What Client to Use?

[Dermott of LS]

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The pixelation is what happens when you try and scale out-dated unscalable 2d artwork. That I blame solely on trying to appease the unappeasable. They should NEVER have compromised in that fashion.

And they both "look like UO", they both "play like UO" because they are both... well... UO.

 

[Morgana LeFay (PoV)]

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The pixelation is what happens when you try and scale out-dated unscalable 2d artwork. That I blame solely on trying to appease the unappeasable. They should NEVER have compromised in that fashion.

And they both "look like UO", they both "play like UO" because they are both... well... UO.

I disagree...

If a new client was going to be created, it should have kept the look and feel of the game.

This has been debated over and over again, but here are some examples of what I am talking about:

I agree completely with Spahireena here when she said

Saphireena had suddenly converted into a big bosomed mama who likes to go around showing off a hulk stance to anyone she meets. She'd also lost the girlish soft cheeks and confident spunky expression, and instead looked like she wasn't quite sure what the date or time was. Her petite top which used to show off her girlish arms, had suddenly sprouted long sleeves and the skin of her feet had tanned to a dark brown.

The client was not the only thing which had been "enhanced" when she went through a makeover again , gaining a corset which shoved her boobies up so high that she had troubles breathing. Any signs of innocence and purity were long gone, for now her signature expression promised very naughty things to anyone who happened to look her way. You can almost hear her thinking "Hey baby... wanna a tour of my castle?" Not that a gentleman caller would get very far, seeing how tight her skirt had suddenly become. Her shirt had a new modern polo style to it - none of that old Renaissance crap anymore. Also, her necklace had miraculously morphed into a string of very rigid, deformed pearls which seemed to gravitate towards her left breast. And long gone were her silvery little locks which used to jut out from under her fluffy cap in such an endearing, girlish way.

This thread was probably the best idea for a new client I have seen...

http://vboards.stratics.com/showthread.php?t=161793

THIS is what a dragon is supposed to look like...

...not this...

It's not a lack of desire to change or adapt, its a lack of desire to change or adapt to something that looks like a wart on the butt of a mule.

 

[Zayin666]

Go with the Enhanced Client!

Especially if you have a big screen.... I have a giggle each time I launch the old client on my 27" 2560*1440... the game window is stamp sized window and there is so much unused black space

Also I like:

- Grid view bags
- Zoomable and resizeable playarea
- Build in map with party members showing
- Hotbars
- Easy macros
- Cool graphics and effects
- New targeting system

Basicly.... everything

Go for it

 

[Aran]

The black space is the best part, frankly

 

[Hildebrand]

After looking at Morgana's pics, you really can't argue with her point. The KR graphics designer really deviated from the UO path.

 

[Skylocke]

Just tossing out my two cents:

Enhanced Client all the way! I played this game since around '97, so had gotten very used to the 2d client. I took a break for a few years and came back recentlly with SA and tried the new client. I loooved it!

The EC has a -much- better and user-friendly interface, mapping system, and everything else interface related (especially grid/list view bags).

Some people complain about it not being UOA compatible... Well, that's because it can pretty much do everything UOA can do if you learn how to set up the macros, and then some.

Graphically it looks so much better than classic, especially if you are running a larger screen/resolution than the computers of yore. 2d is in a tiny box which you can't alter, but the EC game window you can resize any which way you want. Also, the animations, movement, screen scrolling, magical affects, landscapes, etc all look a hell of a lot better in EC than 2d in my opinion (and I loved the 2d client when I played for many years!)

The downside for me is the paper doll. I hate the looks of some of the paper dolls. Some are alright, but mostly they just look like plastic mannequins.

Also, Gargoyles look awesome in EC. Not so much in 2d. Just something to think about.

 

[Aran]

I absolutely HATE grid/list view.

 

[Dermott of LS]

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The only problem with Morgana's use of Saphireena's images is that is not was has been used for the EC client right now. The graphics used for the items, buildings, and plants in EC are DIRECTLY from the 2d client, unaltered which means that they DO NOT SCALE very well giving the pixellated outcome that Morgana herself complains about.

 

[lucitus]

It also depends on your monitor if you have a widescreen tft one, it makes more snese to use the enhanced client, you can use the full resolution then.

But you can install both and test what you like better.

 

[Morgana LeFay (PoV)]

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The only problem with Morgana's use of Saphireena's images is that is not was has been used for the EC client right now. The graphics used for the items, buildings, and plants in EC are DIRECTLY from the 2d client, unaltered which means that they DO NOT SCALE very well giving the pixellated outcome that Morgana herself complains about.

Well, that's about half right...

...my #1 issue with the EC is that they took all the GOOD parts of KR (trees, background items, etc.) and flushed those...replacing them with awful, blurry, versions of the 2d art...and the KEPT all the stuff that looked horrible (horses, beetles, dragons, player models, etc. etc.).

Had they done the OPPOSITE and kept the player models, wearables, creatures and pets from 2d, and combined them with all the "world" art from KR, they would have had a winner.

Leave it to EA to lay another brick.

