x8, too....

But there's still places on land where you can walk back and forth and gain skills like you could with 8x8...