 

[Lord Chaos]

Welcome to the classic client trolls. They've played the classic client for years, and they are very comfortable with it, and any change is a huge adjustment. But they clearly haven't given the client the several weeks it would take to even start becoming comfortable with an entirely new client. So they spend their time bashing it instead.

Its freaking ugly and murky.

 

[Lord Chaos]

It also depends on your monitor if you have a widescreen tft one, it makes more snese to use the enhanced client, you can use the full resolution then.

But you can install both and test what you like better.

I have a full HD widescreen and 2D looks fine on it.

 

[hawkeye_pike]

I absolutely HATE grid/list view.

At first, I didn't like it either. But now I know that it is so much easier to organize containers and find items with grid view. No mor shifting around of items in a monster corpse. No more nested bags to sort items. No more big items covering small ones.

 

[Zayin666]

At first, I didn't like it either. But now I know that it is so much easier to organize containers and find items with grid view. No mor shifting around of items in a monster corpse. No more nested bags to sort items. No more big items covering small ones.

This alone would make me convert to EC if I wasnt using it already
I think I mentioned some of the other obvious advantages further up in this thread

 

[Lord Chaos]

Which are fairly useless when the client itself looks ugly and murky.

 

[Hildebrand]

...my #1 issue with the EC is that they took all the GOOD parts of KR (trees, background items, etc.) and flushed those...replacing them with awful, blurry, versions of the 2d art...and the KEPT all the stuff that looked horrible (horses, beetles, dragons, player models, etc. etc.).

Had they done the OPPOSITE and kept the player models, wearables, creatures and pets from 2d, and combined them with all the "world" art from KR, they would have had a winner.

Leave it to EA to lay another brick.

Great point! Curious how it would've turned out if they did what you suggest. Just imagine the man hours and money they spent on this project ... twice.. in KR and now SA. The UI is getting better and better at least, and that's my biggest reason for using it.

 

[Hildebrand]

Which are fairly useless when the client itself looks ugly and murky.

We don't really play UO for the graphics, do we? But I see your point.. how can you enjoy a game when you can barely distinguish which monster you're clicking on.

 

[Schuyler Bain]

Well, that's about half right...

...my #1 issue with the EC is that they took all the GOOD parts of KR (trees, background items, etc.) and flushed those...replacing them with awful, blurry, versions of the 2d art...and the KEPT all the stuff that looked horrible (horses, beetles, dragons, player models, etc. etc.).

Had they done the OPPOSITE and kept the player models, wearables, creatures and pets from 2d, and combined them with all the "world" art from KR, they would have had a winner.

Leave it to EA to lay another brick.

I have to agree on this one as well. This would go a long way in getting me to consider the switch for good.

 

[Lord Chaos]

We don't really play UO for the graphics, do we? But I see your point.. how can you enjoy a game when you can barely distinguish which monster you're clicking on.

I actually like the graphics of UO.

 

[Llewen]

Well, that's about half right...

...my #1 issue with the EC is that they took all the GOOD parts of KR (trees, background items, etc.) and flushed those...replacing them with awful, blurry, versions of the 2d art...and the KEPT all the stuff that looked horrible (horses, beetles, dragons, player models, etc. etc.).

Had they done the OPPOSITE and kept the player models, wearables, creatures and pets from 2d, and combined them with all the "world" art from KR, they would have had a winner.

Leave it to EA to lay another brick.

OUTSTANDING!! Could not have said it better.

No matter what they do they aren't going to make a lot of people happy. That's the real lesson to be learnt here. With KR they started with the artwork, and built the functionality around that, but with the enhanced client, they started with functionality, and then added the artwork.

I agree, some of the models are ugly, like the much maligned dragon, but some of them really are terrific. Someone mentioned the nightmares, I think they look terrific in the EC. They have glowing red eyes and they really do look good. My only quibble is I would like to see some differentiation between the different types of nightmares, as there is with the classic client, but in the end that isn't a game breaker for me.

What was a game breaker for me, with both the original 3D client, and the KR client, was that you couldn't arrange items in a container and have them look roughly the same in the classic client. That made it impossible to set up a vendor in either of those two clients. With the enhanced client, if you use the legacy container mode, the container contents will look roughly the same in the classic client, so you can do things like set up vendors in the enhanced client.

There are so many advantages to the enhanced client, and I am not going to go into all of them again, they've been listed many times in other threads, and there are very few disadvantages, and there is a big patch in the pipe which should fix some of the biggest problems I have right now (notably lag which appears to be due to a memory leak or leaks).

Having said that it will take a long time to adjust if you are used to the old client. It took me at least two months to start to get really comfortable with the new client. You can set it up to function basically the same as the classic client, but there are enough differences, and enough of a difference in "feel" that it still is a jarring change, and of course the process of creating macros is very different.

 

[Mapper]

The black space is the best part, frankly

And if you like the black space you can have as little or as much as you want with the EC client, Atleast its an option, With 2d on a huge resolution your forced to being 2 inches from the screen to see anything.

 

[Aroma]

As most have stated "try both then pick the one you like best", And then dun go bashing one or the other. Sheesh there both good your still playin UO right?

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